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February 21, 2014 at 3:20 pm #51525KellyParticipant
My ex-boyfriend is a rather controlling and manipulative person. I did not see this side of him when we were in the initial stages of love and courtship, but as time went on, it became apparent to me that he feels a desire for things to be the way he thinks they should be, at all times. It has been a difficult relationship to experience as he was rarely overtly controlling. By this I mean he never demanded I do this, or do that, but it was typically more trying to control the way I thought or felt about things. Through therapy, I learned to recognize his behaviors as controlling – for example if I was ever feeling bad about an interaction between the two of us, I would share those feelings with him and he would immediately “explain” his side of the story and tell me why I wouldn’t feel the way I feel if I truly understood his motivations and what he really meant when he did what he did, etc. He told me he was “desperate” for me to not feel bad, so he would try to explain why my feelings were based on inaccurate assumptions or beliefs. Over time, this made me feel completely invalidated, that my feelings weren’t “real” or I was some kind of dolt who just didn’t “get it”. To him, I had nothing to be upset about and in fact many times he turned the table on me and made himself the victim – how come I don’t recognize what a loving, loyal, sensitive, caring person he is who would never do anything to cause me distress? Apologies from him were rare, and typically of the “I’m sorry you believe X and as a result you feel Y” variety, versus what I consider a true apology, taking accountability: “I’m sorry I did/said Z.”
Anyhow, I finally found the strength to leave the relationship, although now I am emotionally bereft at times and in turmoil at others. It’s been two months since the breakup, though we have been in regular communication via email and text. Just last night, he texted me to say he thinks we should exchange our things. I have a few bags of his personal items and clothes at my house and he has some lawn care equipment of mine at his house. Because of the increasing level of verbal nastiness, yelling and manipulation toward the end of our relationship and because of a betrayal I still feel very raw and deeply, I do not feel comfortable seeing him. Unfortunately, one of the items of his at my house is a bed which will require a truck to transport and is not something I can simply drop off at a neutral location in my compact car. I do not have a truck so I told my ex I would ask my friend Jason for help and maybe he could drop the bed off at my ex’s house. My ex’s response was that he didn’t want Jason “involved in our issues”. I told him it was a practical matter and that I would feel more comfortable having a friend help me out. He responded that I should just leave my house for an hour and let him (the ex) come by and get the bed and other things and not to make it “complicated”. I asked him what the big deal in having a friend (whom my ex knows very well, we spent loads of time together as couples) help out if it would make me feel better and he said it’s because it makes him feel like a “monster” that I need a “guardian” in order to face him and that he doesn’t want anybody else involved. He said that he was “good enough” to have the bed at my house in the first place and thus he was “good enough” to be able to come by and get it. That he wasn’t going to ransack my house, the home that he spent many days and nights in over the years (though we never officially moved in together). We reached an impasse and I gave up communicating with him on it at this time.
I am very frustrated because I feel he is not respecting my boundaries. I did not suggest asking Jason for help to hurt my ex, I did it to soothe my feelings and have someone I care for there in what is a very vulnerable time for me. My ex made it about his feelings. While I can respect how it makes him feel, I don’t believe that I should do something I am not comfortable with – leave my home, my sanctuary, and have my former partner there unaccompanied taking his things. I have no trust left and although I do not believe he would do anything malicious per se, it’s just a comfort level thing and I don’t want to make myself vulnerable in that way. Home has been my place of comfort over these last two months and it is mine. It’s not open to him anymore.
From a practical standpoint, I just don’t know what to do. I suppose I could “trick” my ex and tell him to come on over and have Jason waiting at the house when he gets there, but I don’t want to cause unnecessary turmoil because I know my ex will not respond well and in fact he may not even come inside if he sees Jason’s truck in my driveway. But at the same time I don’t think I should have to sacrifice my need for safety and security (both physical and emotional) by having him come into my home with me being either absent or there alone. I’m also angry that I even have to think about this stuff – it’s my house and my friends and I don’t need his permission! It’s exhausting.
How do you deal with controllling people and manage not to get hurt in the process? In this particular case, once the items are exchanged, I can take more steps to move on from the relationship, but I feel this is something I will encounter again as I have had partners with similar behaviors in the past as well.
February 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm #51526MattParticipantKelly,
His embarrassment is his problem… if you want Jason involved and he doesn’t, that’s not your problem either. Remember he doesn’t get to decide what you do, how you act, what you feel, or how you “should” behave. You could give him the option of Jason or the police, for instance. As he probably has a physical advantage, it is plenty fair that you bring support.
Consider that you have no obligation to try to be accomdating to what your ex says is “reasonable”. You’ve fallen for the whole “don’t be unreasonable” manipulation before, no need to make the same mistake again. Said differently, your ex may describe you in any number of ways, but his manipulations are like a kid having a temper tantrum… even so, it is better to protect your boundaries, trust your heart, and decide the way you want it to be, and do that. No need to be uncomfortable just because the ex says “this and that, so on and so forth”. You wanting a friend isn’t saying “you’re a monster”, for instance, its saying “I’m not comfortable being alone with you or having you in my house.” Which totally makes sense, is reasonable, and very usual. The hook “stop calling me a monster” is just another way of saying “you’re irrational”. Nope, what you say makes perfect sense to me, and I would do the same in your shoes. Why mess with it?
Finally, consider checking out a local women’s abuse survior support group or organization. Its very plausible that you might have some residual goo to wash off from his hooks. You’d be surprised at how long those manipulative hooks can stay in if you don’t identify them and toss them aside. All that invalidation does terrible things to self esteem, so it might be nice to relate to some others that have been through similar things. Congrats on breaking free, dear sister, I hope you find some peace.
With warmth,
MattWith warmth,
MattFebruary 22, 2014 at 7:10 am #51540AnyoneParticipantKelly,
I have been in similar completely manipulative relation for 6 years. I can understand your mindset at this point of time.
Let go the fear that he has planted in your mind.
It’s better to deal with such ex; by being practical and talking plain sense. It used to break my ex; into day dreaming like…OMG now what to do? He would still try to manipulate.Anyways…
Only thing I would say is in all your communications with your ex, please be very practical, calm, straight-forward. When we fear, it makes space for manipulation.
When you become strong and show strength; you will notice things falling in place.
Love n Light to you!
February 25, 2014 at 8:52 am #51720WillParticipantStick to your guns. He can send Jason or a man-with-a-van to get his stupid bed, or he can sleep on the floor.
If he calls you unreasonable, just say, “yes, I’m not going to be reasonable about this. I don’t want to see you, I don’t want you in my house, and that’s how it is. I’m sorry if that makes you feel bad. So, when’s the van man coming round?”
His emotions (about being treated as a monster or whatever) aren’t your responsibility. It’s your house. If you don’t feel comfortable with him there, you don’t have to let him in. Simple.
(Aside, is this the actor?)
February 25, 2014 at 12:35 pm #51737KellyParticipantThanks to the three of you for such great, thoughtful advice. I think the women’s abuse survivor support group may be a good idea if I’m unable to get past this on my own. My only reservation would be that I did not suffer any physical abuse or anything to the degree that other women who utilize those services go through. I wouldn’t want my presence to be an insult to women who have “real” issues.
I ended up texting the ex to ask when he was thinking about coming by to get his things. He told me he could come by at a specific time. I did not agree to it, but thirty minutes before that time he texted to say he was “on his way”. I considered telling him no, or not answering the door when he arrived, but a large part of me just wanted to get this behind me so I let him come in and get his things, including the stupid bed (lol Will). It was uneventful, versus the scenario I had built up in my head, and he was on his way. Though he did leave in heaving sobs which pulled my heartstrings. I appreciate the validation and support in telling me to follow my heart/stick to my guns. Perhaps I should have, though honestly I am relieved to have it done and not hanging over my head anymore.
Since then, he has texted me some condescending, manipulative and controlling type messages but I did not take the bait. I simply told him I didn’t wish to engage. He threw some more angry words at me but I did not respond.
And yes, Will, this is the actor. The same guy I wrote about in another post as well. Needless to say, this relationship has been a challenge for me to leave behind.
February 26, 2014 at 12:54 am #51809WillParticipantYes, I can see that.
I think you did all right, and you seem to be handling this well. Trust in yourself, and carry on, sister.
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