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November 19, 2020 at 11:53 am #369607AnonymousGuest
Dear Karen:
“Maybe that’s why she is so romantic, so intense at the beginning of relationships because she craves love”- yes, it makes sense, like a starving person binging on a lot of food in one night, not knowing when she will get to eat next.. she condenses the feeling of love into one romantic event, knowing too well that that feeling will be gone too soon.
“I don’t think she will get (love) from her family, maybe from another woman”- you truly love her and you have truly loved her for some time, but she can’t receive your love because of the barrier you mentioned, a barrier between your love and her heart.
Another woman, other than you- I doubt another woman will love her more than you love her, and even if one did, L’s barrier will not let that love in either.
In another woman maybe she will prefer a different look, a different style and lifestyle- but without love reaching her heart, the relationship will be empty of its most important and essential ingredient.
“I know that if it’s another woman, if I am not over her, I don’t know how I will feel and deal with the situation”- if she is in a relationship with another woman, you may choose to not deal with the situation at all, by not being in it- by having no contact with L.
If L is with another woman.. you don’t owe her your love or loyalty. In that situation, you can attend to what you need, where you can get it. You don’t want to chase L for love, similar to how she is chasing it unsuccessfully.
anita
November 19, 2020 at 12:46 pm #369611KarenParticipantHi anita
Maybe thats why she us like that when romantic. Yes I do truly love her. But how does she deal with that barrier with my love and her heart. If only she just dropped tgst barrier it’s would be so easy.
Yeah I think that will be a tell tail sign when that happens. I want her in my life but it’s if I can cooe with that situation or not. I hope tgst situation doesn’t arise for a while. I don’t want to chase L for love. Because if there is love there it’s in her side of the court. But on other hand maybe that’s why I think the worst and start to overthink because I am waiting for that to happen. For her to be successful in love she needs to open her heart trust the people that are loyal and let these barriers down and fight them not run awsy in a sense
Karen
November 19, 2020 at 1:28 pm #369615AnonymousGuestDear Karen:
I think that you do truly love her. She is fortunate, only she doesn’t take in the fortune that is there for her. If only she dropped the barrier- it would be so easy. But fear is holding that barrier in place, and fear is more powerful than any other emotion. It is very difficult to.. drop fear, to make it go away.
To open her heart, her fear needs to lessen, and it takes the process of healing, as in attending quality psychotherapy, to make that happen.. over a long period of time. It takes a combination of quality psychotherapy and a relationship with a loving, trustworthy person such as yourself.
anita
November 19, 2020 at 1:37 pm #369617KarenParticipantAnita.
Yeah she doesn’t see it. Only person I suppose that can do these changes is L. I hood she does look into that help to understand her barriers and fear. I feel that with all tge changes in her life just now I don’t think tgat will happen. All I can do is be there I suppose which is hard but I can turn my back. But when another woman comes along it won’t be my job. For all I know she also could be talking to another woman. I really don’t thi nk she is but thats my overthinking. I just need to try stay positive and when she leaves try and keep myself busy. Because I am going to find it hard her not being around.
Karen
November 19, 2020 at 1:38 pm #369619KarenParticipantI meant can’t turn my back
November 19, 2020 at 1:50 pm #369621AnonymousGuestDear Karen:
Given my life experience, I feel that I can detect true love when I see it, and I see it in you, truly loving L. I hope you can rest in the knowing that you truly love her. You are capable of true love and that is rare. Even when your love is not reciprocated, love is still there in you, in your heart.
“when another woman comes along, it won’t be my job”- glad to read it. Loving her does not have to mean being foolish. It is okay to love someone and be wise at the same time. If you find out that L is with another woman, in another woman’s bed- game is over, I hope. At least as far as what you will be willing to do for her.
anita
November 19, 2020 at 1:59 pm #369622KarenParticipantAnita
Yeah I do truly love L. Yeah till that time I have to go with the flo. Then when that time ccomes I will do what needs to ge done. For all I know i might find it difficult before then. I need to be aware of how I feel myself and how it affects me
Karen
November 19, 2020 at 2:09 pm #369624AnonymousGuestDear Karen:
As time goes on and you feel it being difficult, you can post here anytime and I will attentively read and reply to you every time. In this way, you are not alone with the difficulty to come.
anita
November 19, 2020 at 2:40 pm #369626KarenParticipantThank you. Maybe once she leaves I will post as I see it being difficult. Thank you for replying to my long posts as you have helped me alot
Karen
November 19, 2020 at 2:45 pm #369627AnonymousGuestDear Karen:
You are welcome. I appreciate our communication as well. You can post here any time, any day, whenever you want to. It helps me too, to read from you and reply.
anita
November 19, 2020 at 10:30 pm #369644KarenParticipantAnita
Thank you I will post on here so glad I found this site
Karen
November 20, 2020 at 10:34 am #369656AnonymousGuestYou are welcome, Karen. Anytime.
anita
November 29, 2020 at 2:13 am #370105KarenParticipantHi anita
Just a wee update. L got her keys to her new place last week and has slowly moved out. She stayed a few nights at mine just saving her going back and fore which was fine. Just acted like we usually do. Got the last of her stuff on friday. When she left it was sad I didn’t want her to leave. Gave her a hug and said its just feels so strange. She’s not going to be here. She said the same it’s going to be hard we are both getting over stuff. Shes going to find it strange as she’s not going to have someone there or sitting having a meal with someone. She said it’s not like we aren’t going to see each other it won’t be all the time etc. But it’s hard thinking we won’t see each other so much. But that’s how things go. I have to get used to that I know. Once she went she txted to say she reached safe which was good. So that it since Friday I have had odd txt or picture of things she’s done in flat. Which is fine because I know she’s sorting her flat out. It’s the weekend now I don’t like it because it’s so quiet round the house. I feel the house is just empty I cant even bring myself to go into her room at the moment just makes me upset.
We have been getting on OK since I last messaged you the other week. not really talking about us as such. She been talking about her past relationships. Not sure if I had said that to you last time. I can understand why she doesn’t want to get hurt. So we have been good talking like we used to. That’s the good friendship we have. It’s I just find it hard. I had spoke to a mutual friend a while back which he went and told her how I felt about her. We spoke over txt and however she saw the txt about how I felt about her. So that wasn’t good that was a Sunday and that’s when she said I don’t want your help moving to my new place etc. I am annoyed with the mutual friend because we were getting on fine till then. So I left it went for a walk and when came back we spoke for along time. The next day she mentioned it again. She said seeing it written down made her think.it’s different when someone says how they feel but seen it in black and white. Well it’s nothing she doesn’t know anyway how I feel etc. I think it made her think aswell as her friend at work questioned her a few days before. They were talking and L was saying to her that I was helping her move. Her friend was like really is that not leading Karen along etc. Which I think she was annoyed at. She replied Karen knows my feeling and she wants to help etc. Think that kind of kicked of that reaction when she saw that from the mutual friend.
We went back to being the way we are and I made dinner had a glass of wine and she was again talking about relationships etc in general. Then she brought up my ex. She obv felt insecure along time ago about my ex. Me and my ex were finished many years ago. No feelings are there whatsoever. Yes she saw a note how I was feeling way back then how I was feeling etc about my ex. Which I forgot was in a pile of papers. Which was all thrown out when I cleared my house out in May. But she brought it up the other night as well as act of love that love language thing. Asking me about this love language. I found it a bit odd why would you bring up my ex and this love language stuff. L is the one that ended everything if shes no feelings why is she bringing it up. Because if I broke up with someone I wouldn’t bring and ex up esp if I was the one to end the relationship. Hope that makes sense. You try and explain to her the difference in that relationship and what I had with her and there’s no point doesn’t want to hear it. Esp like when not holding hands in public etc and when I said I was changing and doing it more. I got maybe you weren’t changing and doing stuff quick enough for me.
She picked me up from work wed and went over to her flat with more stuff and she stayed there. Thursday she came back as I was off work and I helped her move more stuff. It was a good wee day we chatted in the car about how she’s feeling. The changes in her life about her moving her flat obv it’s a big thing for her. She’s doing it by herself transitioning into civilian life from the army. I can see she is a bit stressed and i try and reassure her as best I can. She says she’s so happy etc. But then boom a message from her family wanting something and she gets down. Like I said other day and she knows it you need to say no to them when they ask for something. I said you have to say no and she did which is first time ever. Was so proud she did. She feels like she doesn’t deserve in a sence to be happy. She does more so than anyone else she had a hard time. So yeah we were busy all day Thurs doing stuff building furniture.her unpacking. She got upset with all her emotions. More so army emotions. It’s all becoming a reality now that shes going to be out of army. Something she never wanted to happen. Like I say to her you are going to be feeling different emotions etc.you will have good and bad days etc. But I will always be here for you to talk to. I think it upset her more as I had got her a gift and done photo album with picture of her career that she can add to and look back on when she wants to. That’s when she left the room and I knew she was upset. Think cause it was thoughtful gift. But yeah it’s hard time for her with alot of emotions. So that’s about it really. Sorry for the long update again lol.
I just have to try stay positive etc. I am OK some days. Was a bit fed up Friday night obv that’s when she left the house it was like the ending in a way. Its just when your so used to seeing someone every day and even this last few weeks getting phone calls etc what about this do you like this for my flat would you think this will be OK. Its like I was so involved in a sense. Yes I would have like that kind of stuff to happen in this house as a couple. Even when she said about helping her on the Thursday she said don’t feel you have to etc. I don’t want to put you in a position where you are going to struggle because of your feelings. Like I said I want to help you yes my feelings are there not going to disappear overnight. I said I would help you because I want to. Also she doesn’t have anyone else to help. I wanted to help. So yeah i am trying not to over think. Trying to get used to being in the house myself again which is strange but its only 2 days in. I do notice that my sleeping is gone back to tossing and turning hopefully that will get back to normal. Think it was OK the last while because we were in the same house.
I just felt I needed to give an update just to talk about stuff.
Karen
November 29, 2020 at 8:19 am #370115AnonymousGuestDear Karen:
I am glad to get your update, and no worries, it’s not too long for me. L moved out last Friday, two days ago, still a very fresh change in your life, and an undesirable change. It feels strange and it will take some time to adjust to this change.
You shared that (1) you expressed how you feel about L to a mutual friend, and that friend told her what you expressed, showing her a text that you sent him. She “saw the txt about how I felt about her.. that’s when she said I don’t want your help moving out to my new place.. She said seeing it written down made her think”. L told the friend that you were helping her move out. The friend suggested to her that she was leading you on by letting you help her. L got annoyed and replied to the friend: “Karen knows my feeling, and she wants to help”.
(2) L said she was “so happy” about “doing it by herself, transitioning into civilian life from the army”, but then “boom, message from her family wanting something and she gets down”. You told her that she needs “to say no to them when they ask for something.. and she did which is first time ever… She feels like she doesn’t deserve in a sense to be happy”.
(3) You got L a gift, a photo album related to her career, a thoughtful gift. Her response: “she left the room… she was upset.
Earlier you shared about L and her family: “L is always the one doing the chasing, helping them… the one that has to make the effort”.
– Putting all the above together, I think that I have a better understanding of L. Seems to me that she is feeling, in addition to what I suggested earlier, a troubling sense of being in debt to her parents/ family, feeling that she owes them a lot. She wants to free herself from that imaginary debt, and that is why she has been chasing them- to give them and help them and pay her debt. She chases them not because it gives her pleasure to chase them, or that she enjoys interacting with them- but because she desperately wants to be done with that debt, to pay it off completely. She feels that she doesn’t deserve to be happy until she pays her debt completely.
This sense of debt leaks from the context of her relationship with her parents, to her relationship with you. When she read a text about how much you love her, she felt that she is in debt to you for loving her so much, and that made her want to make you stop loving her.
When the mutual friend suggested to her that she was leading you on by allowing you to help her, she felt that she owes you for helping her, and wanted to stop you from helping her or to make sure you know that she doesn’t owe you for your help. When you gave her the gift, she felt that she owes you for that gift, and this is why she was upset.
“I said to her, you are going to be feeling different emotions.. It’s hard for her with a lot of emotions”- the feeling of being in debt to her family (you/ anyone) is troubling her a whole lot. When she feels happy, all it takes to take away a moment of happiness is “a message from her family wanting something”. She doesn’t want to chase them, she hates chasing them, she hates getting messaged from them, but she takes their messages because she wants to pay off her debt, something she was never able to do.
If what I suggested her is true to her, then it gives you much needed information regarding moving forward in the friendship/ relationship with her. I will be glad to discuss this further with you.
* I don’t know why she brought up the other night a note she found where you wrote about your feelings for your ex back then. Maybe she felt less special to you because she is not the only woman you ever cared for.
anita
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November 29, 2020 at 8:48 am #370117KarenParticipantHi anita
She moved out on Friday. Yeah it’s very fresh and a change which I never though would happen. It will take some time to adjust. Think it’s worse because it’s the weekend.
Yes I expressed how I feel for L to a good friend of ours and he showed her the message or discussed it with her. Which then she was annoyed etc. Then led to her not wanting my help. The other friend that she works with said to her when she said I was helping her. Said would that not seem to be leading Karen on. To be honest I think that friend she wrks with does fancy her. Think that’s why she might be saying that.
Yshe say shes never been so happy just now inside and out. Not sure if it’s a bit of a front. She is happy as job wise and her flat has worked out etc. Then her mum messaged asking for money. Only time family gets in contact is when they want money. I said u need to say no as that’s only time they get in contact and she did say no.
I got L a gift for when she leaves the army. I gave it to her a few weeks back as when she left I didn’t know when I would see her. It was a box personalised with her regiment and army number where she could put sentimental things in. Aswell ad photos from different stages in her army career. I had given her the box. Photos I added to that box and she found them when she was unpacking the other day. She left the room and got upset think because it was a thoughtful gift that I had done for her and also she is finding it hard to deal with her emotions about leaving the army. It’s a job she loves and doesn’t want to leave. So it’s understandable.
LL is always making the effort with her family. Thyw anger me because they don’t make effort unless they want money.
She should never feel in debt to her family at all she is where she is in her career and life because of her and only her. They never supported her at all. She tries with them for the love she never got in childhood and adulthood. I agree i with you about debt she does feel if someone helps her she owes them I helped her the other day etc and she said I owe you. No you don’t I helped you because I care for you I don’t expect anything in return. Think that’s why she doesn’t want help. She wants to rely on herself. Doesn’t want to owe anybody. I helped her because I care and love her. I put my feeling aside a bit to do that because I care about her so much. Yes it was hard because when putting furniture together and her asking what I though about the furniture it made me think that’s what we should be doing as a couple. But I had to switch of.
Yes I be glad for you to discuss. Me discussing is helping me a great deal which I am very appreciative of.
The note she found was from 6years ago and I generally didn’t know was still there.if I new it was there it would have been thrown out. It doesn’t matter that it was written 6 or 10 years ago u would think it was written yesterday. There is no feelings towards my ex. I am so happy for her and her new relationship. Maybe it did make her feel less sspecial but like I said it was from years ago. I just dont understand why she would bring it up at all. Esp whe. She finished the relationship. Also I never cared for my ex the way I do for L. With L it has been so different on every level. With L I found true love and my soul mate.
Thank you anita
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