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July 26, 2017 at 1:36 pm #160372LucyParticipant
Hi,
i am someone who came from an extremely abusive home. My father was an abusive alcoholic/drug addict. He was physically abusive to my mother, brother and our dogs in front of me often. He did the most awful things. I have moved on from these memories and have forgiven my father even though I decided I never wanted to see him again when my parents divOrced. The last time I saw him, I was 16 and I’m now 30 and he died 3 years ago and wasn’t found for a long time.
however I am now suffering from memories of how I used to severely bully children when I was 8-10 years old just after we escaped my father. I was violent and very manipulative. I remember slapping a child at 5 years of age. These memories haunt my soul.
I am a consistently good person now and I have fought so hard for other people and done so much to redeem myself but it still doesn’t change the fact I have probably damaged some people. I have tried to find the children I bullied but can’t seem to as it was so long ago. I understand now that seeing abuse everyday obviously affected me greatly.
Now I have panic attacks if I see any sort of abuse on TV etc especially animal and child abuse. And then I think of how I inflicted my suffering onto others.
I have dark thoughts but feel I am strong mostly to get through it by meditation. There is still a voice in my head saying I have probably caused damage to others that they struggle with now.
Please help
July 27, 2017 at 4:29 am #160466AnonymousGuestDear Lucy:
Often abuse begets abuse, violence begets violence, unless interrupted. When you were abused you naturally got angry, wanting to fight the abuser. You couldn’t fight your father and so your anger found its expression at hurting other children. The abuse, the violence found its way from your adult father to the children you attacked, passing along this way.
Children who are abused and do not harm other children, their anger has to find an expression and so it is expressed toward oneself, harming oneself, directing anger at oneself.
It takes having certain values to feel the anger and to not express it abusively. A value like do-no-harm. It takes having empathy toward other people to care to do them no harm. As a child, particularly a younger child, you didn’t have the time or space to develop values yet. And the fear of having been abused by a parent, as well as the anger, interfere with the perception of another person’s pain, that is, fear and anger interfere with feeling empathy for another.
The law as I know it provides some lenience to children who commit crimes for this very reason: children didn’t have the time or space yet to have the opportunity to develop values and the self discipline required to behave according to the chosen values.
Hoping you post again, to further communicate with you on this topic.
anita
July 27, 2017 at 4:17 pm #160652ElianaParticipantHi Lucy,
Please forgive yourself. You did not know what you were doing. Many children until about the age of about six have repressed memories. I remember once, my father told me he had to take me out of kindergarten and first grade and put me in a private school because I was bullied so often. I remember none of this. The memories repressed. The children that you bullied were probably so young, that they do not remember or have repressed memories.
I was then put back in a public school at the age of 8 years old, again I was bullied terribly. I won’t go into detail, but I remember most of it, what was said, violence, everything. Again, I was put into an Academy, my foster parents became so fed up with public schools not doing enough about bullying I guess I don’t remember all the details. We moved out of state, into a small town, I was 12 years old, considered the “smart” kid. If I did not share my homework answers with bullies at this new public school, they would steal my lunch, and make mocking remarks about me in the cafeteria, or take my books and write faces and mean things on them. They bullied others too. They took my lunch money or slammed me against my locker. I got very depressed. It was taken up with the principal and the bullies got expelled from school.
What I am trying to say, is that, these kids were most likely bullied after you. They may have been Too young to remember you. But many kids who get bullied, it usually doesn’t happen once by one person, it goes on.
All you can do, is forgive yourself. Ask God for guidance. Talk to someone if you need to. If someone was abused as a child, they learn from that, and do that to others. It is beyond your control, unless your parents took you to a professional counselor, but many parents don’t do this. Go easy on yourself, it’s all in the past, they have moved on, and most likely have happy lives and have forgotten. Forgive yourself.
July 28, 2017 at 10:04 am #160762LucyParticipantI just want to say thank you to both of you for taking the time to reply and be so kind.
I think the hardest part for me is because I work with children and I see how greatly they can be affected by negative energy. It’s almost as if I have the memories of someone else. Someone who was hateful. The strange thing is it never occurred to me I was doing anything wrong until one day it hit me when I was like 12. It was like a tidal wave of guilty realisation, I couldn’t eat, sleep and I was severely anxious. I remember my mum taking me to the doctors because she thought I was depressed. I was depressed, but through guilt from my own actions. I have never forgotten this intense feeling and anytime I feel guilty for something I remember this memory.
As a young teenager it was as if everything reversed and I couldn’t even hurt a fly. I became so sensitive and so terrified of upsetting anyone almost at the expense of myself. People sometimes take advantage of this and if they do I feel I deserve it because I have memories of causing harm to others.
I know now I should forgive myself, I just wish I could say sorry to the other kids. There’s one girl in particular who got it the worst. I saw her once as an adult and she looked sad and I immediately thought ‘I’ve ruined her life’
July 28, 2017 at 10:09 am #160764AnonymousGuestDear Lucy:
You are welcome. Can you locate the woman you saw who was a kid when you mistreated her?
anita
July 28, 2017 at 10:17 am #160768LucyParticipantDear Anita,
No, I have tried searching her name into Fb and things like that and nothing comes up. She no longer lives near where I stayed as a child.
I just pray I didn’t cause her problems growing up but the likelihood is I have. I remember several bad things that happened to me as far back as aged 3 and 4. Children were also cruel to me growing up. However I don’t think of them in any sort of negative way. I just hope its the same for her. I was very controlling as a child with my peers and this is probably because I felt so out of control at home. I understand all the reasons behind why I was this way but it doesn’t make me feel any better.
July 28, 2017 at 12:07 pm #160806AnonymousGuestDear Lucy:
Self forgiveness- the “self” in the term means only you can do it, only you can determine what it takes for you to forgive yourself, and as a result, to feel better. I forgave myself, eventually, when I decided that I earned it for being on what I call, the Healing Path, for as long as I have. Before that, I was not able to do so. I had the opportunity to ask for forgiveness- and I received it. I also made amends, gave plenty of money for psychotherapy, if the person chose to attend such. None of that helped me feel better, none of it earned me self forgiveness. Only the Healing Path did it for me.
My own healing earned me self forgiveness. I still wish I didn’t harm the person/s I harmed and would take it back in a heartbeat. I would climb the highest mountain to undo the harm I caused. I would climb a whole range of mountains. But I can’t undo it. And so, it finally makes sense to me- on an emotional level- to no longer punish myself for what I did.
anita
July 28, 2017 at 12:19 pm #160814ElianaParticipantYou’re welcome Lucy, keep us updated and post anytime.
July 31, 2017 at 3:04 am #161198LucyParticipantDear Annita
thank you for sharing your personal experience with me, I have been there on the healing path and this emotional torture I put myself through could cause me lose sight of what is important. Did you make mistakes as a child too? I make mistakes as an adult too but I am aware of them and I focus on learning from them, I would never intentionally hurt anyone.
Thank you so much everyone. This has helped. When I feel sad I will re read over the comments again.
July 31, 2017 at 4:06 am #161212AnonymousGuestDear Lucy:
You are welcome. You asked if I made mistakes as a child too. As a child I repeatedly hit my younger sister and I regret it very much. I hit her because I was angry; she did absolutely nothing wrong.
I wish I didn’t. I wish I could take it back. But I can’t. As I shared with you above, I eventually forgave myself. Interestingly enough, no one was able to release me from my guilt, only I was able to. I remember the moment I felt the pain over what I did, and enduring that pain without converting that pain to anger against myself. That happened only a year or so ago.
anita
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