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  • #114443
    Benjamin Button
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    Hi Everyone,

    I need some opinion from other people with regard to my current situation, were about 9 months in a official relationship, before that we were together for a 1 year as very close/mutual friends, My Gf is really a great girl however after our relationship got deeper she started to become more insecure and possessive, she is somewhat passive, selfless, apathetic type of person who always wants the best for her partner.

    it all started when she invaded/snooped on my phone and read all my social communications with other people/friends, anyway i’m a type of person who likes to socialize with people and friends, i find it interesting to talk to people who have different lifestyles and so on. but in the end is just a few minutes of conversations and my intentions is clear(not trying to get laid),

    it become more complicated when see hacked on my FB account, (were not in good terms at this point/ have a fight) i mean i was using my messenger at the same time she was accessing it, i was talking to a girl i met online from other country, she know this girl and hates her, she was reading our conversation in real-time so after i message the girl if we can meet up for a coffee, i message my gf to say hi and then she surprised me saying i know what your trying to do and i was so surprised and told her why does she have to go that far, i was angry at her but i still apologize for talking to that girl, at this point we had an informal break up. we got back together after a week of silence, we got back together and told her that time my intentions is good, i just want to have some time to think and socialize. (were in bad terms at that time it happened). so after what happened the our relationship become really complicated…

    she told me not to communicate with other girls (friends/strangers) and she called them “Threat”, so i told her i cant do what she wants, i only told her i can do that for people i don’t know but for my friends its a no no and she don’t agree with me and still insist for it. we always fight over the same issues, i feel so tired and suffocated, everything i do is being watch, its like ive committed a crime that i need to be in 24/7 surveillance, all my logins in fb are being questioned like who are you talking to, etc. etc. and the worst part of our relationship is she doesn’t try to work it out, she always say ok ill let you go for you to be happy, she is so selfless, i dont know how to explain it. she always say she loves me so much to set me free so that i can do what i want to do, so in the end i always run around fixing things because i really want her, ive done this every time, but just 3 days ago we had a fight again (about the surveillance stuff/shes really good at stalking/spying on me) and it happen again, i told her to stop and stop talking, i just snap, i deactivated all my social apps. and other communication lines, get out of her grid and i didn’t talk to her for 4 days now. i do miss her a lot… i have the urge to comeback to her at the same time to completely free myself to move on with my life without her. what should i do in this situation?

    i think that the best way is to move on, i think she needs to find that guy who have the same mind like her. or i am wrong? what do you think i can do to fix this relationship?

    btw im 30 and shes 29. Thanks!!

    #114450
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi there crazy angle,

    Thanks for putting your ages at the end like that. That made for a surprising punchline, I’d pictured you guys at least 10 years younger! (Sorry.)

    OK, so, what do you do to fix this.

    Her telling you not to talk to your friends is controlling behaviour. It may come from insecurities and jealousy, but it’s still controlling, it’s not OK and you are right to tell her, “No can do.”

    I don’t like this thing you call her selflessness. Maybe I’m reading the situation wrong, but it sounds like she’s got a pattern that runs a bit like this:

    Her: “Do what I want and stop talking to any women but me!”
    You: “Sorry, but no.”
    Her: “Oh, woe is me! Clearly you’d be much happier without me, you’ll have to leave me behind. Go! I will cry forever!”
    You: “Hang on, no, that’s not what I want!”
    Her: “Sniffle. So, you’ll stop talking to those girls then?”

    Comedy exaggerations aside, this kind of behaviour can still be a way to control you, a way for her to get what she wants without having to do the hard work of understanding your point of view, finding a compromise, giving and taking and trusting and all that kind of mature relationship stuff. You say you run around fixing stuff, but she’s the one who’s out of line. Hacking somebody’s facebook is not OK, you have a right to private conversations without her reading over her shoulder.

    Adding this up my advice would lean towards “go and be free,” but if you really want to fix it, here goes. You’ll have to somehow get through to her that what she’s doing is not OK. She needs to grow up a bit more, stop spying, learn to trust you, allow you to have friends and find a way to feel OK with all of that. That’s going to be a tall order, but it’s going to be downright impossible if she doesn’t understand it’s what she needs to do, or doesn’t want to do it.

    Good luck, man.

    #114568
    Benjamin Button
    Participant

    Thank you Monklet, im still in the process of thinking it through, i still haven’t contacted her its been 5 days now, i want to talk to her and see if i can get through to her to understand my point of view again and if she refuses to understand me then i really have to set her free. i have done this process a lot of times and i guess this will be the last time i will be doing this, hopefully this time i can break her barriers to let me through.

    also, its funny because the example you gave is exactly whats happening but in a more serious tone, and i think Age is really one of the factors to evaluate where the relationship should be so i really have to mention it.

    #114581
    simplylaura
    Participant

    Good Day Everyone!
    Hello crazy angle!

    As I was reading your story, I find it difficult to really dig into the whole issue with your gf , as what your trying to say she was snooping your phone/social media. I would want to know if you gave her any reason for her to go that far?(Cos I know how important it is for you guys to have PRIVACY). Did she catch you before talking to some girls?(flirtatiously) If so, you can’t really blame her. Sometimes it’s a natural instinct for a girl to be protective/territorial of her relationship, she might not want to be overly possessive but she want to secure her relationship. When someone tries to come in between the magic that is you and your significant other, the claws naturally come out. Unfortunately, you have to accept that this is going to happen more than once in your lifetime. Let me give my 2 cents of advice man, when you enter a “committed relationship” trust is really important.It is the fuel of the relationship. Without it, its the end game. SO how do you gain trust from your GF? First, you should be open to her. All your errands/socialization should not be kept a secret.I don’t think talking to your so called “friends” is an issue to her. But if at some point, your trying to communicate to some “people” your GF know nothing about, sure thing she will ask you. But that doesn’t mean she’s trying to control you. She might want to know what’s happening and she might have a bad feeling about someone or something. And if there’s nothing to hide, what’s the fuss?? If you want to make progress, openly discuss and analyze what the issue at hand is.

    “she told me not to communicate with other girls (friends/strangers) and she called them ā€œThreatā€, so i told her i cant do what she wants, i only told her i can do that for people i donā€™t know but for my friends its a no no and she donā€™t agree with me and still insist for it. we always fight over the same issues, i feel so tired and suffocated, everything i do is being watch, its like ive committed a crime that i need to be in 24/7 surveillance, all my logins in fb are being questioned like who are you talking to, etc. etc.”

    –> Your relationship with your friends should never be an issue. And if these “strangers” talks to you on a daily basis then the issue begins here. Maybe she don’t want you to be overly attached to these “strangers” cos later it might go into something deeper.
    If these issues are being brought up before, why does it happen all over again? maybe that same “issue” was not really resolved from the very beginning. If she tells you that cutting off your communication with these “strangers” is the solution then would it be a big deal to you? Unless, it weighs more than your relationship with your girlfriend.

    “i think that the best way is to move on, i think she needs to find that guy who have the same mind like her. or i am wrong? what do you think i can do to fix this relationship?”

    –> When is the last time you really considered your girlfriend’s thoughts or feelings when you were making a decision that affected her? Consideration of a loved one involves understanding of their thoughts and feelings and an effort to listen to them in a way that communicates respect and genuine respect for their well being.

    Learn to compromise on the things you disagree about. When your making a decision together, the most important thing is that you both first listen to each other and make sure you understand exactly where the other person stands on the issue, then you should be able to discuss the “PROS” and “CONS” of the situation in a respectful manner and to find a resolution that can make both of you as happy as possible.

    A relationship is a two way street, not a highway and a bike path. If you really want to be with someone you have to be willing to make some sacrifices and work it a little, otherwise the relationship will never work. Relationship require effort from both side or they collapse, so stop being selfish.

    The real deal here is compromise, respect and empathy.

    xoxo,

    Laura

    #114588
    Benjamin Button
    Participant

    Thank you for your response Laura,

    I highly agree that Trust is really important, actually even before we were officially in a relationship she knew that i socialize with my friends and other people through social apps. and when we got together i think the insecurities she felt along the way piled up, that’s why she can’t take it anymore and snooped on my phone.

    after what happened, we talked about how can we make things work, so we came to an agreement for me not to talk to strangers through social apps. which i did, however if didn’t stop there, we still fight over the same issue.

    The thing is 2 weeks past after she hacked my fb and were back together because we had an agreement for me to be entirely open to the people i talk to which i did, then, she asked me to not talk to them (friends) in a daily basis which is also did, however, she keeps asking for more, in a daily basis she is asking if i talked to someone and if i did she will ask me to grab a screenshot of the conversation so she can tell what is it all about and i feel so violated with this but i still give way to her just to make her feel better.. but the thing is… it keeps getting worst,

    sometimes she will message me because she noticed my fb messanger is active and would say are you talking to (specific girls name), there this one girl she is really threatened, this girl i met in Vietnam when i traveled with my parents a few months back, i told her she was my friend, she really don’t believe me and cant move on with this girl.

    (all the friends in my stories is not in the same location as me, they were thousand miles away from me, I live in Kuwait, these friends that i normally talk to were in Singapore, Philippines, Vietnam, USA & Dubai. i don’t have any girl friends that i talk to who resides in the same country because i know its bad for me)

    I had given this relationship so much importance, as i said, she is a selfless apathetic girl, so every time we had a fight/bigfights/chanceofbreakup i always come running and pulling her back to me to talk and settle things, if i didn’t make a move more or less we are done for. i believe in fixing things before it gets worst and she is so lucky that i always eat myself up just to fix things for us.

    in our relationship, i had compromise so much that i even forget what was ego is, my story is all about me as the culprit, i am an independent type of guy, i had never asked anything to her except for some feedback/opinions to push her confidence & self esteem above average, i always encourage her to engage with people, activities and make lots of friends, in fact my group of friends in this country is now her very close friends, i introduced her to my family, she is staying with me on weekends, and on some personal occasions i invite her over to come.

    the truth is i was in a 5 year relationship before she came, i ended my last relationship because my ex has to go to detention for 5 years (Her company got involved in bribery in the government and since shes in the high management she was arrested and jailed) and i decided to give myself 1 year to completely think it over to move on or wait in which i decided later to move on.. we have no closure because i was in Kuwait and she was in China.

    my ex (fiancee) have the same personality as me, we would always remind each other to enjoy ourselves and make better choices for our future, the 1st year we were living together in Singapore while i was working there and the rest (4 years) were in LDR. i have never felt any disappointment, neglect, boredom in this relationship it was refreshing, free and beautiful however sometimes its really not for us so we have to move on.

    getting back, after 1 year of moving on i decided to find someone and that’s where my current gf comes in.

    I always make sure we discuss and get to some agreement that will both work for us, but in the end, it just fails, she really cant trust me, i know myself better than anyone, i just needed her support and her trust like how i support her and trust her.

    #114594
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I disagree with Laura, there’s nothing “naturally” about her behaviour and we can blame her. What she’s doing is not OK. You’re not a convicted cheater. Even if you were, this would not be reasonable.

    If a guy told his girlfriend, “I need you to stop talking to your friends because I don’t trust you with other guys,” we’d have no difficulty seeing that as a red flag for abuse: isolating her and controlling her. That’s what this is. It makes no difference that she’s a woman.

    And here’s a sad thought to chew on: you’re not really helping her, running around and fixing everything. You may just end up making her more dependent and insecure, even if what you’re trying to do is the opposite.

    #114597
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * monklet80: it is not a good practice to voice a disagreement with a person replying to the original poster. When you do that, you discourage that replier (and others considering replying) from doing so in fear of criticism from (you). Please refrain from doing so. You can state and re-state your position without mentioning your disagreement with another replier.

    Dear crazyangle:

    You wrote: ” iā€™m a type of person who likes to socialize with people and friends, i find it interesting to talk to people who have different lifestyles and so on but in the end is just a few minutes of conversations and my intentions is clear(not trying to get laid)”- well, depending what you refer to by “different lifestyle”. If you are referring to let’s say… different sexual practices, like a lifestyle of group sex and you ask different women about that practice, becoming stimulated as you do, flirt with the women you communicate with, then if I was your girlfriend, I would have a problem with this, it being that I am not into that practice.

    ” i was talking to a girl i met online from other country, she know this girl and hates her, she was reading our conversation in real-time so after i message the girl if we can meet up for a coffee”

    So you met a girl online and were going to meet up for coffee- why not bring your girlfriend along to that meeting: why does it need to be just you and that girl?

    anita

    #114601
    simplylaura
    Participant

    my pleasure crazyangle!

    Let’s face it. Trust isn’t something that comes naturally. It needs a reason. It comes not just after an action but a series of actions; meaning to gain someone’s trust you need continuity and consistency in those honest acts that you do and there should be little or no blemishes on your side to dampen the trust you’ve built.

    But what could have caused her distrust/insecurities?

    It can be of a past experience with you which built a major distaste in her mind. Distrust can root from a deeper psychological trauma like fear of loss, of abandonment or fear of being betrayed. Before you decide to jump out of an otherwise perfect relationship, consider helping her get over her insecurity. Maybe you’re doing something to make her insecure, and you just don’t realize it. Maybe something happened in her past that makes her distrust men. If you can understand why she’s insecure, then you can be more patient and help her get over her worries. Early experiences greatly impact our beliefs. For example, abusive parents, abusive spouses/partners, neglect, or abandonment can foster beliefs that influence one’s self-esteem throughout life. It may arise from ambivalent or critical parenting, or as a result of later life experiences. It can even result from their physical appearance or their social surroundings. If you cheat once, then she will always doubt you. If you’re constantly texting that one friend of yours, then she will doubt you. If you’re a chronic fibber, she won’t believe you. If you don’t want her to become paranoid, then don’t open Pandora’s box. Don’t give her a reason. The thing here is to encourage communication. Describe her behavior and what it means to you. Try something like, “I feel that you become upset when I message my female friends, is it because you dislike my friends, or because you don’t trust me? Or is it something else?

    Another thing that might have hyped her insecurities is the comparison between her and your perfect past relationship. well maybe, just maybe. I suggest to acknowledge her strengths. Fill her in on what she’s good at. Take the time to admire her and let her see that admiration.You’ll be surprised at the lift it can give her.

    The snooping thing

    Some women will utterly desecrate a manā€™s privacy just to assure themselves he isnā€™t cheating. These suspicious women often feel justified in their snooping. Obviously, this kind of behavior is completely unacceptable unless there is a strong reason to do so. In some cases like ‘if your gut is telling you that something is wrong and you’ve had that moment where you talk about it, and then you still are not satisfied with the answer, women tend to look for the truth by snooping and they were able to get out of really bad situations. If your girl tries to read into texts that are nothing more than friendly exchanges from women who aren’t a threat whatsoever, i think she will not waste her energy being jealous over them. Generally, it’s the worry of being cheated on that pushes her to snoop. But beyond that, I do agree, that, snooping shows a lack of trust, personal insecurity and a complete disregard for the person’s right to privacy. Talk to her intently about it.

    I’d suggest you guys should freely talk about her fears. What she needs from you is a clear commitment to her and the relationship, but she will also need to trust that commitment is there when you are away or when you talk to other women. If she feels secure in your commitment to her, she won’t feel threatened by you ‘flirting’ with other women. But to feel secure in that commitment, she needs to resolve her trust and abandonment issues.

    Having a relationship with an insecure woman doesn’t mean you have to walk on eggshells, live in her imprisoned world, or end the relationship. The important lesson is recognizing that insecurity is very common and if detected early and dealt with properly, you can have a stress-free relationship with the woman of your dreams. Get it on!

    xoxo

    Laura

    #114607
    simplylaura
    Participant

    monklet80

    First and foremost, it’s a one sided opinion you got there. You have absolutely no idea what the big picture is. Try to see every situation from at least two angles. Stay focused on the point of the advice asked for. Donā€™t wander off topic into your own personal issues or agenda. You donā€™t need to judge or disagree with your fellow participants, lecture them or over explain things and make them feel belittled or stupid. And for the readers, give them empathy and ideas, stay optimistic rather than discouraging them.

    And lastly, nothing’s perfect. This is not the perfect life of somebody who knows everything. This is the life of somebody who’s really still trying to figure it out.

    xoxo

    Laura

    #114644
    Benjamin Button
    Participant

    thank you for feedback anita,

    im a consultant and i really love to talk to people regardless of gender, features and so on. but of course as a guy i prefer talking to a lady rather than a guy due to ego matters, moving on.

    my motives is not to get sexual to someone, i have never done that when im in a relationship, i just find it refreshing talking to different person sometimes that’s why i do talk to them, and its not that i always do the first move, most of the time im just a reciever.

    i have never cheated on any girl i have been, as well as to her, in fact im the one who was cheated and thats my first ever relationship and because of that i have completely pushed myself to become strong and independent.

    the part i asked a girl for a coffee, i was on vacation in a different country so theres no way i can bring her along. but i want you to know that all my activities i always make some sure to ask my gf is she would like to come, and most of the time she was with me.

    #114661
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Crazyangle03:

    When you wrote in your original post about your girlfriend: ” she is somewhat passive, selfless, apathetic type of person”- that is not a promising evaluation of your girlfriend’s mental health: when a person is passive and selfless, watch out- I say! Because it is not natural to be passive and selfless. In nature, if an animal is passive and selfless then it is also, soon enough- dead.

    When a person is passive and selfless, it is your Self that ends up paying the price.

    If indeed, your behavior as far as connecting with others online is reasonable and appropriate in the context of you having a girlfriend, if you don’t flirt with other women, then she is in the process of limiting your life- that is the price exacted by a selfless person: the selfless person wants your self to be what they want it to be, think and feel and act like she wants you to. No place for you to have a … self of your own. It has to be approved by her, a subject of ongoing testing and correcting.

    It is possible that her spying on you is her sort-of-addiction, at this point. She is anxious and she responds by spying on you. If she finds nothing, she relaxes for a little while. But it is only a matter of time before she gets anxious again and driven to relieve that anxiousness by spying again. In this case, she may promise not to spy on you again, and mean it, and yet driven to do it anyway, so to relieve her distress.

    Being passive and selfless produces anxiety and distress. The distress can be relieved long term only by being assertive and taking care of her self interest (In a Win-Win relationship).

    anita

    #114703
    Miarbil
    Participant

    Dear Crazyangle03

    I was in the same situation few months back before i finally decided to end it. My boyfriend and I have been dating for two years and I have done a lot to show how committed I was to the relationship. I also thought that he is insecure because he has low self esteem so I tried to show him that I valued the person he was. But fact is its not healthy to be this insecure and controlling. Your girlfriend probably needs some soul searching to find out the root cause of this behavior if its fear of abandonment or something else. And I believe you are right to step away because this would be a big problem in the long run. And another point is the only person that can change her for the better is herself not you. I have tried to make my ex see his insecurities are destroying our relationship, I stuck 2 years trying to prove my loyalty but then I realized it was never about me or my loyalty some people have this dark hole in their heart that they need to fix on their own. they have this paranoia that they developed because of some issue all in all nothing you do will ever make them feel secure because their mind is in constant paranoia. I hope she will do some reflection and heal that part of herself. I fully support your decision to step back. Its for the best. stay strong and true to yourself!

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 3 months ago by Miarbil.
    #114735
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi
    I can see a big issues with trusting and freak control syndrome. To me Love is no conditions, trust, patience, support, encourage, no limiting for your beloved one. Even if his choices doesn’t make me happy – I am trusting no matter what.
    Ladies are scared that if they will allow guys to do what they want ,they might cheat or fall for the other. But what’s the point or being anxious about it.. no matter how much she will try to lock you down, if the divine plan is for you to be with her than you will or not. Simple. So control freak…. it’s a self defensive behaviour, but I don’t think it’s a healthy way of living. Looking at your unfortunate issue I am visualising a bird in the cage or a hamster.. what kind of life they have? But they can’t make a choice ,whoever buy them makes that choice to keep them in that cage.. but humans – we are able to write our scenario to let someone control us or change us…
    Life is Limitless and no one should set any boundaries for another human being. It’s unhealthy and it’s damaging. That’s not Love.

    Xxx

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