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June 15, 2020 at 5:41 am #358576Priyanka SParticipant
In past years, i have been in contact with an emotionally unavailable man. We have tried to date, on and off. we have not met in person much. we had common friends. It will always start with a message. It will end before we decide to meet because of something or other everytime. i feel that I am not able to talk to him and not able to express myself. he doesnt express himself much either. At times, i was trying to tell him that someone died in my family. any person/friend would ask what happened and will feel sorry for the loss etc. but from him it was nothing, just contnuing with the discussion about something else. Discussion also not much. thats why every time we planned to meet, i just couldnt go, maybe somewhere inside me i wasnt sure of this becasue of above reasons. Even though i told him that i dont wanna keep talking in the sense of seeing him but the thoughts about this doesnt go away from my mind. Its like i want to go back and be i touch and talk and maybe more again. But, after multiple times, i know that the above will repeat. we know each other from 4-5 years, but when ever we were seeing each other, we talk like once in two/three days for 5 -10 minutes. these incidents made me question if this is what actually happens or what I am thinking is correct. Very recently, i told myself that whether this is correct or not, i will go based on how i feel and i was feeling that it wasnt enough for me. so i backed off. but cant get this off my mind. I may not be talking to him but these thoughts and him, occupy my mind for most of the time. Any perspective or help?
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June 15, 2020 at 9:06 am #358626AnonymousGuestDear Priyanka S:
You wrote that he is not emotionally available, and suggested that he doesn’t really listen to you, doesn’t attend to important things you share with him, and overall talks with him are short. But nonetheless, you think a lot about him, you want to talk to him again and again, “these thoughts and him occupy my mind for most of the time”-
– if you didn’t experience intimate conversations with him, or an intimate physical interactions with him (?), what is it that you long for about him, can you tell me?
anita
June 15, 2020 at 1:42 pm #358619BillParticipantGood Morning!
The first thing I would say is that your friend has probably been through a relationship or relationships that made him feel he could not be available emotionally. Either that, or perhaps his male role models were not emotionally available. I have three amazing dads (Dad, step-dad and godfather) who are all emotionally available and are just wonderful people to confide in and get advice from. As such, I am extremely emotionally available to those with whom I am close, especially my 8-year-old daughter.
That being said, my wife has Borderline Personality Disorder. I had not idea what that was until our third marriage counselor (no, I’m not a quitter) diagnosed her. She immediately stopped going to see him, I continued for over a year. BPD is a terribly frustrating disorder because there is no medication, the sufferer has to acknowledge the problem and get counseling. My wife will never, ever do that and attacks me in a verbally aggressive manner when I suggest it. She often threatens to take my daughter away in the process because she knows my baby girl is THE most important thing in my life. My wife walks around in her own little world of feeling inadequate and believing that nothing about life is fair – and she holds the rest of the world accountable for her feeling that way. It all stems (I have learned over the years) from the terrible (scream, yelling, cussing) relationship she had with her bi-polar mother when she was growing up. It got so bad that her father would go get a hotel for the night when they started going at each other. My wife has never grown beyond that relationship with her mother. She has never recognized that as the root of her issues, meditated on it and moved on.
The result of the way my wife chooses to treat me is that I have become extremely emotionally unavailable to her. I simply cannot allow myself to be open, as any time I share anything like a feeling or a sincere thought about something she winds up judging, criticizing and then using it against me in some way. Studying the Buddho-Christian path is a perfect example. I rarely feel stressed, rarely raise my voice even when I’m bothered by something and I focus on letting many, many things go. This is what the Buddha taught, and most of what Jesus taught in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) reflect a deep understanding of Buddhist teachings. There’s a wonderful book by Marcus Borg entitled Jesus and Buddha: The Common Sayings that might just change the way you view Christianity. My wife is an evangelical Southern Baptist and gets ZERO peace from her religious experience (which doesn’t surprise me at all).
So in my case, I am an emotionally available man when it comes to my close friends, my daughter and my parents. There are definitely situations, though, where I am intentionally very unavailable.
Your friend may or may not be able to express or even identify the source of his emotional problems. Maybe you can talk with him about it and see where the conversation goes. It may also be that he is simply that way because of some circumstance and is unable to process it or deal with it. If that’s the case, you would be doing yourself a great disservice by trying to pursue a relationship with him. If things aren’t pretty awesome when you’re first dating, keep in mind they only go downhill from there.
My best suggestion is to just meet someone else. That’s what I plan to do when my daughter gets old enough to deal with her mother’s issues.
July 18, 2020 at 7:35 am #362008Priyanka SParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for your response.
I am a highly emotional and sentimental person. Before, I go in a relationship with anyone, i need to be emotionally connected. I think the emotional/empath part of me is so developed that even if i havent met the person i can still have/develop quite emotional feelings about the person.
After this happened with me twice, i understood that i need to meet the person and then decide for myself that i want to move ahead with this or not. I am still working on it. This is tough for me because this is against my real nature.
I wanted to tell that before this another thing happened where there was another guy, we knew each other from 2 years, same office. I liked him. i made it too big into my head. When i confessed it to him, he said that he also liked me. At the same time, he had to move to another country. We talked on messages on phone. Because i am so emotionally attuned to the other person, i kind of expect the other person to do the same. if i dont get it, i am not able to reciprocate anything or move forward with the relationship, i m stuck. So, i kind of stayed stuck. he used to tell me that he had no plans of marriage and all in near future, which i was fine with, i was also not looking for marriage then, i just wanted to date. in next four months, he met somebody in the place there he was, in 6 months they got enagaged, 9 months married and 12 months they had a kid. He was 11 years older to me. He told me that his now wife knew about us. I dont know wat happened there. He said it wuldnt have worked due to age issues and all. At the end, he agreed that it was is fault and it was is mistake that he didnt make things clear.
I wasnt out of this when the second thing, which i mentioned in first question. I was also in denial that it didnt matter much to me, so what if he got married , its fine. I started talking to this second guy just after the first thing ended, so i was unknowingly deperate. Desperate for love, affection, attention. I figured out later that i wasnt eating, i was depressed and i also had anxiety.
I am reserved and take my time to open but i have a high emotional quotient.
I have a hard time letting go. With the second guy, i did have intimate conversations a lot of time and i met him in an intimate setting once but i dont know what i was looking for? or why i am so fixated. i would myself like to move and forget about it.
I want it to work because it is not working. i wouldnt want anything which works good on its own. I dont know what this personality trait is?
I ahve met a therapist and I am working on it. I have moved ahead a lot but its still there, its on my mind most of the day. i am not as depressed and anxious due to it. but its there.
Thanks
July 18, 2020 at 7:51 am #362010Priyanka SParticipantHi Bill,
Thanks for your response.
This guy says that he had a relationship where the girl was dating two/three people and never told him. when he confronted her, she denied. Then after some time she was getting engaged and suddenly he was cut off from her life.
When we started talking he told me that he is over it. later one day he told me that he is not over it and we should hold because he doesnt want to do anything just to fill the void. he told this after 6 months to me. Then again one day he was back and initiating intimate talks. He didnt ask me if we can start again. I didnt really speak up for myself or question him about it. We didnt talk much. We again started talking after 5 months and when he would be emotionally available he would interpret it as me wanting commitment, which wasnt the case. I just wanted to know him and be into something which i was doing. Anyway, then he started telling me that he was looking for an open relationship. I could have left but my fixation with things kept me there. Then one day, he was casually talking to me when i got to know that he is seeing someone. i got very angry. for the first time, i told what i actually felt, not completely but still i tried. we discontinued talking. He was back after 3 months when he broke up with that girl. I asked what happened, he said its complicated. i stil felt like shouting and but i didnt. We talked, he was still emotionally unavailable, but this time he was telling that he wanted to have a serious relationship. I felt very angry that i m not an object that u can decide that i want this now or i want that now. But i still didnt say anything. I kind of still wanted it. After that, he was emotionally responsive, more than before, but not enough. I was still feeling miserable. So, i stopped it. Something happened to me, and i decided to ask him about all that happened before and why he did what he did. When i asked him he took no responsibility of anything, he said that it was all too hazy for him because its in the past and why am i venting. i felt so insulted that i didnt really ask all the things.
I just left, blocked him everywhere and decided that i was done with being insulted, humiliated and treated poorly.
I changed cities for this guy only when he asked once, i know thats my fault. But i feel so bad for myself and feel like i dont value myself enough. i think he will not even remember that he ever asked me to move if i tell him. i came to aconclusion now.
But because of all this, i am just very bitter toward everybody especially men.
one good thing out of this is because he didn’t take responsibility, i understood where i went wrong. and i should have prioritized myself over everything.
but i dont want a bitter life, i want a,loving and healthy relationship. Sometimes i feel that i gravitate towards stuck situations like the above.
I have stopped all communication, deleted the contact, so that there is no chance that any communication happens but it s still on my mind. I am not able to get it out of my mind.
Thanks.
July 18, 2020 at 9:02 am #362017AnonymousGuestDear Priyanka S:
You are welcome. Here is my understanding at this point: inside you, you experience emotions intensely, but it doesn’t show on the outside. Most of the emotional storms and intensity that you experience on the inside is never expressed to the outside. Maybe you think that other people can “see” what is happening in your mind and heart, but they can’t.
So even though you are very emotional, you are in practice, “Emotionally unavailable” to other people.
“Before I go in a relationship with anyone, I need to be emotionally connected”- how can you possibly be emotionally connected to a man before you go into a relationship with him? You can feel intensely about a man before a relationship begins, without ever meeting the man (example: a movie star you never met), but there is no connection unless a relationship begins.
“the emotional/ empath part of me is so developed.. because I am so emotionally attuned to the other person, I kind of expect the other person to do the same.. I have a high emotional quotient”- but how can the other person know that you are emotionally developed, attuned and have a high emotional quotient if you are “reserved and take (your) time to open”?
Seems to me that you are often not aware of what you are feeling: “I was unknowingly desperate. Desperate for love”- you didnt know/ weren’t aware that you felt desperate for love. “I figured out later that I wasn’t eating, I was depressed”- you weren’t aware that you were depressed until later.
“With the second guy, I did have intimate conversations.. but I don’t know what I was lookin for?”-
– you feel that you are “attuned to the other person”, but you are not attuned to yourself, to what you feel and what you want.
“I felt very angry that I’m not an object that you can decide that I want this now or I want that now. But I still didnt say anything”- you don’t want the man to impose what he wants on you, as if you were an object, but on the other hand, you are not aware yourself of what you want, and you don’t communicate to the man what it is that you want.
“For the first time, I told him what I actually felt, not completely but I still tried”- here it is, you not expressing to another person what you feel. How is a person to know what you feel if you keep it inside?
“because of all this, I am just bitter toward everybody, especially men.. but I don’t want a bitter life, I want a loving and healthy relationship”- I do hope that you have a loving and healthy relationship. It will take you becoming more and more aware of what you feel and what you want; it will take you expressing and communicating what you feel and want to a man, on a regular basis, and it will take you evaluating men so to decide if any one man is a good fit for you.
anita
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