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May 26, 2016 at 2:09 pm #105717AnonymousGuest
Dear Brav3:
She flirted with a sales guy so to get a discount in price of an item; with a higher up at work, so to get a promotion there. This means she expressed an attraction toward the guy that she didn’t feel for a personal gain. She expressed flattery (insincere appreciation) of a guy for personal gain. You observed this.
So it makes sense to me that she put you on a pedestal at the beginning of the relationship insincerely, for the purpose of personal gain, so to prepare you to depend on such “love.”
And then she chose to not communicate with you sincerely and say whatever served her at the moment.
Yes, it seems to me that she deceivingly manipulates people, that it is her MO.
You wrote it is not a crime, true. Yet there is a victim to this non- crime, you. And I believe you are correct, this MO will continue with the current guy and people in her life now and in the future.
I see. I have an understanding now. So your pain is partly being angry at yourself for having been played, deceptively manipulated. Part of you misses being on the pedestal.
Do you miss being on her pedestal even though you were not? Even though it was similar to her flirting with salesmen, a mean to an end?
It makes me think of a dancing doll, looks happy dancing, but then you see it is connected with threads and someone is moving the doll or puppet in such ways that the puppet looks like its dancing. You are like that puppet, having felt great being loved, but all along she moved you that way, made it look like you were loved.
If you agree with my image (Do you?)Do you miss being that puppet?
anita
May 26, 2016 at 4:22 pm #105724Brav3ParticipantYes, Anita. You are absolutely on spot on this.
I can recall easily so many times, where I am seeing her being sooooo fake, soo deceiving to people. These people include not only her friends and family, but my family and friends as well. It was like, she being extremely sooo nice to them. And I would think that behavior as “Oh wow, she is so kind and loving” but back of mind I had doubts, because her opinion about others doesn’t match her behavior for them.
When it comes to stranger ( male), she had this smiley, giggly face and flirty body language and fully engaging back with flirt endo to comments. It would feel soooooooo wrong to me but I still wouldn’t say, because if I did, then I was labelled as insecure and jealous Bf. I had previous relationships before her and none of my previous Gfs ever ever said that I was acting insecure and jealous. So I couldn’t understand What actually was happening? Or how did I become overly sensitive, jealous and insecure.
Yes, I think my pain is because of few reasons. First, that I was being played for honest and sincere love, one has to be seriously F##ked up in head to do things like that to someone who loved and cared for them. Second, she gets away with it and I can’t do anything because no one would believe me and it wasn’t a crime. Third, flashes of traumatic memories where she was acting wrong and I am being so pathetic and weak, not saying a word, they keep coming in. Although, they are getting less frequent.
I totally agree with your image. I will try to keep that image of puppet that you described in my mind. I tried that before but I get really angry. I know all I can do is learn from it and be free.
May 26, 2016 at 8:25 pm #105749AnonymousGuestDear Brav3:
I have an understanding now that I didn’t have before. Your were played then, like anyone else who needs her in any way. You were played, used, lied to, with no consequence to her. You are angry at her, but worse, you are angry at yourself for being “pathetic and weak.”
You are not grieving a love story but an abuse story.
There is a difference. And what a difference!
Please write more. This new understanding that I am having needs to settle in my own brain. Will be back tomorrow morning with a fresh brain to review this amazing turn of events in my settling understanding.
anita
May 26, 2016 at 11:28 pm #105768Call Me IshmaelParticipantHi, Brav3.
Your experiences remind me of some of my own experiences, as well as things I learned while researching the behaviors of my (then) Gf (now ex) to learn what might be driving her behaviors. Through my research I was able to understand what facilitated our relationship and why it played out the way it did. Understanding those things helped me to look at our relationship much more objectively, and to put my role in our relationship into clearer perspective.
However, to be up-front, my relationship with my ex-Gf was much shorter than yours, we did not live together, and our breakup was amazingly kind, compassionate, loving, and amicable. She initiated the breakup because, as she said, she could not stand “hurting [me] anymore.” (Yes, it could have been an amazingly subtle line of BS, but I think there was at least a modicum of truth to it.)
Although she told me stories about several horrifying and traumatic experiences in her life (some relatively recent, and some long-past), and the subsequent diagnoses of her having PTSD, extreme anxiety disorder, night terrors, etc. she never told me about the two things (one more manifested than the other) that most readily explained 99% of her behaviors throughout our relationship, and possibly even her traumatic stories (not that I have any evidence that they did not actually happen).
In my ex-Gf’s case, her behaviors were most consistent with borderline personality disorder (BPD), with a much lesser consistency of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). According to what I’ve read, many times these two disorders are co-occurring. Based on many of the terms she used throughout our relationship (terms I later learned were nomenclature related to BPD and NPD), her demonstration of what I later learned were coping strategies, and the stories she told me of her past behavior (compared to my observance of her current behavior), I suspect that she knew about BPD and had been in therapy for it for at least seven years or more. But, as I said, she never told about the possibility of her being diagnosed with BPD.
When I think of the possibility of her knowing that she had been diagnosed with BPD, but then not telling me, while telling me about other diagnoses and traumas, the adage “Never give a sucker an even break,” springs to mind. Such a modus operandi, however, is not inconsistent with BPD or NPD.
I encourage you to research these two disorders to see if your ex’s behaviors seem to be consistent with one or both. If you find that they are, you will begin to understand that the end of your relationship with her was all but a foregone conclusion before you even met her, and that what responsibility you bear in its end was not so much due to your behavior during the relationship, but what may have facilitated you being in the relationship in the first place.
CMI
May 27, 2016 at 8:15 am #105793AnonymousGuestDear Brav3:
You didn’t know who your ex was when you fell in love with her and then when you saw things that were wrong, you didn’t want to see them. When you fell in love with her, you became attached to her, emotionally attached, emotionally invested and so, your objective evaluation of her became almost impossible, if not impossible.
You saw her being fake with her family members, your family members, her friends, your friends, and somewhere inside you the reality that she is likely fake with you, at least at times, occurred to you. But such reality was too uncomfortable to endure because you were already attached, already invested.
Things you observed felt “soooooooo wrong” to you because they were wrong. Next you bring up things to her, inconsistencies in her behavior. She is too invested in her MO, in the way she operates and doesn’t want to be interrupted by your honest input, your sincere concerns and distress, so she attacks you: not it is not me, it is you…you and you! You are the problem. This is what people do to deflect responsibility that they do own.
Can you imagine being born to a mother like that? I was. And so you experienced a person like that as an adult. It hurts and it is injurious. There is no way around it.
In the future when you detect such behaviors (and watch for them) in people you are not yet attached to, make your choices then. If you watch a person being fake with another person, talking to you angrily and distastefully about the other person, and then acting exceedingly lovingly toward them in person, then likely this person is the same with you. Don’t trust their loving behavior with you when in person.
Your ex, I bet she had loving feelings for you at times. And at times the honest, loving little girl in her, the little girl that she was, come to the surface. Unfortunately, the woman that she has become is in charge.
And now it is about recovery from an abusive relationship. I call the abuse of telling you that you are wrong, wrong and again wrong in the way you think and feel, I call it Cognitive Abuse. You call it gaslighting, I believe. Same thing.
With regaining your clarity of thinking, that is with healing the cognitive abuse you suffered (confused thinking, excessive self doubts, the results of such abuse), you will become a wiser man and you will move on.
anita
May 28, 2016 at 4:02 am #105832Brav3ParticipantHi Callmeishmal,
Thank you for your insight. I will look into NPD. For now, I am just trying to accept what is and it is difficult.
Brav3
May 28, 2016 at 4:54 am #105835Brav3ParticipantAnita,
Thank you for putting this all in words. You described it perfectly.
I can’t even imagine what you went through. My compassion goes to you and I hope you heal soon.
I want to forgive her and free myself from this. I want to ‘not feel’ anything when I see her. How can I be that?
I want to move on. I am tired of these emotions.
Brav3
May 28, 2016 at 9:27 am #105843AnonymousGuestDear Brav3:
You are welcome and thank you for your wishes!
My suggestion in your quest to free yourself from this is that every time you think about her in a way that is not true to reality, correct your thinking, to yourself, making your thinking fit reality. So when you think something like: “She loved me” or “I was loved” (whether in these words or in an automatic kind of way where you feel like you were loved), correct your thinking to something like: “At times she felt love for me, but overall she did not love me. She hurt me and deeply. It was not love.”
You come up with the words that fit reality, as you see it, as it is. When you do, again and again… and yet again, your feelings will change to fit the reality (instead of the fantasy of distorted thinking).
This is the core of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)- correcting distorted thinking and in so doing the feelings will change.
But notice: is it not about correcting thinking any which way so to feel better, but correcting thinking so to fit what is reality, the objective truth.
Post anytime!
anita
May 29, 2016 at 3:43 pm #105927Brav3ParticipantAnita,
There’s a part of me that doesn’t want to accept that she manipulated me. The same part of me doesn’t able to understand how can she changed so fast and all other related things. This is when I feel that I am not moving forward but stuck in a loop.
I did try using some of CBT as you described, but the same part of me doesn’t want to accept those words. I will try again when I am not feeling emotional pain.
Brav3
May 29, 2016 at 3:55 pm #105929AnonymousGuestDear Brav3:
Emotions do stand in the way of clearly seeing reality for what it is. We refuse to believe that which is painful. So first thing I was taught in therapy was to withstand emotional pain, to not be overwhelmed by it, to endure it without losing my senses. (called Emotional Regulation).
Then comes the correcting of distorted thinking, letting go of delusions (false beliefs) and accepting reality.
The more emotionally invested you are in a person, the more painful it is to see reality when reality is she manipulated you.
It will take time to withstand seeing her as you now know that she is. It will take time believing yourself, seeing her that way. Be willing to see her the way she is. Even if you can’t, because it is painful, just say to yourself: I am willing, over time, to see her like she is.
Delusion will keep you in pain. Clarifying the fog of delusion and seeing reality for what it is must be done if you want to heal. Only it is a process. Logica alone won’t do the job. To believe what is true, you have to feel it is true. To feel it is true, well, that is the process.
Till your next post, take good care of yourself. Take breaks.
anita
May 29, 2016 at 4:19 pm #105931Brav3ParticipantAnita,
Emotions are my biggest problems. My thinking gets clouded with them. I give you an example.
Last night I was doing my regularly shopping and then out of nowhere an emotional thought came to me that How she would shower me with her affection and love ( cuddling and all) in shopping centre. Then I tried saying to myself that its all gone, it wasn’t true. I returned home and thinking cycle continued, so I tried reading book which helped for a while. And then when I fall asleep, all dreams about her and the sickening feeling of she is hiding something continued. Woke up in the morning with tiredness and restlessness. Couldn’t exercise. So tried meditation where things went downhill. Grief and anger came back and so as suffering. Started my day with tears in my eyes. That’s when I saw your post.
I am so deluded. I still am not able to believe the truth. She is with someone else now and I am still holding on.
Brav3
May 29, 2016 at 4:26 pm #105933AnonymousGuestDear Brav3:
Part of the truth is that her ways cannot work for her benefit in the long run. She may look happy to you and she may feel happy, but dishonesty will catch up to her. It is just not possible to be dishonest and happy as a way of life. To Thine Own Self be True- that is necessary for peace of mind.
back in a couple of hours. Sorry for your suffering.
anita
May 29, 2016 at 5:50 pm #105940Brav3ParticipantAnita,
There’s more I want to tell you. The relationship that I had with her started wrong as well. I had no intention of dating her as I knew she was living with someone for 3 years. I was looking to make friends at that time. She slowly started acting more than a friend, showing alot of care for me, which I couldn’t understand at that time. But because of my loneliness I started developing attraction for her.
One night she asked me to go out and have drinks with her and her friend and I made up an excuse and declined. I was questioning myself to start having feelings for someone’s Gf. I knew it wasn’t right. So I stepped back. The next day she asked me about this and then revealed her feelings for me. She also said that her relationship with her previous Bf in rocks ( she used the same words for me as well). She told me how he was so negative and had abandonment issues.
This is where I made a mistake because I was so desperate, so sick of being alone that I BELIEVED what she said to me. She broke up with someone that she was with for 3 years and had no sadness or pain. When I asked her that if she feels sad, she said she was unhappy with him and that’s it. I assumed that guy (who’s relationship fell apart because of me) treated her badly and wasn’t loving person and that’s why she feels relieved rather than sadness. I was absolutely wrong.
I am in some way responsible for this. I followed my emotions and didn’t think that if she could walk away after 3 years of relationship, she could do the same to me. I thought if I love her honestly she would be happy and won’t leave. I blindly followed my attraction and didn’t realizing that I actually caused hurt to someone who loved her honestly as well. She left because she gets bored with her victims and look for new ones.
I am suffering because I caused pain and hurt to someone, although, I never intended to. I was so afraid of being alone, blinded by my emotions and feelings that I jumped into a relationship. I hope that person will forgive me.
May 29, 2016 at 5:55 pm #105941AnonymousGuestDear Brav3:
You wrote in post before last: “The same part of me doesn’t able to understand how can she changed so fast…”
Delusion: she was a decent woman who loved you and then changed, stopped loving you.
Reality: she was not a decent woman; manipulative from the time before you met her, you just didn’t know that. You felt something wrong but ignored it for the longest time.You are very fortunate it is ended. She was like a tasty supply of donuts that gave you great pleasure at times, but also diabetes. When you thought about her acting lovingly toward you in the shopping center, that was like eating a box of donuts. You remember how good it felt eating it and forgot about the diabetes, the distress you felt about her flirting with other men, being fake to people, gaslighting you.
So when you think about the donuts, give equal time to the diabetes. Reality is about seeing the bigger picture. Let me know how it is working for you, the bigger picture, that is.
anita
May 29, 2016 at 6:33 pm #105947Brav3ParticipantAnita,
Everytime I share my story and see your comment on it, I get to see the bigger picture.
Your example is so good. Just by reading it I feel instant relief. I will practice it to break free from delusion.
I will try to remind myself the distress she caused me with her behavior, how she was so manipulative. The bigger picture. I know this will take quite alot of practice.
Brav3
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