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May 5, 2017 at 7:09 am #148095SusannahParticipant
Hi!
I am a 48-year old single woman without children. I”ve been by myself for several years. My life is not a complete mess: I have friends, go to work, have some hobbies etc. To tell you the truth, often my life feels quite empty and not too meaningful since I do not have a relationship. (Yeah, I love myself and some other blah blah truths.) It is just that to me life feels most fulfilling when there is deep emotional & physical connection with someone.
Some years ago I fell deeply in love with a man. There was a special connection – and we never had a relationship (which made me cry every day for six months). He is a widow, which probably was the main reason; too much loss for him to be able to start over. For the last year I have known one man, who has become very important to me. (We share one hobby and from day one I could see that we connected. We don”t see each other very often but have e-mail contact and share very personal issues. He is in a relationship, which is not very fulfilling. We have never discussed our situation and he does not know about my feelings. In reality he must know, between the lines.)
I am sick and tired of online dating and do not go to bars etc. I realize that the deep feelings I have, make me feel more lonely than I would feel without them.
I would really appreciate some insights. Have a volunteer work, meditate – that kind of solutions sound good but in reality do not really fully help.
May 5, 2017 at 7:26 am #148105AnonymousGuestDear Susannah:
When you wrote: “I realize that the deep feelings I have, make me feel more lonely than I would without them”- by “deep feelings” are you referring to your need and desire for a “deep emotional & physical connection with someone”?
You mentioned in your post two men you did not have a relationship with. Can you share about a relationship you did have, a meaningful one?
anita
May 5, 2017 at 8:41 am #148127SusannahParticipantThanks Anita,
I have had two long & serious relationships before; no need to go into details. The first one became very brother/sister -kind and the other ended because he moved to his homeland.
It seems that there is no special reason for my situation. No childhood trauma or other issue. Maybe one day not too soon things will change…
It took 10 hours to moderate my first mail (ever here) so I will not probably be back. I am not used to such a long timing…
May 5, 2017 at 8:56 am #148131AnonymousGuestDear Susannah:
You are welcome. If you would like to examine the reason/s for your situation (I suspect such exist), do post again, even though the timing is long.
anita
May 5, 2017 at 9:44 am #148139SusannahParticipantActually, Anita, I do not think that it has to do with my personality or history. When I think about my friends, there is no one who would have been single after 35. (Some have good relationships and some don”t.) It just might be that there are not that many “good” single men available at this age. (In this context good means a person with emotional stability and maturity, no addictions etc.)
Any other insights, anyone? Any man online with his ideas?
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May 5, 2017 at 1:35 pm #148189CraigParticipantHi Susannah,
I can share my experience as a guy, but don’t know if it will be helpful to you or not. First, I want to say that you’ve shared some things brilliantly, such as: “To tell you the truth, often my life feels quite empty and not too meaningful since I do not have a relationship. (Yeah, I love myself and some other blah blah truths.) It is just that to me life feels most fulfilling when there is deep emotional & physical connection with someone.” Well, I happen to agree, and don’t think it’s useful when if you say you’re lonely, people respond by saying you don’t love yourself enough, etc.
Anyway, this is what I have found in women as I have dated in my mid-50s: Basically, a mixture. My work environment is not good for meeting people. When I have thrown myself into hobbies and activities, I find that single women often travel in pairs and create kind of an emotional wall, and gravitate toward the model-looking, extraverted guys. Sure, I get that that is normal, but since I don’t look like a model, and I’m on the quiet side, I’ve had to try other things. On-line dating has been working for me because I’ve gotten a lot better at screening. In particular, I examine the profiles, or end up asking the women directly, if they’ve done any serious personal growth, particularly through psychotherapy. This comes out of the experience of my last relationship in which I totally loved this woman, but her behaviors were highly avoidant and she had no interest in working on herself (and never had). As a result, I don’t even want to date a “nice” woman if she hasn’t dealt with her stuff, because eventually it would come up, and I won’t go back to a situation where I have, am, and will work on myself to be the best partner possible, but my partner isn’t doing the same. Never again. But that’s just me.
Craig
May 6, 2017 at 12:56 am #148225SusannahParticipantHi Craig and thank you for your insights! It made a lot of sense.
I hope that you do not assume that everyone needs psychotherapy? 😉 I am the kind of person, who does not have much baggage – maybe it is because of a stable childhood with loving parents & a deep interest in personal growth and meaningful life for the last 30 years.
I got involved with online dating some years ago. There were several very promising men with the same kind of values and interests. (To put it briefly: I want to grow until I die to become the most wholehearted and wise person within my potential.) The problem was that irl there was no chemistry…There was good chemistry with some younger men and I”ve had some sexually fulfilling “relationships” with them. (I have not had such for two years because of the lack of depth. It is a challenge: is it better to be without sex at all? Hmmm…)
I used to meditate “seriously” (following celibacy etc.) for several years and do not continue with that for several reasons but really enjoy mindfulness and my volunteer work gives a lot of meaning. (Of course I am thankful for my job as well.) It is just that many things in life would have so much more meaning if there was the one and only to share it with.
May 6, 2017 at 5:46 am #148235CraigParticipantYou’re welcome, Susannah. And they are simply my thoughts and my experience. So, for example, even if I do think everyone needs psychotherapy, that doesn’t mean I’m right – it would simply mean that that is what I think. And to be clear, I don’t think everyone needs psychotherapy to function and be happy – I see it as one way to move toward wholeness and overall health.
I hear you about wanting a “one and only” to share life with. It the same thing for me. I think it’s an integral need, maybe even encoded in human DNA, to have a deep and abiding connection with a partner. Unfortunately we humans have learned so many ways to confound our relating. My search is for someone 1) with whom I have chemistry – that has to be there, and 2) who shares a commitment to learning and developing healthy ways of relating. If people already knew how to relate in a healthy way, then almost no one would be single. That’s the way I see it, anyway.
Could be you’re just going through a long drought period. People come and go. Hopefully someone will come into your life that you love and who loves you, and you both figure out how to be together peacefully until the end.
May 6, 2017 at 6:28 am #148237SusannahParticipantThanks, Craig!
It is true that psychotherapy sure would not harm anyone! In my culture – I live in Europe – “everyone” does not have his / her shrink like it is in the States; maybe that is not even the truth but a rumour!
May 6, 2017 at 6:31 am #148239SusannahParticipantThanks, Craig!
It is true that psychotherapy sure would not harm anyone! In my culture – I live in Europe – “everyone” does not have his / her shrink like it is in the States; maybe that is not even the truth but a rumour!
May 6, 2017 at 6:33 am #148241SusannahParticipantThanks, Craig!
It is true that psychotherapy sure would not harm anyone! In my culture – I live in Europe – “everyone” does not have his / her shrink like it is in the States; maybe that is not even the truth but a rumour!
There are a lot of not so happy relationships. If two broken humani beings unite in order to become one, well… (Two whole human beings do not even want to become one.) Most people would like to have a relationship – like you said, it probably has to do with being human – but I think that the value of the relationship varies. For someone (like me) it is the center of the life and for someone else something different. Maybe it has to do how much the person “lives” in his heart and how much in his head. I believe that there are a lot of people who do not even yearn true intimacy and that is ok. Hopefully they connect with a person who is alike so that there will be mutual satisfaction.
May 6, 2017 at 6:37 am #148243SusannahParticipantOops, some technical problem…Sorry for the two one chapter messages!
May 6, 2017 at 6:52 am #148245CraigParticipantThat’s really cool, that rumor that everyone in the U.S. has a shrink. So I Googled it, FWIW, and there are a number of surveys. Depending on which one and over what time period, it looks like less than half, closer to 25% of Americans have consulted with a mental health professional over a two year period. In England, something like 20% have consulted with a therapist. A CNN article says that seeing a therapist is the “norm” (whatever that means) in Argentina. Isn’t that interesting?
I’m fascinated by views – how cultures view each other, how countries view each other, and especially, how individuals view their partners, and how much or little these views have to do with what’s really going on.
One of the best pieces of advice I’ve ever heard is to get an *accurate* view of one’s partner, i.e., don’t project our internal stuff and judgments onto them.
May 6, 2017 at 8:32 am #148253SusannahParticipantEveryone having their therapist was partly a joke! Now that they have Trump as a president there would be need for one for me, if I lived there! 😉 (Another half joke.)
In many countries people take a lot of medicine for mental health problems. It sure is a sign that there is a lot going wrong in this world…
Some time ago I watched a British documentary about loneliness, the modern disease. One thing that probably feeds the feeling of loneliness – and isolation – is social media; everyone shows the best parts of their life. (I am not part of any of that so I really don”t know, but that”s what I”ve heard.) Deep down we all just want to be seen and understood and loved – how come it is so difficult?
May 6, 2017 at 9:33 am #148259CraigParticipantI think loneliness is becoming an epidemic. It’s been a struggle for me. I work on my part of it, the parts of my behaviors that might keep people away. But connection is more challenging when families don’t live in the same community, friends leave for jobs, etc.
How do you answer your question “how come it is so difficult?”
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