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  • #170299
    Mary899
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    So today was my first day of college, and honestly I didn’t do as well as I had previously planned. As soon as I entered the room I constantly had to remind myself to take deeper breaths…it did little to minimize the anxiety though. In every single corner of the room there was a face that I used to have a good relationship with, relationships that are now broken by a narcissistic ex-friend. I couldn’t concentrate properly on what the professor was saying…every single time each one of then said something I found myself to be extremely triggered. As I was leaving the classame I crossed paths with the narcissistic ex friend…she said hi, I said hi back. Then I rushed down stairs. I’d been working a whole lot on me to avoid appearing nervous, weak or fearful…I’m afraid I did not quite suceeed. I honestly don’t know what to do. I’m mostly afraid that this may have a negative impact on my studies.

    Will this get better over time? What can I do to reduce my anxiety? How can I prevent this from having a negative impact on my studies?

    #170313
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Mary:

    I am glad you posted again. The key with anxiety is once you feel it as you have on this first day in college, is to not panic, to not have the fear escalate. As you start the second day of college tomorrow, expect to feel anxious/ distressed. Do not be surprised, expect and accept it. Then endure it, contain it, let it be just that which it is.

    Certain thoughts, for an anxious person, maintain the anxiety. Other thoughts calm the anxiety. Thoughts that maintain and escalate the anxiety are such as: I failed at being calm. I should be calm. What is wrong with me? Why can’t I be calm? I thought I made progress, I thought I figured this (anxiety) out, but I guess I didn’t. Is this never going to end? I can’t live like this!

    Other thoughts calm anxiety. These would be: I didn’t fail at being calm, it is just that it takes a whole lot of time and a whole lot of work. This anxiety I am feeling is the time to do the work I need to do, to focus on my behavior and show to myself that I can behave reasonably when anxious, that I am in control of my behavior no matter how I feel. There is no such thing as perfect behavior/ performance, no one performs perfectly.

    Detect the thoughts belonging to the first group and switch to thoughts belonging to the second group. I hope you post again.

    anita

    #170703
    Mary899
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    Thank you for your advice. The second day went on much better, especially when a couple of friends told me regardless of what’s been going around, they are going to have my back no matter what.

    I was surprised when the ex-narcissistic friend acted friendly towards me at the end of the first day. I tried to show that although there were no hard feelings, I was no longer interested in being in her circle of friends.

    There remains one problem though. Remember the girl that I said I did not feel comfortable around from day one, but somehow forced myself to stay in a friendship with her? The one who was turned against me by the other friend? It’s just that I feel extremely uncomfortable around her. I remember back in the days I was always the first one to say hi, always the first one to ask her how she was doing. I can no longer bring myself to do that. As a result, we no longer talk, and I find this to be extremely awkward since I have never had the experience of “ignoring”  a previous friend. I know that she doesn’t care that much. She is happy as ever, and seems to be enjoying spending time with her new social circle. It’s somehow amusing to see that people who used to brutally complain and gossip about one another in my presence have now formed their own circle. I don’t believe such a friendship has got much depth to it, and therefore I’m glad that I’m no longer a part of it.

    Still, thinking about that doesn’t help me with the sense of awkwardness. A part of me is glad that I’m finally free from her, that I no longer have to put up with the jokes that she made at my expense, or hear her criticising and making fun of my goals, dreams and interests. Another part of me, however, blames me for caring too much, especially when it is obvious that she doesn’t. I know that, if the situation were reversed, if I was being told that someone has been talking behind my back, the first thing I would do was to question the motive of the person who had brought me this piece of news. Are they trying to make themselves look good by destroying sb else’s reputation? Is it that they get a thrill out of turning people against each other? In either case, the intention behind such an act is highly questionable. The second thing I would do is to evaluate my own behavior. Had I done sth that caused a friend of mine to be upset? If so, I would have reached out to the friend, trying to solve the matter as calmly as possible as I valued their friendship above any sort of resentment or conflict.

    I know I can’t blame her for doing none of this….I can’t force people to “care” about sth as much as I do. However, I find it easy to blame myself for taking her and her friendship too seriously, and as I said, I feel a sense of great discomfort around her. The thing is, I’ve decided not to put other people’s needs and feelings above my own. However, now that I no longer do it, I’m still stressed out. It appears to be lose-lose situation.

    Mary

     

    #170751
    Anonymous
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    Dear Mary:

    When you do what is right for you, when you behave the way you believe is correct, you are “still stressed out”. You wrote it is a “lose-lose situation”- when you do what is wrong for you, you feel distressed; when you do what is right for you, you feel distressed.

    Thing is this is how healing takes place, a person engaged in the healing process does experience distress either way. If doing what is right for you felt good then you would have done that a long time ago!

    The key to healing is to keep doing what you thoughtfully figure is the right thing for you to do regardless of the distress involved. Acting differently than before does feel awkward. It shouldn’t be a surprise, if you understand the nature of healing. Instead, you expect it.

    As you keep choosing your actions so to benefit you, choosing the action that fit with what is right for you, over time, it will feel better, but not now and not any time soon. This is why persistence through distress is so important.

    anita

    #171787
    Mary899
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    I tried my best to do as you said, to not to be too hard on myself. However, right at the time when I thought I was making some progress, I lost another friend. Simply put, she said she was making sacrifices (e.g turning down narcissist’s request to join her on a group project) so that I wouldn’t be left alone. Now that I didn’t seem to appreciate her enough for this, she was out. I didn’t mean to under appreciate her. Besides, I didn’t have a clue she was doing this so that I wouldn’t be left alone. I told her these…she said ok. I guess I have lost her friendship as well.

    Now I feel like a total wreck. My heart aches terribly as I feel unworthy and sinful. When will all these things come to an end? What can I do to remove the pain?

     

    Mary

     

    #171879
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Mary:

    In my last post to you I wrote: “As you keep choosing your actions so to benefit you, choosing the action that fit with what is right for you, over time, it will feel better”-

    Regarding choosing the actions that will benefit you, what you say to people is an action. I am wondering about this friend you mentioned in your last post: what did you tell her about the friend you refer to as a narcissist?

    anita

    #172039
    Mary899
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    The girl that I am talking about is a mutual friend of mine and my narcissistic friend. She is aware of all that has gone between us, she tried to act as a peacemaker, failed ( I believe her attempts actually resulted in worsening the matter to an extent) and then said she’s not gonna pick a side as that would come off as an immature act. She has had her own fights with the narcissist in the past…I get this impression that despite being critical of her behavior in her absence, she’s somehow afraid of her and wants to gain her approval so badly…sometimes what she said about her in her absence did not match the level friendliness that she showed in her presence.

    So, after she said she’d turned down the narc’s request for joining her in a group project, I honestly didn’t think she was, to quote her own later words, “doing this so that you (Mary) wouldn’t be left on your own.” I simply thought she was doing this because she thought I had proven to be a student with a greater sense of responsibility.
    A bit later after saying she’d like to group up with me she said she didn’t know how the narc was going to react to the turning down of her request. She said “I told her I may go to the professor and ask her to do my project single-handedly.” So, I thought she’s somehow afraid of the narc finding out that she wants to be in my group as we were not on good terms, and that maybe she wasn’t that serious about this suggestion after all. On the day on which we were to announce our group members she was sitting next to the narc, and didn’t even look at me once as we were to choose our team members. Someone else asked me to group up with her…I said OK. This girl announced the potential members of the group to the prof. After that I told her I guess the friend may want to be with me, but I have to check  first. I did so after the class, telling her although I’d be happy if she were in my group, I understood if she felt uncomfortable about how the narc may react if she realized she wanted to group up with me at the expense of turning down the narc’s request. She said she didn’t understand what I was saying, that she had turned down her request because of me, and that was the way I had chosen to than her. I explained that I didn’t know she was doing this for me, and that her earlier saying on talking to the prof to do her project single handedly had left me confused. I also said that on the day that we were to announce the potential members of our groups she was sitting next to the narc, making it impossible for me to reach out to her.
    Any way, this friend no longer talks to me as she believes I’ve betrayed her in a way. I don’t believe I have, but it hurts.

     

    Mary

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 1 month ago by Mary899.
    #172049
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Mary:

    I think that you have such strong feelings about the person you refer to as “the narc” that it is impossible  and impractical for you to be friends with anyone who is also a friend of “the narc”.

    It is a strong possibility that the friend you lost really was “doing this so that you (Mary) wouldn’t be left on your own”- that this was her motivation and she was sincere about it. It makes sense to me that when you expressed to her your doubt in her sincerity, that it hurt her feelings, and understandably so.

    Your distress regarding “the narc” is so intense, so dominant, that you are unable to think reasonably about the motivations of any of “the narc’s” friends. Therefore, as I wrote earlier, better give up the idea of voluntarily associating with any of her friends and associates.

    I am also suggesting that you no longer express your thoughts and feelings about “the narc” and history of the going-ons with her with any other student or person who associates with her. Such will prevent complications, suspicions, and confusion.

    I understand your distress and how that leads to your suspicion and anger. I know that distress and anger confuses the thinking.

    Other than my suggestions here, already expressed, I wonder what else can be done to reduce your distress…?

    anita

    #172073
    Mary899
    Participant

    Dear anita,
    You are right…I guess my feelings are way too intense.

    You know, by the time she told me that she’s said to the narc that she may want to do the project singlehandedly, I couldn’t help thinking why she didn’t just tell her that she wants to be in my group and not hers in the first place. Was she afraid/ashamed of telling her this? And what was the point in telling ME she had told the narc that she may want to do her project alone? I thought by telling me this she may have wanted to imply that she doesn’t want the narc to know she wants to be with me, and I thought I was respecting her decision by not bringing it up in the narc’s presence. I guess she didn’t see the things the way I did.

    Now I’m worried…I don’t want her to end up on her own because of me. I don’t know whether I have done everything I could to clear the air. I didn’t want our friendship to end over sth as trivial as that. It seems no matter how much I try, as long as the narc is in the picture, I always end up on the square one. I guess the only way is to let go of everyone who is somehow involved with her…come to think of it, I’m already rejected by all our mutual friends. She was the last one.

    Mary

     

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 1 month ago by Mary899.
    • This reply was modified 7 years, 1 month ago by Mary899.
    #172081
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Mary:

    I don’t think that a person who is or was a friend of yours and a friend of hers, could possibly be able to maintain both friendships. There is nothing she could have done, this latest friend, to satisfy you. It is not that this latest friend rejected you, it is more true to say that you rejected her, having expressed to her that you doubt her sincerity and not having appreciate her efforts to satisfy you.

    Again, I don’t think there is a way for you to maintain friendships or associations with people who are friends or voluntarily associate with her as well. I think the way to go, at this point, is to avoid all mutual friends or voluntary associates. Also, when associating with peers who are in contact with her, involuntary contact because of being students attending the same classes, it is better that you don’t discuss your previous contacts with the young woman that distresses you so or your thoughts and feelings about her.

    (You can discuss these contacts, your feelings and thoughts elsewhere, with people who don’t know you and her, as in here).

    anita

    #177867
    Mary899
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    One month has passed…I was hoping that as you said, they would think of the mess caused about 5 months ago as sth that belongs to the past. I tried cutting all the ties and keep as great a distance as possible, trying to focus on my studies. However, as it appears they’re not willing to let it go. They talk behind my back, making up stories and rumors, and if anyone tries to say sth in my defense they later accuse me of ” having shared the story with people who were not involved, trying to play the victim.”

    Recently  they have said I’ve cheated my way through becoming the top student in class 6 semesters in a raw.

    I  don’t know what to think or how to react. More than anything, I want to be able to feel good and at ease despite all that is going around…to no longer have this unpleasant feeling in my chest.

    Mary

    • This reply was modified 7 years ago by Mary899.
    • This reply was modified 7 years ago by Mary899.
    #177871
    Mary899
    Participant

    P.S: I have never cheated.

    #177879
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Mary:

    At this point, after several threads on this issue starting August of this year, I am thinking that you may be suffering from paranoid thinking.

    I have no doubt that you were wronged by others. But your perception of being wronged grew to such an extent that it is now delusional.

    If you look at Wikipedia’s entry on the matter, it reads “… paranoid cognition (is defined as) persecutory delusions… around ideas of being harassed, threatened, harmed, subjugated, persecuted, accused, mistreated, wronged, tormented, disparaged…by malevolent others, either specific individuals or groups”. I think that the malevolent other in your case is the person you refer to as “the narc” and the malevolent group for you is anyone who is friendly with her.

    Paranoid thinking includes (Wiki, see “Paranoia”): “preoccupation with unjustified doubts about the loyalty, or trustworthiness, of friends and associates” and “reluctance to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against them”.

    I believe quality psychotherapy will benefit you.

    anita

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