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November 16, 2018 at 7:15 am #237973
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GuestDear John:
I re-read all your posts on your thread as well as your replies to other threads since Nov 8.
You wrote early on here that you are a fighter. I believe that your fighting aim should be at this point (and always) surviving first. After all this is the aim of every living thing on the face of this earth, from unicellular organisms to plants to humans. This is my aim this very day, to survive today and make it to tomorrow.
You are currently angry, have been angry for a long time, more at some times, less at other times, and more so lately, and understandably more so lately. If it takes you moving out of your home and staying elsewhere so to not get reagitated as you listen to your wife singing or otherwise, do so.
Mood stabilizing psychiatric drugs may be the thing for you to do in this quest of surviving. It is definitely time to numb yourself. It is not the time to get further in touch with all those emotions that have been brewing in you for decades. Numb them now and for the foreseeable future.
Focus on fighting for your survival and abandon fighting for this marriage. Fighting for this marriage will continue to bring you unfavorable results. Placating your wife, trying to win her approval as good enough, you’ve been doing this for too long and clearly it didn’t work. Talking with her- you’ve been doing that as well. From reading your many posts I can see that you are quite aware and well read on issues of mental health and communication and you have been quite aware for a long time. Time to abandon this fight. It is out of your hands.
It is my understanding that the fault for this troubled marriage that might be ended soon is yours and hers, hers no less than yours. Because it is not all your fault, there isn’t one thing or two that you can do different now that will save the marriage. It’s been a two way street ongoing contributions to the state of trouble this marriage is in, for too long. A quick solution is not possible.
You wrote in a reply Nov 8 regarding your tech degree: “We are told while getting our degrees that the sky is the limit and we can write our own ticket, and then reality sets in”. Let the reality 0f your marriage set in. Your marriage is likely to end soon. Maybe not, but it is out of your hands, there is nothing you can do. If you die, your marriage will surely end.
Give up the fight for your marriage; fight for your life instead.
anita
November 16, 2018 at 9:46 pm #238123John
ParticipantI have chosen to end the fight. It is clear I can no longer control the fight. She thinks she has made this decision (I highly doubt it, but whatever) and while I do not respect it at all considering this was a determination made by a single person in a partnership, I will allow her to have her space. I intend to continue on my personal journey. Part of me is nearly certain that as I endure and don’t fall apart, and start to grow away from her, she will come running back. I honestly believe she thinks I am going to sit around like a mopey dog and wait for her to come back. I am not. Not this time. And to be honest, at this point, considering the cruelty of pulling me back in close just to dash my hopes again, I am not certain I will take her back if this happens. I saw a side of my wife tonight that makes me wonder how I could have ever fallen in love with her. There are certain things on a list that if I see them, you are disqualified immediately from any chance with me, and one of which is cruel pettiness. And she showed it big time tonight. I wanted to speak to her. To make my “Alamo last stand” as it were. And not only did she not come home, she swept our kids up from walking home from school and kept them from me all night until I finally had to go to work.
I am not a vindictive person, but when forced to it, there are no half measures from me. I go scorched Earth. Part of me gleefully revels and letting that demon out of its cage to teach her a lesson after tonight. The other part of me is so sad that she ever has to see that side of me. But it seems like she is now attempting to force me to let go by treating me like shit. And if that is the case, I am so tired and defeated at this point that I am afraid I will lash out in the worst possible ways.
I am hoping this was just a bad night. That she was suddenly coming to terms with the end and realizing that it actually hurts and isn’t something to celebrate. That the reality of her decision is starting to dawn on her. I am not expecting some epiphany where she suddenly falls back in love, but if this is the mode she chooses to use while communicating now, before any of the painful and hard stuff starts, I fear for the feelings and mental well being of my children as mom and dad get into this knock down, drag out pit fight. I only have so many cheeks to turn, and I grow tired of being treated so poorly by someone I still love so much. But I suppose that is the point. I suppose that the entire meaning behind this is to make me leave. But I have bad news for her. I am not going anywhere. I am not abusive mentally or physically. I am not an addict. I am not a threat to her or my kids in any way. So she has no right to run me out of my own home.
I think I am going to ask my wife to sort of swap some stuff around in the house to make this tolerable. Maybe have my son move in with me in our master suite and have her move into his room. I can’t keep sleeping next to her like this is all normal. I want her to feel that cold, empty spot in bed next to her. I want her to feel the distance growing between us. I want her to understand this is different this time, not just in how I changed and want to make it work for real this time, but that I will not be the lapdog waiting for her.
November 17, 2018 at 5:13 am #238139Anonymous
GuestDear John:
You are very angry. I don’t trust people to think sensibly when intensely angry. Anger and sensible, logical thinking don’t go together. I don’t know what she is thinking and I don’t think you know either. I don’t trust your ability at this time to correctly evaluate people and situations.
What is clear to me is that the well being of your four young children must come first. They must not witness anger, raised voices, verbal abuse, and even that tension that can be so thick although invisible. Whatever it takes to protect them, do that. I think that separating from your wife immediately is an excellent idea. Because she is the mother of four children, let her stay with them in the house and move out somewhere else as soon as possible, today or tomorrow.
Pack some things and move out. See a psychiatrist and take the medications you need to numb that anger, to be able to go to work and function well enough. See your children outside their house, not with their mother, just you and the kids.
Any conversations with her should also be outside the house while your children are in school or with a babysitter, sit with her in a public place like a coffee shop and talk.
Please pack a few things, get a hotel room, a short term bachelor apartment maybe. You are simply too angry to stay in the house.
anita
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