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July 27, 2014 at 10:40 am #61896The RuminantParticipant
If you really want to understand why, then I recommend you read this book:
There is a reason why the meditation practice was recommended. Meditation has been proven to help with handling emotions. It just doesn’t happen overnight or after one or two times.
Someone in the comments section also recommended another book for those who are unable to even imagine positive feelings:
July 27, 2014 at 1:03 pm #61904RahelParticipantTR i am doing the meditation without much trouble..only things is that thoughts of the entire day passes through….
today for three hours i was crying and talking to mother..she has tried her level best more than a psychiatrist to explain me with solutions in the simplest way..i had my dinner at 1 midnight..
later she was crying in silent prayer..its true no one can teach anyone to forgive and love ourselves.. I havenot thought before whether i loved me or not
July 27, 2014 at 3:22 pm #61909Big blueParticipantHi Rahel,
I have been reading your dialog with The Ruminant.
Given your high IQ, you now can study this topic including the books identified. As you go let’s hear what you are learning. Please include us more on your journey.
The Ruminant you are very kind and patient in sharing your wisdom!
You both deserve kindness to yourselves. Treat yourselves to something nice.
Thank you for your dialog – it reinforced what I gave learned about how forgiving myself and others has set me free to be a better me moving forward.
Big blue
- This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by Big blue.
July 27, 2014 at 4:19 pm #61911MattParticipantRahel,
Instead of looking for solutions, consider just crying when you’re crying. Let the emotions come, don’t try to fix anything. Be patient, lasting fixes take time. Crying, letting it go, is part of it.
Its normal to notice thoughts running while meditating. Don’t worry about it, don’t be harsh with yourself for the thoughts, just kindly move your attention back to the breath and number. If the thought runs too far, and you lose the number, laugh! Silly brains. Then one to five. 🙂
Keep getting those hugs from mom, she loves you!
With warmth,
MattJuly 27, 2014 at 8:12 pm #61923@Jasmine-3ParticipantThanks everyone.
Hi Rahel
Getting back to Dad. Yes, growing up I have had similar problems with Dad as well. His anger, his ways of doing things and his discipline didn’t suit me as I wanted to lead my own life the way I wanted to. I had this problem with not one but many people close to me. I was the problem kid. I was stubborn in my own mind. I did not think about others much and I had a great capacity to hurt anyone with my words and arrogance. This capacity has reduced in the past few years ha ha ha ha
I have been lucky to have many great people come into my life who have tried to teach me forgiveness but eventually, I had to learn it in my own ways and in my own time.
When I realised that Dad and Mom were doing the best they could in their capacities, my anger started to melt little by little. I could understand that Dad and Mom are not ME and I am not them. Yes, we share a genetic print but we are 2 different people. People can be different. People can have their own agendas in life. We can live peacefully with each other and without each other. Dad was being the way he was as that’s the upbringing he was given by his parents. Does that mean that I start to hold anger for his parents and his ancestors ? NO. I was able to accept that Dad is Dad and he is doing what he is good at. He may not know any better and he may never come to see my perspective in life. I also learnt that no one ever says or does anything wrong. There are always 2 sides to a coin. Your perspective may not match mine and mine may not match yours. However, this doesn’t mean that people are wrong.
Within a few years, all anger was gone. As the anger left, acceptance took its place. Every time he said something, which didn’t agree with me, I would just look at him and smile in my mind that Dad is Dad and I am ME. We don’t need to agree on things.
We could have continued the cycle of suffering if I didn’t choose to break it with Dad. I left my arrogance behind and chose to take charge of my life. And now, he has followed the suit. He doesn’t get angry with me and I don’t get angry with him. We talk like friends who have accepted each other for who we are with all bads and goods. Who is perfect in this world as a person ?
Above obviously didn’t come about from doing meditation alone. Sometimes, when our mind is too logical (esp with high IQ), no amount of meditation practice can help us achieve a state of balance as we are constantly in a state of questioning (Why this and why that etc.) Logic keeps taking over and the meditation practice looses its meaning and we feel that meditation hasn’t done what it is supposed to do. Once you shut this logic brain with love, forgiveness and acceptance, meditation can take you to new heights of bliss. And I agree with The Ruminant that meditation is like an exercise for the mind which can achieve great results. An exercise, which works well when we are in charge rather than the mind 🙂 Well, that’s what my personal experience has taught me anyways. To tame the mind, we need understanding of self and others.
I shall take my leave from this thread. Wish you all the best in your forward journey.
Jasmine
July 27, 2014 at 10:35 pm #61931RahelParticipantGood morning all..
Thanks to Matt, TR and Jas..You guys are truly gems.
Its been three years i am trying to control several of my emotions.. But how far i successful i dont know..
I have always been saying to myself that all this will take ample time to change..but after few seconds the mind becomes impulsive and back to the previous position. why is that eventhough i know all this truth and the required remedies, i am unable to bring difference..Instead of crying why cant i stand up and do it…why cant i think and do a research…and find it out…Why is that i cant always remember and keep this facts intact in my mind. so that i can practise them daily.
As jas has mentioned i dont want to be a crying baby evenafter 10 years.. i want to contribute something of my own before i leave this world..
I said sorry within myself. i dont know whether its done or not.. i always wait for affirmation and wonders..
For every small things i get angry and later i feel guilty..but sure whatever the situation may be..i ll do meditation till i reach that goal
July 28, 2014 at 12:01 am #61934@Jasmine-3ParticipantThanks Rahel 🙂 You will be fine and I know this very well in my heart. Keep in touch.
Blessings
J
July 28, 2014 at 12:55 am #61937RahelParticipantplease do remember me in your prayers Jas
July 28, 2014 at 1:23 am #61938RahelParticipantIt was while doing the annual report of my organisation, that accidently saw the page Tiny Buddha and the remaining story is the part of this forum.
I would take this opportunity to thank lori …I initially emailed her regarding the problems, rather i would say the emotions I am going through. after having a conversation with her, she directed me to the forum. In a acceleration of getting a solution, i posted the issue as a thread to tracey’s problem.. I was wondering why no one responded..
later with much patience Lori asked to post as a new head.On 25th I posted it as “can someone define love and show how to love myself and others’. To my surprise there were lots of responses to my post, today its 28th the fourth day. I am blessed there so many unknown friends who with their experience and valued suggestion are trying to bring me up..
Even though i reach higher heights of success or not…
I just want to learn how to let go off and i want to gain mastery over it…..July 28, 2014 at 9:53 am #61956RahelParticipantwhenever i get a marriage alliance , even before seeing the guy, my heart gets depressed or tensed..because i have fear what if the guy is not as per my expectation..keeping this in mind.i meet the guy and eventhough he is good..i ll say NO and find some faults in him and explanation to justify myself
Now my mother came up with an article in newspaper stating opportunities for social workers in Canada and australia without writing the IELTS. I am not much interested in going abroad hence i never gave a try, even my mother knows..There was a rage of anger that ran through my mind, but i didnt show it… my mother wants good of me thats why she came up with the article but why i was not able to give a soft and positive approach.. i know my silence hurted her..she went away from my room.. i feel pity for myself and bad for me… why i get this dull feeling beforehand in my mind
July 28, 2014 at 10:31 am #61958AnonymousInactiveRahel, remember a time in your life when you fell down and got wounded? Now till the time that wound healed, everything that it came in contact with stung and made you feel more hurt? If you really really think about it, you hold a hell lot of resentment towards yourself and that channelizes to everyone around you. Stop living in these fears and thoughts – there is a world bigger than you out there. My words might anger you and make you think i am an insensitive person. Perhaps i am but i will add only this- You cant control the past, neither can you control people and circumstances entirely but you can do something about the way you deal with it. Why are you so hard on everyone now? I realize that things havent been simple for you but truth be said, they are as flawed as you are.
The bigger question is – What the hell do you want from yourself and others anyway? Do you actually have a clue?
July 28, 2014 at 11:04 am #61966RahelParticipantNo dear… only the last few sentences were only hurting…
just think from my end..dealing with all these for nearly three decades is not an easy task.. even i know it will take time…
there are several people like me who have thousands of questions in mind… i didnt show any anger to anyone.. i am grateful to all those people who tried to advice me with patience….. Even u know well that this resentment wont go off overnight… I request pls bear with mei just want to know what is that triggers me.. why is that i get angry or dull/ emotional before the occurance of the event.. why i cant it lightly
July 28, 2014 at 11:21 am #61969The RuminantParticipantInability to handle emotions in combination with perceiving most things as a threat.
July 28, 2014 at 11:21 am #61970AnonymousInactiveIt was not my intention to hurt you and i realize that 30 years isnt easy for anyone. All i can say is the only way you understand triggers is by actually doing a great deal of introspective analysis – for me, it involved using diaries to record my thoughts, using these charts related to certain behaviors i had in order to understand their baseline better, reading a great deal about various therapies out there and what their underlying ideas were – sometimes i would just identify the emotions by their adjectives – i noticed that i tended to literally bury and pretend the unpleasant feelings werent there but the more i had a name for the state – sadness, anger, restlessness, the better i could deal with without the guilt of feeling what i felt. Some of my on and off states are related to genetics and disposition but this long process has taught me how to cope better with episodes.
My emotions or lack of often are clues to certain things i need to do or understand..I view it that way now..Its really a matter of time and understanding yourself better. Exercise and long walks alone helped me immensely in this. I still get the old feelings sometimes but they dont define me entirely. Yes i have my history too but anyway, one thing i learned was that – dont be so harsh on yourself and others. I know perhaps my own words come out harsher than intended. Its a trait i am trying to work on but since you are clear about what you want, then you have to be clear about what you can do to manage your states better. I apologize again for the seemingly harsh tone at the end.
July 28, 2014 at 12:09 pm #61976RahelParticipantperfect answer TR..bingo
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