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June 1, 2016 at 8:55 am #106190AnonymousInactive
Hello, Anita.
It’s been a roller coster the past few days. I had really terrible thoughts, so negative about what I’m going to end up like, e.g.: when I saw a homeless person or a guy smoking marijuana. My brain told me this was how I was going to end up.
I still went to a job interview for a receptionist, I didn’t feel good there, still the same thoughts.
After that I realized maybe others are right and I DO have depression and should take better care of myself.
In the afternoon, I went to another job interview for a social worker. I had the feeling that I should have gone there, although now I’m in two minds about it as I don’t think if working with disabled or sick people would serve me well right now. Nevermind, I got back home and I started noticing a few things about mum (I think the woman at the job interview mirrored some of her/mine beliefs maybe).
I wrote down:
– if only she (and dad) liked me as much as they like pubs (I went to a pub for the meeting and felt like at home :D)
– I don’t say sorry because of her, because every time I apologized for something I didn’t do, she didn’t take and it didn’t help (after I first quit school, I had to push myself to even say sorry or thank you to somebody)
– if I’m not her, she won’t like me (if I’m not a good cook, do all the chores, wear clothes she may like..)
– I have nothing to offer (when she noticed I buttoned my sheets the wrong way, I looked for the zipper and suddenly I didn’t feel like a f* assistant but a person with his own opinion and voice) I then realized that I didn’t do anything for myself, not even school or hobbies.There definitely was a reason to “quit” in March, though not my job, but mum (as you were saying, obviously). So.. something tells me to take the social worker job, but I’m afraid you know, it’s mentally difficult.. but maybe there are some lessons to learn for me.
June 1, 2016 at 9:07 am #106195AnonymousGuestDear Lada:
You were so massively criticized and rejected by your mother and not accepted and approved of by your father that your brain ended up giving up, saying something like: what’s the point, I can’t win. You used to try to be your mother, not be Lada but be your mother instead so that she will approve of you. But it can’t be done. So you are stuck not being Lada and not being your mother.
I was in this position, this state on mind and I have been returning to myself. i too was afraid of being homeless. Not only was I afraid, i was in reality homeless. I thought I was going to lose all my senses all together, that my brain will be of no use to me. And indeed, for a long time, it was of no use to me. I am back and this is why I know, you can too.
Only it will take time and what else will it take for you to heal and be Lada again, I don’t know.
I do know it will take you really, really giving up on the aim of getting your mother’s approval. That way you will have no reason to keep Lada out. You take her back in, back into your experience.
anita
June 1, 2016 at 9:08 am #106196AnonymousInactiveThe things is that I don’t know what helped, whether it was medicine that started working more, the job interviews or the fact that I slept at my friend’s yesterday (and have the option to stay there this week).
June 1, 2016 at 9:12 am #106197AnonymousGuestDear Lada:
Regarding your three options of what helped, I vote for sleeping at your friend’s yesterday. I would like you to move out of your mother’s home when possible. That will make your healing possible, will create the circumstances to begin healing (inviting Lada back into your experience, as the one doing the living, the thinking, the feeling…)
maybe it’s the job interview, the feel of independence possible, maybe earning money so you can move out.
anita
June 1, 2016 at 9:12 am #106198AnonymousInactiveWow, your story is very similar. The homeless thing has been in my mind for a long time. I don’t know if moving out is the solution, meaning not seeing her, because the problem is more the “mum in me” than her as a living person. She just said that we have run out of eggs, the first thing that popped in my mind to say was “I can get it tomorrow after my night shift,”, I stayed quiet, then “or we can get it during the week at the mall”, still stayed quiet, than I said to myself “fuck it, it’s not really my problem, I didn’t cause it, it’s not my fault” and suddenly the sentence she said had nothing to do with me and her voice didn’t sound negative at all, just stating things.
June 1, 2016 at 9:17 am #106200AnonymousGuestDear lada:
After i cut all contact with my mother, it took me three years to gave the “mum in me” leave me! 2013-2016.
If you can do it while in contact with her, while living with her, please do. I was not able to do so when in contact with her no matter how hard I tried.
anita
June 1, 2016 at 9:19 am #106201AnonymousInactiveWow. And you didn’t talk to her? I don’t want to hurt her by saying “it’s all your fault, I’m out, not gonna talk to you”. I want a healthy relationship with her, a relationship of two independent people..
June 1, 2016 at 9:21 am #106202AnonymousInactiveAt my friend’s, it was nice to do whatever I wanted, but I didn’t feel good mentally at all. At home I feel guilty for everything I do, especially smiling, having a good mood, when I “should be worrying about money, job”, whatever that means.
June 1, 2016 at 9:26 am #106203AnonymousInactiveI think I wanna rush things because of the entrance exam being held next week, I don’t want to throw my chances for a good career because of what happened.. though it’s just and exam, I can go there and then decide not study if I change my mind..
June 1, 2016 at 9:43 am #106205AnonymousInactiveOh wait.. I had the nudge to sell my car, quit my job, throw my ID away (maybe figuratively) and today when the woman at the job interview was talking about kids I was like “I’d rather babysit healthy kids”. Maybe au-pairing abroad is where I should be? I need to take a few deep breaths now 😀
June 1, 2016 at 10:23 am #106208AnonymousGuestDear Lada:
From your latest post alone, I believe it is a good plan for you to move out, au-pairing abroad sounds like a great idea to me.
The reason I believe it is necessary for you to move out is that by the mere presence of your mother in your physical space, you feel guilty for feeling happy, because you are…supposed to be doing what your mother thinks you should do. Sure it is the internalized mother talking to you when your actual mother is silent, but the actual one is enforcing the internalized one by here mere presence. You look at your mother, and boom, automatically the “mum in you” is reinforced.
You need space away from her. It was very difficult for me to cut contact with my mother. I felt intense guilt… but then I always felt guilty around her. So cutting contact, I felt guilty away from her. Three years later, I have me back.
anita
June 1, 2016 at 10:41 am #106212AnonymousInactiveI’m glad you do. Thank you immensely for your help here. I can now better differentiate my mother’s/brother’s voice from my own (I thought for a while their voices were depression, but I maybe depression just made them stronger?)
I have a night shift today, I will think about it. I hope I’ll be okay there. Maybe I’ll go to my friend’s or move out completely. Abroad is the third option..
“you feel guilty for feeling happy, because you are…supposed to be doing what your mother thinks you should do” that’s a spot on.
Thank you once again, Anita.
June 1, 2016 at 1:46 pm #106222AnonymousGuestDear Lada:
You are very welcome. There is hope for you, great hope. There is a way back. Please post back anytime!
anita
June 1, 2016 at 1:51 pm #106224AnonymousGuestP.S.: yes, depression is a side effect, really, of the real problem which is me giving up on being me and …”becoming” my mother/ you giving up on being you and becoming your mother (your brother, even a stranger on the street… anyone but you). Do you agree?
anitaJune 2, 2016 at 9:54 am #106299AnonymousInactiveHello, Anita. Things are bad again.. The problem is that I realized that I’ve been identifying myself with other people a lot. Mostly men, when I thought they had some special role in my life (too much reading of Tiny Buddha imho), I took it too far. Now I have no idea how to be ME. I’m quite afraid, so I wrote an e-mail to my psychiatrist if he can see me tomorrow..
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