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March 15, 2018 at 5:22 am #197363AnonymousGuest
Dear joanna:
I was wondering but never asked, when you mention “self harm”, are you referring to these two behaviors: picking on your skin and to excessively treating your hair? Or are there other behaviors in what you refer to as self harm?
I also wonder how you are doing these days, dealing with your mother.
anita
March 16, 2018 at 11:28 am #197715AnonymousInactiveHi Anita
I am very happy to see you have posted. My self harm is mostly picking on my face, treating it with products who make it exfoliate of burn, also picking with my hands, when I have a wound and I see it, in general doing all the things to not let it heal, I had spots which bled and that didn’t stop me from leaving it alone. This I believe is called interfering with healing. This led to acne and skin problems 4 times in my life. Other types of self harm, I didn’t do that often but in times of real anger and helplessness I used to beat my hands and legs with my hands, literally with great strength. My body always hurt after that. This was the worst, or I don’t know, maybe skin picking is the worst because it’s more persistent and sneaky, if you understand what I mean. Ripping small parts of skin around my nails.Picking my eyelashes sometimes, but this I really wanted to stop so I control it. I also had the period in my life when I started doing piercings, I only did 4 but it was in period of one month and I couldn’t stand the pain anymore because the pain was long after doing this, for about week or so. The wound and the pain gave me relief. But I didn’t do it anymore, anyway at that time I couldn’t stop myself and I didn’t even understand why I do it. The hair is something I definitely left alone and I will never come back no matter what because if I damage it, it will never heal, needs to grow so I got scared of that. Perhaps there are other ways I harmed myself, those are some I recall.
I’m doing okay, thank you for asking and caring. My mother is at her partner’s house lately, and also spending time with grandma. Recently I try to speak everything just like in this argument about things in the kitchen. I guess it’s better when I say it instead of being quiet.
So I met with this guy, he just left my house. I wasn’t sure about this meeting, I first said yes but then I said I’m not sure. He came here anyway.
March 16, 2018 at 11:59 am #197723AnonymousGuestDear jaonna:
I thought your mother and her partner broke up and that is why she was living with you, in the flat that belongs to her. Are they back together and is it possible that she will move out?
I understand what you mean by self harm, more thoroughly. I know a bit about it because there were incidents when I hit myself too, hit my head against the wall for the purpose of feeling pain. Or more like it, to … show the pain in the inside by bringing it to the outside, making it visible, not hidden.
There is something about experiencing hidden pain that is unseen by others, unnoticed- it being so intense and at the same time invisible.
What happened with the man coming to your place just now, share if you would like.
anita
March 16, 2018 at 1:05 pm #197733AnonymousInactiveDear Anita
They started seeing each other again. But she still didn’t come back there, just visiting him sometimes, I don’t know the details, she doesn’t talk to me about him because she knows I don’t like him. Yes I think there is chance she will move out again.
About your self harm, were those temporary episodes or more like constant and repetitive? Were you aware of what were you doing? I noticed I have episodes, besides doing it sometimes every day I do it in some period of time, when something bothers me or I cant deal with emotions, for example for couple of weeks or so. What do you mean by that “There is something about experiencing hidden pain that is unseen by others, unnoticed- it being so intense and at the same time invisible.” ?
Well he texted me yesterday, I asked if he wants to just talk and sit, and he said no, obviously not and that there are a lot of things he would like me to do. He asked today if he can come in the morning and I said I’m not home and I’m not sure about this. He came here in the evening. We talked for an hour, and I saw he was disappointed, I asked him “so what do you want to do” he was just looking at me, not saying anything. I did what he wanted. I saw he really liked it, even more than in the past. He barely touched me, maybe it made him feel less guilty. I asked if he wants to stay for the night and he said he cant and that it already happened too much. So I said what does it mean too much, I mean we are both aware of what is happening so it wasn’t some silly coincidence or something. I didn’t say that, just asked what does it mean “too much” and I saw he won’t admit why he came here. So now I don’t know what’s next. Maybe he wanted this but now he feels guilty, and will never speak to me again, or maybe he will want to meet again. I really can’t tell what he thinks and what he wants now. I feel like I’m thinking about this too much in last few days and just lost a distance and clear mind.
March 17, 2018 at 5:34 am #197791AnonymousGuestDear joanna:
I wish your mother moved out again so you can live in the flat by yourself. Too bad it is in the city and there is too much noise, which you mentioned. I wonder about your house, the one where your estranged grandparents are living in, if it is in a quiet area and if there is a way for you to live there before your grandparents die.
Regarding what I described to you in the last post, it was a few times only, in my life. I felt an overwhelming emotional pain that was difficult to keep inside. I felt angry too, that no one was helping me with that pain. I don’t remember if someone was watching me, because if there was, then the act was to … show that person that I was indeed hurting. And so, I moved that emotional pain from its invisible place to being visible. As if saying to the observer: you don’t see how much pain I am in. Now, do you see it? Do something about it!
Regarding the man: reads like he is conflicted. Maybe feeling guilt, like you suggested. Maybe. You wrote that you “lost a distance and clear mind” as a result of the recent interactions with him. How do you feel today/ as you are reading my post?
anita
March 17, 2018 at 11:21 am #197839AnonymousInactiveDear Anita
As I said there is a slight chance she will move out but since they are seeing each other again there is still a distance, she doesn’t spend too much time with him, just visiting for a few days, sometimes she comes back here in the evening so she doesn’t stay there anymore. I assume she would leave him but he uses the fact he is sick and wants her to feel pity for him, so she visits him because she doesn’t want to be cruel and leave him. Also they have cats that she loves so she will never leave them.
As for the pain you were feeling and the self harm. Sure I know exactly what it means. Although, the fact that it was only s few times in your life I assume this was in the moments when something really bad happened to you. I always wonder if the purpose of self harm is really to show someone, even if we don’t really intend or plan for someone to see. Did this person do something about your pain, when she/he saw it?
I am sad, Yesterday he texted me and he was nice, but today: that it would be “healthier” to not do this again. I replied I don’t regret it. He just smiled. I can’t stop thinking about this even for a second, it’s haunting me. Maybe tomorrow would be better. I woke up early and didn’t know what to do with myself and with a free time. I have two days off and I’m scared of this much time, even though I have a lot do to. I don’t know what to do with the all this, that he was here and we did this and he left, and now it’s all gone and it doesn’t matter. What to do with those emotions, I need to suppress them again. Again I feel panic I will lose him forever this time. The fact he is ignoring me and texted me this makes me panic so much.
March 17, 2018 at 11:36 am #197845AnonymousGuestDear jaonna:
No, the person didn’t help me. Similar to the man you were with a day or two ago, he didn’t care to help me.
Reads to me that it wasn’t a good idea to see him again, you feeling panicky again, worse than before, correct?
What about his visit made you feel good?
anita
March 17, 2018 at 12:59 pm #197857AnonymousInactiveDear Anita
This house that my grandparents live, No I can’t move there. I tried several times to be in good relations with them, they don’t want that. My mother is a half owner of this house after my father, and she also has plans with it. She sometimes says she will live there and I will have this flat, sometimes she says she wants this house for me, so that I would live in quiet area. Either way, I will have to fight with her to have my own place and not have a flat and a house that both “belong” to her and I can just live there. It will be tough. Or maybe not, maybe I will clearly state that I want this house. Anyway this is my hope for a better life.
Very often in my life I used to look for a person to save me, to see my pain, to finally help me and set me free. I never succeeded because they didn’t care. Or maybe I didn’t see that I shouldn’t have had those expectations because the only person that can make me feel better and help me is myself. Do you agree/did you realize that later? Or do you blame this person for not caring.
What made me feel good, he kissed me when he saw me. We talked about his parents, laughed a bit. I like it when he looks at me like he used to when we were dating. He talked like he wants to keep meeting again, looking for reasons to come by. This substitute of a relationship gives me this much happiness, it’s ridiculous how my mind tricks me. And now this panic of losing a man who doesn’t even care about his girlfriend’s feelings (not only mine, which I kind of got used to). I wonder how he went back home and how he acted when she opened the door.
It was nice, although I recently realize we don’t have that much in common anymore and I lost some respect for him knowing what he does, that it was so easy to tempt him. I know he is not a good person and not that authority for me anymore. I mean, I did this because I love him, and I have issues. He doesn’t even have feelings for me, he just couldn’t resist the simple urge, knowing this would be cheating and he chose to live with this, only to fulfill this urge. Or maybe I’m too harsh for him and it’s nothing.
Again I cant cope with the emotions and have the urge to *do something*. I don’t even know what because most of my usual self harm activities I made forbidden to myself. So I Try to be reasonable. I was looking for replacement activities to cope with emotions but I think none of them would work. So I’m just sitting here.
March 17, 2018 at 3:30 pm #197871AnonymousInactivesorry for second post.Sitting and doing nothing because I literally can’t move. I scratched a wound on my face. It’s bleeding and I know it will leave a scar. I felt secure for couple of seconds and now it’s gone again. The relief isn’t coming. I feel so bad I don’t wanna live being this person that I am. I’m so tired with all this fighting and struggling, sacrificing my life to a man who treats me like shit only because I have this damage in my head, when is it going to end finally? When is the relief, do I have to destroy myself to end this and stop feeling this. I cant stand feeling all this and this person again and again, I can’t
March 18, 2018 at 7:04 am #197923AnonymousGuestDear joanna:
The emotional pain that you feel and have felt for so long, year after year, all that pain… it is amazing how much of it a person can and does experience and survives. This pain, you need to feel it more. I will explain. Of course you feel it but you need to relax into it. When you hurt your face and feel that pain, see the injury, you relax a bit into that pain. It is a temporary relaxing.
Will you try this: in your next post, describe your pain, how it feels and as you do, relax into it. Rest in it and describe it. Describe it more than you did before. Instead of feeling it and pushing it away, again and again, feel it and relax into it. As you relax into it, type the words that describe it as it is.
* I will be re-reading later some of your posts to get a better understanding and will be writing you again today. Of course I will reply to you if and following you doing the exercise I suggested.
anita
March 18, 2018 at 7:38 am #197931AnonymousInactiveDear Anita
I burnt a couple of spots on my face yesterday. I didn’t give me any relief, more like exhausted me, which is good too, anything. I hope it will heal and won’t be visible in few days. Describe it, this pain feels like I’m trapped in my body, like I’m in a trap or a cage of those things I can’t set myself free, this anger, this sick feeling I call love, those memories of fear and helplessness when my parents yelled, the hatred towards myself and harming myself, this pain is a cage in which I am locked with all those things and I can’t open it and get out. Do you understand. I cant get out of this cage. I know I shouldn’t harm myself, I know I shouldn’t come back to him but it’s all here and I can’t leave it because I can’t get out. I talked to a friend about it and he told me that it is up to me to change it, it is always up to me to change my life and my fate. It’s not true, I am trapped here.
Those “substitutes” of self harm are so stupid and silly, sorry if someone thinks taking cold shower may be close to feeling pain and seeing yourself bleeding, it’s definitely not.
March 18, 2018 at 7:58 am #197935AnonymousGuestDear joanna:
I believe I understand. But do you believe me, that I understand, that I experienced something very similar and for many, many years? I remember this experience (now much relieved, much changed) being so intense, so hopeless, that in it was that belief that no one feels this way. The conviction in that experience was that I was all alone, the only one. This belief is inherent in this experience of intense emotional pain, part of it, that one is all alone, trapped, in desperate need for help that is not there.
Maybe there is a thought there, that such pain is so intense, so devastating, that it can’t be common, no way. A thought that it is so devastating that someone has to do something to help me! I mean, if anyone only knew how much it hurts, they would help me. They are not helping, therefore they must not know how much it hurts.
Do you relate to this?
anita
March 18, 2018 at 8:29 am #197933AbbeyParticipantDear Joanna,
I am new here. Just want to let you know that you’re not alone and that it will get better.
xx
Abbey
March 18, 2018 at 8:50 am #197951AnonymousGuestDear joanna:
I re-read your posts from Oct 15 to Dec 8, 2017. My goal was to read about your relationship with this man. First, quotes, second will be my input. There may be something new in my input, maybe not. You can let me know, if there is something new in your understanding.
“He lied to me, cheated, didn’t even promise he wouldn’t and I agreed to all this, because I couldn’t leave. He ignored me for weeks and didn’t respect me. I was starting to have enough of this in April. We didn’t see each other for 3 months. After that I started to feel worse, my anxiety worsened… He told me…that I don’t even deserve to break up with because we were never a couple…I can’t stop thinking about this guy and how he broke my heart and didn’t ever care, how he despises me and my feelings and what a piece of s**t I must be if someone can treat my that way…My anxiety got worse because of this guy, yes. My anxiety doesn’t go away and now that he’s gone for good did not make me feel better…I am aware this men caused most of my anxiety but I still cannot hate him for this… I can’t hate him because I still blame my tendency for depression and anxiety for all this, and think that I could have responded differently to treating me badly… when it comes to people with bad influence I always seek their attention, and see them as a challenge. To change them, to make them see me, to make them care, I have to earn it… It started 8 years ago when we met. A year ago we started dating but he was on my mind way earlier. I can’t let him go… I keep talking with this guy whom I broke up with… I get the feeling I made the mistake and should have stayed, and that I will be alone forever. The fact that I lost a job and am I am sick makes it worse. We talk and he is nice but I keep torturing myself with what I did and how I shouldn’t have broken up with him…I feel suicidal since he’s gone. Since I’m alone and aware he’s gone forever and it all should have been different. I keep beating myself up all days, and all nights. I can’t stand thoughts. I wake up and it all starts in my head until I fall asleep again at night…when I met this guy he reminded me of my father so much, felt so familiar, so nice and safe. And then when I failed to make him love me… I had this chance and I couldn’t, and I don’t know why, what is wrong with me. I can’t understand that…I understand he is a bad person, but I can’t forgive myself I couldn’t make him love me, I keep analyzing every moment which could be different, every conversation which could be better, even yesterdays texting when I could have been different… I always want to punish myself, why am I like that, why I can’t be a person he wants. Maybe some detail I’d say or do would change how he feels about me.”
March 18, 2018 at 8:54 am #197955AnonymousInactiveYes, definitely. I always feel like I’am alone and no one, even those close to me have no idea how it is. No one knows. I believe you experienced this. Do you still have this feeling?
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