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March 28, 2016 at 5:24 am #100235ravi_zimmerfanParticipant
I actually don’t know about this particular news since I’ve not read the newspapers for long. But articles related to this did appear at least twice in the past few months, which I saw myself, so it must be true. Either way, I do not have the energy and motivation to do exam prep for another year. It’s become a stale and strenuous way of life, I’m overage already and if I wish to fulfill my heart’s desires, including the one we discussed, I cannot afford to keep wasting time. Let’s see.
I’m not sure how to keep track of my progress, if I’ve managed to improve myself in any manner. Though my dad says I’ve not been as short a fuse as I used to be until now, I did lose my temper yesterday again. I had resolved last year to not do it again, and succeeded for 3 months until it happened again, so I don’t know for sure.
Thanks a lot for the compassion and understanding, Anita. You can’t know how much it means to me.
March 28, 2016 at 5:47 am #100238AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
You are welcome.
Regarding assessing your own progress regarding the expressions of your anger, cut yourself some slack when it comes to those expressions when directed at your mother and grandmother because unlike Jerry, your mother and grandmother have mistreated you for about.. 26 years. So your anger is justified.
Like I wrote to you before, I am not recommending you be violent or do anything illegal with anyone at all, including your mother and grandmother, as well as not say abusive words. But do assert yourself firmly with both!
My point again, is that not-all-people-are-created-equal as far as your anger toward them is concerned. These two women…earned your anger because they really did you wrong. So don’t use the same measurement of success in controlling the expressions of your anger when it comes to them as you use with other people.
I get your own interest in studying for the exams. Then study and take a break to post here anytime. Once I am in front of the computer and I see you posted, I open your thread first.
anita
March 28, 2016 at 7:43 am #100251ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYa, I know I have reason to be angry at them. I don’t however have good reason to believe that I can selectively direct my anger only at people who “deserve” it, and not indulge in behaviour commonly called kicking the cat. Speaking of physical violence I’ve never hit anybody in life other than that school bully I had previously mentioned, and I have enough faith in myself to know I can keep it that way forever unless something genuinely serious happens. But using the insecticide analogy, once the anger flares up within, I find it generally stays there for a long time even without me knowing. I don’t know how many times I told Jerry, “I’m sorry for being like that… I was having a bad day”, something like that. But it doesn’t change what happened.
For the last few months I was so irritable that I used to start hissing profanities for something as small as some obstinate vehicle causing us delay on the road. I’m not even an adolescent to blame hormones for being unreasonably angry. I have always liked the path of genuine ahimsa or pacifism mentioned in Buddhism and it has been my desire to put it to practical use as much as possible. But I haven’t succeeded. If only I had, I would not have been facing this day today. I may have the “right” to be angry at some people, but it doesn’t mean I have to be. I can simply be assertive without holding any anger or violence in my heart (emotional violence, not physical). I truly fear that my inner demons can wreak even more havoc when I have a chance to mend everything in the future.
March 28, 2016 at 8:05 am #100253AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
I disagree with your understanding of anger. I believe that it is your misunderstanding of it that is making you miserable and until you have an understanding of what it truly is, until such time, you will continue to struggle. As in “The truth will set you free”- an understanding of what anger truly is, will set you free from kicking the cat.
Anger is not a bad thing, an outside influence, a demon like. It is not poison that needs to be eliminated. Anger is a good feeling because in it there is a valid message. We need to listen to its valid message and act with that message in mind so to operate for our own well being (and the well being of others).
To eliminate anger, to be perfectly peaceful is as impossible as it is to stop being a human while still being alive as a human being.
You wrote above: “I don’t however have good reason to believe that I can selectively direct my anger only at people who “deserve” it, and not indulge in behaviour commonly called kicking the cat.”
It is too bad that you can’t selectively direct your anger at the people who are really hurting you because the natural and real reason we have anger is to selectively protect ourselves against people who are hurting us.
anita
March 28, 2016 at 9:12 pm #100365ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI understand that Anita, and I agree. From my elementary understanding of evolutionary psychology, anger evolved within us as a defense mechanism against threats, mostly coming from individuals we know. I know it’s a natural human emotion we cannot just eliminate. I do however, feel we can control it sufficiently. I read about instances in the life of the Buddha and other great masters where they were badly abused by ill-mannered people, sometimes by their own close ones, but they chose not to “accept” those hurtful words and feel miserable, and instead just moved on with a smile. I may not even come close to having in me their virtues, but I do feel that it’s our choice to understand what message the anger is giving and then, instead of succumbing to it and becoming violent, having enough self-control to forgive and move away until the anger subsides. If I had been able to do that, none of this would’ve happened. But I’m not able to develop that self-control and patience. I always succumb to the anger after a brief spell of self-control.
March 29, 2016 at 8:18 am #100383AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
You and I agree on the following goal: to not ACT abusively to another when angry.
What you and I disagree about is HOW to succeed in the above goal.
Stories out there about buddha and great masters and gods telling us is it desirable to … smile when angry, to smile at the person hurting us, to “turn the other cheek” (Christian bible) so that the one hurting us can hit us on the other cheek as well as they one already hit… all these teachings are wrong, distorted, harmful.
My point, my teaching is: honor your anger. Do not SMILE when angry: that is inauthentic. Don’t aim at behaving in an inauthentic way. It is not wise to behave in inauthentic ways. It is …well, stupid, really.
When angry, let it register in your face the way it naturally does. Let yourself feel it. Do not be alarmed. There is a message there. Evaluate the message. If you are really being hurt, act so to protect yourself or otherwise assert yourself. If you are not really being hurt (old hurt being inappropriately triggered), then … don’t defend/ assert yourself and take time out to figure out you have just been triggered, an old hurt triggered.
I believe that your way of achieving the aim we both agree on will continue to fail. I believe my way will bring you success.
anita
March 29, 2016 at 8:41 am #100385ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI agree, evaluating the message behind the anger is important. But after recognizing it, it’s time to decide what course of action to do depending on the situation being faced. I wasn’t referring to mythology or scriptures (certainly not about turning the other cheek). But for example, the Buddha chose not to let the verbally abusive people affect his mind and chose to simply move on. Almost like refusing to accept a gift from someone… so it’s they who receive it back. In case of something like arguments with my mom, I agree that asserting myself properly is important. Once the situation is resolved, I don’t wish to keep brooding over it and letting my mood be spoiled. I mean, what’s done is done. After the thing is resolved, I feel I should forgive and keep in mind the lesson I learned from it, rather than negative thoughts towards myself or the other person.
But far from this, I’ve noticed that even something trivial like getting into an argument with some random punk in the campus for bumping into me, if I choose to ignore and move on, my inner voice calls me a coward for not fighting him or saying something abusive to provoke him. I had chosen to move on for a good reason… because that guy and incident have no importance in my life in the long run. They’re nothing but momentary. But my inner demons still won’t leave me alone and I spend time stressing over it and getting angry. Surely that is not a healthy thing. On the contrary if I return expletives to such people before going away, the inner demons may not trouble me but my conscience surely rebukes me for having behaved just like the people I dislike. How am I better than them if I act the same way? I suspect that part of the roots of my vile behaviour towards Jerry lie here too. That’s why I’m concerned.
March 29, 2016 at 8:54 am #100387AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
When someone bumps into you and does not apologize on campus, say something: “Hey, you just bumped into me!” Say something. Using profanities would be one extreme (being aggressive, abusive) and saying nothing would be the other extreme (being passive, submissive, cowardly). Find the Middle Way (this is a Buddhist principle, the Middle Way). Be assertive, protest fairly.
What you are saying is that you want to refuse to accept the .. gift of someone being abusive to you, in other words, when the guy bumps into you on campus and does not apologize, you want to feel nothing, is that it? Or to feel grateful for that gift?
Let me know if you can do that, Ravi. I am not going to try such a method. That will spoil any joy I get from receiving a ..pleasant gift, as a gift is not a gift unless it is something nice, kind and loving.
anita
March 29, 2016 at 9:49 am #100392ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYes, the Middle Path is what clicks with me too and I’ve been trying to follow. But like they say, we should choose our battles carefully. Especially if the guy who bumped into me is an egoistic/troublesome type known to involve in violent and questionable activities. If I try to be assertive to him, I feel inside – “Let it be. It’s not worth it. That guy won’t be anywhere in your life after a few minutes… why risk provoking him and making yourself a potential target of violence?” I also have heard that the ability to walk away from a situation choosing not to fight back is either a sign of cowardice or true strength. Like a lion may have the ability to rip apart the couple of jackals growling provocatively near the mouth of its den… but it chooses not to bother, because it 1) knows it has better things to do with its time rather than mess with two lowlives, and 2) has no lack of self-confidence and faith in its strength, if needed. At the same time, the jackals have no courage to keep a step inside the den, because they know it’ll be the last thing they ever do. So they stay at the mouth of the den and keep growling to convince themselves that they’re “strong” by abusing the lion, when within they know the truth.
I cannot help but wonder whether I’m being like the jackal. During non-issues like the incident with Jerry, my inner critical voice forces me to see insults when there are none and forces me to overreact to prove to it that I am “strong”. On the other hand when really confronted with a situation that demands assertiveness or a strong stance, I am not able to do it. I truly do feel this is a deplorable quality and really awful behaviour, at the very least it shows extreme lack of faith in myself and lack of confidence. Even when I was feeling insecure due to her bond with her brother, I kept thinking “I am not good enough… not only is he her blood relation, but he never hurt her unlike me. He must also be so funny and good-natured unlike the depressing and short-tempered individual I am.” She and others kept trying to explain to me that I am a worthy person in my own right, that we both have unique qualities and she does not wish to compare us… but I did not listen.
Gift is a rather incorrect word, I agree. This is what I’ve read – that if someone offers you something and you refuse to accept it, they have to keep it with themselves. Another analogy is someone trying to spit at the sky – it is so high (in the sense of being above petty insults) that the spit falls on the person’s own face. I know it’s too idealistic and hard to apply practically. But I’m just trying to look into all possible options. Maybe now that I’ve started trying to be assertive with my mom, my critical voice won’t provoke me to get violent in other situations when not apt (either with dangerous people like the campus guy or innocents like Jerry).
March 29, 2016 at 12:32 pm #100399AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
In the example of the lion and the jackals, the lion does not attack the jackals who are growling outside its den because their growling doesn’t bother him. He does not perceive it as danger and therefore he feels no fear nor anger. So he is not motivated to attack them.
Regarding your last paragraph, “if someone offers you something and you refuse to accept it, they have to keep it with themselves. I can’t think right now of any example where it is true. If someone gives you a gift and you refuse to accept it, the giver doesn’t have to keep it, he can say: “throw it in the trash then” or say nothing at all, simply not take the gift back. As far as someone bumping into you and not apologizing, if you say nothing, the person who bumped into you and disregarded maybe hurting you, that is not caring, will go on his way more encouraged than before to repeat the same behavior, or will go on as if nothing happened.
About spitting at the sky, depending on the angle and the wind, the spit may or may not fall on the person’s face.
These examples, all three of them are what I call “convenient thinking”- in this case these are ways of thinking that are not correct, not true, but make you feel better about not asserting yourself.
The truth is that you don’t assert yourself with many, including the guy who bumped into you, because you are afraid. But you feel better if you say to yourself: it is wise to not react. I am not reacting because I am wise (not scared).
You attacked Jerry repeatedly because you were not afraid of her, because when you attacked her, she apologized to you. it was safe to attack her. So your anger found a safe expression.
There is no substitution to courage. Only courage will make you strong and confident. Convenient thinking will not make you strong. Only when you practice courage. Then you find yourself standing strong and tall, and you feel on top of the world!
anita
March 29, 2016 at 8:10 pm #100454ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThank you so much Anita, for expanding upon these examples so wonderfully and helping me notice the flaws in the convenient thinking. I had never really thought of it this way. Yes… Jerry having been a “safe target” is what I had realized sometime back after our conversation and I realized that my pent-up anger had gotten directed at her, simply because she’s so soft-hearted, willing to take all blame upon herself and always ready to forgive me without a word simply because of her love for me (until recently when I truly crossed the lines) even though she too is a human being with a heart. I can see I literally treated her like an object, a wedge to sharpen a knife upon, or a punching bag, whatever. It makes me feel absolutely horrible and disgusted at myself. I don’t think even the most abusive and ill-mannered people in the world treat their loved ones like I treated her.
In order to learn to be assertive, I first need to go out by myself away from the influence of certain people in my family. Sadly the inertia has been so strong that I myself don’t feel like stepping out of my room anymore. First step is clearing these exams which my parents have been asking from a long time and promising to give me independence once I do it. I don’t feel they’ll have any excuses left once I succeed. But until then, I want to develop enough self-control to prevent the anger from hurting innocent people until I can manage to develop a permanent change in myself. It’ll take time and life needs to go on until then.
March 29, 2016 at 8:23 pm #100455AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
You sound very reasonable and logical in this last post. I like it!
Fitting your thinking to reality will serve you best.
I am excited about this … reasonableness in your last post. Feelings will change, come and go, better, worse…. but stick to reason and reality throughout. Do what makes sense.
You are way too hard on yourself and really, you are a good hearted, honest young man that I personally highly value! Please take good care of your very valuable self!
Good night (for me)
anita
March 30, 2016 at 3:19 am #100465ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThanks Anita. I will try my best to put it practically to use. Succeeded in preventing myself losing temper a couple of times today and instead just assertively told my grandma my views and went away. Asked dad to make sure that once I hopefully clear the exams in the next few months, I’ll start going out on my own, dealing with people and everything else to get more confidence. Let’s see.
If I truly am a good person, I pray I earn the right to be reunited with her. The only thing I actually wish for.
March 30, 2016 at 7:30 am #100470AnonymousGuestDear Ravi:
Sounds like good work asserting yourself with your grandmother and father. When you told your father that you will start going out on your own etc. once you hopefully clear the exams, notice, being assertive, you are not waiting for his (or mother’s or grandmother’s) permission to go out on your own etc. You are simply notifying them (not asking for permission and not waiting for such).
Regarding being a good person and earning the right to be reunited with Jerry:
I understand how intensely you want Jerry back in your life. And I very much hope it will be so. I also want you to realize you are a good person now, as you are regardless. I am not taking away anything from how strongly you desire her back in your life; I am only saying I hope you build confidence in yourself, realizing you are a good young man now.
I got to know you through our correspondence here and I know that not only were you born good, as all babies are, but you are also a good young man, a good adult.
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anitaMarch 30, 2016 at 9:25 am #100481ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThanks Anita. Means a lot to me. Sadly no matter what I am, does not change what I did. I’m sure even if someone asks her about me, she’ll say this same thing because she’s so sweet and compassionate. But I don’t feel when she thinks of me, she can forget my toxic words even if she doesn’t tell anyone. And I don’t feel the dragon in me has subsided yet. Just today I was wondering whether she’s forgotten me or she still thinks of me sometimes. The voice in my head answered – “Why would she think of someone like you who hurt her so much? She must be happy with her brother who always cares for her and makes her relaxed, unlike you.” I thought I had gotten over that insecurity. Apparently it isn’t so. 🙁 Maybe because I know how much she loved me and I only gave her pain and depression in return.
I got to know my friend who had sent her our convo met with an accident, and is in hospital. I’m extremely disturbed and praying for her recovery, feeling so bad that I had stopped talking to her. She may have been careless, but she surely meant no harm and I consider her as good as a sister. My dad has this habit of sitting behind with me with a gloomy expression if I don’t study properly… he doesn’t say anything, just hopes I take notice and go to study. Today even that was irritating me as I was so disturbed due to these double issues. Scarcely faced a worse time in my life thus far.
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