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March 17, 2019 at 4:45 pm #285039lisaParticipant
Yes, I feel that anger when I think about their, and our family life together. I just remember how cruel my dad was to my mom; calling her stupid, demeaning her, yelling, calling her ‘the old battle ax’. His facial expressions and tone were just terrible; that left a big impression on me. He has always been very self centered.
Ironically, he is now in Assisted Living. He’s 87 and has no short term memory. He will often say what a wonderful person my mom was, and that they had a good relationship, and great life together, and she was the love of his life. I let him live in his current reality, in that I don’t correct him. I wish he could have been kind to her when she was alive.
Ironically, when I was a child, I was a ‘daddy’s girl’, and I thought he was the greatest dad ever, and we (dad and I) thought my mom was dumb and too strict. As time went on, I came to understand that she did the best she could raising us, virtually alone. He was a surgeon, and the household had to tip toe around dad, ‘he’s had a busy day, he’s tired, leave him alone for while…” She wasn’t perfect. She was fearful and anxious. I think she was being the adult, and he was more impulsive and immature.
Anyway, that’s an earful for you, Anita. I really appreciate your input. lisa
March 18, 2019 at 11:58 am #285135AnonymousGuestDear lisa:
“when I was a child, I was a ‘daddy’s girl’, and I thought he was the greatest dad ever, and we (dad and I) thought my mom was dumb and too strict… He was a surgeon, and the household had to tip toe around dad… She was fearful and anxious”.
As a young child, the “we” was you and your father, not you and your mother. Understandably, you identified with your father, with the strong one, the one in control. You didn’t want to be the weak one, that one who is controlled.
You didn’t want to be the “fearful and anxious” party to a relationship, the one who is called names, the one who is being yelled at and talked to disrespectfully. So you lived your life being in control. I think that this is why you have such a difficulty committing to dates on weekdays when your free/after work time is limited. You don’t want another person to control your time when it is limited.
What I understand better now, following your most recent post, is that it is not only that you didn’t want to be like your mother, but that you wanted to be like your father, in control, strong.
What do you think?
anita
March 18, 2019 at 5:21 pm #285203lisaParticipantYes, I idolized my father when I was a kid. I wanted his love and attention. As far a being in control, I’ve always seen to it that I’m in control. With my friends, I’m the driver, and I usually take the lead in making the arrangements. I’m a planner, and have always assumed that I will be on my own.
In my most recent relationship, I was able to go with the flow, and get out of my routine and comfort zone. This always increased my anxiety. As time went on, and I realized I enjoyed the concerts, travel, gifts etc…more than I liked my boyfriend. I became less willing to stretch my limits. He was frustrated, and wanted more time together, and I mainly wanted weekend dates. I know this doesn’t sound very kind of me, but I enjoyed the attention, companionship, a being a part of a family (his kids and family).
I feel very alone much of the time.
March 18, 2019 at 6:23 pm #285215AnonymousGuestDear lisa:
I will reply to your recent post when I am back to the computer in about 11 hours. If you would like to add anything that may be relevant before I am back, please do.
anita
March 18, 2019 at 8:55 pm #285225EskimoParticipantI’ve never done anything like this before, it’s not something I can talk to friends or family about, but I feel as though I need some kind of outside input.
To start off, I’m a 41 yo man. I’ve been married for 18years now. Before any negative thought are put out there, pls read. I realize most will think what they will and that fine, I’d honestly like all opinions. Anyway, 18 years. My wife got sick about 8 months ago. After in and outs at the hospital, the last one being a solid month, she was released to come home the beginning of sep. After we got her settled back in, the fighting started. I blew it off, she’d been under a lot of stress, who could blame her. I never thought any of it was intended for me. Until one day she told me she wanted me gone. She didn’t want me to watch her “die”. Even though I knew that wasn’t really a possibility. I didn’t leave tho. My work keeps me away for long periods of time, but every chance I had to come home I would. But every time, it was always fighting, I still tried to come home. At some point, I just stopped. We talk everyday on the phone, more often then not, it ends in fighting as well. It’s always over stupid things, insignificant things that don’t even matter. I haven’t seen my house or my wife in almost 5 months now. I’m unhappy and feel I need to change something. But that’s another issue as well. I don’t have kids of my own, but she had 3 when we married. I’ve helped to raise and support them as if they were mine. Even have Wa grandson now, he’s my world. I stay with a friend when I do get in. His mom brings him to me, it’s the the only thing I look forward to anymore. One day, not to long ago, my wife told me over the phone. If you ever leave me, you’ll never see him again. That hit me hard…
That was just the back story to the real reason I’m posting this, lol. Sry… I play Mobil games a lot, helps me to escape, get my mind off things. I meet a woman during this time. I didn’t think anything of it, I’ve meet a lot of ppl doing it, men and woman alike. Being around a certain group of ppl for a period of time, personal things come out in the open. This woman found out about experiences I’ve had in the past and she started asking questions about them. Nothing major, innocent, a lot of them asked questions actually. But, the more we talked, the more I wanted to know her. Didn’t matter what it was, I wanted to know it. Then, I started feeling something. I didn’t want to acknowledge it, tried to deny it in fact. But one day we were talking, which we did everyday, still do. It came out. At some point along the way, I fell in love with her. I didn’t want to, shouldn’t have, but I did. I believe that a person can’t control how they feel, only if it’s expressed. Since it came out, i wasn’t taking it back. I knew from the very second it happened, nothing would or could come from it. She knows without a doubt how I feel and I know how she feels. It doesn’t stop me from feeling what I do tho. I even tell her I love her every night before she goes to sleep (not a good thing, I know). She knows me better than any person, including my wife. I’ve told her things that my wife doesn’t know, nobody does. She’s told me things about herself that none know. I can honestly say, I’ve never felt the way I do about another, as I do for her. My heart belongs to her and no other. I’m stuck tho… Forever to be her friend. Which I will gladly do, no matter to cost to myself.
Nothing can be done. I can either choose to try and step out of that “friend” zone and possibly try to further what may or may not be there. Could cost that friendship altogether. The lose would destroy me. In more ways than one. It could cost me her, but it would definitely cost me my grandson. Or, I could do my best to remain where I’m at, as just the friend. Never knowing what could be, if it could be. Staying in this place I’m so unhappy with. Only getting happiness when I talk to her or see my grandson. Obviously, there’s been some details left out, but the general setting is there. Any advice, opinions, anything, would be greatly appreciated. If there’s questions that need answered, pls ask, I’ll answer if it helps me to gain some kind of control over all this. I would like to add that we’ve never been together. There have been a few times where the opportunity for me to be with another woman has been there, I’ve turned all down. It makes me feel guilty, but not in the way it should. I feel like I’m wronging her (not my wife), for even considering to possibility. I find it hard to even attempt to talk to another woman, even if it’s purely friendship, because it feels wrong towards her.
sry for the length, thank you for your time.
March 19, 2019 at 9:48 am #285287AnonymousGuest* Dear Eskimo: can you copy your above post and paste it into your own thread? Click on FORUMS above, scroll down to RELATIONSHIPS, click that, scroll down and paste your post into the empty box. I am looking forward to read and reply to you on your own thread.
Dear lisa:
Do you remember as a child trying to team up with your father, be in his corner against your mother, so to get his attention, his approval, his love… maybe getting some positive attention at times but also suffering painful rejections from him, that “we” union with him being rejected?
anita
March 19, 2019 at 10:33 am #285311lisaParticipantYes, we teamed up together and made fun of my mom, or he’d pick me up at church and we’d go to breakfast instead of me going to church. However, he was cruel to me; when I practiced driving with him, I started crying when he yelled at me, and said “oh, don’t indulge yourself” (by crying). I remember an incident when he shamed me, for the wide tooth smile I gave when we were opening Christmas presents; “oh, don’t do that, just smile…” It seems I have always been highly sensitive, and I have had a complicated relationship with my dad. I just would like to not have this impact my ability for form a committed relationship with a man.
March 19, 2019 at 10:48 am #285325AnonymousGuestDear lisa:
It is not the nature of the relationship between your parents that hurt you most, it is your personal relationship with your father that hurt you most. I think that your mother was not available to you, anxious and otherwise occupied. You teamed up with your father but he betrayed the team when he yelled at you and disapproved of your crying and criticized your smile.
As a child, you were 100% loyal and committed to your father you would have done anything and everything in honor of that team. But he was not that loyal. There is an enormous hurt involved, when a child is betrayed by the most important person in her life, the one she looks up to as the greatest and the best, as that idol you mentioned (“I idolized my father when I was a kid”).
I think that this is what your anxiety in the context of romantic relationships has been about all these years, not wanting to feel again that hurt of betrayal.
What do you think?
anita
March 19, 2019 at 11:08 am #285331lisaParticipantMaybe? I don’t want to be surprised, and hurt again. How do I let this go, or work through it?
March 19, 2019 at 11:31 am #285337AnonymousGuestDear lisa:
Best place to work through it is in quality psychotherapy, with a capable, understanding, empathetic therapist that you can learn to appreciate and trust.
The hurt from back then, the hurt of betrayal, it doesn’t go away because time goes by. The experience is well recorded in the brain. It is cemented there with fear, not wanting to feel that hurt again.
We are afraid of feeling pain, physical, emotional.
We get less scared when we allow ourselves to feel some of that hurt/ pain. When we do, we learn that this kind of pain will not kill us. That way we become less afraid.
You can try, once you are calm, maybe after a hot bath or some relaxing activity, you can try a writing exercise, writing about that hurt of the young girl that you were, using the language of a young girl, simple words, simple sentences. You are welcome to try it here, if you want. It wouldn’t be therapy of course (and I am not a therapist!), but maybe it will give you a feel of what I mean by feeling a bit of the pain not being dangerous to you.
anita
March 19, 2019 at 4:02 pm #285367lisaParticipantThanks Anita, it sounds like a worthwhile endeavor. I appreciate your feedback and suggestions.
March 19, 2019 at 4:57 pm #285373AnonymousGuestYou are welcome, lisa. Post again anytime and I will be glad to reply to you.
anita
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