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  • #184597
    ben
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    Hello all, new here my name is Ben. 24yrs old, live in UK, temp working at the mo.

    I have a very active mind. I’ve been into spirituality for several years now and suffer from great confusion about decision making and change.

    I come from a background/family of financial services professionals who have been very successful in business (highly analytical and judgmental minds) but who struggle in other areas of life such as relationships, addiction and other neurotic behaviour.

    I pretty much at all times suffer from confusion. My mind overwhelmes me and makes decision making impossible. I think I am someone who manifests highly. I experience fleeting moments of seeing true beauty in the world more so than others (seeing how beautiful it is).

    I struggle with happiness, peace of mind and tranquility. I am and have been getting help over the last five years, I have such a disbelief in change, I’m very stuck.

    Can anyone help? I guess what I’m saying is my rents are quite traditional english people who share the common dysfunctional traits that can be seen across the society but link this with an intellectual/analytical mind.

    Does anyone have any experience of people like this or experience these sorts of issues themselves? I’m all ears.

    Best wishes

    Ben

    P.S. I’ve tried many many things, meditation (struggled to stick with it though) & TM meditation, different talking therapies, different medication and self-help books, talking to friends etc. So I guess I’m also looking for something that is fairly exceptional as I am highly dysfunctional at present. Also, writing this is quite a difficult experience as I feel confused even when writing this and don’t believe I will have any response that will have an impact on my life.

    #184615
    VJ
    Participant

    Hello Ben,

    Happy new year to you.

    Would like to know on a few clarifications.

    “I have a very active mind.”
    Could you elaborate on this more. Do you keep getting thoughts all the time? Does your brain fog? – head gets clouded and can’t think, say or do anything? What all do you mean by “active mind”? Anything else that you want to tell here?

    “I’ve been into spirituality for several years now and suffer from great confusion about decision making and change”
    Can you tell what all comes under “spirituality” that you have been into?

    “I think I am someone who manifests highly
    Did you mean “hardly” instead of the word “highly” here?

    “my rents are quite traditional english people who share the common dysfunctional traits that can be seen across the society but link this with an intellectual/analytical mind”
    I want to thoroughly understand the above line, especially the last portion “….link this with an intellectual/analytical mind”

    Can you give me the full details of what all you have tried as mentioned in the “P.S.” section of your post?
    This is just so that I don’t suggest you the same thing again and that it is something fairly exceptional.
    Just a few words of bullet points is fine for me to know. I will start with a few examples for you.
    – Meditation (which specific types??)
    – Transcendental meditation
    – Talking therapies – talking to a counsellor??
    – Medication (what kind of and for what??)
    – Self-help books (which ones??)

    Warm Regards,
    VJ

    #184647
    ben
    Participant

    Hi VJ

     

    thabks for responding to my post.

    yea so active mind i mean both what you’ve said there really, a fogging to the point where I almost feel sick an overwhelming of thinking and confusion about everything from what I do next to the purpose of the universe, I’m sick of and from my thinking. Many thoughts and deep thoughts combined with fogging.

    in terms of the spirituality I’ve been into I can say that eckhart role has been influential in terms of his wisdom on an intellectual level less so on an experiential level. This has been for the last 2/3 years I’d say since my depression started about 6 years ago.

    no I mean manifests highly, I’ve been a professional sportsman, started up small businesses and other bits and pieces and when I’m happy I enjoy life very fully and feel very happy but this is so infrequent.

    So in regards to the comment about English people’s dysfunction I mean the common traits could be seen as lack of emotional understanding and traditional approach to relationships and insecurities masked by class perhaps. I guess I’m trying to describe my character, dysfunctional traits combined with over analytical and active mind. I hope this gives some insight?

    I’ve done the following:

    TM meditation

    Mindfulness Meditation (8 week programme)

    CBT therapy

    talking therapy (counsellor)

    Reflective therapy (still doing currently, most effective thus far, I think it’s called this but basically it’s where the therapist or person isn’t really in the room all the therapy is reflective of me and my feelings that I’ve experienced in the past and then in the room).

    sertraline medication (150mg a day for 3 months now)

    other medications but for short periods of time I guess I didn’t really give it a chance.

    a new Earth, power of now eckhart tolle.

    i think there’s a common theme by way of my inability to have patience and try something out.

    ive been told I have a high capacity for awareness or growth by my therapist who I’m currently seeing who is a highly qualified therapist (qualified being key word).

    anything else please let me know and thanks for helping.

    best wishes

    ben

     

    #184665
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear ben:

    You are probably confused, I am thinking, because of dissociation from early emotional experiences, happening in childhood. To be clear, not confused, we have to have access to our emotions, awareness of our emotions and the valid messages they have for us. Without such access, such awareness, we are confused.

    The “analytical mind” , “active mind” you mentioned, as hard as it works, as hard as you put your intellect to work, can not make up for the lack of emotional awareness.

    Fear is what stands between us and emotional awareness of childhood emotional experiences. We are naturally repulsed by pain, and so, for the same reason we disassociated from painful childhood experiences, we keep the disassociation in effect.

    If you reply to my post here with your thoughts and feelings, I will reply further as I have more thoughts and suggestions.

    anita

    #184667
    Anonymous
    Guest

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    #184803
    ben
    Participant

    HI Anita

    im glad you’ve said this, I had a bit of a realisation last night that I’m scared of reality, running away from something, driven by fear.

    Please expand on what you’re saying and suggest ways to surface this pain and understand it?

    I have a therapy session next Tuesday and am considering doing a silent retreat soon to really be with myself.

    be good to get your thoughts on that as well.

    best wishes

    ben

    #184819
    VJ
    Participant

    Dear Ben,

    It’s good that you have been following the teachings of master Eckhart Tolle. Things are going to be simple for you to follow.

    Take a break for yourself from all of the spiritual healing techniques and self-help books.
    I’ve done and gone through them so you need not do the homework. What I am going to suggest you are also some of the spiritual healing techniques but only the ones that are necessary for you and something that will work.

    Yes, understanding the concepts theoretically is far much different from experiencing it experientiallyΒ but is possible through doing themΒ practically. I am going to suggest you something from Eckhart’s teachings of “The Power of Now” and “A new earth: Awakening to your life purpose”. But these are going to be practical exercises and will be required to be done regularly and diligently. You need not have to do anything else for the overactive mind.

    The root cause of all pain and suffering caused is due to an overactive mind. I will go ahead even further and call it a hyper active mind.

    “…over analytical and active mind, overwhelming of thinking and confusion about everything…”
    All of these that you are experiencing are nothing but β€œhyper mind activity” and not really happening in reality, and I’m sure you are already aware of this.

    When your mind won’t let you alone, feel the inner energy of your entire body.

    All you have to do is get out of your head and bring your attention back to the awareness of your inner body.

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    Feel Your Inner Body:

    If you are not familiar with β€œinner body” awareness, close your eyes for a moment and find out if there is life inside your hands. Don’t ask your mind…go to the hands directly. By this it means to become aware of the subtle feeling of aliveness inside them. Raise your hand and with your eyes closed try to find where your lifted hand is. It is there. You just have to go there with your attention to notice it with your eyes closed. You may get a slight tingling sensation at first, then a feeling of energy or aliveness. If you hold your attention in your hands for a while, the sense of aliveness will intensify…

    Then go to your feet, keep your attention there for a minute or so, and begin to feel your hands and feet at the same time. Then incorporate other parts of the body–legs, arms, abdomen, chest, and so on–go into that feeling until you are aware of the inner body as a global sense of aliveness. Feel the entire inner body as one single energy field.

    Practice this exercise to get a feel for the energy in your inner body. When you know and recognize that feeling, you can call upon it anytime you want to feel peaceful and happy. If you are yet unable to feel the entire body at once then choosing any one part of the body will work equally. For me, the chest or the heart area is where I can feel it most easily as it is more intense there. If the feeling for you is more intense in one particular area of your body then you can focus more there.

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    Daily morning and night routine:Β 

    When you are unoccupied for a few minutes, and especially last thing at night before falling asleep and first thing in the morning before getting up, β€œflood” your body with consciousness (energy field inside the body).

    Close your eyes.

    Lie flat on your back.

    Choose different parts of your body to focus your attention on briefly at first: hands, feet, arms, legs, abdomen, chest, head, and so on. Feel the life energy inside those partsΒ as intensely as you can.

    Stay with each part for fifteen seconds or so. Then let your attention run through the body like a wave a few times, from feet to head and back again.

    This need only take a minute or so. After that, feel the inner body in its totality, as a single field of energy. Hold that feeling for a few minutes.

    Be intensely present during that time, present in every cell of your body.Β Don’t be concerned if the mind occasionally succeeds in drawing your attention out of the body and you lose yourself in some thought. As soon as you notice that this has happened, just return your attention to the inner body.
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    All throughout your day:

    The morning and the nightly daily routine are itself going to be highly beneficial for you to carry on with your day without much of the “troubling” mind.

    But use your day-to-day activities itself as a form of spiritual practice in bringing peace to your situation.

    Use the mindfulness practice in all that you do.

    β€œMindfulness means paying attention in a particular way:
    on purpose, in the present moment, and non-judgmentally.” ~Jon Kabat-Zinn

    This is not going to be difficult work. Also, I am not referring to the mindfulness meditation. In fact I suggest you won’t even need meditation. Use your daily life itself as a spiritual practice.Β Practice mindfulness in all of your day to day activities.Β To experience life fully and enjoy fully you will need to live inΒ the moment.

    1. Think of a to-do on your list.Β Something that’s tedious or seems trivial is ideal . . . like washing your hands or walking the dog. It could be something you usually do unconsciously, just going through the motions to get it over with . . . like packing your kids’ lunches or mowing the lawn.
    2. Decide to do itΒ fully.Β Doing something fully means giving it your full attention and doing it on purpose. By never doing anything unwillingly, you become internally aligned with the external activity instead of there being a conflict and not allowing the mind to wander.
    3. Engage all your senses.Β Smell the grass you’re cutting, feel the wind blow against you as you go, see the trees around you, listen to the lawnmower.

    It may not feel natural or make sense at first. But it will become second nature. And the more you bring those present moments into your life, the more our old conditioning (our tendency to worry, to become anxious, to feel depressed, or to engage in unhealthy behaviors) is released.

    Practicing present moment awareness with simple items on your to-do list or small challenges in your everyday life retrains your mind and better prepares you to deal with problems of any size and nature. So eventually you can transcend them with ease.

    Mastering the art ofΒ breaking down life into the present momentΒ is just one important step in raising your level of consciousness to transcend any struggle that arises in your life.

    This can even be done with an as simple activity as walking.

    Try walking for a while as if your feet is kissing the ground.

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    Feeling your inner body and mindfulness will cut the link with any mind activity (the root cause of all problems), making you present, giving you a sense of peace, happiness and joy again. With the help of mindfulness and inner body awareness you will be able to live a happy joyful life again and that too inspite of any other challenges it throws. How beautiful that would be like?

    Follow all of the routines mentioned above and see how it feels without attaching your mind to any results. The mind will ask β€œIs that even working?” or “I am unable to feel anything”. This will mean that the mind has taken over again. Return back to the energy of your inner body.Β It is always there. You will begin to feel happy, peaceful and joyful again.

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    You also asked – “…..What I do next to the purpose of the universe”

    Take a look at the below videos. You can listen and re-listen to these, but just these. Remember you are not going to touch any other spiritual practice or self-help books πŸ™‚ . Do not allow the “monkey mind” to jump from one video to another, from one book to another, from one spiritual article to another.Β Because all you ever need is in this post.

    (www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AoiWPCgjXg)

    (www.youtube.com/watch?v=yltxmm90N5g)

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    All of the above practices are going to take care of all the issues mentioned on your post.

    But I will also suggest you something to do additionally and alongside.

    It is called the ‘The Wayne Cook Posture” from Donna Eden’s Energy Healing Techniques.

    It is used for brain fogginess, clouded mind, not having enough clarity in thoughts.

    (www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPT19Im8vnU)

    (www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhllemDYXo0)

    (www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCp-O995IDk)

    This is a simple technique but not a substitute for Presence or mindfulness. In fact you can combine it in a way by doing the Wayne Cook Posture to unscramble the energies in your body and mind making you ready to practice Presence and Mindfulness all throughout your day including the daily morning and nightly routine.

     

    Best Regards,

    VJ

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 10 months ago by VJ.
    #184837
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Ben:

    When you are anxious, that is fearful on an ongoing basis, certain chemicals are released on an ongoing basis in the brain and in the rest of the body. As a result of this mix of chemicals a fog of sorts is created in the brain. You can’t see clearly through that fog and as a result, healthy functioning is not possible. Where do you go when you can’t see what is in front of you and around you…

    To clear this fog, you have to relax. But not only at this particular moment, not only during a meditation session or a silent retreat. But on an ongoing basis. Anxiety is fear on an ongoing basis, and so, relaxing has to be ongoing as well.

    This ongoing relaxing of yourself, of your brain and rest of body, has to be done repeatedly, every time you notice that you are anxious, every time you notice an elevation of distress. This requires noticing (Mindfulness), lots of persistence and patience with the process, gentleness with yourself as there is no perfection in such process and practice.

    You wrote that you tried therapy. Well, not all therapies and therapists are created equal. To become aware of your emotions, it may help for you to talk not from the intellect part of you but from the emotional part of you. If you would like to try this, then on your next post to me, you can share from the emotional part by using language that a child will use, simple, short sentences. Imagine you are a child, assume the expression you think you had as a child and type away.

    anita

    #184883
    Peter
    Participant

    My own experience of a over active mind started to change when I accepted that I have an active mind and that I like contemplating new ideas and such.

    One of the problem is that I tended to focus on the forest, all the questions at once instead of one tree at a time. So, I hit allot of tress. Another issue was growing up everyone would tell me me “I think to much” so felt undeserved shame about accepting my authentic nature and so struggled with sense of self not being acceptable

    For the first problem I found it helpful to let go of questions such as meaning and purpose. Not that I still don’t ponder such questions but that I don’t worry about or attach myself to the answers or lack of answers. For the second issue – that is a work in progress.

    I found your statement – β€œI struggle with happiness, peace of mind and tranquility” interesting. As long as you struggle with happiness and peace of mind it is not possible to have peace of mind or happiness and so you defeat yourself. The answer of course is to stop struggling. I know easier said then done (we work for that which no work is required) however when you do emerge from the struggle, (and you will) it will be exactly what you will have done.

    Happiness isn’t something we create its something we notice and allow ourselves to experience. Β When you are struggling remind yourself that it is the struggle and not anything that is actually happening to you that is preventing the experience of happiness. You can be happy even in a storm. I suspect a part of us likes to struggle and even be unhappy. Can we be happy about being unhappy… I think so… if we don’t struggle.

    I also think you can also have peace of mind when your mind is full of thoughts. Why not? Especially if if thinking is part of your nature.Β  Such a perspective creates the space where you can learn to step back and select the thoughts (trees) you wish to focus on and in this way no longer become overwhelmed. It is the struggle more then anything thing happening that is creating the confusion. Step back and notice that you have always dealt with the stuff that has come your way. When things didn’t work out as hope for and those that did, you learned from. You will continue to deal with the stuff that comes your way. You can act with intention working towards goals and wondering about the outcome without struggling with a imagined future that may or may not be. The mind can rest even in action.

    Practice taking a step back from your thoughts when you notice them overwhelming. In those times, you can’t, find a safe place and jump in. If you do you will find yourself coming out of those experiences much sooner and occurring less frequently. Its like getting caught in a rip tide, the more your struggle the longer you will stay submerged and the further away the water will carry you. If you relax and maybe even enjoy the ride, the water will spit you out.

    #185775
    ben
    Participant

    I want to say thank you for reaching out and responding to my post.

    I feel like depression and anger are the two states I experience most.

    A lot has happened since my last post. I have realised the truth of my parents relationship and fallen out my an old and close friend.

    firstly the truth behind their relationship troubles and ultimately how I have been raised has been under an illusion of hiding certain feelings. My dad takes my mum for granted and i had to tell her the other day that he makes no effort and she is avoiding this herself. Telling her this in an effort to move forward as a family was the worst thing I’ve ever done and to see how sad she was in that moment. I wonder if this was not necessary.

    Anyway, regardless of this, my anger towards my dad and the reason behind it has been uncovered but this doesn’t relieve me of this emotional state.

    i have as you’ve said above been very still and focusing my awareness of my body and the feelings presently being experienced. There have been many and they are fundamentally confusing because my sense of identity is trapped in it.

    i find the concept of letting go of anger or other emotions to be confusing. Who is letting go? I want to let go of all the pain but I’ve been feeling my pain body for months and yet to no avail.

    i have been happy being unhappy as you say bizarrely. I have watched and read lots of personal development videos but I find the topic confuses with the topic of spirituality.

    How can I know who or what to trust to be making me better?

    I feel exhausted and overwhelmed at how many issues I have to come to terms with. Is life testing my patience?

    although I’ve written a fairly lengthy response I don’t want complex analysis, I just want internal change. My exhaustion and fatigue is unbearable.

    best wishes and again I appreciate your help massively.

    ben

    #185891
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear ben:

    You are welcome. In your recent post you wrote: “I don’t want complex analysis, I just want internal change”.

    Your request for simplicity, perhaps, not complexity, I am returning to my suggestion from my previous post to you, that you share next from the emotional part of you: imagine that you are a child and type away, using simple words and sentences a child will use. I will try this exercise myself, paraphrasing your recent post to what I imagine a child would share, more or less:

    My dad is not nice to my mum. He doesn’t even try! She is so sad and it makes me so sad. I told her: mum! Dad is not nice to you! And that made her even more sad. It made me even more sad than sad. I wish I didn’t tell her. I did a bad thing, I made my mum even more sad.

    I am so angry at my dad! I am also angry at myself. I want to fix it. I want to make dad be nice to mum. I want to make mum happy. I can’t. I am weak and not good enough.

    I feel bad. I am scared. I am tired. So tired.

    I am done with the exercise. How did I do and would you like to do your own? If you post again, referring to my post here, I will reply again.

    anita

    #185897
    ben
    Participant

    ok

    I hate my dad. I hate my mum. I hate my family. I hate my entire family. I hate all their close friends. They’re all liars.

    I hate the people who’ve come into my life. They all have been selfish and used me. I feel used and stupid. I am depressed.

    I’m sad that I can’t love them. I want to love them. I hate that I can’t love them. I hate myself. I hate life. Life is horrible. Life is cruel. I never asked for this shit. I was never given a choice.

    Life is unfair. I didn’t decide who I am.

    I want to control my life. Why is everything so fucking difficult. Why can’t I be present all the time.

    Why don’t I get what I want.

    #185899
    ben
    Participant

    apologies for language

    #185905
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear ben:

    Given the nature of this exercise, your language is perfectly fine, completely acceptable.

    So are your feelings expressed, perfectly fine, completely acceptable.

    If you believed that your feelings are completely acceptable, you would be okay with feeling anger at your parents. You would be okay with not feeling love for them. You wouldn’t hate yourself for the way you feel (“I hate that I can’t love them. I hate myself”)

    Your anger at your parents is not a fault of yours, a badness. It is a reaction to their actions, an automatic reaction, none of your choosing.

    You wrote: “I didn’t decide who I am. I want to control my life”- I agree, you didn’t decide to be angry, you didn’t choose it. It was an automatic reaction to their actions.

    Much of who we become is a series of automatic reactions, followed by impulsive choices, made with little awareness. Most people keep living this way but you don’t have to. You can have control of your life, the control that is possible to have.

    The beginning of having that control, of being able to decide who you are, is to accept your feelings as valid, understandable, and you, the one who feels it, to be therefore acceptable, okay, good.

    Post again anytime and I will reply, if you would like.

    anita

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    #185907
    Anonymous
    Guest

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