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February 9, 2018 at 11:05 am #191717Jenny LynnParticipant
Okay ttyl.
February 10, 2018 at 6:43 am #191771AnonymousGuestDear Jenny Lynn:
I just finished re-reading and studying your posts for a few hours. I want to offer some potentially helpful insight into you, that is why I am doing this. Following is a bit of a summary and quotes from your various posts. After the quotes there will be my input, my understanding.
From your original post, Nov 15, 2017: You and Glen met Nov 2015 and started dating Nov 2016, in committed relationship since Feb 2017 (just celebrated your first year anniversary), and moved in together April 2017.
You started dating Glen a month and a half after you ended a relationship with John (Oct 2015-Oct 2016). You started dating John after you ended your relationship with your boyfriend at the time (the one before John), that boyfriend forgot your birthday. (“lol so there wasn’t much to get over… I dried my little tears”). You date one man at a time, being loyal to the man you date.
You and John got along, had maybe three arguments in a year, not serious arguments but he did not want to commit to you.
Once you and Glen started living together, April 2017, you argued a lot. Glen displays “thoughtfulness, consistency, not afraid of commitment, punctual, spoils me”, but is also “very irritable, argumentative, thinks he knows everything, has extremely high expectations of me”
With Glen … you became like John, uncomfortable with commitment.
Last September was your birthday and Glen “basically didn’t do anything for me” and the next day he broke up with you in the middle of an argument about you going out to dinner with a best friend, I.E., who “wanted to do something nice for me for my birthday”. Glen “has a really bad temper… He doesn’t hit me or cuss me out or anything… I want my space back… my problems.. (are) mostly the result of living together before we should have”.
You wrote that Glen “has always had a large attachment to me… crazzzyy in love with me now… He loves every inch and speckle on me. But sometimes I feel like he wants to steal me rom the world… He takes care of me, he would do anything for me.
He admitted to you that he didn’t do anything for your birthday “to spite me for something I had done earlier that week”
You suggested to Glen to live separately but still date. He refused. “If we aren’t together he will literally never talk to me again. Period. Straight up.” Glen is “Pressuring me, nagging at me. Putting me in a position that I may not be ready for. Now I see what that can do to a person… because there’s a great person standing in front of you that you don’t want to lose but you also want to be true to yourself… Pressure makes me resent you… Glen doesn’t see just like I didn’t see how what he does affects me and our relationship. He doesn’t see why I want him to move out and have my own space again”.
From your Nov 16, 2017 post: “I am an unhappy person with a mostly good life. Which is sad. I do have functioning depression…I live and pay my own bills. I have a good job for someone my age (24) no kids an okay family. Fantastic friends.” You wrote that last time you were without a boyfriend was in Feb-July 2014. At that time you “Got on a nice food workout regimen, did some heavy reflection on myself & I lost weight… was moderately as happy as a depressed person could be… I was okay.
“Now I have a car, more money, I graduated from college and now I feel burdened… I apply unnecessary pressures to myself”
“… growing up my birthday was never really a special thing. It was ‘acknowledged’ but I never had birthday parties growing up…My family usually throws a dollar bill at any issue truthfully. They really don’t care about your feelings… I don’t have a very close relationship with anyone in my family…I really don’t have a person that I can turn to in my family and be transparent with…I just kind of felt like my birthday didn’t matter.”
“…I was alone a very large majority of my childhood… I really need my personal space is something I have learned… We discussed it and now he is okay with just leaving me alone for a little when I need my space.”
You wrote: “I like to keep the stories of the things that happen to me light because honestly if I told them for what they are it could get pretty dark. And even being a depressed person I am still a good time. I hate being a downer if I can help it… so I joke.”
Nov 20: “being what someone thinks about all day everyday. The most important thing in someone else’s life. Literally it’s like his entire world revolves around me. That’s just something I’m not used to I guess. I’ve never been anyone’s #1 before.”
Nov 30: “I love everything about him (other than things that ricochet from his temper). I love his smile, his laugh, his sense of humor, love that he can listen to me ramble about nothing, I love his sense of style… I love his goals.. I love how considerate he is… I love how he looks, I love how smart he is… I love how in shape he is.. I love his ‘natural’ eating habits, I love that we relax the same.. I love that he wants to take care of me (even if financially speaking that will be in the future), I love that he is original, not a stereotype… I love how he cleans and doesn’t just think that’s my job… I love how I know he loves me however….even if I don’t.”
Feb 6, 2018: “Things have been going well. A few arguments here and there but nothing huge. He’s reduced his level of dramatics and I have increased my understanding of them… He apologizes for his actions now… We have been good lately really been connecting… I’ve been involving him more in my day… I can tell that it really does make him feel good”.
Nov 7: “I think what I really need is to get a handle on not letting how he is feeling get to me and alter my mood too. Like his mood lately… realllly wearing on my nerves. Because at the same time I understand his frustrations. It’s always annoying when someone complains about a situation they could have avoided if they’d just done more”
“…(Glen) wasn’t bringing in any income. From the first week of Dec until about 2 weeks ago he didn’t have a job… it was his fault… As of late it’s like every third thing that comes out of his mouth is a complaint, moan and groan, then complain some more… His moodiness comes off as so spiteful to me… bad attitudes are contagious. Today he woke up in some silly mood.
…My mom has always been a shot caller in her relationships. I’ve never known her to attach her being to a man. She lives for herself. And here my ass is just cannot resist the urge to want to feel loved by a man or get something idk what I’m searching for”
“… I know in my head, truthfully I am a extrovert, I am just depressed. I am the life of the party, 97.5% of people like me… But its been so long its hard to see I forget sometimes and then I see something like a old photo of myself and I just am like ‘hey! I liked her!!’
…I have probably been depressed for over 10 years… as a kid… my home life was so muted… Back in 2015/16 it just took over me and it never let up; it’s been 2 years basically now… now I have gained almost 100 lbs from losing 80… my energy levels plummeted, I won’t leave the house for days at a time if I don’t have to.”
Nov 9: “my ability to not harp on the negative… from my childhood. ‘Nobody likes a complainer’, especially when there is no change in motion… I hate being a downer…. I don’t feel good enough mentally to exist with my friends and other people and offer the same energy as I used to; just fun and carefree… I am clearly not ok.
My input: Little Jenny Lynn, the baby, the child, was not born any more extroverted than any other child. You became extroverted as an adaptation to that muted home life, one where your feelings didn’t matter to anyone, not any negative feelings, that is. You became the life of the party as an adaptation to a lonely life.
Your mother did not only not “attach her being to a man”, she did not attach her being to her little girl. You wrote that “she lives for herself”. She lived for herself when you were a child too. And she wasn’t there part of the time when she was in prison.
What could Jenny Lynn do in that home life, where she was alone with her negative feelings? Minimize them, hide them. Expressing her negative feelings (hurt, sadness, anger) brought disapproval, after all.
To gain approval meant to not express those feelings, to ignore them best you can.
As humans we crave to connect to people. Your way to connect was to not be a downer, to be extroverted, the life of the party. To be fun to be with.
Problem is we cannot make those feelings go away, the hurts, sadness, anger, fear. And so the extroverted behavior cannot sustain you, cannot eliminate those feelings, as those feelings will persist in making themselves known to you. They will not be muted.
I don’t know how much Glen complains, if he complains excessively. Maybe he does. But I am thinking that you are as troubled as you are when he complains because it was always a no-no for you, something you were not allowed to do. It angers us when someone does what we needed to do and were not allowed to do. You were not allowed to voice your negative feelings. You were muted.
Your extroverted behavior has been your way, since early on, to in-mute yourself. Problem is, to in-mute yourself, you need to express those hurt, sad feelings inside. They need to exit you, that hiding place in you.
You did not live with a man before, I don’t think, at least not with a man who loves you, who has you as his priority. When you hide your negative feelings from someone who loves you, it so happens that you don’t only hurt yourself doing so, but the person who loves you also gets hurt. Because he loves you.
Not being loved, not being cared for, not being anyone’s priority is what you are used to and what you adapted to best you could. The ways you adapted to that childhood experience is not working in the context of a loving relationship.
I hope Glen is the right man for you, the right place for you to express those negative feelings to, to… complain a bit. It may be very helpful for you to attend quality psychotherapy so to bring those feelings out of hiding and process them.
There are people who complain as a way of being, and it is a downer to others. I am not suggesting you take that extreme, nor do I think it is likely, not at all. I am suggesting that these feelings need to be voiced, acknowledged, accepted, processed.
I may have more thoughts. Let me know what you think, after reading all this.
anita
February 11, 2018 at 7:04 am #191861Jenny LynnParticipantWow all that crunched into one passage is a lot of feeling all at one time.
I am seeing the idea you were outlining.
So I guess that’s what I do next. I’ll look into that.
February 11, 2018 at 9:19 am #191877AnonymousGuestDear Jenny Lynn:
I hope you post again and let me know what you see, looking into things and how life is for you. I hope your depression lifts, that your relationship improves, that the two of you help each other. There is a lot of promise when two individuals are committed to help each other, to operate as a team, committed to a Win-Win relationship, long term.
anita
February 11, 2018 at 11:34 am #191839OmniParticipantI recently left a very toxic relationship of 2 years. When I met my boyfriend he came across as very calm and ready with himself kinda guy. That was what attracted me. As time went by I started to see signs of insecurity with him intending to suppress me with silence. He did not respond to my messages until hours later, when we had arguments he shut down all communication and went for a walk for hours. Eventually I was the one who apologised who ever hurt who and I tried to make everything ok again. This of course took a toll on my self confidence and my energy levels hit rock bottom. What I would also would like to mention is that Im a very strong and confident woman who can manage life by myself, meaning Im not in “need” of a man but instead I would like to share my time and life with someone. However as this relationship progressed it diminished and broke me down. In the end I was not able to see this clearly and I wear only occupied and concerned with fixing us instead of me. The turning point came when he one weekend totally shut down all communication after a big argument and texted me saying he needed time to think. This was 10 hours after I tried to call and text him several times but by then I was a emotional wreck. That weekend I started to google, “Toxic relationships”, “Is he good for me?”, “men with problems to communicate” and so on.. I read for hours and all of a sudden I realised.. I NEED TO TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY of what happening in my life. I let him treat me bad, I let him suppress me. I was responsible for allowing him to treat me bad. I broke up the next day and I don’t think I need to ad how I feel now, but I will anyways. I feel blessed, grateful and strong again. Leave him and do not contact him! Show him and rest of the world your true strength and inner beauty. With love
February 12, 2018 at 9:30 am #192039Jenny LynnParticipantHi Anita!
I will be back to let you know my progression.
🙂
February 12, 2018 at 9:57 am #192043Jenny LynnParticipantI see what your saying, sometimes I do find myself in thought wondering what my limit is, and is it him that pushes me there?
The one thing that really did catch my eye within your post was you said you searched “Is he good for me” I find myself in thoughts of constantly trying to differentiate between “someone who is good to me..someone who is good for me”?
I still have no answer to that.
I was recently watching this Oprah interview with her and Reese Witherspoon and they talked about basically the levels in which you allow your lines to be crossed just because a person doesn’t physically do something to you.
Sometimes I do feel like I allow him to bring me out of character because what he does is tapping on over the line. Sometimes I do feel like I say sorry more than I really should or have to chock up a grievance of mine up as a loss to just keep the piece.
Another thing you said was about how you were so focused on fixing the two of you that you no longer had energy to consistently focusing on yourself.
He has asked me, what would I do if I didn’t have to project my energy towards us. I told him in half a second no hesitation; my health.
I gained a lot of weight and its not that I can’t lose weight and live a health lifestyle with him. Its just that I need a consistent positive environment to produce change. His wishy washy moodiness stifles that. Because I care for him so I absorb his mood and usually he is mean when he’s mad so that usually ends up making me upset, angry, what ever and I no longer can focus on what I need to have a efficient complete day. Like if for 2-3 days straight you are eating healthy, getting in your water, enough sleep, good sleep, no stress, then BOOM he’s mad on Thursday he manages to drag it out long enough that when you get home now you don’t want to cook. Or you argue for hours now its 12am and you don’t get enough sleep. Or even just the general stress that comes with waking up in the space of someone with a attitude.
Thats a very frustrating quality: How dedicated he is to staying upset. Or at least that is what it seems like to me.
In my head I literally don’t have the time to stay mad over an hour…2 tops. But he can literally stay mad for days if I let him.
In our relationship I would say of 100%
35-40% conflict (down from 60-55%) and of that 35-40% I would say 80% of that are things he is upset about.
With his 80% I would say only about 30% of the time he will say what you did to actually upset him.
Overall, typing this his communication level is just novice. He literally says “Talking doesn’t solve anything/ Talking doesn’t mean anything/ Words mean nothing” etc.
- This reply was modified 6 years, 8 months ago by Jenny Lynn.
February 12, 2018 at 9:58 am #192045AnonymousGuestCome back anytime, Jenny Lynn. It is always a pleasure for me to read from you.
anita
February 12, 2018 at 10:08 am #192055Jenny LynnParticipantAnita you know were buddies now. 🙂 Of course I’ll be back. Look at me I’m here now.
You can read my above passage?
I feel like if you think he was Toxic or emotionally abusive you’d probably have said something by now tho.
February 12, 2018 at 10:15 am #192057AnonymousGuestDear Jenny Lynn:
No, I don’t think he is toxic or emotionally abusive to you, not at all. Maybe it would be better for you if you lived alone, that may be, but not because he is abusive. But because it may work better for you.
Even better would be if the two of you can work like a team, the Win-Win team I mentioned earlier. That will take a different attitude from the two of you, and working together.
Reads to me that you love him (didn’t read from you about John for a long, long time, by the way, and that is fine with me!) and that he loves you.
You mentioned weight- he gained some weight and so did you, correct? Well, this is something you can work on together as a team.
anita
February 12, 2018 at 10:53 am #192063Jenny LynnParticipantOkay yeah I understand.
Anita…….
I think you have a pretty good understanding of my logic. SO! the fact that you think me and Glen are compatible is great and he is ok and I am ok is also GREAT. I am glad that a person who I can speak openly with knows the majority of issues we have & can leave me with an optimistic opinion on that topic.
But what if…I hadn’t told you everything he does….
I don’t want this share to seem like self sabotage…”Like do you want him cuz its seems like your trying to find a reason to keep talking about it or him”
I just want to be honest, so that your opinion is actually backed by what really goes on. Because even though I read your opinion like “yeah that’s great” in the back of my mind I think well would that change if she knew ____. Its like If I speak it into existence and you tell me something I don’t want to hear…Then it will be true and it will be that; immediately I will be responsible for the position I am in.
I don’t know… its scary. But its scarier to feel like I don’t know what is “Ok” or I cannot decipher it thru him.
I would like to tell you these couple of other things that Glen does. I would hope you would say that you still feel the same way about it or give me some insight on ur opinion about them…but I am fearful that you will say, what I say is not okay and I have either absorb that and live with that or do something about it.
February 12, 2018 at 11:27 am #192065AnonymousGuestDear Jenny Lynn:
Tell me what it is, I will take it in slowly and think about it, not rush to judgment.
anita
February 12, 2018 at 12:08 pm #192071Jenny LynnParticipantHe has been going thru my phone lately trying to find stuff to bait me into conflicts. Like I am sure he hopes he doesn’t find anything but for example the other day he had looked thru my phone. I had company at the time so I don’t really know what he was doing but the next day I was on snapchat. (hopefully you know what snap chat is) and he looked over at me and said “Oh shoot I got to make sure I look to see who is watching your snap. Use that for comparisons”
Also I saw Leo in my search history on Facebook messages and I didn’t do that. So I know he did, I guess looking to see if he had contacted me since the Sunday before last at dinner when he saw me.
He woke me up in the middle of the night asking me questions and stuff about a dude which in 80% sleep, I barely remember the questions but it ended up being about Leo. He looked thru my phone and saw I searched his page on Facebook. He got mad and asked me why I looked him up. I said just because, no reason, I am just nosey I guess. Nothing more, nothing less. He was pissed though
I bought a bathing suit over the summer because I needed a new one the others were too small right. This was prob July. I went swimming at my friends house and then a month or so later me and him went out of town and I was looking for the bathing suit while I was packing and couldn’t find it. Now I am not the most organized closet keeper so the fact that I couldn’t find wasn’t weird it was just annoying so I said screw it. We went on the trip and I told him about it and he was just as “oh crap” about it as me. But then probably 2 months later I was looking in my closet. I was looking for these pens that I knew were in this box I had from my previous job that I put my old desk things in. I Hadn’t had this job since June so no reason for me to be in there right….The bathing suit was in there.
I had a condom box on my side of the bed and one day he got mad at me and hid the condom box and then didn’t answer his phone for 1-2 hours.
I told him the day that me and him started dating and being in a relationship in the midst of a argument. He also asked when me and John broke up I told him. Its been over a year Anita so I remember never seeing him again. He goes thru my phone and get in my friends messages looking up guys names he knows I know. John comes up in a message with a friend of mine a month after I broke up with him saying “Sitting here with John, wyd” to my friend. This unfortunately for me was after the date I had just told Glen I didn’t see him again. I had to think about it like WTH I don’t remember that. After I thought about it though, me and John broke up over a phone conversation. We didn’t speak for a month and then after a month I don’t remember who hit up who but; we decided we needed to have a conversation in person about what happened. That’s why I was there. We talked about what happened. Established we were not getting back together and I did NEVER see him again. Now keep in mind I said “SITTING here with John,…not sitting on John, not laying with John.” You get my point! and my next message was “But he isn’t about to take up too much of my time so what you want to do.”
his reaction to this is to just read the first message and call me a liar. But to me it was like, a lie isn’t a lie if I didn’t know it was a lie. But furthermore WHY DOES IT MATTTTTTER! I had know him for 2 weeks the last time I saw John. I had no loyalty to him. I barely knew him. He says oh well you shouldn’t be saying dates if they not true. Fair enough…But he brings it up when it suits him…
I have a really old Ipad. 2012 generation with ALOT of old memories that happened to be broken/frozen for the past 6 or months. Well I fixed it and per this example… Me and Glen have had a interaction about a guy we are going to call Rick. Rick and me talked for a while. Rick really REALLY cared about me. He just did the wrong things and we just wasn’t meant to be. BUT we clicked like clack. It ended with a issue of course but, over all its good memories. Its just when you get to the bad ones. smh
So one day we saw him in a store…Rick knows not to speak to me per our last conversation. He speaks anyways I look up and I smiled and then realized I aint smilling at him! and just nodded and went back to what I was doing in the store. Glen asked who he was. I told him…..flash forward to Ipad.
I have photos and videos of me and Rick on there. He literally goes through all the photos on the Ipad and then proceeds to watch 2!!! 10 minutes videos of me and Rick that we used to make when we would hangout just making jokes and stuff nothing weird or gross. But he asked me if me and him did anything I said no we kissed 2 times. That’s it. I was 19 at the time and in these videos I was pretty intoxicated with the guy that I did in fact have a crush on. So Rick says something about “what else I can do with my mouth” I didn’t say ANTHING…I just stuck my tongue out. It was a JOKE! But! After a thousand photos, watching both videos and still watching he hears that… pauses the video and in a ahhahh! moment puts it down like “okay.” Almost like ‘my point is proven.’ Walks OUT OF THE HOUSE to now leave and go do something. I was LIVIDDDD! because I didn’t do anything and you’re just going to take that context of a video and a guy you don’t even know and now construct as if I am lying???!!! WHAT!! I was out done.
Sometimes he will comment on how many showers I have taken. Like straight up would get a attitude or question me when I take 2 showers in a day. That’s usually the quickest one to get past in conversation because I literally SHUT IT DOWN like we aren’t even having this conversation right now. I am a whole adult and after the second part of a inquiry about a shower I feel like I am getting questioned about my showers and we not doing that AT ALL!
Last thing is, I don’t know how, when, or why. I don’t know what the “line” is between checking up on and WATCHING someone. But I find that sometimes he just has more information that I remember giving him or didn’t give him at all. For instance the other day we were texting in the morning and he told me that “you didn’t move your car/you left your car” something. I was like “huh” based on what I know he knows. But THEN I realized that I left my car parked in a handicap at my job because I was bring in some food and forgot to move it.
Before that he has told me like “oh I usually don’t tell you when I drive by type deal.” I’ve went home early and not say anything and he will text me like he already knows that I am home.
At my other job I clearly remember these weird times where he would literally watch me. It would piss me off really because at this job I had to walk two blocks to the parking lot and it was Mid may-june. At the beginning I knew he was going to be downtown and as I walked out the building I looked over and I saw his car. I walked up we smiled, so cute whatever. Then I would get in and he would drive me to my car..nice right. Then it went from that to I would get out of the building start walking and he just appear when I am almost at my car and sometimes be mad I hadn’t called him yet. Or before he literally waited til I was in the car and turned out to pull up next to me and tell me I didn’t call him yet. When the phone would literally be in my hand about to while I sat at a red light 5 feet from the parking lot I had just exited.
Lastnight he said some crap about the locks. He left and locked the bottom lock on just the doorknob. There was a package so I opened the door and relocked it with both locks. I didn’t leave the house yesterday though I was busy baking for Vday. When he came in one of the first things he said was “whats up with the lock?” I was like what? He said “why you lock the deadbolt?” I said because it reflex…like I am not EVEN understanding at this point what he is insinuating. Girl! The package was part of his Vday present I had sitting on his side table when he came in. That’s when he spills it and says oh this is why the door was locked. *After opening and blah blah blah* he say oh where did you go to get this?. I was like Amazon it was the package we missed this morning. But in the back of my head I am like are you tracking when and when I did not leave the house by how many or which lock is locked when you get back because he knows I don’t pay attention to stuff like that. To then get to ask me about it to see if I lie or something? & SO! if I hadn’t had some reason to have had that lock-locked I.E the package I basically would have been a liar in his head. Because he is thinking I left.
Also in his head he thinks the Hunt situation on my birthday was cheating on him…(I’m interested in your opinion on that)
But yeah that it really. He doesn’t yell or call me names. It is more a silent treatment type of person when he is upset. But he does say some not nice things when I make him talk when he is upset. “Like I am wasting his time” a context of what does and doesn’t matter.
Oh yeah that reminds of the last thing; that honestly as far as just actions are concerned really makes me want to kill him sometimes in the moment (not really) but he hangs up the phone on me. Also can be associated with I guess walking away from me in conversation. When he feels like I am “talking in circles” or *enter* his definition of “time being wasted” he just hangs up the phone. Sometimes he will answer when I call back. Sometimes I have to call back a couple of times and I guess it annoys him so he answers. Sometimes he answers and then hangs up again…the conversation usually doesn’t last much longer after that because he is mad and so am I. But in person when he walks about it escalates into really long drawn out interactions. The gag is he hates when I talk for 2-3 hours and we go back and forth about both our perceptions….but you don’t find letting me say the end of my sentence for 30 seconds-1min was a ‘waste of your time’ so you walk away PROVOKING the actual true waste of your time which is about to be this 3 hours of words I have to talk at you.
So yeah. That’s it. I will be awaiting your response.
February 12, 2018 at 12:37 pm #192085AnonymousGuestDear Jenny Lynn:
I changed my mind. I am alarmed. The Problem as I see it is that he is Paranoid, as in a mental disorder, a sickness.
You can’t fix it with better communication or accommodating him. He has no logical reason to be paranoid with you, to suspect you, to spy on you, check on you… and no, you didn’t cheat on him. You are a sweet, loving, wonderful young woman who did nothing to bring this about. He was this way before you came into his life, paranoid.
So, you are living with a sick individual. Leave as soon as possible, is my suggestion. But do so carefully. You need someone to protect you as you move out. Even if you think he is at work, he may be watching you, so you need someone there when you pack and leave. It can be the police, you can call the police for this purpose. It can be someone else, but needs to be a woman, I guess, or a man who can protect you, someone legally carrying a weapon.
Talk to the police regarding getting a restraining order, so that he is not allowed to come close to your place of work or to anywhere you live.
My goodness, I did not expect myself to be typing this today. I am so sorry. What an unexpected turn, for me. I hope you write to me in the next twenty minutes or so, before I get off the computer. And I hope he doesn’t have access to this thread and website!
anita
February 12, 2018 at 12:50 pm #192089Jenny LynnParticipantOh wow! yeah I am here.
Oh my. Just…Oh….
I don’t really know what I expected you to say though.
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