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May 29, 2016 at 12:24 pm #105914Robert MParticipant
Hello everyone. I’ve just come back from a night hanging out with who I would have happily called my ‘best friend’ for the last four years. Throughout college I’ve done all of the following:
-Switched majors
-Switched schools
-Tried my first school’s ultimate frisbee team
-Tried making short films at my first school
-Tried making music videos
-Tried making some commercials
-Got a girlfriend freshman year
-Left girlfriend spring of senior year
-Completely left everything about my old school behind
-Joined my new school’s rowing team
-Failed to make the varsity team the following year
-Left all the people I met on that team behind (they all just sort of drifted away, we never really clicked)
-Become a founding father of a new chapter of a fraternity at my new school
-Realized once I was already in that the chapter formed as a bunch of cliques coming together and that if we weren’t official fraternity brothers I might not want to consider them that had I actually, you know, gotten to know them first before blindly diving right into being an alpha class member.And here I am, four years later but still not close to graduating, and I now can’t ignore the fact that I told my friend that goes to a different school and that I don’t get the chance to see all that often that I was skipping studying for an upcoming exam and getting work done for my job for just one evening to take a break and ‘go on some crazy adventures’ as I texted him saying that we need to do. What did we wind up doing? Two other drunk friends of his come over and they all want to do nothing but laze out in front of the TV. It’s the same two guys that come there every time I go up to hang out now, even though every single time I try to get my friend to go show me his campus, go see a movie, anything at all. I seriously don’t know what the hell I expected, and am wondering why only now I realize that I could be feeling much more at home with a different group of friends. I want to have real conversations, and I tried to make that as I also drank last night, and all that they did was what they’ve always done and act like I’m talking to a wall, or like I’m ‘adorable’ for giving a shit about the things that interest me. I had always thought that I’m just the ‘nerd’ of the group and not everyone is going to be interested in the same things that I am, but when it gets to the point where I’m literally unable to let loose and get rid of all my concerns because I feel that very few groups that I try to associate with really want to see me as a human being or anything other than the ‘smart friend’ (which is great because my grades have always been mediocre no matter what I try and I really don’t consider myself all that smart), and I’m worried that everyone’s group of ‘the boys’ is so well formed at this point that they don’t need anyone else, I wouldn’t want to intrude, and that that might be just a part of youth/the college experience that I need to come to terms with the fact that I’m probably going to die without having truly experienced that socially harmonious joy that I see all around me.
This isn’t to say that I’m isolated, I’m in a frat (we’re proudly not douchey, creepy or ignorant at least) and there are enough people that I enjoy spending time with in it to make it not worth quitting, but right now I feel like I’ve got no true reference for what a real friend is, so how could I know if what may seem to be a true friend is really worth my time when I feel naive for feeling like I’m so blessed to have this other guy in my life through everything else I’ve tried and failed at these last four years?
I lead a good life and I’m proud of myself for going to the school that I do and some of the things I’ve accomplished, but I see people just relaxing and talking and enjoying their friends, seeming to have found their perfect niche, and the envy becomes too real to focus. I’m taking Vyvanse for ADHD and am going to see a counselor about depression, but I think it would feel great to just discuss this with somebody. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for any advice you can provide, and I hope you have a better day than I am right now!
Tl;dr I’m tired of feeling like I don’t fit into any group I try to participate in, what can I do to just have friends that I can always have a good time with and not feel laughed at?
May 29, 2016 at 4:11 pm #105930AnonymousGuestDear ilikeskiingandmovies1993:
i am not sure I followed: I am tired myself. Let me see if I understood the core problem: you joined different groups of peers and it didn’t work for you. The casual group you mentioned last: two drunk friends of friend sitting in front of the TV. You mentioned suffering from ADHD. You take a psych drug and see a counselor for depression.
I think you spread yourself too thin for years in college. I wouldn’t repeat that. Instead, think before choosing and then choose one project at a time. Smae with friends. One friend is a good goal, doesn’t have to be a group.
I know other people in college seem happy but I know appearances are often deceiving, very deceiving. To some you are one of the happy looking “others.”
Maybe do a lot of relaxing activities such as yoga, meditation, solo things and limit your social endeavors, try for less and relax into what you can get. Reach out for fewer social goals and take it at a slower pace so you can pay attention, evaluate and learn from your experiences.
Am I hitting any valid points here, for you?
anita
May 29, 2016 at 4:52 pm #105938Robert MParticipantYes you definitely are, that’s something I’ve been trying to do with my summer but it definitely hasn’t been coming easily or been particularly successful thus far. I’m probably mentally pushing myself to want to accomplish too much though, but that’s always been so confusing to me because where do I draw the line? Not have straight A’s as even a far-out goal that I’d even like to consider given that I struggle to not get any C’s so far? It’s been such a mentally hard line for me to draw, meanwhile I find myself pondering this stuff too much rather than pushing myself to work through it. Thanks for the response though!
May 29, 2016 at 6:20 pm #105944AnonymousGuestDear ilikeskiingandmovies1993:
I didn’t understand your sentence about straight As and Cs. As to where do you draw the line, you mean pushing yourself but not too much? I am thinking: one thing at a time. You start one thing and stick to it all the way. I am thinking Tai Chi, that discipline, slow, purposeful movements, slow motion like, very skillful, over time can help you greatly, help you with the symptoms of ADHD. One of the things I was taught in Tai Chi is to complete each move before starting the new move. Not all Tai Chi-s are created equal.
If you are interested, I can recommend a type of Tai Chi. I think it can do wonders for you, if you … give into the slow, slow pace of it.
anita
May 30, 2016 at 4:51 pm #106014Rock BananaParticipantWhere are you based? The social scenes are different depending on where you are but something that I recommend is going to groups designed for specific things. For example, you could go to a dance class, or a tai chi class, or a meetup of people who like to play board games together. If you’re religious attending a church or religious community – or if you’re not religious maybe even a secular Sunday meetup with communal aims – can be a great one. Become more of a social butterfly, talk to strangers wherever you go and be keen to make strong contacts with people.
You are never screwed when it comes to making friends. The opposite. The time to start is now. Get going. Your real friends could start out being strangers in just about any context, and the more connecting you are willing to do, the easier it’ll be for you to have those real friends.
May 31, 2016 at 10:26 am #106077Robert MParticipantI’m in Ann Arbor, MI so there’s quite a bit of pressure from multiple directions when it comes to the social scene sometimes, but you’re definitely right. I’m just very thrown off right now, because this was a person I’d called my best friend for years and looked forward to doing a lot together this summer and basically being bros for life, and when I now can’t deny that we’re drifting in different directions it stresses me out that my one friend that I had thought I could always count on no matter what isn’t necessarily that way. I think I have a way of using the feeling of being stressed out by this as an excuse to not study as hard as I know I should, and that resulted in me just failing a midterm for a class that I’m now dropping. I apologize for my confusing communications, it’s just that little mistakes I’ve made everywhere I go, academically and socially, just constantly seem to be stressing me out lately and when I talk about them without being calm then I can see how they’d come out as an incomprehensible splatter. I’d never thought of trying tai chi before and from the way it’s been described above it seems like it could definitely help me. Thank you all so much for the advice, it’s good to know that there are people out there that care and have relevant things to say.
May 31, 2016 at 10:48 am #106078ZariahParticipantIt isn’t too late to be part of a social group or even finding that social group that you click with. When you get older people drift apart but no one tells you that new people with different stories come into your life. I feel like you have this need to actually connect with someone instead of simply being acquaintances. Attending therapy sessions is a good start but try striking up a random conversations or even smiling at random strangers. Usually people are responsive and smile back which makes them more approachable. You just need to test the waters and see what fits and doesn’t. These close relationships that you are looking for aren’t hard and just need time to grow. They just need to be with the right people. I think you should be proud of yourself for going through this type of personal growth, can I ask what triggered it? Was it when you were trying to have a conversation with your friends or have you always felt this way? Anyways you should be very proud of yourself because it takes a lot of effort to want a positive change in your life. Good luck!
May 31, 2016 at 1:00 pm #106099Robert MParticipantWell….. It pretty much just comes down to the fact that I guess I’ve really been re-evaluating my life and who I associate with lately. I know I’ve got other friends that would be hyped to have me come visit for the evening and see that as a reason to want to get out and have a great night, not sit on our asses and watch basketball on the couch like any other night. It’s just that my parents have recently done a lot for this guy since his family is close to broke, and I’d considered him the best friend a guy could have for the last four years, but he’s just sort of showing me that he’s not really worth the time and this weekend just set me off since I otherwise would have been hard at work getting ready to not fail this exam that I just had. In hindsight I guess I sort of overreacted, but it just kills when the one friend that you’ve been in contact with consistently all 4 years of college just doesn’t seem to be there anymore.
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May 31, 2016 at 3:49 pm #106112AnonymousGuestDear ilikeskiingandmovies1993:
So I suppose you are re-evaluating this friend and the friendship with him. If it is no longer working for you, time and time again, if it is a losing proposition to yourself, you owe it to you to conclude this friendship, or whatever it is that it has become.
anita
May 31, 2016 at 11:46 pm #106167MattyParticipantyo ilikeskiingandmovies1993,
I’m sorta in your position, in the sense that I struggle to fit into ‘cookie cutter’ groups and cliques. I was just thinking about how i failed this semester in really putting myself out there, and then i realized that i was going for quantity and volume rather than quality. From reading your post and correspondence, i think you want a lot (not that this is a bad thing), but really all you really want and need is an intimate connection with others, something that is meaningful and actually makes a difference to your life. When i mean intimate, i don’t necessarily mean romantic.
Also, something i discovered, much as you are now, is that just because you ‘hang out’ and go to the same school doesn’t mean you are actually friends. For 7-8 years I stuck with a bunch of fellas that i really enjoyed hanging out with. When it came to graduate high school i sort of started to question whether or not we actually had anything in common. Besides the same classes, our interest in video games and other stuff we had nothing else. Maybe this is the case with yourself? I actually feel i too missed out on forming stronger bonds with people outside my so called ‘friendship’ group, but hey, that’s life. You go left, they go right.
As others have mentioned, it’s not to late to meet new people, but i guess it’s hard because you have to release yourself from your current mindset. That you are going to die alone. Quite frankly, it doesn’t matter whether its a great thing or the most horrible experience imaginable….it always comes to an end. So try not to think of this part of your life as ‘definitely’ over. Just try and start again.
Secondly, you need to apologize to yourself. Clearly you feel that you haven’t spent your time wisely. You also want to have the same interactions as others who have best of mates, have cool stories to tell your kids, reminiscence with your partner about poor life choices and laugh them off. Maybe you want to be that guy who can walk through the yard and have peeps shout your name out and say “what’s up?”. But the limited time i had of this experience i felt on fire, like i was just feeling a head taller and confident as hell. But these relationships weren’t really…well ‘real’. At best i was an acquaintance at worst i was just someone in their class that made them feel less lonely and anxious. It’s not difficult to meet people who are deep and reflective like you are. It’s way more difficult for people to just open up and be deep and reflective, it’s like you have to show people that you respect their views and give them permission to do so. A lot of people may feel uncomfortable opening up. Heck, people can be in established relationships, have kids and grow old together and never really express deep and emotional opinions because they fear judgement from others, and the closer you are the harder it gets. Maybe that’s why you have moved in another direction from your other mates, because they feel that 4 years is enough that there really isn’t much to talk about. You are just enjoying each others company.
My final point, is that humans are annoyingly obtuse and complex. We say something with words, do the opposite with our actions. Our actions communicate one thing, but our words speak of another. Have you actually spoken to your mate, 1 on 1? I find that groups are the worst because you never show your true self in many of these ‘group’ situations because these groups have certain expectations about how you act in them. Try just having a chat, be honest. If he is being a dick about it, nothing you say will change his mind or your own. I guess it’s easier to cut your losses then continually trying to smash your head against a wall hoping to make lemonade.
I hope this helps, if you have more to add, please keep posting 🙂
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