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January 16, 2019 at 8:06 am #274939AnonymousGuest
Dear afeels:
“change comes gradually”, yes. Think of how water shape rocks, very gradually, with time and persistence.
I am looking forward to your next post then, after the therapy session!
anita
January 16, 2019 at 11:34 am #274971afeelsParticipantHello Anita
I am mildly amused, confused and overwhelmed after my counselling session.
We spoke about short term strategies, however the one my therapist mentioned was seeing me two times a week instead of one. I was really surprised by the suggestion. She explained it might help me feel more supported whilst I go through a challenging time.
I don’t know how to feel. I told her that I wanted more direction. I didn’t want to just talk because I feel like it makes me over think. I asked about homeworks or other strategies she can guide me with but she said she is happy to discuss any that I think might be useful but won’t prescribe anything as different people like different things.
She’s trying I know she is. My worries about two sessions is that it will make everything go at an even higher pace rather than helpmanage emotions. She suggests that it might or it might help me if I had an opportunity to have a safe place to experience my emotions more than once a week.
My concern is with my history her method of therapy won’t work for me. I expressed this go her. I also said the more we go on the more I am aware of all my issues and feel hopeless.
She suggested two sessions is an offer for me to think about and to not rush the decision.. or maybe I would prefer a telephone call or email exchange. There’s ways we can work around it.
I just don’t know. She’s trying her best but I don’t know if I can go on with this, 2 sessions sounds like a huge risk. It could either work really well or rra badly. I don’t know. What do you think?
January 16, 2019 at 1:03 pm #274999AnonymousGuestDear afeels:
I didn’t understand this part: “I asked about homework.. but she said she is happy to discuss any that I think might be useful but won’t prescribe anything as different people like different things”- meaning, she will not give you homework because she doesn’t know what kind of homework (or strategy) you will like?
If that is what she meant, isn’t the way to find out what you like, or what works for you, is suggesting different homework assignments/ strategies to you and then finding out if and how it worked for you?
Waiting for your answer to this one and then will discuss the rest of your recent post.
anita
January 16, 2019 at 1:25 pm #275011afeelsParticipantDear Anita,
Sorry I didn’t make it clear, I guess my brain is still quite fuzzy from the session. I said to her that the type of practical/ short term solutions I had in mind were things such as homework regarding how to think when thoughts overwhelm me or I get into an overthinking spiral, or practical things I can do to relieve anxiety.
She then said she doesn’t give out homework due to two reasons. One, she will not prescribe homework that alters how I think/ feel. And two, there is a subjective nature of what relaxation techniques works for different people, and she also said she thinks I am intelligent/ resourceful enough to find what works for me. She briefly mentioned yoga, meditation, running etc but then asked me what I do and have found helpful.
Hope this clarifies the homework bit.
January 16, 2019 at 1:46 pm #275019AnonymousGuestDear afeels:
“She then said she doesn’t give out homework due to two reasons. One, she will not prescribe homework that alters how I think/feel”-
-meaning, she is not interested in propelling you forward toward altering the way you think/fee?
Is she not interested in you changing the way you think/feel?
(I ask again because I want to be sure before I give you advice regarding seeing her twice a week (or ever again!)
anita
January 16, 2019 at 2:16 pm #275023afeelsParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for asking. The gist I got from her was that ordering thinking styles that are ‘healthier’ (much like CBT) is not her therapeutic style, never will be. She will never tell me what to think/feel for the purpose of putting a hold unto my emotions.
We didn’t focus on it for too long, I think because I am very aware of her therapeutic style and understood what she meant. She will never do any kind of CBT with me, or things which temporarily shifts my thinking to make things easier. Her technique is very much ‘you need to feel your emotions, you have been supressing them for too long’.
I don’t know if I answered your question properly there but to help answer it more; throughout our process, she guides my awareness of my thinking patterns and where they come from, and how else a situation might look, very lightly and gently. She would never say ‘You should not think in that way’ or ‘thinking in that way is the reason you feel worse’. Of course I hope no-one’s therapist would. But her style is very gentle and I guess is interested in uncovering a lot of emotions, and talking through them. She mentioned in the session that although I am experiencing many emotions, therapy is supposed to help me verbalise what I feel, so I can feel better. I think it is through talking therapy sessions with her, but particularly feeling through emotions, that she expects me to be able to change how I think/feel.
Did I answer it in a way you understand there, Anita? I don’t know, Im a bit confused as to the difference between
‘meaning, she is not interested in propelling you forward toward altering the way you think/fee?’
and
‘Is she not interested in you changing the way you think/feel?’
So let me know if I am answering enough for you to be able to understand.
Again, thanks for talking this through with me. Its nice to talk with someone about therapy, that isn’t a therapist.
January 17, 2019 at 12:35 pm #275219AnonymousGuestDear afeels:
“Her technique is very much ‘you need to feel your emotions, you have been suppressing them for too long”- I understand this. Problem is that our emotions and our thoughts are not separated. There are, I am guessing, hundreds of thousands of neural connections in our brains between emotions and thoughts.
Some of our thoughts are true to reality, some are not. Thoughts that are not true to reality produce distress. Without correcting those distorted thoughts, our distress will continue and those distorted thoughts will lead to more ineffective behavior, even harmful behavior, producing even more distress.
Expressing suppressed emotions is necessary for healing, but so is correcting distorted thoughts. Why can’t the two happen in therapy, why is it one or the other, in your therapist mind, I don’t know.
One thing I am sure about: a therapist who is not willing to help a client correct distorted thoughts at one point on in therapy is doing a disservice to her clients.
anita
January 19, 2019 at 10:30 am #275601afeelsParticipantHi Anita
I have been thinking on and off for two days about whether I should accept my therapists offer with two sessions per week.
I just don’t know.
On the one hand I can see that my oversharing with friends might have been a symptom of me needing more assistance as feelings were spilling out too much.
However I take your point about correcting distorted thoughts. I believe that initially she did help to point out distorted thoughts, and this helped me with the first phase of the process, for example I now have better boundaries with people who were abusive and do not just mindlessly rely on co-dependent habits, though it is still hard.
However now I am feeling more emotions than ever, and the therapy process is coming closer to my core, I am unsure whether her insight is helpful anymore at guiding me through it and pointing out distorted thoughts.
I think I should try the two sessions a week and see if this will help. It may be that the support I was getting in the beginning and was helpful is no longer enough as I get closer and closer to my main traumas and I need more guidance than one session. It might not be her technique but the frequency for which I am supported by her.
Or it could be her technique and I will shortly find myself unhappy with the process. If that happens I think it will be easier for me to make the decision to find a new therapist.
What do you think? Reasonable? I am still slightly nervous about being overwhelmed and perhaps two sessions a week making things go too fast, but I also feel a slight hope with this therapist that she might still be able to help me.
January 19, 2019 at 10:31 am #275603afeelsParticipantI think I just made my decision, take the two sessions and review in a month or two!
January 19, 2019 at 11:03 am #275615AnonymousGuestDear afeels:
You wrote page 1: “She assumed in the session we had a good therapeutic relationship and I had to correct her and explain that actually I felt no connection to her really, it was like speaking to a wall a lot of the time”.
Shortly after she suggested to see you twice a week, “She explained it might help me feel more supported whilst I go through a challenging time”, or if I take your own testimony, seeing her twice a week will double the amount of you “speaking to a wall”.
See, I am taking what you wrote (“It was like speaking to a wall a lot of the time”) seriously. Isn’t she taking what you say seriously? If she didn’t discuss this very thing with you, your feeling of lack of connection with her, then I wonder: did she take what you told her seriously?
A therapist is not a magician, and the process of therapy should not be something mysterious. Everything should be out in the open, explained, not hinted, no magic wand of some inexplainable techniques that she has up her sleeve.
Did she attend to your concern that you brought up to her that you feel no connection with her, that talking to her is like talking to the wall a lot of the time?
anita
January 19, 2019 at 12:11 pm #275635afeelsParticipantHi Anita,
The last session we had we didn’t discuss the lack of connection. The session prior was the session whereby we discussed me feeling disconnected. She allowed me to rant about it and didn’t seem to take it personally and told me to not apologise, and I expressed how certain things she does such as emailing me a response on the date/ time of our session, rather than spontaneously ticked me off. She did ask what she could do instead, and I replied with I don’t know. Because truly I don’t. All I could tell her was that she was highly boundaried and clinical and even though I acknowledge therapy has to have boundaries talking to her still felt too clinical for me. I joked that we should try bean bags in her office so that things feel more natural as the building is undergoing new interior design changes. We then ran out of time.
As I say last session we didn’t discuss lack of connection, though I expressed lack of hope in the process. She did say that she will try her hardest to reply to my emails as soon as she can, which was an acknowledgment of my frustrations at her email style. She didn’t bring up me talking to her was like talking to a wall during the session. I wonder if her suggestion to increase sessions is an attempt to help me trust and help the connection?
Although I do take your point that therapy shouldn’t be mysterious and I do feel her sessions are overwhelmingly mysterious, meta, and this is quite an issue.
January 19, 2019 at 12:16 pm #275639AnonymousGuestDear afeels:
Are you a bit infatuated with her, seeing her as a sort of, almost, could be, maybe a girlfriend of sorts?
anita
January 19, 2019 at 12:28 pm #275641afeelsParticipantHi Anita,
Not at all. What gives you that idea?
January 19, 2019 at 12:36 pm #275645AnonymousGuestDear afeels:
You being “mildly amused” after she suggested two sessions per week. You told her before that you didn’t feel connected to her, a lack of affection. Her response was to see her more often, which I thought may have led you to think that she is sort of chasing you, trying to cause you to feel that missing affection for her. Also, from your previous thread I remember that you were wondering about your sexual orientation. And this woman is young.
And it is so very common for a client to feel an infatuation/ attraction to one’s therapist.
anita
January 19, 2019 at 1:00 pm #275661afeelsParticipantDear Anita,
Sexuality is a sensitive topic for me and the reasons for why I am questioning my sexuality has not been because of my therapist at all but because of my dating experiences with men and trust issues and wondering why everything is so hard. In the future I would like to bring up my issues with sexuality myself if I am talking to you. I hope this is okay with you. I do not feel any feelings of infatuation with my therapist. When I said I was ‘mildly amused’ it was because her suggestion was so unexpected and so not what I meant when I emailed her that I needed short term strategies.
In regards to lack of connection. If I’m being frank, I see therapy and my therapist as being a highly intellectualised middle class bubble. I feel my class differences and cultural differences heavily when I am in conversation with my therapist as she is obviously had a very different upbringing to mine. I feel therapy in general to be a highly intellectualised exercise and I don’t know if this helps me and hence I do not know if my therapist can help me. Does it help constantly going on about the past with a mere stranger who I have no feelings of connection with? What’s the point? I feel like I should at least see my therapist as a friend, as someone somewhat relatable or at least understood by.
I will admit, I did think at one point maybe I thrive on getting people to chase me, and push people away once I start feeling close. The difference though between my therapy experience and my past experiences of making people chasing me, is that my therapists suggestion of seeing me twice a week was a surprise and not one that I had any feelings associated with. I started getting feelings for my male friend once I pushed him away and he started chasing. I did not feel this way at all with my therapist and am rather just thinking about whether two sessions will help my mental wellbeing or make me worse.
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