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January 2, 2017 at 12:24 pm #124355LookingForFriendsParticipant
Nina – Thank you so much for your insights. I have to admit, when I hear others talk about my situation as grave, I feel like maybe it’s too late, and there is not much I can do for the damage already created in my life. I hope not…I hope that something will finally click, and my situation will improve. Of course, if was too late, you would not have continued to write on improvements I could make in my life, so I am grateful for your input.
I would love to volunteer, and have had the desire to consistently do so. Maybe, now that I am going to begin peeling off my fraudulent layers and use less time hating myself…I can reach for achieving such a goal!
I thought that taking the blame for things that happened in my life was being admirable. But, the way you put it, that is the easy route to take. Certainly a different way of looking at things!
I thank you so much for your thoughts! Enjoy the new year!
January 2, 2017 at 12:31 pm #124356LookingForFriendsParticipantAnita – sorry, I did not define my thoughts of what a good person is.
Someone who helps those that are in need, are filled with wisdom, is friendly to all…even enemies, will go out of their way to help (like you have so graciously done), and is an example for their children…inspiring them to be the happiest they can be…but, showing them confidence so that they feel secure with me, and not afraid of this world. Ultimately, to leave this world by giving more than they took!
January 2, 2017 at 12:37 pm #124357AnonymousGuestDear needsomehelp:
As you found out, “fake it till you make it” didn’t work for you, did it? The technique, fake-it-till-you-make-it has its place, in moderation and in the context of a comprehensive process of healing. You want to appear confident, so here is how you can use this technique: when the church goer asks you how you are doing, do say: not well (if this is true) and “thanks for asking.” When you say “not well, pay attention to say it in a strong voice and while looking the person in the eyes. (instead of using a shaky voice and looking down). So you fake confidence this way, that is, by paying attention and directing your expression and behavior (voice and eyes)- but you don’t lie.
When you answer: ““I’m good and I’m happy to see you”- that is a lie. You are not fooling yourself.
When you attentively keep your voice strong and eyes straight, you are not fooling yourself: if you succeed, then you did those things: your voice was strong and eyes at the eye level of the person asking.
Regarding what defines you: lack of confidence does not define you because it is a result of injuries done to you as a child. You were confident BEFORE your confidence was taken away from you. Healing is about reconnecting with that child that you were, before. Confident, assertive and a “person with desires”, desires you forgot all about.
anita
January 2, 2017 at 12:59 pm #124358LookingForFriendsParticipantAnita – (and you can fill in my name as Russ)
What you have presented to me is fresh and never been brought to my attention before. You must find much joy in participating in this forum! I have read your responses several times…and still need to contemplate what you have presented. I find deeper understanding each time I read what you have said. I am certainly going to take what you’ve said to heart and try to implement these ideas as you suggest. As this technique will be quite new…I will definitely keep in touch to see how things in my life have changed…and maybe ask for more guidance as I live through these new experiences.
Wishing you much joy and happiness during 2017!
January 2, 2017 at 1:05 pm #124361AnonymousGuestDear Russ:
Thank you for your wishes. Post again anytime. Good wishes for you as well.
I just noticed your definition of a good person. You wrote that a good person is someone who is friendly, even to enemies. A person friendly to one’s enemy may be good but dead. So “turning the other cheek” – in great moderation, depending on the context (just like the fake-it-till-you-make-it idea).
anita
January 2, 2017 at 2:34 pm #124369PeterParticipantFunny, I’ve been thinking about learning some dancing…I love music, but feel so awkward when I attempt to dance to the beat…
If you want a activity where you get to practice learning not to take yourself too seriously and self acceptance – ballroom dancing.
Everyone starts out awkward but then if you persevere one day you realize your body always new how to dance.. it was always only the mind getting in the way. And isn’t that true of most of the things we do especially with regards to relationships?🙂
January 2, 2017 at 3:57 pm #124372sadgirlParticipantFrom reading some of your posts, you should like a very kind soul. You love your kids, would do anything for them, and that in itself is of great value.
Someone once told me about kids in high school, the popularity contest that always exists: everyone just needs to belong “somewhere.”
Where is your somewhere?And one thing that helped me from a conference: “what is your core issue?”
Are you really struggling with the past, and issues that are brought up? What is the “core issue?”
I believe I am much older than you, and I have NEVER had a good friend. My relationships are all about ME giving, ME compromising. Unlike yourself, I have absolutely NO FAMILY, and never ever will. And I NEVER “had it” either. I grew up something like an emotional orphan. NO ONE cared about me, who I truly was, and I was beaten up from the core of what I am.
BUT I am still hopeful, despite a lifetime of failure. I don’t want to give up. And yet , this whole holiday season, I have been basically “frozen”…the parasympathetic response, that tells you that you are still ‘stuck in the past’……..feeling as helpless as I did as a child. Despite being so much older.
From what you have said, I don’t see these type of deep issues for you: just a general lack of self confidence, and feeling maybe ‘different.’ One thing you could discuss with others is the love you have for your children. Just about everyone, can relate to that.
I hope you can find your core issues, and start doing some positive work for yourself.
You have been married, that is more than I can say for myself. And you have a relationship with your family.
These are good things.It is not easy to make friends as we age, and if you are only 37, that’s still old enough from my experience to make it harder. People get ‘busy’ as they age. And less engaged with meeting others.
Professionals just tell me to try to do things I like, and it will come in time. What I have found, is you can’t make anyone be your friend. And people do gravitate towards those that are “full” in themselves, have ‘enough’, and can give, and also, these types of people are “easier to be with”, since they don’t expect much from anyone.
There are people out there; but you need to figure yourself out and decide what ‘specifically’ you are looking for.
God bless you, and best wishes. Don’t ever give up…January 2, 2017 at 8:45 pm #124384DaveParticipantHey Russ,
First off I think one of the misconceptions you have is that you’re unique. That only you have these self esteem issues, and thoughts of worthlessness. When you look at other people you think they have their stuff together. They’re smart and confident and yada yada yada. Guess what? You’re wrong. EVERYBODY is insecure. Everybody hates themselves to some degree. The self help industry makes BILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year! BILLIONS! That’s not just a few people buying these books and going to therapy. That’s millions of people. So lighten up Russ. There’s nothing wrong with you. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE is imperfect and messed up. I say embrace your imperfection. That’s what makes you you. A great exercise that I think would really help you out is embracing your shadow. For a more in depth look at this I highly recommend reading the book “The Tools” by Phil Stutz and Barry Michels who are two therapists to big hollywood stars. What you do is take all the stuff you are hiding from other people, the stuff you don’t want people to know about you. All the stuff you hate about yourself. This is your shadow and we all have one. The problem is we are constantly trying to hide this part of ourself from others and are paranoid if people see it. Try to imagine what this shadow looks like to you. How you think others see you. For me it’s a super old, skinny, balding, weak, stupid, ugly, insecure awkward little man who constantly slouches. He’s also like five inches shorter than me. This isn’t what I actually look like but for some reason this is who I see myself becoming. And when people talk to me I think they’re seeing this person too. Normally we try to hide this weird, stupid person from others. But instead, look at it and create a LOVING BOND with it. Truly LOVE this part of yourself. Warts and all. Constantly visualize this shadow and smile and offer it love. When you are talking to people, or whatever, sense this shadow and feel this bond with it than feel the power of it becoming one with you. Not caring what people think about you. You love your shadow. This does wonders and you’ll sense this crazy power you’ve never had before. I did this in an intimidating job interview and it was insane! I basically took over. I became another person. The employer said he had never had an interview like that and offered me the job on the spot. Try it Russ. You’ll love it.January 3, 2017 at 5:55 am #124408LookingForFriendsParticipantThank you Peter – I just may take your word and look into such classes. I’m intrigued to find out more of the “space” that you speak of…and maybe I can understand it more when I experience it.
January 3, 2017 at 6:06 am #124409LookingForFriendsParticipantSadgirl (I hope one day that changes to happy girl!) –
Thank you for your thoughts. You bring up a unique point. Where is my somewhere. I specifically went through school and I made it a point to not get involved with any one group or clique. I thought that becoming a part of a clique meant that you would have to give up who you are to become accepted by that group. It just was never something I considered. So, now is this backfiring on me? Can I not find my identity because I did not commit myself to this “somewhere”?
I wish I knew who you were…I feel so bad for your circumstances. If I knew you…I would most certainly be a friend. Just one thought…you made it a point to reach out to me and help me. I don’t care how much of a failure you are. The mere fact that you extend yourself to help others more than most people in this world would do. To me, that is success!
As far as my core issue…I am incredibly SCARED out of my mind. I have these issues so I worry that I will lose my kids, lose my job, be alone forever, never find my true love, and never understand my career or craft. That is my core issue. Now I am torn on what to work on in the next coming months…removing the fraudulent layers of my life? Reading and implementing 365?
Much thanks for your input!
January 3, 2017 at 6:16 am #124410LookingForFriendsParticipantdavidlee – You are right. I have made up this image of myself and I believe that is what people see when they look at me. It’s an interesting thought to love this shadow.
A couple things that I have a hard time grasping: When you love and accept this shadow which is filled with such ugly thoughts of yourself, how does that give you power?
Also, usually in an interview, the last thing you want to show is what is contained in that shadow. Can you please expand how doing this during the interview made it go so well? Can you explain what you mean by “you took over”?
I want to try your technique, but feel that I need to understand it a little better to properly harness its power. Does the book “The Tools” explain all of that?
Thank you!
January 3, 2017 at 7:17 am #124413Nina SakuraParticipantDear needsomehelp,
I suggest you simply start 1 thing, whatever it could be and do it for next couple of months. Do something that requires your attention, makes you feel like you are doing something useful for yourself. You don’t need to make 40 big changes – work on 1 specific habit and really do it consistently, properly. Be really present and stick to it.
Make a note of the important points you have gathered here and think in narrow, short term of you what you do for tangible changes and the bigger, core issues that need deeper introspection such as your self image issues, your feelings of feeling doom about a future that hasn’t even happened. Understand your own anxiety better and start questioning your assumptions. Write down possible strategies and see what works for you.
I had started this process with an excel document when I was a bit better during a major depression phase with bucket loads of life long negativity. It’s been about a few years since that process started but I am making progress. I tried a number of strategies, took feedback from trusted people to cope better.
Taking blame isn’t admirable. There is a difference between blaming oneself and taking responsibility. The former is self defeating, the latter is empowering and action oriented.
I noticed every year I made similiar resolutions to be like this and that and then feel better about me. Oddly though, all I really needed was to fix my way of dealing with things and how I perceived myself and situations.
There is a long way to go but surely it can be done with right mind and effort.
Regards
NinaT
January 3, 2017 at 8:24 am #124415LookingForFriendsParticipantNina – Thank you so much for your contribution. I wish you continued success in feeling better about yourself!
I’m curious about the excel document. What did this contain? Were they different strategies? Were they your negative feelings? Would you mind explaining that portion of your post? It would be really helpful.
Your right about doom for the future. I have a saying that I wish I would abide by: When you worry, it’s already happened!
I really like your approach about taking responsibility rather than blame. That was a spot on response! I’ve learned so much already from you and everyone that has contributed.
Take care!
January 3, 2017 at 2:37 pm #124441DaveParticipantHey Russ,
Yes the book goes into detail about the shadow. The book has 5 tools to use and one of them is embracing your shadow. I think they call it inner authority. Definitely check it out. You can google “shadow Phil Stutz” and a bunch of interviews will come up about it if you want a little more info before getting the book. The other tools are even better and work really well with the shadow concept. As for my interview experience? I had this incredible confidence. We connected on a deeper level. He told me about his divorce and was still feeling the pain of it. He can see I wasn’t full of the “right” answers just trying to get a job. As a matter of fact he asked me some questions that stumped me. I looked him straight in the eye and told him I didn’t know. He felt my honesty. Than the interview went in the other direction. I felt I was the one interviewing him. After I told him everything I could do for his company I had him explain to me why would I want to work with him? He spent the next hour trying to persuade me to work for his company. By the way, I ended up declining his offer. I took another job making literally twice as much as he was willing to pay. Yeah, that’s the power of the shadow.January 3, 2017 at 2:39 pm #124442DaveParticipantOne more thing Russ,
It’s not about telling people all the things you don’t like about yourself. It’s about using the energy of connecting and loving this part of yourself. -
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