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October 2, 2017 at 11:27 am #171295MinaParticipant
Anita,
I would answer your questions gladly :
1. It depends. If you are a “nobody” but your partner is “someone” – that makes you “someone” as well. You can be someone before graduating from a prestigious university if you are a very social person that has a lot of connection and helps you get jobs easier. Or you already have a small but very successful business when you are still a student, you are already “someone” as well. Again, the standards of being someone is very wide. Being someone = being successful
2. You are required to have a family in a sense. What is the point of having everything but you have no one to share it? That is very lonely and we considered it worse than not having a job. Especially if you are older than 30 years old, you have to get married. At the very least.
3. My parents are “someone” – they are well educated. Considering how most of Asians (older generations) does not really have a good education, but my grandfather was the first person in my country to have a scholarship and study at UCLA. This was back in 1950s. It was a big deal. My family is known as a family that puts education and prestige as a very important thing. My parents and my grandparents all graduated with masters degree.
You can imagine the shock of my family hearing how I want to give up my whole education for my husband. For a man.
As if it is a bad thing.
I do not think that you completely understand, Anita.
The only reason why I want to be someone is because I want to marry someone as well.
I won’t continue being “someone” as I will give up my profession for my husband, as I have wrote above.
I will the one supporting “someone” which is my own husband.
Am I content with my parents being “someone”?
At some point, yes. People tends to respect me. I enjoy the spotlight of my parents.
I enjoy the fact that I am pretty well off so I can travel and shop when I want to.
That I have a lot of privileges that others do not have.
Does it feels my heart with love?
No. You know this already. My parents does loves me, I am aware of that. They just have a hard time expressing themselves.
They think that “love” is forcing their child to be as successful as possible. I do not blame them, I understand.
I won’t teach my kids the same. I will try to teach them kindness and openness.
-Mina
October 2, 2017 at 12:00 pm #171305AnonymousGuestDear Mina:
I appreciate you answering my questions. I ask questions not necessarily because I don’t understand: I am very familiar with the concept of Someone being someone successful as you described it. The concept is not unique to the Korean/ Asian culture. I ask the questions I ask because I challenge social conventions, such as being a Someone or a No-one.
There is more than one item in your last post for me to challenge. I will challenge one. That one item is the following statement that you made: “My parents does loves me, I am aware of that. They just have a hard time expressing themselves”-
My challenge:
When a “loving” person fails to express their love, they fail at loving, same as not loving.
When a “loving” person rejects their “loved one”, the “loved one” is not loved and the “loving” person is not loving.
When a person is not loving, that person is not a Someone.
anita
October 3, 2017 at 7:31 am #171353MinaParticipant[Sept 3rd, 2017]
Gyunnie,
I went to the airport today.
Most people think will think that I am super crazy for going here.
But I need this.
To just go here, seeing people leave and coming back.
It was so beautiful.
I saw this one guy, he was holding 2 roses on his hands.
He wasn’t aware but I waited with him in front of the arrival gate. I wonder who is he waiting for.
Maybe his wife & kid?
That was what I assumed. Or maybe some friends.
I waited for 15 minutes with him.
Finally the person that he was waiting for had arrived! He ran up to them and gave them the flowers.
It was his parents.
I was surprised. I didn’t know why.
I hadn’t see that coming. I was 99 percent sure that he was waiting for his girlfriend.I was wrong.
I realise that I’ve been wrong a lot of times in my life as well.
I do wonder why my life is lonely these days.
Why I’ve been so lonely and “not normal” ever since the break up.
It’s like I am a totally different person.
I remember people telling me to act normal so my feelings will be normal as well.
It’s really hard.
I think in a sense, I enjoy feeling this way – dwelling on the break up and the feeling of sadness that comes from losing you. Because without it, I will be completely empty.
I will have no feelings, at all.
And having no feelings at all is a lot scarier than having depressing feelings and thoughts.Gyunnie,
Tomorrow is Thanksgiving day.
Are you nervous or stressed out?
I hope not.
If people ask about me, you can just say that I died. Or I never existed. Or blame me for the break up.
Be strong, stay strong. Stand tall in front of your aunt.
She’s just jealous of you, babe.
She’s always jealous of an amazing person like you.I tried remembering a few moments that I shared with you, it’s getting harder and harder for me to remember everything like I used to do.
I am losing my memories, one by one.
I am erasing our special place, one by one.
I am erasing you slowly and surely
Isn’t that scary? Are you … perhaps mad?
Maybe time pity me.
Time has been the witness of everything and now time is healing me, in it’s own special way – by forgetting you.I am also well aware that someday this one way letter to you has to end. Somehow.
Because writing here will never make me gain any reply from you.
I know that you’re alive and you are well.
But sometimes, I forgot that you’re phsyically alive somewhere in this world.
That you are just one “click” away from me.
One phone call away.
One bus ride away.
That you’re still here with me.
Even though there are million of miles between us.Goodnight Gyunnie.
[Incheon Airport, 9:40pm]Love,
-MinaOctober 3, 2017 at 8:55 am #171367MinaParticipantAnita,
I would explore those questions or challenge later on, I just have something on my mind right now.
I hope you can give me advices, genuine advices whether this is a bad or a good idea.
I am thinking about sending Gyunnie, a Happy Thanksgiving day message.
I know, I know – I sound very pathetic right now, looking for every silliest / smallest opportunity to talk with him.
But somehow, I just want to.
I have a plan to ask him about whether he gets accepted into Y University or not, and just life in general after the Thanksgiving message.
Tell me what do you think.
-Mina
October 3, 2017 at 8:57 am #171369MinaParticipantI am thinking that maybe it is possible to start again.
I do not know.
I sound crazy.
October 3, 2017 at 10:09 am #171371AnonymousGuestDear Mina:
I think it is a fine idea. I don’t see any disadvantage to it. And I don’t think it is pathetic or crazy. According to your last letter to him you are beginning to forget. There is one thing I don’t want you to forget and that is your experience of being accepted by him as you are, your authentic self, that is, the experience of being loved. I would like this experience to extend to you accepting yourself as you are. It is necessary for your mental well-being.
Yes, Happy Thanksgiving to you!
anita
October 3, 2017 at 10:31 am #171373MinaParticipantAnita,
Thanks so much for the advice.
You wrote : “There is one thing I don’t want you to forget and that is your experience of being accepted by him as you are, your authentic self, that is, the experience of being loved.”
So by talking to Gyunnie, it will help me remember the feeling?
Help me remember the Mina that is authentic?
I remember you mentioning how you think it will be great for me to keep on something small that Gyunnie gave to me in my everyday lives. Something that I can carry everywhere I go.
To be a reminder of the Mina that he accepted and loved.
You were right about it.
But at the same time, I cannot help but think about how once I am out of “sync” with Gyunnie, I started to self destruct. That point, I notice myself.
I started rejecting myself without me knowing.
You can notice the difference of my attitude from time to time.
-Mina
October 3, 2017 at 10:55 am #171377AnonymousGuestDear Mina:
I would like you to remember having been accepted and loved whether or not you contact him. I am okay with the idea of contacting him because you want to, because he was never abusive to you and not at all likely to be, because it will be more of Reality for you, if you contact him. I don’t know how he will respond, I imagine kindly.
I wonder if you should add a line to your message to him, that you are interested in occasional communication with him, that you miss him and would like some contact, asking him how he feels about it? Some contact may benefit the two of you.
Regarding you rejecting yourself without even knowing, that is because you were rejected by your parents, rejected as the authentic Mina. Patents often take care of their children’s physical needs, but neglect their emotional needs. And so, what results is children/ adult children who are well fed (often enough, overly fed), well clothed, etc., but unloved and unhappy.
We, humans, are much more than physical bodies that need to be fed and clothed, and we are more than a brain that needs formal education. We have emotions and those get automatically hurt when ignored and rejected by our parents.
anita
October 3, 2017 at 11:12 am #171381MinaParticipantAnita,
You wrote : “I wonder if you should add a line to your message to him, that you are interested in occasional communication with him, that you miss him and would like some contact, asking him how he feels about it?”
Hmm, this one is a reach I think.
I do not want to burden him too much, I will just see the situation tomorrow and try to understand the way that he responds to my message.
It all depends on Gyunnie`s responds to my message tomorrow.
I dont know …. wish me luck, I guess, Anita?
-Mina
October 3, 2017 at 12:24 pm #171383AnonymousGuestDear Mina:
Luck happens in gambling and in combination of random events that turn out advantageous. From my understanding, Gyunnie is far from operating randomly. And so, I hope he will be pleased to receive your message, and that he will reply kindly. I cautiously hope for a suggestion on his part for a limited communication between the two of you (he may be thinking you are not interest in such though).
I hope you let me know soon what happens.
anita
October 4, 2017 at 5:43 am #171473MinaParticipant[Oct 4, 2017]
This will be the last letter that I posted here. I wanna thank every single silent readers or anyone who has commented in my thread here in Tiny Buddha. Especially to Anita.
Gyunnie is also thanking everyone here who has been very supportive of me and him.
I will be posting my last conversation of me and Gyunnie here :
Mina : Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you have a happy one.
Gyunnie : Yes, you too. Have a fun thanksgiving day!!
Mina : Thank you … I hope you do not mind me asking but did you get accepted into Y university?
Gyunnie : Yes I did! I got accepted, that is why I am currently not attending K university this semester hahaha
Mina : Wow!! Congratulations. I am so happy for you. After all those struggles, you really deserve it. My sincerest congratulations for you once again.
Gyunnie : Hahahaha thank you … really thank you so much. I hope your university life goes well as well!
Mina : Yes, yes! Are you currently living in Daegu (another city in Korea, about 3 hours from Seoul) because Peter (the name of the guy that introduced us) keeps asking me about why he have not seen you around in the dorm?
Gyunnie : Hahahahha, yeah that is right.
Mina : I really hope you do not mind me asking you these questions, sorry if you mind!
Gyunnie : No no, you can ask. It is okay
Mina : Thank you … the truth is I was worried about you a lot, but hearing you sounding fine makes me feel happy 🙂 sorry that it sounds so random
Gyunnie : Do not worry about me. I am really doing well. I just have something stuck inside me because I still do not know the right manner to date. I did not know that you were worried about me … and since I am really fine right now, do not worry about me and take care of yourself.
Mina : No, I also have a lot of regrets. I never got to say “thank you” to you and I feel like I was not a good partner for you as well. I could not help you or support you much during your hard times. You were a good boyfriend to me, regardless of anything that had happened. I wanted to say that to you, just once.
Gyunnie : Really …. thank you.
Mina : Sorry that it sounds out of the blue. I wanted to say those things for a very long time but I feel like I was not ready… even though it is very late, thank you for listening to every single things of what I needed to say. Thank you.
Gyunnie : Really … thank you so much, stay well
Mina : You too … be well and be happy .. goodbye
Gyunnie stopped replying after that.
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I cried. Obviously. It was really hard since his message was very clear to me.
We are done, it is the harsh reality that I refused to acknowledged until today but he reminded me once again.
Being the honest and straight forward person that he is, he wants me to move on.
I know that.
My heart is shattered, I am feeling a lot of rough emotions from talking to Gyunnie.
I spent 3 months talking here as you guys were him that when I talked to the real person, it did not felt real,
Until he said a lot of things that was just … so him. So honest. Full of sincerity that he wished me well, but our relationship cannot continue any longer in the future as well.
I felt relieved that I finally got to say what I had wrote here to him directly, even though all he can say was “thank you”
My heart feels very heavy everyone.
-Mina
October 4, 2017 at 5:59 am #171475AnonymousGuestDear Mina:
You are welcome. I understand why you need to end the “daily letter of mina”- why you choose to close this chapter of your life titled “Gyunnie”.
The new book, so to speak, has the title “Mina”, I hope. This book is about Mina being true to herself, knowing she is a Someone from birth, born a Someone, loving and worthy of being loved.
anita
October 4, 2017 at 6:21 am #171477MinaParticipantAnita,
Gyunnie ended this letter for me, he also ended this one way relationship that I have been doing all these time by myself.
It does not make any sense to my heart or to my head anymore to talk to him as if things never changes between us, as if we never broke up.
It is so hard, like break up with him all over again, but now I feel more content. Because this time, it is real.
Real for Mina.
Anita, I would like to know your opinion on the whole conversation and my feeling about it in general.
Thanks
-Mina
October 4, 2017 at 8:05 am #171483AnonymousGuestDear Mina:
I just lost a very detailed response with quotes and analysis. Too bad. I will summarize it here:
In the conversation you initiated thanking him five times, profusely thanking him. He thanked you three times, once following you congratulating him and twice following your thanking him. You apologized to him five times or so as well. He did not apologize to you. You expressed a heavy heart to him, expressing regret and worry for him. He expressed light heartedness, supplemented with “hahaha”.
It reads to me that following the breakup, you were very occupied with thoughts and feelings about him and the relationship but he was not. And so, I agree with your conclusion that following the breakup, this has been a “one way relationship that I have been doing all these time by myself”.
Regarding the profuse thanking him (in this conversation and the birthday wishing one) and profuse apologizing, these indicate to me that you present yourself to him as unworthy of him. This kind of positioning of yourself to him, as his inferior, is not to my liking.
I suggested to you yesterday that contacting him “will be more of Reality for you”, and indeed you wrote last: “now I feel more content. Because this time, it is real”- we do feel content when our thinking fits reality.
anita
October 4, 2017 at 8:32 am #171487MinaParticipantAnita,
I can feel it.
Gyunnie was not having a hard time because of the break up, he was having a hard time because of army and Y university.
That was the reality. The truth.
It was painful facing it, Anita. I won’t lie about it.
My most favourite and important part from what he said was regarding the whole thing where mentioned that I am very concerned about him,
He told me the words that I have been waiting to hear from him,
“I am fine. Do not worry about me, worry about yourself.”
What do you think?
-Mina
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