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November 21, 2014 at 11:13 pm #68223
Matt
ParticipantFinally, if you are also going to ask how can one even live and be content and happy with living a life of pure bliss with no suffering and depression in his/her life? The answer to that would be that people such as me have immense hatred towards suffering, despair, and a lack of pleasure in life and immense hatred towards finding any sort of meaning in any of those things to the point where people such as me would, in fact, be completely happy and content with living a life of pure bliss. It’s not only our immense value towards living such a life of pure bliss that would allow us to fully be happy and content living such a life of pure bliss, but it is also our immense loathing and hatred towards living a life of suffering and despair that would also allow us to be fully happy and fully content living such a life of pure bliss as well.
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November 22, 2014 at 12:19 am #68226Matt
ParticipantNow the reason you would be inferior if you had depression and/or anhedonia is that people such as us experienced pleasure so profoundly and meaningful that we have embraced such feelings of pleasure (pleasure being all good feelings including love) as a vital part of who we are as people. Therefore, to lose such feelings would deem you as an utterly inferior human being and would also deem your life as completely worthless and inferior as well. Feelings of pleasure are a vital part of who we are as human beings (much more important, greater, and far superior to our personality, attitude, and other characteristics as human beings). So this is why you would be utterly inferior if you were to lose such feelings.
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November 22, 2014 at 1:09 am #68228Matt
ParticipantYour conscious is what makes you “you” since it is really who you are as a person. Therefore, since pleasure is also a part of your conscious because your conscious is all sensations and such you can experience, then to lose a very vital part of your conscious (which would be your pleasure), this would make you a lesser person.
November 22, 2014 at 8:15 am #68238Janice
ParticipantHey Matt, I’m sorry you’re struggling with depression. This must be really hard, especially because you say you’ve lived a very happy life before. Let me start off by saying that I am sure you can live a happier life again.
I took the time to read through your thoughts and can see that you took some time to reach your conclusions. However, I’d like to challenge a few of your thoughts if you will:
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“Therefore, I and many other people who suffer from depression and anhedonia (lack of pleasure) are inferior with inferior lives compared to our much greater counterparts (the people we would of been if we instead had our full pleasure in life with little suffering in addition to our achieved greatness and in addition to our achieved benefits). We are also inferior with inferior lives compared to those who do have their full pleasure in life with little suffering and little to no depression in addition to their achieved greatness and benefits such as compassion and many other such positive forms of greatness and benefits.”To me, this way of perceiving people is not very compassionate nor great. How can any person even be inferior? Why do we have to measure up in absolute greatness, accomplishments or happiness? How can that even be objectively measured? And what is greatness anyway? Is being great at music better than being great at selling books? Or the other way around?
I think we all come with different potentials. Who and how we are is a product of our genes, the things we’ve experienced, how we were raised, the encounters we’ve had etc. And because of these factors it can be very hard for some of us to be e.g. compassionate or accomplish things. And the same goes for feeling pleasure. I think most people are trying to be the best they can at that time. And for some it stops at with little compassion or pleasure because they just can’t do it differently at that moment.But none of this makes anyone more or less inferior than anyone else. It just makes them who they are.
I think you need to realize the same about your own situation. I think you should accept that you’re just feeling depressed and lack pleasure at the moment. You said yourself how you notice it’s making it harder for you to be compassionate. It’s hard to be depressed so don’t view yourself as an inferior human being. View yourself as someone who is really struggling at the moment. And you’re still doing what you can with what you have. And I’m not suggesting, as you had implied in your text, that you should accept that you’re depressed now and that’s the end of the story. I think if you move from a place of accepting that you’re feeling anhedonic right now, you may lose some of the additional pain of not having happiness anymore. And it might help you in finding pleasure again in the future. I believe that you are capable of experiencing happiness again.
But just accept that you’re not doing so right now. And maybe strive for absolute bliss might be setting the expectations too high?
You say: “Some people would also say that without pain and suffering, then there can be no pleasure. But this would be false. A baby can be born into this world without having yet experienced pain or suffering and immediately feel happiness and love being in the arms of a mother.”
Actually, when a baby is born, it’s quite likely a very horrible and many hold even traumatic experience. The baby leaves the known, warm, dark womb only to be forcefully pushed outside into a cold, noisy, bright, unknown world.
We can only experience the day as bright because we know night. And we value a warm tea much more after we’ve just escaped the cold rain.I can sense that this is a very personal issue for you and so I hope I didn’t step on your toes here. From reading this I also get the vibe that you’re a great person and I truly hope you can find your pleasure again. May I ask for how long you’ve been struggling with depression?
Much love
October 4, 2016 at 4:50 pm #117197manbuddha
ParticipantMatt, I’m sorry also to hear how you were going through depression. I just logged on to say that no condition is permanent and I fully believe that you will experience happiness and cheerfulness again.
I can see that you are someone who really values the power of logic and looks to apply it. Therefore, You must then take some pride in that and feel good about yourself because real logic is one of the keys to understanding our world. Yet not everyone has it in them to innately value logic.Janice, Janice, please know that I am sitting here praying that you may be blessed, and blessed so so abundantly because you have coronated love.
Hugs, hugs
October 4, 2016 at 7:43 pm #117210Nina Sakura
ParticipantMatt, sorry about your current state of depression. I don’t have any profound answers for your analysis except that the feelings and thoughts of despair, rumination are the parcel of depression. You aren’t inferior for having depression just like someone isn’t inferior for having a broken leg or a cold. It’s a medical illness.
October 5, 2016 at 3:30 am #117235VJ
ParticipantDear Matt,
I understand that you may be suffering from depression, but you need not anymore.
It’s no coincidence that you opened up this thread two years ago (when I was not a member on this site) and now because manbuddha (Thanks) responded to this thread the post has come up on top of the site’s list of current activities where I came across it and would be able to suggest you something….effective.
Please visit the below link and straightaway start off with the action point (the book and the technique)
(http://dev.tinybuddha.com/topic/letting-emotions-flow-and-depression/#post-113479)The official site for the Healing Codes is at -> www(dot)thehealingcodes(dot)com
The book has everything you need but of course if you do not want to wait till you finish the book and have the required financial capabilities then you can also consider Personal Coaching on this process, which is done by a Certified Healing Codes Practitioner. You will get all of that information from their official website.I’m not exaggerating but you surely will be able to enjoy life to its fullest, once again.
Take care,
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