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January 15, 2015 at 10:21 pm #71428Sunfl0werParticipant
(I am new here, so please let me know if my posting is not ok for any reason…I think I’m getting long winded and will eventually have to start my own post so I’m not seemingly hijacking another’s)
I can relate to many things in your post. I hope that sharing a bit of my situation is not out of the purpose of this thread, but can be helpful.
I am with a man whose ex has BPD. They were together over 10 years before the divorce. I met him two months after he moved out of their house.
I look back now, after five years of us together, and see such a different view than what was possible for me to see that first year together. I have to say, I still love him and feel in my heart that we could be wonderful, however, things have fallen apart for us.
I see today that the man I spent time with our first year together, has slowly settled into different ways.
He used to be attentive, endlessly grateful, endlessly patient, caring, all that, etc.
While he did not exactly change, the conditions around us did, and as he responded to this, I have seen and experienced things about him that wouldn’t have been possible that first blissful year.
To be more direct, I feel that the dynamic of the toxic relationship that he was in for so many years became so much a part of him. When the “honeymoon” phase of our relationship shifted into more of a husband/wife dynamic he regressed and became fearful. I honestly think that he was a bit traumatized by his ex wife and as my role became more like a wife, he began responding to me more like he did in his marriage.
It was very difficult for me to anticipate a shift like this in his behavior. In the beginning of our relationship there was still much going on with wrapping up divorce issues of properties and parenting. My support made him grateful at this time. Our partnership grew strong as a result. He got much fill of re establishing his identity and esteem through our time together. Looking back, I wonder about this fact as I now see much of his desire for me was actually maybe a hunger more for esteem and identity in a time of emotional crisis and devastating loss for him. (It was not one sided, he was supportive of me too)
However, the past several years he keeps having regressions and his fear seems to take over him and he now responds to me as though I am like his ex and as though I am acting against him, when I clearly am not. He spent many years in a dynamic that stunted any emotional growth that may have otherwise happened.
So essentially this patient, easy going guy who almost never fights that I fell in love with…..is also a guy who…. Can’t deal with conflict, was agreeing with me to avoid conflict but I thought was excellent at compromise and I thought was excellent at hearing my perspective; he compartmentalizes to cope to the point of denial that has put me and my son in harms way…not intentionally…but just because he won’t stand up to his wife and sacrifices himself and us all as a result. If I disagree, he feels he is a victim of something and gets angry at me and becomes unreasonable. He still cannot express his anger toward his child and wife and takes it out on me in a passive aggressive manner that he is even unaware of. He is still tied emotionally to her in a way that makes me feel like he is still more her ex husband than my partner. He only listens when someone causes drama, and because I am not abusive to him I get tuned out.
I think that it was moving in together and the inability for him to leave and get days of space that revealed more of his ways to me. Also when things settled with his divorce and he no longer had the unending gratitude to me, he acted like he wanted to overcompensate and put me in a weak position. I think the dating phase was a rather safe one, a time of putting ones best foot forward, a time of fun, of little expectations or relationship responsibilities and when a couple spends lots of time expressing and discovering each other and loving each other together. When things shifted and responsibilities and expectations were added to the dynamic, things regressed slowly and slowly.
I hope you do not see this as me being judgmental that things for you would follow a similar path. I hope that there is some insight in this though on some things to help in some way.
January 16, 2015 at 5:31 am #71433Maggie BlackParticipantOh, I can tell immediately from your post you are NOT in the least judgmental and are only offering me help while still trying to understand yours!!
Your post makes me so sad for you because I hear in your voice all the joy I felt too, at the very beginning.
Now, while nothing has changed OVERTLY in his actions TOWARDS me (still calls as much, we still have fun, he is very patient etc), I can somehow understand EVERYTHING you are saying because it all rings a bell.
First off, you used the word, toxic for his relationship with her. And she is BP. Both of these things coincide with what my BF(boyfriend) have experienced. My boyfriend’s wife (that sounds so awful) is Histrionic personality.I feel so bad for what you are enduring. Having gone from all the joy to this is so hard. Especially when you feel he is projecting behaviors from his marriage onto you.
You suggested that it was related to when you got married and how the responsibilities have caused him to revert to behaviors in his marriage.
What I also heard you say that would bother me is that he is emotionally tied to his former wife.
He is stilling doing things for her to avoid drama?Avoiding drama at all cost is something that will make you feel ‘in the dark’ with him because you feel you cannot get close to him on an emotional level.
I would suggest that you offer him as much space as you can so that he feels as if you ‘backing away’ from him to a degree. In that way he can experience what it feels like not to have your loving support.
It is not manipulative at all to create some anxiety in him, because his thinking is askew and needs to be reprogrammed. He is seeing you a whipping post instead of the love of his life and before this sours you toward him, action must be taken.
Because he doesn’t know how to take the proper action, you have to be the one.
So, back away from him and be emotionally cool.
Not cold or detached. That would be counter productive.
Give him some emotional space so he can experience what it feels like not to be surrounded by your love, goodness and support.
This will cause him to “FEEL” emotions he needs to deal with.
He will want to come back to you to ‘recreate’ those warm feelings.
When he does, do not give them without first telling him that the warmth comes with the flow of love that you two once had,
Let him see that the responsibility for the relationship lies with both of you. NOT JUST YOU!Most likely, he didn’t have time to grieve his marriage ending and even though it is toxic and terrible, we still need to grieve.
Maybe gently suggest that to him when things get better and see if he is receptive to that.He may feel that he cannot give to you right now and that is making him display the passive aggressive behaviors to you.
Don’t allow yourself to get sucked into a never ending cycle of bad treatment by him. It will kill your love and it will kill your self esteem too. It will hurt you.
If you give him time and he doesn’t change and begin to talk to you and open up to you and get back to where you were in the joy stages of your relationship then it might be time to think about your life and what you need.
Non stop supportiveness by one partner is called “CODEPENDENCE.”
Make sure you aren’t codependent by googling it and reading up on it.
I am codependent in my marriage and even though my husband had been separated from me for 5 months I still can fall into that role. I think it is my job to fix everything about him and our relationship.
I was worn out and couldn’t do it any more. I had walked on eggshells for many many years.
That is why when my boyfriend walked into my life I fell so hard for him. He gave me everything that I had not gotten from my husband.I hope you will find peace and the joy you found with your husband. You sound like such a wonderful person. Thank you for your post to my question.
January 17, 2015 at 1:12 am #71470Sunfl0werParticipant(Posting is new to me and I am still learning how to organize my thoughts and responses more effectively, so please bear with me)
Thank you so much Maggie, for taking much time and care in your reply to me.
There were things and dots I wanted to go back and connect from my first response to be clearer so I’ll start with that then add another response to your recent one separately. Maybe by having a bit of my story already and also the awareness that I mean very well, it can make sense better anyway.
There are things you express that I think are wise of you to be aware and mindful of:
“He allows her to get her way to avoid all conflict and this aggravates me.”
It is possible that his passive ways can continue to cause problems for a future relationship with you. Idk
“We are both over 50 so this isn’t a maturity issue”
Age does not mean someone is emotionally mature in the ways that you need the person to be for a successful relationship. I do think it would have been very mature of him to have severed ties with his wife before seeking companion from another woman.
“When he told me he was paying for 1/2 of her elective surgery, something inside me changed toward him.”
Honestly, while I agree with the others about him being married and it being her money, putting that logical thought of mine aside, this phrase of yours hit me like a big punch in the gut! It made me feel like he is tied to her with some sense of loyalty. That would hurt me greatly. I was not married to my BF but we merged homes and families, it was very much a marriage to me. My BF never did end his loyalty to his ex, his sense of obligation, his sense of guilt and connection to her pain. That was part of their codependent/personality disorder dynamic and I thought he would unlearn much of that with my insight and love but it was so much a part of him. It actually felt often like I was a mistress when I was not. And because they have a child together he was not ever able to not have contact with her so their relationship could never really end, but what needed to happen was for him to set clearer boundaries with her. So for you, I would listen to that gut instinct of yours as this man you love is comfortable blurring the boundaries of his loyalties and relationships and that is a concerning thing.
“I also feel like I want to dial back the intensity of our relationship until he leaves her.”
Sounds like you are listening to your instincts and moving in a direction to be caring to yourself. 🙂
January 17, 2015 at 2:00 am #71471Sunfl0werParticipantThank you for your kindness.
I am feeling so devastated at where we are right now. We merged lives. We have a child each from previous marriage. Now he wants to move out as soon as he can.
Yes, he still does things to avoid the drama. He would learn, grow, set good boundaries and have really promising moments or stretches. However, in the end he would default to his old dynamics with her of people pleasing. It was like a trance or some BPD/codependent dance they automatically do when they interact. Like he would consciously try to avoid it, but would slip, let his guard down, or he’d just be too exhausted and would allow himself to get sucked into their dance and he wouldn’t even notice his hips swaying to their song.
“I would suggest that you offer him as much space as you can so that he feels as if you ‘backing away’ from him to a degree.”
Idk, idk even how to respond to this. Things are so extremely complicated. I think I will soon need to start my own post to sort it out more, when I’m ready.
He is the type that needs my affection and love to feel close to me. Giving him space only serves for him to “forget” that we love one another instead of drawing him near. We have been in couples counseling and I pretty much have accepted my role as the caregiver of the relationship and that can be ok for us.
“Non stop supportiveness by one partner is called “CODEPENDENCE””
Thank you for caring and looking out for me. I have often challenged our therapist and questioned him why he did not discard our dynamic and consider it an unhealthy codependency. The reply was that as long as one of us can remain aware and conscious about what is going on in the relationship then there is someone awake to steer the ship. It is if we both get entangled and reactive in our dealings that he would consider it problematic. I wasn’t sure I agreed with this. I complained that I had needs too. I have since come to accept that we could have a relationship that works well in this situation. Yes, it would mean me removing some attachment to expectations and appreciating other things. There is much about us to appreciate that would lessen the loss I’d feel of letting go of some of my expectations.“That is why when my boyfriend walked into my life I fell so hard for him. He gave me everything that I had not gotten from my husband.”
I think there is much to ponder about this thought. It rings so true for me. I know it is the reason that my BF became so attached and drawn to me. I was everything his ex wife was not. I was a huge source of comfort in his transitional phase in his life. It also is much of the reason I was drawn to him too as he is much different than past relationships I’ve had.
I wonder if I could be looking more into myself for these things and feel satiated with what is there, would that free me?
I feel real pain to think this thought.
It feels scary and like I’m losing something.
I am not sure how to get there.
But I imagine it is a freer place.January 17, 2015 at 6:14 pm #71502Maggie BlackParticipantOh Sunflower..
I just post this whole long post back to you and when I submitted it was lost.How are things going?
Maybe tomorrow I will feel like retyping it.
January 17, 2015 at 8:38 pm #71505Sunfl0werParticipantAwwww…ok, well I’ll keep my eyes open! (I get worried I’ll accidentally send before I’m done editing, so I type in word, txt or something first.). 🙂
January 23, 2015 at 4:42 pm #71839Maggie BlackParticipantI just wanted to do a follow up post since people come to help us out… it is good to let them know how things turned out.
A huge weight has lifted from me as he filed for divorce!
It seems he is the type person who does more “action” than talk and wanted to have everything lined up before he filed and let me know.
I finally feel like my life is moving in the direction I want it to.I think we hear so much about how a married man who is intensely unhappy will still stay with his wife that we forget that every rule does have exceptions.
I knew in my heart that he would leave her and divorce her but I didn’t listen to my heart.
Another lesson learned.January 24, 2015 at 6:04 am #71850Sunfl0werParticipantSo good for the update Maggie!! 🙂 I was wondering about how you are. I was reading yesterday something that explained how each moment has many paths and directions. I was enjoying that thought and it was helping me to be more conscious of my actions in the moment. Somehow that is what comes to mind for me in reading your update.
January 24, 2015 at 6:38 am #71853Maggie BlackParticipantSunflower,
That is a good thought to gather through these challenges.
That every moment brings changes and does have many paths and directions.
I hope you will keep me informed about how things are going with you, too.
I am going to venture out and say that in every moment good is working itself out.
Had he not left his wife, I would know that is how it is supposed to be. It would have caused me hurt but then I know something good would come from it.
Let me know if you ever want to talk! -
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