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March 11, 2023 at 12:57 am #416092TeeParticipant
Dear SereneWolf,
You havenāt updated me about your health in a while. So, tell me the good news?
Still no good news unfortunately… I am going to see another doctor and look for other treatment options, because so far I had no relief š
Yes, I guess it was one of the reasons I felt more hurt even after reassurance, time and trust it wasnāt enough for her.
Yeah, and it might have even led you to believe that she doesn’t appreciate you enough, because nothing you said or did managed to convince her to open up to you and change her attitude.
We might even feel bad about ourselves for not being successful in “saving” our partner (I don’t know if this was the case with you?) Whereas in reality, their rejection doesn’t mean that we’re not good enough or not important enough, but it is the consequence of their own internal issues. And that’s something we can’t do much about if they aren’t willing to help themselves.
Because I talked to her after a while and I said Iām seeing a therapist, She was bit more enthusiastic about seeing the therapist again
Oh so she started seeing a therapist after you broke up, then she stopped, but now she started again, after you told her you’re seeing one too?
Okay so just a general question. Suppose we go out and take 10 random people and out of those 10 people what do you think how many would be loving themselves as they should?
Hm… hard to say. There was a study in the US, I think, where they said that around 50% of people are securely attached (which would lead to being an emotionally healthy, non-traumatized individual). In other parts of the world, with a more patriarchal society, I am assuming this would be less. I mean, this is just my assumption and I am no expert, so please take this with a grain of salt. But it could be that at least half of the people have some kind of childhood trauma.
But Iām also thinking itās could be like similar to comfort zone thing? Because Iāve mostly been with girls who had low-esteem so now I feel just more comfortable with them
Well, you spent 3 years being in a relationship that was very frustrating to you most of the times, but still you say it was a comfort zone. So perhaps being with someone with low self-esteem is still more comfortable than being with someone with healthy self-esteem, whom you’re afraid might judge you?
Or itās like a attraction thing low self-esteem attracts low-esteem?
Well, I think you had higher self-esteem (at least in some aspects) than the girls you were with so far. So you were the “savior” in the relationship, right? You were trying to fix them and help them. You had less problems than them, so to speak.
And it’s a pretty common dynamic. We’re often attracted to people whom we think we can “save”, people who are emotionally unavailable or troubled, but we believe we can finally turn them around. That all stems from our childhood and the dynamics with our parents…
Hmm no, I donāt think that way. I believe that weāre dating now because she chose me and I chose her, Thatās a freedom. I donāt care if some guy is trying to steal her from me. If heās able to steal her from me and actually do then congrats to him but I donāt like to compete when it comes to relationships. Iāll be just trying be myself. If she wants to be in, be in, or out, just happily out. For me itās like if someone one else capable of steal her from me, itās making my commitment decision easier for like now Iām sure youāre not the one.
That’s actually a healthy attitude. To not force things if she doesn’t want to be with you. But you said you still get possessive, even if you don’t want to be in a committed relationship (itās kind of my problem even though It was only a first date I did felt possessive so.. It happened to me a lot of times even though I donāt like to be committed I do get possessive quickly).
I guess it’s your protector part that says “If she doesn’t want me, I don’t want her either.” But your emotional part (your inner child) attaches quickly to her and wants her all for himself. So the possessive reaction seems like an inner child reflex in you. But the ego part says “no, I am cool if she doesn’t want me, I am totally fine alone”.
Haha yeah thatās right. I think nowadays Iām doing comparison and get jealous even though I donāt like it
And what should I do about this superior and inferior thing other than try to see all as equal?
When we feel worthy and valuable as a person, we don’t get jealous about the qualities that other people possess. Because no one possess all the gifts and talents in the world – someone is talented in one thing, another person in something else. We are all special and unique in our own way.
So if you feel that she is e.g. more energetic than you, you can appreciate that quality of hers, rather than seeing it a threat, or as something you’re missing. Because you’re happy with your own gifts and talents, you don’t feel deprived. Does that make sense?
And another thing: I think you too are pretty energetic and fierce, considering that you started living alone at the age of 16 and all other things you’ve achieved in your life. So I think you’re not seeing yourself clearly and are selling yourself short. Again, that’s the inner critic that gets activated and convinces you that you’re not good enough. So when you start hearing that voice telling you “look at you, you’re so weak, why aren’t you energetic and fierce as her”, you can tell the inner critic to shut up and back off.
So I think you can do two things against the inferiority complex. One is: appreciate other people’s talents and good qualities because they’re not a threat to you, because you have your own talents and gifts. And secondly, silence the inner critic who wants to make you believe you’re lacking in so many ways, when you’re not.
Iām at my hometown at my parents place and I did noticed that even though his behavior is better with me. With others heās till same old narcissistic person who think whatever he thinks is right and others are wrong. I donāt know if I should just accept that he canāt change or if I should fight for it even more. Because the thing is that he doesnāt believe in therapy even a bit.
No, you don’t need to try to change him, or encourage him to seek therapy. People like him (similar to my mother) are set in their ways. They don’t believe they have a problem either – it’s more like everybody around them has a problem, but not them. Someone who believes there’s nothing wrong with them and there’s nothing they should change about themselves won’t be open to therapy either. Trying to get them to go would be futile.
What you can do though is stop him from talking disrespectfully to you (if he still does). Maybe you can sometimes disagree with some of his judgmental comments and remarks that he probably passes around frequently. But don’t get into an argument with him. Just express your opinion respectfully, not expecting that he would agree or change his view.
But if you see that that’s futile too, that he starts arguing and you get drawn into an argument, you can spend less time in his company. That’s how you can protect yourself from his critical and judgmental attitudes, even if they aren’t directed at you.
March 15, 2023 at 12:02 pm #416329SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
Iāve visited my hometown and it was good.
Still no good news unfortunatelyā¦ I am going to see another doctor and look for other treatment options, because so far I had no relief.
Ah I see, Have you already visited another doctor?Ā What did S/he? said? Take care of yourself.
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Yeah, and it might have even led you to believe that she doesnāt appreciate you enough, because nothing you said or did managed to convince her to open up to you and change her attitude.
Yes Exactly!
We might even feel bad about ourselves for not being successful in āsavingā our partner (I donāt know if this was the case with you?) Whereas in reality, their rejection doesnāt mean that weāre not good enough or not important enough, but it is the consequence of their own internal issues. And thatās something we canāt do much about if they arenāt willing to help themselves.
Yes I think it was the same with me. Because I did felt like Iām the responsible for āsavingā her since I was in the relationship with her so I used to think as her best supporter and a lover itās my responsibility. Otherwise what am I even doing for this relationship?
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Oh so she started seeing a therapist after you broke up, then she stopped, but now she started again, after you told her youāre seeing one too?
Yup
Hmā¦ hard to say. There was a study in the US, I think, where they said that around 50% of people are securely attached (which would lead to being an emotionally healthy, non-traumatized individual). In other parts of the world, with a more patriarchal society, I am assuming this would be less. I mean, this is just my assumption and I am no expert, so please take this with a grain of salt. But it could be that at least half of the people have some kind of childhood trauma.
Wow so I think 50% means still thereās good chance. Although Iām surprised since US consumes more anti-depressants than any other nation. As per statistics more teens and women.
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Well, you spent 3 years being in a relationship that was very frustrating to you most of the times, but still you say it was a comfort zone. So perhaps being with someone with low self-esteem is still more comfortable than being with someone with healthy self-esteem, whom youāre afraid might judge you?
Hmm I donāt know if I feel judged, Just not sure since Iām still not spending enough time with her but yeah I do feel lot different (but not in a bad way)
And yeah she seems pretty upset because I didn’t try to contact her while I was in my hometown, and today she told me that she actually texted me “I miss you” but then deleted because she thought that I’m not missing her so she shouldn’t admit that either. But we’re meeting this weekend so let’s see what happens. and tbh I already feel scared just because she said “I miss you”
Well, I think you had higher self-esteem (at least in some aspects) than the girls you were with so far. So you were the āsaviorā in the relationship, right? You were trying to fix them and help them. You had less problems than them, so to speak.
Yes thatās more accurate from my part.
And itās a pretty common dynamic. Weāre often attracted to people whom we think we can āsaveā, people who are emotionally unavailable or troubled, but we believe we can finally turn them around. That all stems from our childhood and the dynamics with our parentsā¦
Oh I see I didnāt know that. So itās also related to PTSD weāve talked about?
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I guess itās your protector part that says āIf she doesnāt want me, I donāt want her either.ā But your emotional part (your inner child) attaches quickly to her and wants her all for himself. So the possessive reaction seems like an inner child reflex in you. But the ego part says āno, I am cool if she doesnāt want me, I am totally fine aloneā.
Oh yeah it could be like that! Like I said before about duality, What to do about that?
When we feel worthy and valuable as a person, we donāt get jealous about the qualities that other people possess. Because no one possess all the gifts and talents in the world ā someone is talented in one thing, another person in something else. We are all special and unique in our own way.
So if you feel that she is e.g. more energetic than you, you can appreciate that quality of hers, rather than seeing it a threat, or as something youāre missing. Because youāre happy with your own gifts and talents, you donāt feel deprived. Does that make sense?
Yes It does makes sense. And since Iām practicing more empathy I do see more good qualities that people have around me..
And another thing: I think you too are pretty energetic and fierce, considering that you started living alone at the age of 16 and all other things youāve achieved in your life. So I think youāre not seeing yourself clearly and are selling yourself short. Again, thatās the inner critic that gets activated and convinces you that youāre not good enough. So when you start hearing that voice telling you ālook at you, youāre so weak, why arenāt you energetic and fierce as herā, you can tell the inner critic to shut up and back off.
Thanks for the reminder! I think even though Iām getting enough reminders inner critic is still isnāt fully silent.
So I think you can do two things against the inferiority complex. One is: appreciate other peopleās talents and good qualities because theyāre not a threat to you, because you have your own talents and gifts. And secondly, silence the inner critic who wants to make you believe youāre lacking in so many ways, when youāre not.
Thanks Iāll do that. First one isnāt seems hard but yeah second one does seem hard
No, you donāt need to try to change him, or encourage him to seek therapy. People like him (similar to my mother) are set in their ways. They donāt believe they have a problem either ā itās more like everybody around them has a problem, but not them. Someone who believes thereās nothing wrong with them and thereās nothing they should change about themselves wonāt be open to therapy either. Trying to get them to go would be futile.
Yes exactly! Youāre right if they donāt even admit that they have the problem so thereās not even a question to work on that.
What you can do though is stop him from talking disrespectfully to you (if he still does). Maybe you can sometimes disagree with some of his judgmental comments and remarks that he probably passes around frequently. But donāt get into an argument with him. Just express your opinion respectfully, not expecting that he would agree or change his view.
He doesnāt talk disrespectfully to me anymore. He talks more calmly to me, Explain things to me.
But if you see that thatās futile too, that he starts arguing and you get drawn into an argument, you can spend less time in his company. Thatās how you can protect yourself from his critical and judgmental attitudes, even if they arenāt directed at you.
Since Iām not living with my family I already spend much less time with my father.. and even when Iām home I mostly spend time with my siblings and mother.
March 16, 2023 at 1:48 am #416348TeeParticipantDear SereneWolf,
Iāve visited my hometown and it was good.
good to read from you again! I am glad you had a good time back home.
Have you already visited another doctor? What did S/he? said? Take care of yourself.
I have, but he wasn’t helpful at all… so I’ll keep looking. And thanks for your support!
Because I did felt like Iām the responsible for āsavingā her since I was in the relationship with her so I used to think as her best supporter and a lover itās my responsibility. Otherwise what am I even doing for this relationship?
Yeah, supporting each other is a natural thing in a relationship. But if it’s one-sided and you’re “supporting”, i.e. trying to heal her all the time, that’s not healthy. I mean, you’re not her therapist, you’re her boyfriend. It doesn’t mean you can’t talk about issues, you sure can, but deep emotional wounds can only be healed in therapy, not in a romantic relationship.
Wow so I think 50% means still thereās good chance. Although Iām surprised since US consumes more anti-depressants than any other nation. As per statistics more teens and women.
Yeah, the US probably consumes too many antidepressants. But in terms of emotional health, they might still be better than some other parts of the world… of course, all those are generalizations, so not really relevant.
And yeah she seems pretty upset because I didnāt try to contact her while I was in my hometown, and today she told me that she actually texted me āI miss youā but then deleted because she thought that Iām not missing her so she shouldnāt admit that either. But weāre meeting this weekend so letās see what happens. and tbh I already feel scared just because she said āI miss youā
Okay, I like that she was honest about wanting to text you, but then deleting it. So she showed her vulnerability after all, even if at first she wanted to hide it.
How come you didn’t text her at all while you were away? Didn’t feel the need, or you stopped yourself because it would have seemed “weak and needy”?
tbh I already feel scared just because she said āI miss youā
Right… what’s the first thing that comes to your mind when she says “I miss you”?
Oh I see I didnāt know that. So itās also related to PTSD weāve talked about?
Yes, we (our inner child) is trying to finally get our distant/unloving parent to love us. Only now it’s not the parent but our romantic partner whom we’re trying to change.
Yes It does makes sense. And since Iām practicing more empathy I do see more good qualities that people have around me..
Excellent!
First one isnāt seems hard but yeah second one does seem hard. I think even though Iām getting enough reminders inner critic is still isnāt fully silent.
Okay, so if the inner critic can still make you believe you’re not good enough, it means that your inner child feels not good enough. And you’d need to tell your inner child that he is precious and talented and lovable, and that there is absolutely nothing wrong with him.
When those thoughts of “not good enough” start popping up in some form, try to be like general Iroh to your inner child and tell him how precious he is. And that whoever tells him differently is a liar and doesn’t know a thing!
Oh yeah it could be like that! Like I said before about duality, What to do about that?
Be aware of it. I think the main duality in you is 1) the inner child who is afraid of judgment and believes he is unworthy, and 2) the protector (which is the shield around your heart) who wants to protect your inner child from harm. But he is doing it by wrong means – by shutting down intimacy and vulnerability altogether.
What would need to happen is that you be a good parent to your inner child and assure him that he is worthy (as I described above). And you also assure him that you’ll protect him from other people’s judgments and mistreatment (by setting boundaries, learning to say No, etc), should there be need for it.
So you, the adult SereneWolf, become the good and healthy protector for your inner child. Like a good father. That’s how you can replace this unhealthy, toxic protector, who is the Outer Critic/shield around your heart.
I hope it’s not too messy the way I’ve explained it?
He doesnāt talk disrespectfully to me anymore. He talks more calmly to me, Explain things to me.
Good! If he isn’t trying to put you down, isn’t yelling at you etc, that’s great.
Since Iām not living with my family I already spend much less time with my father.. and even when Iām home I mostly spend time with my siblings and mother.
That’s good too. You’re already minimizing the time spent with him, even during your visits, and instead spend time with those in whose company you feel good and not judged…
March 17, 2023 at 1:16 pm #416379SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
I have, but he wasnāt helpful at allā¦ so Iāll keep looking. And thanks for your support!
Ah I see, Hope you find a really good doctor that helps for your health much better
Yeah, supporting each other is a natural thing in a relationship. But if itās one-sided and youāre āsupportingā, i.e. trying to heal her all the time, thatās not healthy. I mean, youāre not her therapist, youāre her boyfriend. It doesnāt mean you canāt talk about issues, you sure can, but deep emotional wounds can only be healed in therapy, not in a romantic relationship.
Yes I knew that well but since she wasnāt comfortable opening up with therapist I felt like I should help her much as much as I can. But in result it just emotionally drained me because yeah it was one-sided help. And it sometimes it made me question myself like does it even matter to help people? because at the end of the day theyāre going to do just whatever they want.
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Okay, I like that she was honest about wanting to text you, but then deleting it. So she showed her vulnerability after all, even if at first she wanted to hide it.
Yes I do feel bad though. Because in short time sheās quite vulnerable with me and Iāve disappointed her already.
How come you didnāt text her at all while you were away? Didnāt feel the need, or you stopped yourself because it would have seemed āweak and needyā?
Well kind of yeah both reasons I didnāt feel the need and when I did feel it I was like letās not rush sheās going to text if she wants it, Why should I seem needy first? Thatās what I was thinking
Rightā¦ whatās the first thing that comes to your mind when she says āI miss youā?
Overthinking and fear I suppose. Like now relationship is gradually getting deeper but soon it will end
Yes, we (our inner child) is trying to finally get our distant/unloving parent to love us. Only now itās not the parent but our romantic partner whom weāre trying to change.
Hmm I seeā¦
Ā Ā but we believe we can finally turn them aroundā
But we actually canāt and thatās what disappoints more. Right?
Okay, so if the inner critic can still make you believe youāre not good enough, it means that your inner child feels not good enough. And youād need to tell your inner child that he is precious and talented and lovable, and that there is absolutely nothing wrong with him.
I do try to pep talk with him time to time.. but not much frequently
When those thoughts of ānot good enoughā start popping up in some form, try to be like general Iroh to your inner child and tell him how precious he is. And that whoever tells him differently is a liar and doesnāt know a thing!
Youāre right! Iāll try to do that more
Be aware of it. I think the main duality in you is 1) the inner child who is afraid of judgment and believes he is unworthy, and 2) the protector (which is the shield around your heart) who wants to protect your inner child from harm. But he is doing it by wrong means ā by shutting down intimacy and vulnerability altogether.
What would need to happen is that you be a good parent to your inner child and assure him that he is worthy (as I described above). And you also assure him that youāll protect him from other peopleās judgments and mistreatment (by setting boundaries, learning to say No, etc), should there be need for it.
So you, the adult SereneWolf, become the good and healthy protector for your inner child. Like a good father. Thatās how you can replace this unhealthy, toxic protector, who is the Outer Critic/shield around your heart.
I hope itās not too messy the way Iāve explained it?
You explained it well. You already noticed the main pain points. And yeah itās been days I havenāt been a good parent to my inner child but feels like work when you already feel emotionally drained you know
Good! If he isnāt trying to put you down, isnāt yelling at you etc, thatās great.
Naah he doesnāt do that to me. Itās been a while, he used to do that a lot in past
March 18, 2023 at 12:22 am #416385TeeParticipantDear SereneWolf,
Ah I see, Hope you find a really good doctor that helps for your health much better
thank you!
Yes I knew that well but since she wasnāt comfortable opening up with therapist I felt like I should help her much as much as I can. But in result it just emotionally drained me because yeah it was one-sided help.
Yes, it was just you helping her, being like her therapist, which is not an equal relationship. And yes, it’s emotionally draining, specially when you see the same issues come up again and again… and nothing changes.
And it sometimes it made me question myself like does it even matter to help people? because at the end of the day theyāre going to do just whatever they want.
Yep.. people who don’t want to seek therapy usually don’t want to really help themselves. They tend to complain and maybe feel a bit better when you encourage them, but this only lasts for a short while and they slip back quickly into their old patterns. So no real change happens.
Well kind of yeah both reasons I didnāt feel the need and when I did feel it I was like letās not rush sheās going to text if she wants it, Why should I seem needy first? Thatās what I was thinking
Yeah, that’s you not wanting to show neediness and vulnerability. So there was a moment when you did feel like texting her (that was a spontaneous impulse), but then you shut if down, for fear of appearing needy.
Yes I do feel bad though. Because in short time sheās quite vulnerable with me and Iāve disappointed her already.
Well, your fear got in the way. You can still repair the damage, if you’d want to…
Overthinking and fear I suppose. Like now relationship is gradually getting deeper but soon it will end
What are you telling yourself, i.e. what’s your internal dialogue, which makes you believe it will soon end?
But we actually canāt and thatās what disappoints more. Right?
Correct! We hope to change our parents, and then we hope to change our emotionally unavailable partners, but we don’t succeed. And it leads to disappointment.
Naah he doesnāt do that to me. Itās been a while, he used to do that a lot in past
Good! I am happy you can have a more civil relationship now…
March 18, 2023 at 7:18 am #416386SereneWolfParticipantOla Tee,
yes, itās emotionally draining, specially when you see the same issues come up again and againā¦ and nothing changes.
Yes Exactly! And that repetition was making me angry a lot but I bottled up my anger.
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Yep.. people who donāt want to seek therapy usually donāt want to really help themselves. They tend to complain and maybe feel a bit better when you encourage them, but this only lasts for a short while and they slip back quickly into their old patterns. So no real change happens.
Yes and Iāve tried but perhaps she had even deeper trust issues than me, so she didnāt wanted to share anything with a therapist (Or a stranger as sheād like to address)
and even for me I donāt think moving from old patterns is that easy.Ā
Yeah, thatās you not wanting to show neediness and vulnerability. So there was a moment when you did feel like texting her (that was a spontaneous impulse), but then you shut if down, for fear of appearing needy.
Yes I think so, Also because Iām kind of bored of texting but if I rethink in person Iām not that much better. So I guess I just need more āin-personā practice.
Well, your fear got in the way. You can still repair the damage, if youād want toā¦
I did tried it. Iāve tried to encourage for voice notes since itās time-saving for both of us and also more connecting? And seems like sheās okay with it.
But yeah sheās definitely not a person who forgives you easily. I could notice that from her tone of voiceš¬šWhat are you telling yourself, i.e. whatās your internal dialogue, which makes you believe it will soon end?
That Iām not ready for this and sheās gonna turn her back anytime.
Correct! We hope to change our parents, and then we hope to change our emotionally unavailable partners, but we donāt succeed. And it leads to disappointment.
Hmm so for expectations like this itās just a perfectionist inside me trying to āfixā others? So as we talked I still need to work on my acceptance part gradually.
Remember that I told you about the interview? Turns out I didnāt got that job. But Now that rejection made me feel like no matter what I want more responsible fully remote position like that. So I started to apply and got more rejections and now I feel even more down
And nowadays Iām also getting crazy afternoon slumps. Like after 1PM I canāt of think anything but eating and sleeping. Iām taking more than 2-3 hours long naps and then be like oh day is already ended.. So now Iām mostly finishing my work at late night. Itās been like a month! So kinda it turned into a habit.
And yeah I also want to go deeper into CTPSD things we’ve talked about if you don’t mind
March 18, 2023 at 9:50 am #416387TeeParticipantHey SereneWolf š
Yes and Iāve tried but perhaps she had even deeper trust issues than me, so she didnāt wanted to share anything with a therapist (Or a stranger as sheād like to address)
That’s interesting… since therapists are vowed to confidentiality and they are non-judgmental per definition. But some people are like that with authority figures, and maybe a therapist in her mind meant aĀ judgmental authority figure, and it scared her… But it could have also been an excuse, because if someone rejects therapy, and hasn’t even given it a try, it usually means they don’t really want to change in a deeper way…
Yes I think so, Also because Iām kind of bored of texting but if I rethink in person Iām not that much better. So I guess I just need more āin-personā practice.
Well texting all day (i.e. making it the only way of communication) is tiring, but this would have been more like a check-in text, just to show you’re thinking of her. And since you were at your parents’ place, you had an excuse why it would have been only a short text š
I did tried it. Iāve tried to encourage for voice notes since itās time-saving for both of us and also more connecting? And seems like sheās okay with it.
I am not sure it’s more connecting, but it’s a good replacement for texts. If you want more connection, a phone call would be much better, in my opinion…
But yeah sheās definitely not a person who forgives you easily. I could notice that from her tone of voice
Okay, but she could have texted you too, if she was so keen. So it’s like she expected you to text, and was angry when you didn’t, but she hasn’t texted you either. She only admitted later that she wanted to, but then deleted it. I mean, I understand she is upset and feels like you don’t care, but she could have texted you first…
That Iām not ready for this and sheās gonna turn her back anytime.
Well, your fear is still strong. That’s why you rather play it cool and uninterested. You’re doing the avoidant pattern. And it could lead to breakup with time, specially if she expects a normal level of interest and dedication from the guy. And I guess she does, that’s why she is so upset. So yeah… you’d need to decide what you want. Do you want to challenge your fear, or you want to succumb?
Hmm so for expectations like this itās just a perfectionist inside me trying to āfixā others? So as we talked I still need to work on my acceptance part gradually.
The perfectionist likes to fix people whom he sees inferior than him in some way. It’s more like a defense mechanism, because if you see the person as inferior and in need of fixing, then you feel safe because you feel you’re above them (“better” than them) and therefore, they won’t judge you.
Thinking about your 3-yr long LDR, perhaps the perfectionist in you needed to receive praise and validation from her, because this is something you were missing as a child. But it could be that she didn’t give you too much praise and validation, because you said she often sabotaged your meetings, didn’t listen to your advice etc?
So I am thinking now that your perfectionist fixer is possibly a reaction to not receiving praise and validation from your parents? And trying to get it now in romantic relationships?
Remember that I told you about the interview? Turns out I didnāt got that job. But Now that rejection made me feel like no matter what I want more responsible fully remote position like that. So I started to apply and got more rejections and now I feel even more down
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that interview… sorry you didn’t get the job. But then again, at least you’re clear now with what you want: a position with more responsibility, fully remote. How come you’re sticking to fully remote btw? So you’re more flexible with where you live?
And nowadays Iām also getting crazy afternoon slumps. Like after 1PM I canāt of think anything but eating and sleeping. Iām taking more than 2-3 hours long naps and then be like oh day is already ended.. So now Iām mostly finishing my work at late night. Itās been like a month! So kinda it turned into a habit.
Alright, so you’re doing that Mon-Friday, during working hours? You’re having long naps in the afternoons, and then you need to work late to finish your tasks, right? Perhaps you can introduce a short walk (or even a bike ride) in the afternoon, to freshen you up?
And yeah I also want to go deeper into CTPSD things weāve talked about if you donāt mind
Sure, no problem…
March 21, 2023 at 7:46 am #416510SereneWolfParticipantHola Tee,
How are you doing? How was your weekend?
Thatās interestingā¦ since therapists are vowed to confidentiality and they are non-judgmental per definition. But some people are like that with authority figures, and maybe a therapist in her mind meant aĀ judgmental authority figure, and it scared herā¦ But it could have also been an excuse, because if someone rejects therapy, and hasnāt even given it a try, it usually means they donāt really want to change in a deeper wayā¦
I guess so yeah and I was just worried so much about her healing that I didnāt even try to look from different perspective, and I believe after a while my ādrill sergeantā just started being harsh on her
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Well texting all day (i.e. making it the only way of communication) is tiring, but this would have been more like a check-in text, just to show youāre thinking of her. And since you were at your parentsā place, you had an excuse why it would have been only a short text..
Haha yeah you do have a good point. But when I was at my hometown tbh only thing I really missed was my cat š¤£
I am not sure itās more connecting, but itās a good replacement for texts. If you want more connection, a phone call would be much better, in my opinionā¦
We talk on phone call but not that much frequentlyā¦
Okay, but she could have texted you too, if she was so keen. So itās like she expected you to text, and was angry when you didnāt, but she hasnāt texted you either. She only admitted later that she wanted to, but then deleted it. I mean, I understand she is upset and feels like you donāt care, but she could have texted you firstā¦
I know right!?
But I think I know the advantages of physical relationship now. We met this Saturday evening, and her anger was gone. She hugged me with good warmth like she actually missed me. And we did have a good time together. She even cooked for me. but surprising enough I don’t feel much scared now because I’m not overthinking much and like we talked about mindfulness I’m just trying to enjoy present moments more… Because this different kind of feeling makes me feel like I’m not hard to love then why I’ve been so hard on myself for so long and not being compassionate with myself?
There’s good quote from Lord Krishna which I remembered so, Love when you can, Tomorrow isn’t promised. so I’m just reminding myself kind of things like this which could help me for loosen up my heart shield.
Well, your fear is still strong. Thatās why you rather play it cool and uninterested. Youāre doing the avoidant pattern.
Yes exactly!
And it could lead to breakup with time, specially if she expects a normal level of interest and dedication from the guy. And I guess she does, thatās why she is so upset. So yeahā¦ youād need to decide what you want. Do you want to challenge your fear, or you want to succumb?
Well I can try to challenge my fear
The perfectionist likes to fix people whom he sees inferior than him in some way. Itās more like a defense mechanism, because if you see the person as inferior and in need of fixing, then you feel safe because you feel youāre above them (ābetterā than them) and therefore, they wonāt judge you.
Ah right also the reason why I donāt feel intimidated around them and not alarmed…But with people “better than me” I do feel intimidated.
Thinking about your 3-yr long LDR, perhaps the perfectionist in you needed to receive praise and validation from her, because this is something you were missing as a child. But it could be that she didnāt give you too much praise and validation, because you said she often sabotaged your meetings, didnāt listen to your advice etc?
So I am thinking now that your perfectionist fixer is possibly a reaction to not receiving praise and validation from your parents? And trying to get it now in romantic relationships?
I do think so it could be like that even though lot of time she did praised me how Iām helping her but all I wanted was seeing a real change and actions which she didnāt.
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that interviewā¦ sorry you didnāt get the job. But then again, at least youāre clear now with what you want: a position with more responsibility, fully remote. How come youāre sticking to fully remote btw? So youāre more flexible with where you live?
Yes because of the fully remote job flexibility. I also want to start travelling more because I think connecting with nature is really healing for me and I feel so calm. One of the reasons why I’m trying so hard.
Alright, so youāre doing that Mon-Friday, during working hours? Youāre having long naps in the afternoons, and then you need to work late to finish your tasks, right? Perhaps you can introduce a short walk (or even a bike ride) in the afternoon, to freshen you up?
Yes during work hours! But Iāve tried what you suggested but now Iām feeling sleepy at early evening time š
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Sure, no problemā¦
Thanks. So Iām not sure itās related to CPTSD. But like just last three times in raw I had nightmares about my family members. First night my father getting angry and then my grandfather and I yelling at each other and then next day while taking a nap, my brother which is surprising because weāre very close to each other and it did felt really unpleasant and depressing. I wasnāt even able to do meditation properly in the morning.
March 21, 2023 at 1:35 pm #416518TeeParticipantHey SereneWolf,
my weekend was fine, thanks. Still doing the same health-wise, so my leisure time isn’t as active as I’d want it to be, and it’s not a good feeling. I hope things will change for the better, sooner than later…
I guess so yeah and I was just worried so much about her healing that I didnāt even try to look from different perspective, and I believe after a while my ādrill sergeantā just started being harsh on her
Yeah, you got impatient and started pushing her. She didn’t like it, and it was this superior-inferior dynamic, rather than an equal, loving and mutually supportive relationship. But I guess you’ve realized by now that this isn’t how a relationship should be, and that you shouldn’t be the girl’s therapist.
Haha yeah you do have a good point. But when I was at my hometown tbh only thing I really missed was my cat
Uh-oh… it’s not good news for the girl then š Yeah, you said earlier that you find it easier to bond with animals than with humans… If we miss someone, it means we created an attachment (a bond) with them. And I guess since you are afraid of attachment, you don’t easily create a bond… and so you don’t really miss the person either. At least this is how I am understanding it…
But I think I know the advantages of physical relationship now. We met this Saturday evening, and her anger was gone. She hugged me with good warmth like she actually missed me.
She did miss you, because she told you so (she wanted to text you to tell you that, but she deleted it). And she was upset that you didn’t text her. So she did miss you indeed… I am glad she isn’t angry with you anymore!
And we did have a good time together. She even cooked for me. but surprising enough I donāt feel much scared now because Iām not overthinking much and like we talked about mindfulness Iām just trying to enjoy present moments moreā¦ Because this different kind of feeling makes me feel like Iām not hard to love then why Iāve been so hard on myself for so long and not being compassionate with myself?
Great, fantastic that you can enjoy the present moment more, without overthinking too much and being scared. And it’s amazing that you’re realizing you are not hard to love!! That’s wonderful, SereneWolf, really a great development!
And I think you know the answer to “why have I been so hard on yourself for so long…?” Because of you having being judged and criticized as a child, and developing that harsh inner critic. You were made to believe that you were hard to love, when it’s not true at all. And now, as you’re starting to have more compassion for yourself, you’re starting to feel love for yourself too, and that you’re not hard to love… the inner critic is getting weaker, as well as that old programming…. I am really happy for you!
Thereās good quote from Lord Krishna which I remembered so, Love when you can, Tomorrow isnāt promised. so Iām just reminding myself kind of things like this which could help me for loosen up my heart shield.
Great! You’re being mindful and repeating those affirmations, and it helps you stay in the present moment, feeling love, rather than fear…. Wow, amazing! I am proud of you, SereneWolf! š
Well I can try to challenge my fear
You are already doing it, with all of the above that you’ve described. You’re on the right track!
Ah right also the reason why I donāt feel intimidated around them and not alarmedā¦But with people ābetter than meā I do feel intimidated.
Yes, you feel intimidated by those you feel “less than”. The goal is to feel “good enough” and worthy always, even if someone is more talented in some areas than you…
I do think so it could be like that even though lot of time she did praised me how Iām helping her but all I wanted was seeing a real change and actions which she didnāt.
Right… okay, so perhaps you didn’t seek praise and validation so much. You rather wanted “results”, like the drill sergeant wanting results from the novices. It could be that you adopted the persona of your father a little, who was also quite critical and impatient with you. Only you tried to hide your impatience with your ex, while you father didn’t temper himself at all, he gave you the full power of his anger…
Yes because of the fully remote job flexibility. I also want to start travelling more because I think connecting with nature is really healing for me and I feel so calm. One of the reasons why Iām trying so hard.
Okay, wish you luck with finding a good remote job! But while you’re still tied to one place, could you go travel on the weekends and spend time in nature? So reserve the weekends for adventure and “battery charging”?
Yes during work hours! But Iāve tried what you suggested but now Iām feeling sleepy at early evening time
Well, maybe your job is a little boring? š But does it also mean you’re working mostly from home and no need to go to the office?
But like just last three times in raw I had nightmares about my family members. First night my father getting angry and then my grandfather and I yelling at each other and then next day while taking a nap, my brother which is surprising because weāre very close to each other and it did felt really unpleasant and depressing
So you dreamed about your father, grandfather, brother and you all getting angry and yelling at each other? Not at the same time, but first your father got angry with you, and then you and your grandfather had a fight, and than in the next dream you and your brother had a fight, right? It could represent anger as the “modus operandi” among the men in your family? And that it affected you as well? I mean, that’s only my suggestion. What do you think it represents?
March 23, 2023 at 8:07 am #416618SereneWolfParticipantHey Tee,
my weekend was fine, thanks. Still doing the same health-wise, so my leisure time isnāt as active as Iād want it to be, and itās not a good feeling. I hope things will change for the better, sooner than laterā¦
Oh I hope you’ll be better. You still havenāt found a good doctor?
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Yeah, you got impatient and started pushing her. She didnāt like it, and it was this superior-inferior dynamic, rather than an equal, loving and mutually supportive relationship. But I guess youāve realized by now that this isnāt how a relationship should be, and that you shouldnāt be the girlās therapist.
Yup I think Iāve learned my lesson there haha
Uh-ohā¦ itās not good news for the girl thenĀ Yeah, you said earlier that you find it easier to bond with animals than with humansā¦ If we miss someone, it means we created an attachment (a bond) with them. And I guess since you are afraid of attachment, you donāt easily create a bondā¦ and so you donāt really miss the person either. At least this is how I am understanding itā¦
Yes, I think youāve explained it well. Also most of the time I have to try to blend in around strangers, Other times Iām like what these humans are? How I could even be the same as them? Like Iām some alien š
She did miss you, because she told you so (she wanted to text you to tell you that, but she deleted it). And she was upset that you didnāt text her. So she did miss you indeedā¦ I am glad she isnāt angry with you anymore!
Iām starting to think there are lot of people who have heart full of love and they would love to share their love but it isnāt easy. It needs guts to trust on that level and vulnerability. And now Iām thinking as like peopleās strength. And she certainly have this strength. For me admitting to someone that I miss them is really hard. Heck I donāt even remember when I did that last time.
Great, fantastic that you can enjoy the present moment more, without overthinking too much and being scared. And itās amazing that youāre realizing you are not hard to love!! Thatās wonderful, SereneWolf, really a great development!
Thanks! you know realizing this makes the process of loving myself little easier. But it made me think like if I rely on that feeling doesnāt it make me dependable? Which is against one of the values that I have. Being self-independent.
And I think you know the answer to āwhy have I been so hard on yourself for so longā¦?ā Because of you having being judged and criticized as a child, and developing that harsh inner critic. You were made to believe that you were hard to love, when itās not true at all. And now, as youāre starting to have more compassion for yourself, youāre starting to feel love for yourself too, and that youāre not hard to loveā¦ the inner critic is getting weaker, as well as that old programmingā¦. I am really happy for you!
I agree and after getting stepped up from these old programming I donāt want to step back and just keep rounding for the same things and waste my physical and emotional energy. So Iāll try to spend more time in journaling and convincing my inner child even more. So he doesnāt see this as like bowl of water but more like a riverā¦
Great! Youāre being mindful and repeating those affirmations, and it helps you stay in the present moment, feeling love, rather than fearā¦. Wow, amazing! I am proud of you, SereneWolf!
Youāve put quite a time and effort on me as well. So thanks to you too. Iām grateful to have a supportive friend/mentor like you šš½
Yes, you feel intimidated by those you feel āless thanā. The goal is to feel āgood enoughā and worthy always, even if someone is more talented in some areas than youā¦
Yes thatās something Iām struggling withā¦ I feel like Iām threatened or challenged
Rightā¦ okay, so perhaps you didnāt seek praise and validation so much. You rather wanted āresultsā, like the drill sergeant wanting results from the novices. It could be that you adopted the persona of your father a little, who was also quite critical and impatient with you. Only you tried to hide your impatience with your ex, while you father didnāt temper himself at all, he gave you the full power of his angerā¦
Yeah even in work Iām really result-driven. So youāre right I may have adopted his persona. As Iāve told now Iām much better at managing my anger and be calm as possible. Because to be honest after I started practicing spirituality nothing seems like a big deal to me.
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Okay, wish you luck with finding a good remote job! But while youāre still tied to one place, could you go travel on the weekends and spend time in nature? So reserve the weekends for adventure and ābattery chargingā?
Thanks for your wishes! And I already do that on weekends. But I want to visit different places every weekends not the same places. But yeah itās true that even though most of the time Iām visiting same places now it doesnāt bore me because spending time in nature does recharge me so well.
Well, maybe your job is a little boring?Ā Ā But does it also mean youāre working mostly from home and no need to go to the office?
My job isnāt boring. Or I guess now it seems boring because I saw more exciting opportunities? haha.. and currently Iām working on hybrid mode. 2 days office and 3 days from home. They wanted the other way like 3 days from office but I convinced them for 2 days lol
So you dreamed about your father, grandfather, brother and you all getting angry and yelling at each other? Not at the same time, but first your father got angry with you, and then you and your grandfather had a fight, and than in the next dream you and your brother had a fight, right?
Yes!
It could represent anger as the āmodus operandiā among the men in your family?
Well all 3 are impatient and gets angry real fast soā¦
And that it affected you as well?
I think for impatient part yeah I guess so
I mean, thatās only my suggestion. What doĀ youĀ think it represents?Umm Iām not sure but I still may have fear? Like still if I want to do something crazy I know they wonāt stop me but my mind first think like what they would think about me and judge me or something like that
March 25, 2023 at 2:08 am #416657TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
Oh I hope youāll be better. You still havenāt found a good doctor?
Next week I have an appointment with a new doctor, so I am hopeful but also slightly apprehensive, because I’ve been to several doctors already and no improvement so far…
Yup I think Iāve learned my lesson there haha
Good, that’s an important lesson! š
Also most of the time I have to try to blend in around strangers, Other times Iām like what these humans are? How I could even be the same as them? Like Iām some alien
Okay, so you feel very different than others, like you’re some alien. That’s probably because your true self wasn’t appreciated by your parents or grandparents (or other adults you grew up around). You were constantly judged and criticized for being yourself. So you believe that you’re fundamentally different from other people, which isn’t true.
However, you might have developed a defense mechanism that keeps you away from others and makes you fear others, as if they’re going to harm you. You might be looking at people through that lens, magnifying the differences, seeking imperfections in them etc. This lens, i.e. filter is what actually creates a greater sense of distance between you and others. I think this filter is creating an artificial sense of distance and difference, which in reality doesn’t exist.
Iām starting to think there are lot of people who have heart full of love and they would love to share their love but it isnāt easy.
You said is about yourself too (or a friend of yours said it about you, I don’t remember anymore?). They said that you have a heart full of love, but are afraid to share it with others. And it’s true. Because you fear others.
It needs guts to trust on that level and vulnerability. And now Iām thinking as like peopleās strength.
Yes, vulnerability is actually a strength. There is a famous TED talk on vulnerability by Brene Brown. It describes how she, who was someone who feared vulnerability, discovered the importance of vulnerability, by studying hundreds and thousands of happy people. She discovered that vulnerability is actually a prerequisite for happiness. You can enter “Brene Brown vulnerability TED talk” in youtube search and you’ll find it. Really powerful stuff.
And she certainly have this strength. For me admitting to someone that I miss them is really hard. Heck I donāt even remember when I did that last time.
It’s good that she has this strength! Because she won’t be playing games with you. She will tell you what bothers her and what she would like from you.
But I want to add something here: try not to compare yourself now and think “oh she has this strength and I don’t. I am so much worse than her” (which would be your inner critic). Rather, try to appreciate her for her ability to be vulnerable. You too will develop this strength, and you’re on a path to do that. Because frankly, till recently you thought it was a weakness, and a part of you still thinks it’s a weakness. So it will take some time to change the old habits and beliefs.
Thanks! you know realizing this makes the process of loving myself little easier. But it made me think like if I rely on that feeling doesnāt it make me dependable? Which is against one of the values that I have. Being self-independent.
You’re welcome, you are making a great progress! Actually, we humans are social creatures, and we’re meant to be interdependent, not independent. I mean, we’re not meant to be emotionally self-sufficient (if there is such a word). We’re not meant to be in a relationship with only ourselves, and not to be bonded to anyone. Being independent is good up to a point. But if you want to be emotionally independent and self-sufficient, that’s already a defense mechanism.
I agree and after getting stepped up from these old programming I donāt want to step back and just keep rounding for the same things and waste my physical and emotional energy. So Iāll try to spend more time in journaling and convincing my inner child even more. So he doesnāt see this as like bowl of water but more like a riverā¦
So last time you said you’re starting to feel that you’re not hard to love. Which is fantastic! Just keep doing that, keep affirming that to yourself.
The other part of the problem might be that in a relationship, you feel trapped, like a fish in a bowl of water. And I think it could be because you see the other person as a threat. As very different than you. As judging you. As wanting to control you and suppress your true self.
You probably see the other person as your father, and it’s threatening your freedom, and you want to run away. You want to be free, like a fish in the river. You ran away from home, because of this feeling of being trapped. And now you want to apply the same coping strategy to your romantic relationships: run away, be free from “threat”. Would you say it’s true?
Youāve put quite a time and effort on me as well. So thanks to you too. Iām grateful to have a supportive friend/mentor like you
You’re welcome, it’s a pleasure to talk to you and help you on your path…
Yeah even in work Iām really result-driven. So youāre right I may have adopted his persona. As Iāve told now Iām much better at managing my anger and be calm as possible. Because to be honest after I started practicing spirituality nothing seems like a big deal to me.
Good that you’re aware of this drill-sergeant persona and are learning how to keep it at bay!
But I want to visit different places every weekends not the same places. But yeah itās true that even though most of the time Iām visiting same places now it doesnāt bore me because spending time in nature does recharge me so well.
Yeah, I find that visiting the same places in nature – the places that I like and enjoy – is totally okay, because they recharge me. And they are never the same, really, there is always something different to appreciate…
My job isnāt boring. Or I guess now it seems boring because I saw more exciting opportunities? haha.. and currently Iām working on hybrid mode. 2 days office and 3 days from home. They wanted the other way like 3 days from office but I convinced them for 2 days lol
Glad your job isn’t boring. Then I guess simply spending time at home, comfortably seated in front of your computer, and being alone, naturally makes the person want to take a nap š If you were in the office, you would need to control yourself better, but like this, it’s easier to just doze off… So if you want to avoid afternoon slumps, I guess one solution would be to work from the office more frequently š
Umm Iām not sure but I still may have fear? Like still if I want to do something crazy I know they wonāt stop me but my mind first think like what they would think about me and judge me or something like that
Okay, so you’re still afraid of their judgment? Both your father’s, grandfather’s and your brother’s judgment as well? Btw what’s that “something crazy” that you’d want to do, but are reluctant to (if it’s not too much to ask)?
March 26, 2023 at 11:43 am #416778SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
Next week I have an appointment with a new doctor, so I am hopeful but also slightly apprehensive, because Iāve been to several doctors already and no improvement so farā¦
Oh I see, I can understand but who knows maybe this one can give you much better results? So be hopeful. Update me when you do give a visit though.
Okay, so you feel very different than others, like youāre some alien. Thatās probably because your true self wasnāt appreciated by your parents or grandparents (or other adults you grew up around). You were constantly judged and criticized for being yourself. So you believe that youāre fundamentally different from other people, which isnāt true.
However, you might have developed a defense mechanism that keeps you away from others and makes you fear others, as if theyāre going to harm you. You might be looking at people through that lens, magnifying the differences, seeking imperfections in them etc. This lens, i.e. filter is what actually creates a greater sense of distance between you and others. I think this filter is creating an artificial sense of distance and difference, which in reality doesnāt exist.
Hmm thatās right. Is that could the same reason I canāt spend longer time around the crowds? Because it just drains my energyā¦
You said is about yourself too (or a friend of yours said it about you, I donāt remember anymore?). They said that you have a heart full of love, but are afraid to share it with others. And itās true. Because you fear others.
Ah yeah my friend told me about this for myself. But yeah I agree there is fear
Yes, vulnerability is actually a strength. There is a famous TED talk on vulnerability by Brene Brown. It describes how she, who was someone who feared vulnerability, discovered the importance of vulnerability, by studying hundreds and thousands of happy people. She discovered that vulnerability is actually a prerequisite for happiness. You can enter āBrene Brown vulnerability TED talkā in youtube search and youāll find it. Really powerful stuff.
Thanks for sharing Iāll watch the video. Turns out it was already on my watchlist but I still havenāt watched it. Still lot of articles left to read as well. Don’t know where the time is going lol š
Itās good that she has this strength! Because she wonāt be playing games with you. She will tell you what bothers her and what she would like from you.
Hmm I hope soā¦ She seems quite sensitive
But I want to add something here: try not to compare yourself now and think āoh she has this strength and I donāt. I am so much worse than herā (which would be your inner critic). Rather, try to appreciate her for her ability to be vulnerable. You too will develop this strength, and youāre on a path to do that. Because frankly, till recently you thought it was a weakness, and a part of you still thinks itās a weakness. So it will take some time to change the old habits and beliefs.
Oh yeah youāre right Iām not comparing and I am aware that Iām capable for cultivating good emotional patterns for myself (Or at least Iām trying)
Youāre welcome, you are making a great progress! Actually, we humans are social creatures, and weāre meant to be interdependent, not independent. I mean, weāre not meant to be emotionally self-sufficient (if there is such a word). Weāre not meant to be in a relationship with only ourselves, and not to be bonded to anyone. Being independent is good up to a point. But if you want to be emotionally independent and self-sufficient, thatās already a defense mechanism.
Wow! So this challenged me for lot of things that I’ve consumed in reading and watching over the years. And kind of really challenging for my old belief. But If you have any recommendations for articles or videos or just you want to explain by yourself you can elaborate more this with me. Because I do understand what you mean but I donāt have clear picture just for meta thinking with myself you know
The other part of the problem might be that in a relationship, you feel trapped, like a fish in a bowl of water. And I think it could be because you see the other person as a threat. As very different than you. As judging you. As wanting to control you and suppress your true self.
Yes exactly I do feel trapped one of the reasons Iām scared for commitment. But mainly for controlling because their actions would affect me a lot emotionally. Like if my partner is anxious or sad it affects me directly.
You probably see the other person as your father, and itās threatening your freedom, and you want to run away. You want to be free, like a fish in the river. You ran away from home, because of this feeling of being trapped. And now you want to apply the same coping strategy to your romantic relationships: run away, be free from āthreatā. Would you say itās true?
I donāt know if I see other person as my father because then I believe I wouldnāt even want spend lot of time with.. I donāt know how to explain properly but yeah I guess Iām running away because that feeling. But there are other reasons as well. Like Itās my curiosity so Iām just striving for exploring more and novelty so I donāt feel like Iām missing out..
Youāre welcome, itās a pleasure to talk to you and help you on your pathā¦
Haha Iām glad. Currently what kind of emotional patterns that youāre working on?
Yeah, I find that visiting the same places in nature ā the places that I like and enjoy ā is totally okay, because they recharge me. And they are never the same, really, there is always something different to appreciateā¦
Totally agree and sometimes it kind of gives me solutions out of nowhere have you experienced it before?
Glad your job isnāt boring. Then I guess simply spending time at home, comfortably seated in front of your computer, and being alone, naturally makes the person want to take a napĀ Ā If you were in the office, you would need to control yourself better, but like this, itās easier to just doze offā¦ So if you want to avoid afternoon slumps, I guess one solution would be to work from the office more frequently
Haha I donāt think thatās a good idea since being around with lot of people for a while takes up my energy a lot. Heck even if itās just a single person and if I donāt like spending time with him/her it just drains me. Same goes for outside work as well. But I’m aware as for my position I do have to learn to overcome this challenge.
Okay, so youāre still afraid of their judgment? Both your fatherās, grandfatherās and your brotherās judgment as well? Btw whatās that āsomething crazyā that youād want to do, but are reluctant to (if itās not too much to ask)?
Hmm so Iām thinking about getting a tattoo. And my grandfather is always saying ānot niceā things about getting tattoos so whenever I think about getting a tattoo for few minutes I do feel good and think about ideas and etc and after that I overthink what would my grandfather say? Sure he wouldnāt like it.. same for my father.
And actually a while ago I stopped this kind of thinking what others or even my own family is thinking about me but I think Iām kind of back to this
March 29, 2023 at 9:42 am #416845TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
Hmm thatās right. Is that could the same reason I canāt spend longer time around the crowds? Because it just drains my energyā¦
Yes, definitely. I mean, a part of the problem could be that you’re an introvert and you don’t feel good in large crowds (I am like that too!). But a part of the problem could be that you see people as different, and yourself as alien, and this might contribute to feeling trapped or endangered in some way.
Hmm I hope soā¦ She seems quite sensitive
In what sense? Can you give me an example?
Oh yeah youāre right Iām not comparing and I am aware that Iām capable for cultivating good emotional patterns for myself (Or at least Iām trying)
Great! At least you’re aware what to watch out for, and even if you start comparing yourself with others, you can recognize it as an inner critic mechanism, and know that it’s a lie, it’s an illusion, not reality.
Wow! So this challenged me for lot of things that Iāve consumed in reading and watching over the years. And kind of really challenging for my old belief. But If you have any recommendations for articles or videos or just you want to explain by yourself you can elaborate more this with me. Because I do understand what you mean but I donāt have clear picture just for meta thinking with myself you know
Well, this term “emotional self-sufficiency” just kind of came to me, I haven’t read it anywhere. I did look it up now and it has both positive and negative connotations. But what I meant is that we are wired for connection (Henry Cloud’s video “Why it’s important to stay connected” talks about it. I mentioned it a while ago and I think you watched it).
Healthy relationships are good for our health and well-being. For example, married men live longer. And for women, those women live longer who have a network of supportive friendships. So emotional giving and receiving is very important. In that sense I said that emotional self-sufficiency isn’t a good thing: it’s not good if we don’t have emotional exchange and connection with anyone. And if we guard ourselves from it.
It doesn’t mean we should be needy and clingy. Someone who is alone can be happy and fulfilled too. But someone who is emotionally healthy will not guard themselves from emotional closeness with safe and supportive people. Because that’s what makes our life richer and more enjoyable…
Yes exactly I do feel trapped one of the reasons Iām scared for commitment. But mainly for controlling because their actions would affect me a lot emotionally. Like if my partner is anxious or sad it affects me directly.
So you’re afraid you wouldn’t know how to react if your partner is sad or anxious?
I donāt know if I see other person as my father because then I believe I wouldnāt even want spend lot of time with.. I donāt know how to explain properly but yeah I guess Iām running away because that feeling.
I guess you’re filtering out the very strict and judgmental types automatically – you’re not attracted to that type of girls. I mean, your current girlfriend is self-confident, but she’s probably not judgmental like your father, so it doesn’t trigger the escape reflex immediately?
But there are other reasons as well. Like Itās my curiosity so Iām just striving for exploring more and novelty so I donāt feel like Iām missing out..
I think that’s just an excuse. Because there are girls who like traveling and exploring similarly like you. Maybe girls wouldn’t appreciate some reckless feats, if that’s what you’re into. But definitely there are adventurous types out there, with whom you wouldn’t need to miss out on anything.
Haha Iām glad. Currently what kind of emotional patterns that youāre working on?
Staying positive and optimistic in spite of persistent health problems and chronic pain….
Totally agree and sometimes it kind of gives me solutions out of nowhere have you experienced it before?
Absolutely yes. It’s when our rational mind is not in the forefront, and we’re in touch with our senses and our intuition… that’s when the best ideas come…
Haha I donāt think thatās a good idea since being around with lot of people for a while takes up my energy a lot. Heck even if itās just a single person and if I donāt like spending time with him/her it just drains me. Same goes for outside work as well.
Maybe this is same problem that you were talking about above – you don’t like crowds because they drain your energy? But maybe it can be applied to certain people too – they drain your energy and you don’t know how to protect yourself from that?
As for not falling asleep in the afternoon, how about watching some of those videos on your watch list? š (Turns out it was already on my watchlist but I still havenāt watched it.) Because for me, such videos (not all, but with good presenters) can be quite captivating and not something I’d doze off with š
Hmm so Iām thinking about getting a tattoo. And my grandfather is always saying ānot niceā things about getting tattoos so whenever I think about getting a tattoo for few minutes I do feel good and think about ideas and etc and after that I overthink what would my grandfather say? Sure he wouldnāt like it.. same for my father.
I see… well, how big of a tattoo are you planning? If it’s huge and sort of “in your face”, it might not be good from a business perspective either – if you want to present yourself as a solid business person. But if it’s something more discrete, it’s very common nowadays and not a big deal. And if it would make you happy, why not…
March 31, 2023 at 7:49 am #416868SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
Yes, definitely. I mean, a part of the problem could be that youāre an introvert and you donāt feel good in large crowds (I am like that too!). But a part of the problem could be that you see people as different, and yourself as alien, and this might contribute to feeling trapped or endangered in some way.
Well yeah youāre right and thatās why these days I do try to socialize more. (As an experiment) Thatās why I noticed that and I told youā¦ Iām just too much comfortable with my own company but I do need to get out of my comfort zone without draining my energy. And Iām an ambivert.
In what sense? Can you give me an example?
Like for me Iām not much emotionally expressive. Or like I just donāt get surprised with lot of human behaviour or things. I find it really normal. But her she like really emotionally expressive like a high school girl who feels too much you know š
Great! At least youāre aware what to watch out for, and even if you start comparing yourself with others, you can recognize it as an inner critic mechanism, and know that itās a lie, itās an illusion, not reality.
Yes! And before there was time where I used to just blindly believe everything my inner critical voice told me because I didnāt know the difference between my own self and inner critical voice.
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Well, this term āemotional self-sufficiencyā just kind of came to me, I havenāt read it anywhere. I did look it up now and it has both positive and negative connotations. But what I meant is that we are wired for connection (Henry Cloudās video āWhy itās important to stay connectedā talks about it. I mentioned it a while ago and I think you watched it).
I see but this term is pretty self-explanatory so I get it, And Yes Iāve watched the video and I told you that Iām mostly between good connection to no connection back and forth
Healthy relationships are good for our health and well-being. For example, married men live longer. And for women, those women live longer who have a network of supportive friendships. So emotional giving and receiving is very important. In that sense I said that emotional self-sufficiency isnāt a good thing: itās not good if we donāt have emotional exchange and connection with anyone. And if we guard ourselves from it.
It doesnāt mean we should be needy and clingy. Someone who is alone can be happy and fulfilled too. But someone who is emotionally healthy will not guard themselves from emotional closeness with safe and supportive people. Because thatās what makes our life richer and more enjoyableā¦
Hmm I see so you mean there should be a good balance right?
So youāre afraid you wouldnāt know how to react if your partner is sad or anxious?
I mean I know what to do but I just overreact in those particular situations and try to make them in better state ASAP otherwise I feel anxious as well.
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I guess youāre filtering out the very strict and judgmental types automatically ā youāre not attracted to that type of girls. I mean, your current girlfriend is self-confident, but sheās probably not judgmental like your father, so it doesnāt trigger the escape reflex immediately?
Haha I donāt remember Iāve been with any strict and judgmental type girl even as female or male friend. Creating the good supportive circle you know? š
But I think that possibility of turn this into something else is just scaring me like what If I like her more with time? Or what if I feel bored with her after some time? And like what if she is not on the same page as me? So questions like this as well her different but confident persona is something I feel…I think thatās just an excuse. Because there are girls who like traveling and exploring similarly like you. Maybe girls wouldnāt appreciate some reckless feats, if thatās what youāre into. But definitely there are adventurous types out there, with whom you wouldnāt need to miss out on anything.
Well yeah I know but because I still havenāt met those types girls much itās just my old belief I guess
Staying positive and optimistic in spite of persistent health problems and chronic painā¦.
Inner and outer youāre dealing with both of these things which isnāt easy at all. Iām proud of you and I hope you progress better and healthier way with that. š¤
Absolutely yes. Itās when our rational mind is not in the forefront, and weāre in touch with our senses and our intuitionā¦ thatās when the best ideas comeā¦
Yup. I love it!
Maybe this is same problem that you were talking about above ā you donāt like crowds because they drain your energy? But maybe it can be applied to certain people too ā they drain your energy and you donāt know how to protect yourself from that?
Yes exactly and I don’t know how to protect myself from that for sure!
As for not falling asleep in the afternoon, how about watching some of those videos on your watch list?Ā Ā (Turns out it was already on my watchlist but I still havenāt watched it.) Because for me, such videos (not all, but with good presenters) can be quite captivating and not something Iād doze off with.
I agree! And turns out I already watched that video and when we were talking about implementing new things for fresher employees. Video was one of the reason for that idea! Also it made me think deeper about vulnerability as well as empathy. And how important connection isā¦ But another thing I liked about the video is the storytelling. As a Leader I think itās really important skill to cultivate.
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I seeā¦ well, how big of a tattoo are you planning? If itās huge and sort of āin your faceā, it might not be good from a business perspective either ā if you want to present yourself as a solid business person. But if itās something more discrete, itās very common nowadays and not a big deal. And if it would make you happy, why notā¦
Haha Nothing that shows too much. Like not on the face or neck. But l prefer around the shoulder, back, hands, biceps and maybe chest. Ā But yeah mostly desecrate. Yeah I know itās normal nowadays but there are two things. One judgment from my family and another thing is that gaining enough weight so tattoos look much better. Have you got any tattoos though?
April 2, 2023 at 7:48 am #416897TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
Well yeah youāre right and thatās why these days I do try to socialize more. (As an experiment) Thatās why I noticed that and I told youā¦ Iām just too much comfortable with my own company but I do need to get out of my comfort zone without draining my energy. And Iām an ambivert.
Definitely it’s a good experiment to try to socialize more and see how you feel about people… if you still feel they’re very different and you feel like an alien? I had to look up what an ambivert means…it seems like a balanced type, best of both worlds.
Like for me Iām not much emotionally expressive. Or like I just donāt get surprised with lot of human behaviour or things. I find it really normal. But her she like really emotionally expressive like a high school girl who feels too much you know
Are you saying that she gets upset by something (some human behavior), and this same behavior doesn’t affect you that much? Or she gets super excited about something, and you’re like “meh, nothing special”?
Yes! And before there was time where I used to just blindly believe everything my inner critical voice told me because I didnāt know the difference between my own self and inner critical voice.
Great that you now know the difference and don’t believe everything your inner critic is telling you!
And Yes Iāve watched the video and I told you that Iām mostly between good connection to no connection back and forth
And there was also a bad connection, I’d say, during your LDR. Because that relationship was mostly frustrating for you, right?
Hmm I see so you mean there should be a good balance right?
Yes, for example we should love ourselves and feel lovable, without needing to get love from someone else. Or we shouldn’t feel helpless like a child and wait for someone else to fix our problems. I think those are examples of emotional self-sufficiency.
I mean I know what to do but I just overreact in those particular situations and try to make them in better state ASAP otherwise I feel anxious as well.
Yeah, you’d probably like to fix the problem ASAP and make them stop (crying, or being upset or whatever). Whereas the best thing you can do is to simply listen and show empathy. You don’t need to fix anything, and your partner doesn’t even want it, in most cases. They only want empathy and understanding (remember that short video about the nail in the head? š )
Haha I donāt remember Iāve been with any strict and judgmental type girl even as female or male friend. Creating the good supportive circle you know?
Oh I see… you’re filtering all critical and unsupportive people from your life… cool! good strategy!
But I think that possibility of turn this into something else is just scaring me like what If I like her more with time?
Okay, so you can ask yourself: what if I like her more with time? What’s the worst thing that can happen?
Or what if I feel bored with her after some time? And like what if she is not on the same page as me?
Okay, you can ask yourself: what if I feel bored over time? What would I do? What are the options I have?
So questions like this as well her different but confident persona is something I feelā¦
She is different than the usual type you’re attracted to (insecure, low self-esteem). I think that’s what’s scary because you can’t apply the usual tactics of your outer critic, which would be to see her as inferior and imperfect (which would then serve as an excuse to distance yourself from her). The inner critic is trying to sabotage you, by telling you you are worse than her in some respects. But nowadays you’re watching for the inner critic and you’re not believing everything it says. So the inner critic isn’t managing to sabotage the relationship so easily either…
But something in you (hint: the inner child) is still afraid, and so you’re coming up with these what-if questions, which serve the same purpose: to sabotage the relationship. My suggestion is to notice that too: that these what-if hypothetical questions serve the same purpose, and so not to give too much weight to them. If you want to try to push through the fear some more…
Inner and outer youāre dealing with both of these things which isnāt easy at all. Iām proud of you and I hope you progress better and healthier way with that
Thank you! Yes, it’s hard when it gets physical, when it’s your body that aches and there is no escape from pain. I feel that I could much more easily deal with emotional pain than with physical pain. Because I can’t just think about it differently, so that it doesn’t cause pain any more. Although I think I can still be telling myself a positive, optimistic story, or I can be telling myself a negative, hopeless story (like that I’ll never get better). And that too makes a difference… But it’s hard, there’s no doubt about it…
Yes exactly and I donāt know how to protect myself from that for sure!
What’s the worst kind of behavior that you feel you can’t protect yourself from?
Haha Nothing that shows too much. Like not on the face or neck. But l prefer around the shoulder, back, hands, biceps and maybe chest. But yeah mostly desecrate. Yeah I know itās normal nowadays but there are two things. One judgment from my family and another thing is that gaining enough weight so tattoos look much better. Have you got any tattoos though?
No, I don’t have any tattoos. Not my style, and besides, I’ve got many birthmarks, so I’d worry about damaging those. So no, no tattoos for me š
If you worry about how the tattoo will look, I’d choose a spot which doesn’t depend on your muscular mass. So somewhere where it always looks the same, regardless of how fit you are š
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