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October 18, 2014 at 12:29 pm #66424SParticipant
Hey everyone.
I’ve been suffering from pretty severe anxiety and depression for a while. This has led to me becoming agoraphobic, and I haven’t been able to leave the house without my safe person (my spouse) in a quite some time, and sometimes I’ll go weeks where I can’t manage to go outside at all.
I’m a treatment program for depression and anxiety right now, and I”m learning all kinds of skills and techniques to help cope with and eventually get to manageable point with my anxiety and depression. Such things include good nutrition and exercise, breathing exercises, meditation, improving self-esteem and much more.
There’s something that’s really troubling me that I can’t seem to get over though, which is basically like negative thoughts and beliefs. I have certain negative beliefs that I just can’t let go, no matter how much I try to argue with myself, my brain feels 100% sure it’s correct in it’s beliefs. These beliefs are very problematic because they feed my anxiety and depression and I feel they are the biggest obstacle in my recovery right now.
The main source of my anxiety and depression is other people. I have a very intense fear of other humans, outside my immediate family and spouse. This fear, I feel, is rooted in a belief I have that most people are “bad”; and by bad I mean harmful to myself and others. I feel like people are either needlessly mean and cruel to others, and/or bigoted, prejudice and ignorant.(Worthwhile mentioning, that I am from a multicultural and multi-faith family, and I take prejudice VERY personally). Aside from my fear of them, this belief has also caused a lot of depression over how terrible I feel humanity is.
One of the reasons I find it hard to challenge my belief is that my parents have a similar belief to mine (they’ve often said things like “most people have no conscious” or “most people only care about their own”), so it feels to me like a very normal belief to have. Another reason is that I feel like in my life experience this belief has been proven true, and that almost everyone I’ve met has been cruel, bigoted, or both (this admittedly may be my own negativity and pessimism coloring my point of view).
I’m at a loss of what to do. To me, this belief seems to be irrevocably true. But I don’t want it to be, I don’t the world to be like that, I don’t want to be afraid and miserable all time. If anyone has any advice or anything, I’d love to hear it.
Thanks to anyone who read this.- This topic was modified 10 years, 2 months ago by S. Reason: clicked enter by accident
October 18, 2014 at 3:19 pm #66429billParticipantYou are lucky because you are about to discover that there are truly good people.
Seek out people who seek to make the world better in one way or another – humanitarians or others. Join a meetup group. You will find that we are able to choose our level of goodness to some extent.
Unfortunately, humans have a pretty bad track record of treatment of each other and we are now ruining the planet too. But don’t despair. Join together with the “good guys” (and gals). They may not be perfect. Alternatively, seek out a non-fanatical religious group. As a rule, some of these groups strive to overcome our fallen state. Join the good fight.
And if I am wrong, what have you lost that you don’t already feel you have lost. Or you could join the Bonobos. They are our closest relatives and they seem to have created an ideal society.
October 18, 2014 at 9:45 pm #66438TirParticipantS, I know it took real courage to write your post. Seeking faith in humanity can only be accomplished by interacting with people. I have also been discriminated against and have felt deep sadness and anger before, yet as I grow and become more aware of the good that surrounds us, I find that we are interconnected more than I ever thought possible. Sometimes I meditate on compassion because it helps me to see something more in others. I also only participate in reading, speaking and interacting with positive, healthy people. I have learned how to spot red flags and therefore release toxic people. Most of us are just like you, wanting to be treated with kindness and wanting a calm and peaceful life.
October 20, 2014 at 5:46 am #66514SParticipantThank you Tir and bill for your kind responses.
I hope I do find some truly good people.
About joining ‘groups’. I’m a pretty uncomfortable with groups at present. Also, I’ve have had some bad experiences with ideological groups in particular. You see, when I was a younger, I used to think that world was divided into two groups, good and bad, and there was this battle between good and evil going on. I thought that everyone on my side, with my ideologies were good, and everyone against those were bad. When grew up a little, and actually started getting involved in groups like that, I discovered I couldn’t have been more wrong. The people on one side were no different from the people I condemned on the other side; they were just as hateful, prejudice, mean and ignorant as their “enemies”. A perfect mirror image of one another. I learned that there are no ‘good guys’ or ‘bad guys’ in this world, they’re all quite the same really. After that I stayed away from these people, not just because I was disappointed, but because those groups were one of the most toxic, hostile, horrible environments I’d ever been in and they had a terrible effect on my psyche (I guess they still do in a way).
Also I do love animals. Joining the Bonobos isn’t far off from what I’d like to do; which is to move about out to the boonies and just stay in the forest.
Thanks for understanding how difficult it was for me to do this. I am trying to put myself out there, if very cautiously. I’m trying to limit my interaction with positive healthy people too (and naturally avoid toxic people). I feel like in the past toxic people have just ‘come out of nowhere’ and I never know when someone is going to turn out to be toxic or not so I just avoid meeting new people all together (better to be safe than sorry, I say). I know that toxic people have a bad effect on others in general, but I’m also overly sensitive and emotional so I feel it has an extreme effect on me. If there are red flags to toxic people though, maybe I can learn to spot them and thus avoid them.
October 20, 2014 at 9:09 pm #66539MattParticipantS,
I’m sorry for your suffering, and can understand how difficult it can be when we get stuck seeing lots of bad. Between your parents, the radical groups, ignorance, division… no wonder you’re left with some anxious feelings and visions! The good news is there is lots of good in the world, and in people, including you. To me, it seems like there is a lack of acceptance in your life, both offered to you from others, and offered from you onto others. A few things came to heart as I read your words.
Consider that people are neither good nor bad, we’re a mix. Like you, we get anxious and nervous, which push all sorts of unskillful behavior. Judging others, lusting, envy, greed, on and on we inflict harm on ourselves and others. Most of the time, we don’t even know we do it, or do so defensively, protecting something inside us. Its like how perhaps your fear of people pushes you to perhaps quickly judge them, protecting your sensitive heart from taking in their muck. Closing off in this way does help a little, but has lots of consequences.
Instead, consider an alternate view. Underneath whatever icky bits you notice first, there is a beautiful being just trying to find happiness, same as you. And, their quest for happiness often leads them to do odd things, which your empathy picks up on quite directly, like a sense of “error!” or “ouch!”.
Instead of grabbing onto the sludge, you can rest with it, let it pass through, and not let it interrupt your own light. For instance, if you see someone judging your culture, instead of “yep, there humanity is, doing human things, those bastards.” consider “yes, there is another sibling wandering around, looking for happiness”. Then, it passes right through, doesn’t suck you in, you can get back to your day.
Sometimes, when I go into a house that burns incense, for awhile afterward, my coat smells like incense. With hate groups, its the same. For awhile after shucking that nonsense (and well done! You are strong of heart, friend!) sometimes our senses have hategroupie tinting. Focusing on forgiveness, seeing that people are lovable as is, each a mix of wise spirit and bumbling fool, and kindness to self and others, all could help you breathe out the past, clear the lenses.
Finally, consider starting a metta practice. Metta is the feeling of warm friendliness, like a hug with a trusted loved one. If we practice metta, we gain a sense of freedom and space, allowing us to meet new experiences with more control, less fear. Much like water pouring into a closed container produces anxiety, a sense of drowning, so can experiences produce anxiety without enough space. Consider “Sharon Salzberg guided metta meditation” on YouTube, if interested. Twice a day for even a few weeks may help a lot with your struggles.
Namaste, dear friend, try to remember that we do the best we can, and the road to inner peace is paved by endless forgiving.
With warmth,
MattOctober 21, 2014 at 6:08 am #66555bootseParticipantHi,
I am responding because I am feeling the same way about the state of the world. It sucks and I really do not know if I will ever feel differently.
What I do know though is that not all people are bad or unconscious. There are a lot of good people in this world and I am always inspired by them.
You said that you do not like going outside of the house. Is there any where else you could go where you would feel happy. I don’t even think you would have to go by yourself. The point is to open yourself to the possibility of encountering goodness. I know this is old fashioned but I like to go to church because I believe I am surrounded by other people who want this world to be a better place but I am not saying this is the only place you could feel this way.
Another place I like is any where near water or fields.
This time of year is so beautiful. Take a drive through a park with your spouse and notice the families and children playing and the bikers biking, the runners running; getting healthy for themselves. Feeling good about yourself begins with you and the love you have for others, even in the most simplest way.
God bless you on your journey
October 24, 2014 at 3:43 am #66730WillParticipantThanks for your post, S (and I hope that **** hasn’t really chased you off, Tiny Buddha is generally a good and kind community). I feel like my faith in humanity has taken a bit of a hit recently, and I recognise some of the things you talk about.
What helps me at times like these is the thought that, basically, we are bonobos. We’re upstart monkeys, nearly paralysed by the fear and rage we’ve inherited from our evolutionary history of scarecity, tribal warfare and brutal oppression. It’s no surprise we’re bad at this stuff. We’ve never been better. In fact, we used to be considerably worse, even as little as 20 years ago.
So if you look around at the kindness and compassion and justice we do achieve, sometimes, I think you can take some heart. I think the long arm of history is still pointing to justice. And yes, it’s been a long time. It may take the rest of our collective existence to get there. But when you say “it is taking too long” or “we should be better than this”, you are trying to force history into your personal timeframe, and no good can come of that.
We are stupid monkeys, scared of the world, scared of each other, scared of the future. Many of us cover that fear in anger. We cling desperately to ideas and notions that give us some sense of certainty, and we don’t see or don’t care how they are bigoted and harmful to others. We suck. But we are trying, each of us in our own way and on our own level, to live right and do right.
I think it’s a big help when you can find others who are somewhere roughly on your level, so you can help each other find the way. I hope you can find those people. I hope you can find the courage, more and more, to meet people and look for the good in them, so you can encourage it. All my best wishes.
October 30, 2014 at 2:43 am #67022SammyParticipantI always think that, I always try to treat people how I myself would like to be treated. If someone falls over in public I always look away so they don’t feel too embarrassed by everyone staring at them, I always knock somebodies door before I walk in in case they’re busy, and I always give presents with the expectation of them enjoying them and not with the intention to recieve.
Just some small examples of human selflessness. Maybe if you began to think that everyone treats others how they want to be treated?
I will tell you with anxiety – which I suffer from myself. When I get an anxious thought (which tend to be rooted around other people as well) I think “hello anxiety”. Simply that. I recognise that anxiety is there, I say hello to it. I acknowledge it. Because just because you’re having an anxious thought, it doesn’t mean that that thought rings true. When you acknowledge it, you’re realising that it’s there in your head, but that it is not reflective of your true self.
Short but sweet, I hope that helped! Best of luck.
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