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February 13, 2019 at 7:28 am #279995NicholeParticipant
Thanks Anita, I am going to much consideration before taking anything because it makes me nervous. They prescribed me the smallest doseage at 25 MG of Zoloft. My therapist doesn’t think it is a bad idea.
Ok so I was molested young from ages 5-13? From what I can remember and there are various different times that I remember. It wasn’t an ongoing thing. Since then I was always in communication with my brother. It was never anything I told anyone or spoke about. It’s as if it never happened. Again it wasn’t exactly forceful it was a manipulation. We have carried on a relationship all of these years. And through them after recent experiences and the awakening I am having I believe he held that power over me. I have always been a people please and feel like I tried to please him and his woman for the last ten years. I have slowly backed off. After recent events with my ex and learning about Narcissism things seem to make sense to me. I have been used and abused my entire life by multiple people and it hurts and I believe it is the reason for my current ups and downs. The trip came about because it normal for us siblings all to see each other. When I was in Florida and My older brother in Arizona and other here in Chicago we would make our rounds. So this is a routine trip and get away but this time my mind is so much different. I have been through so much lately. My heart has literally took a beating. My mind is confused and I am in pain. I am stronger as far as I am awake to the abusive and dysfunctional ways of people but am weak as far as where do I go with this info. According to what I have learned. There aren’t many if any non dysfunctional relationships in my life. It makes me so afraid and so hurt. I feel so alone. So I am trying to grow as a person but still salvage any bonds I can with family since in the end that is all we got. It is so hard and difficult.
February 13, 2019 at 8:41 am #280009AnonymousGuestDear Nichole:
“I am trying to grow as a person but still salvage any bonds I can with family since in the end that is all we got”- our need to be connected, to have social bonds is so strong that we are willing to void so much of ourselves so to maintain bonds. If it takes taking abuse, then be it. If it takes pretending there has never been abuse, we will pretend.
I imagine you going to AZ, sitting in your brother’s living room with his wife and your other brother and his girlfriend, some snacks on the table, light talk, feels nice. I imagine that I enter that setting and say to your AZ brother: so I heard you sexually abused Nichole on and off for years, many years.
I imagine that I will be an unwelcomed guest there and then.
If you said that, you will be an unwelcomed guest, gone all that nice bonding feeling, a bonding based on pretending nothing happened, the guilty is not accountable, the victim keeps her silence.
“It was never anything I told anyone or spoke about. It’s as if it never happened”, but it did happen and the pretending that it didn’t, keep your pain going and going.
anita
February 13, 2019 at 9:03 am #280015NicholeParticipantSo are you saying I should bring this up? What else are we if we are not connected? I feel very lonely. Last year I was in a “loving relationship” with a man whose family adored me. A huge family. I had my family back home, my mom alive. Yes my family with many dysfunctions but there for me. I was so naive and so happy back then. Now I feel awoke and alone and scared of the world and afraid to move at times. Sometime I feel it is better off to be naive. I miss that innocence. So much has been tooken from since last year. I often wonder why? Why is this God’s way for me. I’m not that religious but if there is a God, why would he want me so alone. I am too fragile to be alone right now. I need support and love and a hug. I need some one to love me without anything behind it.
February 13, 2019 at 10:04 am #280025AnonymousGuestDear Nichole:
You wrote: “Last year I was in a ‘loving relationship’ with a man… I had my family back home, my mom alive.. I was so naïve and so happy back then”- it is interesting how when we feel acute pain as you do now, we look back and see the past nostalgically, that is, as if it was good.
“I was so naïve and so happy back then” you wrote today. Let’s see what you wrote earlier:
Sept 26, 2018, regarding your mother: “I always felt that drugs came first than a man first. Our relationship always struggled”. Nov 26, 2018, regarding both your parents and older brother: “I have suffered from 2 parents with addiction, being poor growing up, neglected, sexual abuse from my older brother”. Aug 21, regarding your relationship with your ex in Florida: “I have been in a relationship with a man for 41/2 years and 3 years living together… I was.. an emotional wreck during our time together… In the 3 years living with him I was verbally abusive when we argued which was often”. Aug 28, regarding your older brother’s wife: “She has been around for 10 years and I am so over taking her condescending attitude… She hardly says thank you and nothing is ever good enough… She just never lets me be me.. I don’t want to deal with her. Last time I went to visit I exploded on her and that makes me look like the guilty one”.
See, you weren’t “naïve and so happy back then”, not when you were a child, not as you grew up, not in the 3 years you lived together with your ex, not when visiting your older brother’s home. It just seems that you were happy now because you are miserable and you make believe, once again, that there is happiness where there hasn’t been happiness but conflict and struggle.
“I am too fragile to be alone right now. I need support and love and a hug. I need some one to love me without anything behind it”-
-but you are not fragile, it only feels this way. What I mean by it is that you survived many years without what you need, what we all need. You can survive longer. Better not look for love where it is not. Better see reality for what it is. Pretending it is different, forgetting what it is, will not do you any good.
Healing is not about repeating the same old same old attempts. It is about giving up on what doesn’t work and attempting something new that has a chance to work.
Visiting your older brother and his wife is a bad idea. A modest hotel room in the quite scenery of the desert is a better idea (if you can’t get a refund for the plane ticket). You can arrange to see your older brother’s child if you are there, spend some time with her, but with her only, then leave.
anita
February 13, 2019 at 10:31 am #280035NicholeParticipantAnita, I cannot fully respond to what you said as I am getting ready at this moment to leave to airport. We have plans the entire time made up. We are having dinner tonight with everyone. We are going to an italian restaurant tomorrow for Valentines and then I was thinking hotel. We are going to a night place for my brothers bday friday and grand canyon saturday. These are things I want to enjoy. But I want personal space and boundaries as well. I appreciate your advice and I wish I would have come to you sooner but at this point so much is set up already. So what can I do? Do you mind if I continue coming to you during my stay? I am going to need some encouragement.
February 13, 2019 at 11:00 am #280045AnonymousGuestDear Nichole:
I didn’t know that your stay in AZ was so well planned, lots of fun activities, restaurant, grand canyon. I do hope the trip works well for you. It is very possible for it to be a positive experience for you. It can be fun, relaxing and an opportunity for you to learn.
Do keep in touch with me during the trip, I will be glad to read from you and reply to you, absolutely. Have a good flight and overall a good stay and learning experience.
anita
February 14, 2019 at 7:09 am #280137NicholeParticipantHi Anita, I arrived last night. So far so good. I held my boundaries and did what I had to for me. I do believe I need to get a hotel tonight regardless as to protect my peace. There is no telling when my brothers wife can bring the worst out of me. She has done it in the past and will do it again. I will say I am a little nervous still and just want a peaceful time. Now that I’ve been awaken to people’s behavior it is easy to spot when someone is projecting, manipulating or trying to get a rise out of me. It is very disturbing to know these are people’s intentions. It makes me afraid of the future. Sometimes my boundaries are so good but I do get exhausted always basically having a wall up.
February 14, 2019 at 7:51 am #280145AnonymousGuestDear Nichole:
I am glad you arrived to Arizona safely.
“Sometimes my boundaries are so good but I do get exhausted always basically having to wall up”- better for a person to not enter a war zone than enter it and defend oneself successfully.
It is possible to be around people who do not intend to “get a rise out of (you)”, possible to relax when you eventually believe that the person with you will not turn against you.
Yes, better stay out of war zones. Keep your eyes and ears open, pay attention. This is a great learning opportunity for you, now that you have been “awaken to people’s behavior”.
Post again anytime.
anita
February 14, 2019 at 1:54 pm #280203NicholeParticipantAnita, I am so sad. Sad this is a reality. Sad for the world. Sad to think of the responsibility I didn’t take for myself all of these years. Sad for all the time I people pleased instead of taking care of myself. The times I sacrificed my happiness for everyone around. Now so late in life I learn this. When I’ve wasted so much time. I could have a life, children and a spouse but instead wasted 5 years on a narcissist. On someone who according to research can never love me. I am so lost in life. I feel cheated and I feel hurt. I am sad with all that I am learning. Where does my life lead now? At times like today. Valentines, and given the last time I was here in AZ was with my ex and I feel like reaching out. Trying to salvage something. Maybe there is hope. Maybe we can talk. It’s been 4 months no contact and I feel alone in this world. I know it’s not the right thing to do but my emotions are getting the best of me. I’m sorry to be so all over the place but this is how my mind and emotions work these days. Always something new. Always a new challenge. Thank you for being the support I’ve needed at times.
February 14, 2019 at 2:46 pm #280211AnonymousGuestDear Nichole:
Waste is the norm, not the exception. I think that most people waste most of their time, youth, time, resources. Is this why you are “Sad for the world”, you understand that waste is everywhere, and everyone wastes, don’t you?
As you awaken more and more to reality, you will waste less and less, be an exceptional person this way. Don’t resist your sadness, let it be, after a while of letting it be, you will feel a new calm and a renewed resolution to make more sense of your life.
I will soon be away from the computer for the next 14 hours or so. Please be good to yourself, don’t make things worse by calling your ex. Pay attention to where you are, the people you are with, stay in the here-and-now.
I hope to read from you when I am back.
anita
February 15, 2019 at 6:26 am #280291NicholeParticipantHi Anita,
You are right. So much waste. It hurts to come to that realization. I look back at my life and see some good times yes so I cannot say it was a complete waste. I see my character build and I see love but never the love I craved from others or myself. I never felt good enough and never had my own identity. It hurts most because all of these years I’ve hated myself because I blamed myself for my failures and pains and all along I see I’ve had toxic manipulative people in my life. I understand my life is my responsibility but when you grown up in a dysfunctional family with addiction, poverty, verbal abuse, sexual abuse and many more what else do you know? I hurt because I’ve tried so so hard in life to remain good and true to my beliefs and they were wrong! I feel like I’m losing hope in morality and feel like I need to join the rest of the world in order to keep my peace. I got a hotel last night. Good idea but bad night. First off room was dirty upon entering. Had to wait one hour for house cleaning. Then I vomited my dinner. I believe the over eating I did and stress/pain caused this. Then to wake at 2 am to the pleasant surprise of my menstral which is 2 weeks too early!! This never happens. My body is exhausted. Tired of pain and confusion and not knowing where my life is leading and who anybody is any more. I know you speak of this calm sense of life but it seems far away. It’s like 2 steps forward and 5 steps back. Trying to enjoy the here and now and I think I will have a good day but it hurts to realize the toxicity in my family. The people I loved and trusted most my entire life are now people I’m afraid of right now. Afraid to be in their presence, afraid to be manipulated or judged. Hurts so bad.
February 15, 2019 at 7:48 am #280301AnonymousGuestDear Nichole:
There is a lot of sadness in realizing the waste of time and youth. But once you feel that sadness throughout, the sadness doesn’t feel overwhelming anymore.
Notice I suggested to you in my post yesterday: “Pay attention to where you are, the people you are with, stay in the here-and-now”. I did not suggest “Trying to enjoy the here and now”. The difference is that if you are with people who harm you, better not try to enjoy their company. Better pay attention and learn from the here-and-now so to make better choices in the future.
I imagine you enjoyed the Valentine dinner in the restaurant, correct? And you overate maybe because you wanted to enjoy more, so you ate more. But later you vomited that dinner. The joy of eating doesn’t make up for the misery of engaging in relationships that hurt us.
Do you think it is a good idea to make this visit to AZ the last one, for you?
anita
February 15, 2019 at 8:13 am #280309NicholeParticipantAnita you are so wise and so right but I continue to feel that family is all I’ve ever known. I don’t know where to begin a life without them and especially without my ex. I am truly alone. And for that I am sad. I don’t feel I deserve this feeling. I am not perfect, and I am sure I’ve hurt people along the way unintentionally but my heart is pure. I’ve given love when it wasn’t deserved. I’ve been a shoulder and I’ve given my all to family, friends, and men. Why do I suffer then with insecurities, pain, hurt, and doubt. I do think it is my last trip. At least for a long while. Dinner was ok, but definitely could have been better.
February 15, 2019 at 8:24 am #280315AnonymousGuestDear Nichole:
“family is all I’ve ever known”. And you experienced lots and lots of pain knowing your family, being involved.
Do you want to know something different, do you want a different kind of family, not the one you were born into, but one that you can choose?
anita
February 15, 2019 at 10:56 am #280341NicholeParticipantIs that even possible in 2019? I feel everyone is so corrupt. Everyone is selfish and out for themselves and this world forces you to be the same way. I thought I did find someone and a family that I chose and they betrayed me.
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