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    AJ
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    I’ve come here to pose this question because Tiny Buddha has been a place of healing and understanding during the past two years of my life while I’ve been in a very crucial transition. I’m not going to go into full detail about this transition but one aspect of it has been to take a close look at the people around me and evaluate if they are a positive or negative influence. One of these relationships, my very best friend for over 8 years, who I’ll refer to as “John” moving forward, is a narcissist. I’ve known John since he was 17 and I was 19, 8 years later we are 25 and 27 respectively. I didn’t realize John was a narcissist until recently when I started doing research into the topic. Some of the descriptions and traits associated with narcissism are word for word how I would describe John; it was frightening how accurate some of the descriptions were.

    I lost a part of myself in recent years and it lead to a deep depression and a lot of wrong choices. It turns out that part of the reason I lost a sense of myself is because someone else was suppressing it and I didn’t even know it. Whenever I tried to better myself I was met with disapproval. Something as simple as picking up a new hobby such as reading novels was thought to be pedantic or trying to learn the guitar was believed to be an attempt to prove myself as some how superior. I was being suffocated and I didn’t even realize it until recently when I had the opportunity to leave the country and take a vacation of sort from “real life”.

    I was a confident person before meeting John but after constantly feeling the disapproval of my friend and being called arrogant for something as simple as attempting to dress well, I gave up on appearances. If you were to look at John today, you’d see who I was before I met John and if you were to look at me you’d see who John was before we met. That being said, I’m on my way back to who I was, I won’t be bullied into submission anymore, I have to do the things I love and be the person I am, I can’t suppress that any longer.

    John has shown no signs of wanting to improve. Even now when we speak, perhaps once every month or so on the telephone, he’s entrenched himself firmly in the past and constantly brings up the person who I use to be and the decisions I’ve made. I believe he sees that I’m attempting to change and constantly reminds me that change isn’t possible and that everything is as I left it. A lot of my thoughts are coalescing as I write this out, I think the answer is clear but I may not want to see it. I’d like to get another unbiased opinion on the matter to better help me understand.

    The question I wanted to ask is what do I do about John? We’ve been friends for a long time, the research behind narcissism suggest that it’s a lost cause but Tiny Buddha and the people here have taught me the meaning of understanding others and accepting people for who they are. Yes, John is a narcissist and it may turn out that since our relationship dynamic is going to change dramatically he will move on himself but I don’t want to give up on my friend, someone who I consider a brother, without first making an attempt to improve the relationship. I’m confused; I don’t know what to do here. Should I cut my losses and move on or confront John about all of this and make an attempt improve things?

    • This topic was modified 9 years, 5 months ago by AJ.
    #79342
    Anonymous
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    Hi there,

    Well from personal experience some people can change over time and evolve in a matter of 6 months to 1 year. Just depends on the individual and their circumstances. The only way to find out is by talking to each other in person and then discussing how you two can improve & re-kindle your relationship again. It’s really nice to see that you really value your relationship to want to improve it by making things better. I’ve always been that way in relationships, I’ve always been a firm believer of sitting down and talking to each other about how to fix & improve a relationship. The important factor of course, is the person you love willing to want to sit down and talk with you to save your relationship. Some people choose to not want to communicate or make things better, so then WE have no other choice than to turn around and walk away. We can only hope and stay positive for a better outcome some day.

    I send you a lot of positivity & light!

    E.

    #79358
    Kate Ryan
    Participant

    On this 4th of July weekend i came into contact with some extreme pain for my heart and soul. I had felt a bit of disconnect from my boyfriend of 9 months for the past week, nothing major just a little bit of boredom maybe. I knew his phone was dead so i decided to leave him a voicemail telling him how much I loved him and so on. Knowing his phone wouldn’t be charged until morning i went to bed thinking of the possibilities that were open for our relationship. Waking up i had no messages and i knew something was wrong. We talked all day and I am not sure how it came up but he said he was seeing someone else and he was with her right then. He then proceeded to dump me and tell me he was moving to Idaho. This morning i woke to see a picture on social media with him and this girl cuddling on the couch and saying their I love you’s and it was during the time we were together. I am completely heartbroken. I lost a man that I loved and she won and he moved to Idaho today.

    #79412
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear kateryan:
    I am sorry for your heartache over the loss of your boyfriend, over his choice to be with another woman. I do hope you grieve this ache and move on when you are ready…. And find love elsewhere.
    anita

    #79435
    Kath
    Participant

    Hey!

    I think that you can’t change someone. However, you can offer them insights that might inspire them to change. That means: Talk to your friend. Make very clear how his behaviour and things he says make you feel, and that it makes you uncomfortable being around him – being constantly judged and criticised is something you just don’t need in your life, and as a friend he should trust you and support you in pursuing things that make you happy. If he really thinks something is wrong he can let you know that in a nice and constructive way.
    Don’t give him your “diagnosis”… you are not a therapist and if he really is a narcisist, he will probably not be able to accept it anyways.
    You will know by his reaction whether your friendship has a future. Maybe you are important enough to him that he reflects his behaviour and tries to make changes (which will still need a while, and frequent friendly reminders when he falls back in to patterns…)

    Good luck!

    Dear kateryan: I’m very sorry to hear you’ve been treated so badly! You might want to share your story in an own thread, so people who have been through the same can find it and give you support!

    #80047
    Aspen
    Participant

    AJ ~ First of all, kudos to you for caring enough about your friendship to want to save it; that says a lot about you as a person and a friend.

    I’m not an expert, but I’ve done TONS of research because I have determined that I’m currently in a relationship with a narcissist, and am in the midst of trying to find the strength to break it off. I found your entry to hit home, because I, too, am in the midst of trying to find the strength to end it; and am looking for external advice although I know in my heart what I need to do. From what I’ve learned, everything you wrote screams that John is a narcissist. Be thankful that you were able to “diagnose” it, because they have a way with messing with your head which makes you question everything (if you haven’t done so already, Google the term “gas lighting” as it relates to narcissists – very interesting and therapeutic!).

    Remember that narcissists are very magnetic, strong, and manipulative people. There is a reason you were drawn to him in the first place; they are great at drawing people to them. But then they fulfill their soul by damaging yours; is that the kind of person you want in your life?

    Also realize that it is almost uncanny how, as soon as you find the strength to start to end the relationship, they sense it and do whatever they can to reel you back in. You must remember it’s not because they care about you as a person or your friendship; they care about nothing but themselves and what you have to offer them. They find empowerment in the power they have over you, and if you start to pull away that’s a direct threat.

    I had a friend that gave me some great advice after I wrote her an email that sounded a lot like your letter. I have two young nieces that I love more than anything on earth; and my friend said, “Read that letter again and pretend it was your niece writing to tell you about the relationship she’s in….what would you tell her?” Of course, when I imagined it was my beloved little angel in this relationship and writing these words to me for advice, I would scream “GET OUT NOW!” But when it’s me, it’s not so easy. For some reason, it’s so much easier to protect those that we love than it is to protect ourselves. Read your letter again, and pretend it’s a dear friend, a sister, a brother, someone you care about….what would you tell them?

    And, as another friend said: In a way, it doesn’t matter whether he is a narcissist or not. It doesn’t matter whether you can diagnose him. The bottom line is this: he makes you unhappy and he smothers your soul. Nothing else matters. He is a toxic person in your life, and you don’t need that. Just because you have a history, it doesn’t mean you need to continue to allow him to treat you this way. He served a purpose in your life at one time; now it’s time to close that chapter and move on.

    But, in a way, it DOES matter if he really is a narcissist or not; because “normal” people might be open to changing, and therefore trying to save your friendship would be worth your time and effort. But a narcissist will never, ever change. They don’t believe they need to; they see nothing wrong and even if they do, they don’t care. Everything I’ve read says that narcissists can’t be “fixed.” You said yourself that John isn’t open to changing and has no desire to improve. A classic symptom of narcissism, but again; bottom line is, it doesn’t matter. He doesn’t want to change. You’re not happy with how things are. It’s really that simple. And yet, as I know first-hand, it’s not. 🙁

    I think this paragraph that you wrote says it all: “I was a confident person before meeting John but after constantly feeling the disapproval of my friend and being called arrogant for something as simple as attempting to dress well, I gave up on appearances. If you were to look at John today, you’d see who I was before I met John and if you were to look at me you’d see who John was before we met. That being said, I’m on my way back to who I was, I won’t be bullied into submission anymore, I have to do the things I love and be the person I am, I can’t suppress that any longer.”

    You know what you have to do. I know what I have to do. It’s so hard to find the strength to yank off that Band-Aid; but once we do, we can then get back to the vibrant, strong, incredible people we both were before our narcissists tried to smother who we are meant to be.

    Good luck, and thanks for sharing your story.

    #80118

    Hello♥ Congratulations, beautiful. I am sorry you have to deal with that, but alas I am proud that you want to keep the friendship going. No one is perfect but I am glad you didn’t give up easily on John and walk away. What matters is that you both openly talk out your feelings. However in the years to come if he chooses to be narcissist again and keeps coming back to the past remember that you don’t belong there anymore. Focu on your personal growth as a person but remain kind to John. If John is narcissistic again..sometimes its better to let go if people cause you more suffering than good or positivity. All the best to you hon . love light and blessings.- Sincerely, ♥ Eleni

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