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August 27, 2019 at 8:47 am #309451SusyParticipant
Dear Anita,
I can partly agree with you, but (at least for now) I don’t think he was dishonest. Confused? Pretty much.
I completely agree that he was sending mixed signals. What I meant with the joke about the oscar was, I don’t think he was acting. Acting would not involve talking about me to friends and family… and even introducing me to his best friend through video call. I do believe he wanted a relationship at first. He even talked about how could we make things work in long distance. And if I was willing to move to another country in a year or so. When he asked me to visit him, he also told me that no one ever was invited to his flat, not even family. They always stayed in a hotel. So it meant a lot probably.This is why it was so confusing afterwards… Because if he did not like me, we should not have slept together… (it happened more than once) I know intimacy is meaningful for him, too, or at least he told me so. I had only 3 long term relationships, no one night stands… but I guess women and men are not the same in this regard. Somewhere I read that men can’t think straight before sex, women after…. 🙂 So true.
By the “closure” he meant that it was the first time they had a calmer discussion about ending things for good. And that it also happened for the first time that he felt it is over and this is why he was physically incapable. He also told me that he is very much ashamed, and that it was indeed like cheating on me. – And this is why he is not ready, because he would never hurt someone intentionally. I think it is very much important for him, hence the last message…
August 27, 2019 at 9:26 am #309455AnonymousGuestDear Susy:
It reads to me that he was very much interested in you from the beginning of the 24/7 online communication and this is why he traveled to be with you in your country. Interested in being with you, spending time with you, being sexually intimate with you.
At one point, maybe after the visit with you ended, he no longer wanted to be with you, so he ended the relationship.
“Somewhere I read that men can’t think straight before sex, women after”-
– he wanted to spend time with you and have sex with you. Maybe he considered a long term relationship with you, but his main motivation was to spend physical time with you, to have a romance-and-sex experience. He had that on that one visit with you and when the visit was over, soon after if not right away, he didn’t want romance-and-sex with you anymore.
When a dishonest man wants to have sex with a woman, he will say things to cause her to be motivated to have sex with him. It is almost a sexual ritual: you are pretty/ You are kind/ I like you/ I love you! He will suggest a future with her (“He even talked about how could we make things work in long distance. And if I was willing to move to another country in a year or so”), and he will make her feel special, suggesting in this case that he is willing to have you stay in his flat while he doesn’t let anyone else stay in his flat. You wrote: “no one ever was invited to his flat, not even family. They always stayed in a hotel. So it meant a lot probably”-
Let’s look at this last quote: first, the obvious- it so happens you didn’t stay in his flat, so.. well, you didn’t. Second, what does it mean that no one was ever invited to his flat- did you ask him why?
If you asked him this Why, you would find out better if indeed his comment reveals that you are special to him, or it reveals that he wanted you to feel special so to have sex with you.
In summary: you are welcome to ignore my suggestion that this man is dishonest, not confused, mind you, but dishonest. If you keep my suggestion in mind as a remote possibility- pay attention to future communications with him. You may see it for yourself.
(He may be honest in the future, have a change of mind-and-heart and well.. change. But it didn’t happen yet).
anita
August 27, 2019 at 12:24 pm #309467SusyParticipantDear Anita,
Please don’t get me wrong here. I do not ignore your opinion, on the contrary. You make me think hard, and I truly value all of your insight! This is why I came here.
August 27, 2019 at 12:32 pm #309469AnonymousGuestDear Susy:
Thank you for your note to me, above. I appreciate it. Well, post again anytime you want to. I do enjoy learning about people, putting the pieces together, adjusting the picture over time, with new information.
anita
August 30, 2019 at 8:33 am #309747SusyParticipantWell, the week is almost gone, did not hear from him since our last messages. I guess this is it.
But still makes me sad. I guess I’m just not good at judging people.August 30, 2019 at 9:19 am #309753AnonymousGuestDear Susy:
To judge, or to evaluate a man correctly, take your time and pay attention. Take into consideration the sexual element: men, especially younger men, are often highly motivated to have sex with women (heterosexual men, that is)- in that motivation many say things (or type them/ text them)-> don’t take their words as the absolute truth, incorporate their motivation into your understanding of what they say.
Often men like variety, that is, they get excited over the prospect of sex with one woman but they are not invested in having sex only with this one woman forever more. They see other attractive women and soon enough, they feel that it is time for a change, time to experience sex with a new woman, if one is available, or go back to a previous woman.
This man was online with you 24/7, very interested, then he offered to travel to see you, have a real date, he said. What to do, retroactively, that is- you tell him:”That will be wonderful but there will be no sex. I will need to date you for about two months, in-person, before I consider sex with you. If you want to travel to see me anyway, let me know.
Let’s say he travels anyway but you can tell he didn’t take what you said seriously and tries to have sex with you.. then you get to know him more: he didn’t take what you told him seriously! Not a good basis for a relationship.
Let’s say he travels and doesn’t pressure you, doesn’t try to romance you, dine and wine you toward sex- you learn something valuable: he traveled all the way to get to know me in-person, respected what I said to him, left after the visit, still interested… there is something special here!
anita
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