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July 5, 2018 at 10:34 am #215587BellaParticipant
Hi Anita,
Today has been rough so far, I think because of all of the Holidays in the last few month, Mothers Day/Fathers Day/ Easter and of course 4th of July…I do feel sad today even though yesterday was ok…
I do wish I could stop wondering how my ex is…I know it DOES NOT matter. I think the hardest thing is after being together for 8 yrs. I truly do not understand how he can not even to check & see how I am doing. It doesn’t seem normal to me.Also, I would like your view on a comment he made that I had posted in an earlier post. 2 weeks ago when we briefly met, he said I need to tell you about a dream I had …”I dreamed I built a house & had a seperate bedroom on each end, one for you & one for my girlfriend”…He said, “I can tell you this, but not her…she would get too upset” I just looked at him and got in my car & left. Not spoken since…
Bella~
July 5, 2018 at 11:37 am #215597AnonymousGuestDear Bella:
Maybe wondering how he is doing does not matter, but your hurt and anger underneath the wondering matters. How you feel matters.
About the comment he made, I was wondering about it, wondering what he based the “I can tell you this”- did you express tolerance for such talk before? I don’t think you did…did you?
Assuming the answer is no, that you weren’t okay before with him talking about other women (or assuming he didn’t talk about other women before, to you, that is), then I am thinking that he is a .. how shall I put it without using an inappropriate word… he is a man of low character.
As a matter of fact, a man of low character would fit with what you shared a while ago, that he doesn’t mind not seeing his children, didn’t mind that his children will not visit him (you suggested to him that they would).
I need to be away from the computer for about fifteen hours. I would like to read your thoughts when I am back. I do hope you feel better very soon. As far as the holidays, we do have a break from those for a while.
anita
July 5, 2018 at 12:55 pm #215599BellaParticipantHi Anita,
I feel you are correct about his low character…I tried not to read much in to his comment about building the house, but I couldn’t help but let it slip back into my thoughts in the past few weeks. It sickened me when he said it because it made me feel hurt & like my feelings didn’t matter. I would never say such a thing…Especially, when he let me know it would upset her and he took no thought into my feelings. I don’t even think he noticed my expression when he said it to me…I couldn’t see my own face when he said it but I know in my Heart it was pure pain and hurt!
As I have been told by many & know in my Heart he is not the one for me. He is selfish and I believe he only cares about his happiness. He is repeating his life with his first family with me…I don’t have children with him but I use to be active in a cat rescue group and have 2 that we rescued 5 yrs. back…One was sick about 2 1/2 mos. ago and he never followed up with me to see how our little boys was doing. I love them both dearly and thought about moving in the near future to get away from the madness and distance myself from him, but one thing that prevents it for now is the welfare of my cats. As silly as it may sound, this is the only home they have known and the thoughts of moving somewhere new and possibly they could run away in a strange place, I am hesitant. Maybe I will take my time and get all of my affairs in order and move next year. I want to be 100% sure that is what I really would like. I still have property and my home to sell before I could move and it is not an easy task for someone who is as broken hearted as I am to make such a life altering decision .
Just the thought of selling/packing/finding a new home & not even knowing where I would go is strenuous. I have so many things to get rid of it is overwhelming.
I am starting to realize after 8 yrs. I really didn’t know the true soul of this man…I ask myself how could I have been so blind? Most people say he was using me for a home & he felt secure with me…Maybe he saw me as an easy target…I don’t know. But I can think myself to death and never know the true answer. The thing that makes me realize the most about his character is he did the same to me as he did his ex, and they had 3 children…I never saw any remorses in him about not seeing them or any regrets about the way he treated her when he left. I do remember a letter she wrote him say he was breaking her heart and she didn’t know if she could live without him…I should have realized then he was of low character. I am sure he has told his new girlfriend about the few conversations we have had. Probably to make her jealous…I remember his ex asked him to go to therapy with her before he left and only went once, he came over and laughed and said the therapist told them their was no way they would be about to work things out and the love was gone. I thought it was a bit personal for him to tell about such a private moment with his spouse, but not to him. He said she drove away crying and he showed no empathy for her. I know it seems like so many red flags, but when we were together he seemed so loving, but I see now he can turn it on and off like a facuact. And with all of the lies he has told me which I am now finding out about, I just feel foolish. It was funny because a few month before he moved out, (me thinking things were fine at the time) we would go somewhere in his car and I remember the seat being moved back when I sat down & I did ask who had been in my seat? He elaborated in such detail, nobody but you ever rides in this car. I just thought of that today is why I brought it up. Things just keep popping up which fuels me all over like it just happened… I would like to grab him & slam his face into a brick wall.
Part of me would like to confront him with all I have found out & tell him what a scum bag he is. What prevents me from doing so are a few reasons…He already knows what he has done & what a liar he is…I wouldn’t give him the pleasure of seeing me upset (because I know I would either get angry, or cry…and I would never let him know I still care. I hope and pray in the near future I am able to forget about most of his existence and the life we shared together. We are cut from 2 different cloths~
Bella~
July 6, 2018 at 6:28 am #215675AnonymousGuestDear Bella:
I think we all do that: we see in other people what we need them to be and we turn a blind eye to what we don’t want to be true. You saw him as a loving man because sometimes he was, I suppose (aren’t all people sometimes loving..). But you closed your eyes to those red flags you mentioned, the shows of his significant lack of empathy to others.
Just like he was indifferent about his ex wife’s misery, he would probably be indifferent to yours if you express it to him again (telling him he is a scum bag etc.)
Maybe he will, as you already suspected in previous posts, enjoy seeing you miserable. Maybe that was his intent in that comment. It is not unheard of that people intend to hurt others.
Moving reads not like something you are ready to do any time soon. But Moving on from seeing him as he was not and is not- that is something you can do now. You can move on from seeing him as a loving man, and so, there wasn’t much of a something that you had together, a something that once gone “everything is falling apart”.
Nothing much there, nothing falling apart when it is gone, in reality. What do you think/ feel?
anita
July 6, 2018 at 7:14 am #215679BellaParticipantHi Anita,
Is it normal for me to continue to wake up with the feeling of loss, even though I am beginning to realize he was not the one for me. I still have feelings for him that do cause me pain of hurt. I kills me to find out all of the lies he told me because I would have gone to my death never believing he would have done so many terrible things. And I do know it was all planned by the way it ended. Is it normal for me to still wonder about these things as they fleetingly go through my mind without much control on my part…
Bella~
July 6, 2018 at 7:20 am #215681AnonymousGuestDear Bella:
Yes, I think it is normal. We feel what we feel based on what we perceived. And you perceived, for a long time, that he was a loving and decent man. So based on that long term perception, you feel loss, loss of what you believed he was. As a matter of fact, this kind of misperception is the reason adult children long so deeply for their parents even though the parents were not and are not loving.
A child needs so desperately for the parent to be a loving parent, that they make believe that he/ she is. Millions of adult children go to their death, using your own term, longing for the parents they never had.
So you long for him. It takes time for the understanding of who he was/ is to sink in. Let it.
anita
July 7, 2018 at 6:22 am #215769BellaParticipantHi Anita,
Wanted to say Hi & give an update…Last night was a restless night, but I am going to meet someone for lunch today. We spoke yesterday for a long time on the phone & seem to have a lot in common…I am going with an open and positive attitude…One problem, I feel like I am being deceptive to the relationship of the past and it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable.
I try so hard to put him out of my mind and as always, thoughts creep back in. Even in a sick way I have caught myself wondering if he would ever come back if I keep my distance and maybe by some chance he would miss me enough to call. I know that is not going to happen and is prolonging my healing. What can I do to stop me from thinking these thoughts. I guess whenever someone says , “he will come back”, it makes me wonder if he would and what would I say to him. I really don’t know.
Deep down inside I really do understand we were so different & is why we split…Our values were nothing in line with one another. And I have seen how his life now is polar opposite of what we had planned together. We had a future planned with building a home, saving our money and hanging out at home. Now, all he does is go out of town, diner, trips and spend money like it is going out of style.
How could he live so completely different now with her than he did with me? Questions I keep asking myself & then I start to blame myself again for the break-up…It’s like every time I start to feel better and realize it wasn’t all my fault, these thoughts of what could I have changed come rushing back in. I have never been this distant with a break-up. Every time I think us only seeing one another 4 times very briefly in the past 3 months hurts.
It just doesn’t seem normal after 8 yrs. not to wonder or have any contact. Like I said before I will not contact him & if he tried I wouldn’t respond to him even If I wanted. The only way I would talk to him is if he made a real effort and even send a letter, or show up and ask to explain. Not that it would heal , or make me able to forgive…I am not sure what I am hoping for. I feel I would even be afraid to ever talk to, or trust him again. I know it’s not an option at all, so please tell me, why am I wasting my time with these useless thoughts…
Bella~
July 7, 2018 at 7:14 am #215773AnonymousGuestDear Bella:
I think you are “wasting (your) time with these useless thoughts” because you became emotionally attached to him and it is difficult to be separated from the object of one’s attachment.
You expressed concern for your cats, earlier, that they will not do well if you moved to a new place. This concern is based on your cats being attached to your current home. It would be difficult for your cats to be separated from the object of their attachment,your home, their familiar surroundings, that is what you are thinking, correct?
You are no different. He was the object of your attachment, and you are having a difficult time being separated from him. It doesn’t matter who he was, or what happened, all that matters is that you got attached to him. He could have been anyone.. or anything. Once attached, it is difficult to separate from what we are attached to.
The lunch you are having today, that is with a man you don’t know yet, correct? So you are not yet attached to this man. Here is the key: get to know him first, as objectively as you can, before getting attached to him. That way you cautiously and wisely get attached to a man who is likely to benefit your well being.
What you need to learn about doing your part in having a healthy relationship, learn that if this lunch date extends to more and more dates, and if it extends into a relationship. That will be your opportunity to learn and build something valuable and meaningful.
anita
July 10, 2018 at 5:51 am #216111BellaParticipantHi Anita,
I received an email from the bank yesterday that my ex had requested a change in address on my bank account & I was livid…I called & the bank told me he would need to change it back since he was attached to the account for some reason, even after I personally went to the bank to have everything changed over a month ago.
I called him & left a message & he called back, hateful and a high pitched voice telling me he didn’t do anything, all he said he did was order checks. But he did say he knew the account had been closed, so I don’t feel he was being truthful. He was so hateful & he told me he had a few things here he would like to have, but would pick them up when he was ready. I told him to come today which is his day off & he said it wasn’t good for him, that he would call sometime in the next few weeks and let me know. I told him no, he needed to get them now. Then he asked why I was in a hurry to have him get them, that that I should just leave them where they were until he could come by. Then he asked why I requested he get his things which were in my attic a few weeks ago, which he did pick up. He said that wasn’t necessary, they could have stayed in the attic & they were not hurting anything…
My question is why do you think is won’t pick them up & be done with it & why can’t he talk in a civil tone when we are on the phone. In person he is not such an ass, but on the phone he turn in to a complete jerk. When I asked him to stop yelling he said his door was closed at work and he wasn’t.
Why do you think he won’t just get his things and be done with it. I told him I was moving on and wanted nothing of his here and he seems to think there is nothing wrong with him waiting…It is driving me crazy… One thing is a box of his old family pictures, or I would just throw everything away!
Bella~
July 10, 2018 at 6:01 am #216113AnonymousGuestDear Bella:
I didn’t know you still have things of his and I don’t like it, not at all. I think you should pack all his things and put them in a storage place, pay rent for a small storage unit for a month and tell him where it is and that he has a month to pick up his stuff from there or pay the next month rent for storage. All his stuff should be out of your home as soon as possible. The back account, I don’t understand what that is about, why don’t you close it?
anita
July 10, 2018 at 6:38 am #216117BellaParticipantHi Anita,
The things that are here are less than 2 boxes of things…He told me it was a few things in the house he had in a box or 2…I told him to send me an email & give me a list & I would set them out for him and he said he would call in a week or 2 when he had time and make arrangements to pick them up…I told him asap & he upset me & I said a few nasty things and hung up on him. He did not call, or respond back…If it were not pictures of his mom & dad, I would throw them out. Why do you think he will not just come and get them and be done with it.
He has everything else…He did say he didn’t understand the urgency of his things being removed, just wait until it was good for him to come & pick them up…
Bella
July 10, 2018 at 6:51 am #216121AnonymousGuestDear Bella:
As to why he is in no rush to pick up the rest of his belongings, possible reasons:
1. He doesn’t care for those belongings, doesn’t care about having them or not.
2. His place is crowded and he doesn’t have space for much more.
3. He wants to keep you in his life in some way, to have a reason to stay in contact.
4. He wants you to suffer and he wants to keep hearing you distressed.
5. He is thinking about the possibility of moving back in with you.
Which one or a combination of the above do you think is true?
anita
July 10, 2018 at 7:06 am #216129BellaParticipantHi Anita,
As hateful as he is when we spoke, I couldn’t imagine he wants to return. I hear so much anger, like never before. Raised voice & will not really respond to much & just ask me, “Are you finished” which he knows annoys me…
But the items which are here are more sentimental, old family pic of his deceased parents…which I would feel terrible to throw out & would no do. But, he knows how angry I am & that is a possibility and he still has no urgency to get them. Like I had mentioned when we were speaking, he said he didn’t know why it bothered me for him to have them here.
Bella
July 10, 2018 at 7:27 am #216131AnonymousGuestDear Bella:
He said he didn’t know why it bothered you to have his belongings with you. For a decent person, if he was one, it shouldn’t matter why it bothers you. All that should matter, in the situation, is that it bothers you. And then, a decent person, would remove what is bothering you.
Him being angry at you leads me toward possibility # 4 above. Anger motivates a person to hurt whom they are angry with.
But possibility # 5 is not an impossibility in my mind, not because of love in his heart but because he may need to move back in with you.
* The items that seem sentimental to you may not be for him. Maybe he doesn’t want the old photos of his deceased parents because he doesn’t want to see those photos. Maybe it is understandable that he doesn’t want those photos (maybe they were bad people…).
anita
July 10, 2018 at 8:23 am #216147BellaParticipantHi Anita,
I guess as we have discussed in the past few months in out posts to one another…
He can’t be understood due to his lack of character and all of his lies…I don’t understand & as I told him, no need to be hateful to one another. He know how to get me upset. One funny thing, he did say I was going to call and check on you tomorrow & I said what for, you wouldn’t help me if I wasn’t ok and needed something…His response, well maybe you fell and drowned in the bath tub. My goodness, what kind of a remork! I am beginning to believe he may be a bit deranged…
Bella
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