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omykParticipantDear Anita –
Thank you for following through on your promise to respond within 20 hours. That’s impressive! I’m able to deliver on a similar promise to students, but that’s pretty much it.
I need to think about my response. I’m at my haven now and do not get here very often. I did not mention that my wife is buried only 40 minutes away, and that seems to draw me here. I visited her burial site today and wept somewhat vigorously for part of the journey there. This is unusual…I am now typically calm when I go there.
In any event – more tomorrow.
Peace to you and yours.
Omyk
omykParticipantDear Roberta –
These are great suggestions. I have discussed the possibility of relocating here with my child. They express support for me, but they do not want to live here. The brief time we lived here left them with some negative memories. I don’t know this for sure, but I suspect that the last memory of their deceased mother was from the summer we spent in this home right before she died. To their credit, they support my desire to relocate here at some point, and I have had opportunities to visit on my own time. The place has developed from a cell of raw pain to a haven of warmth and sabbath.
I have lived in many communities and am confident I can make it work in what was formerly the retirement home (apologies for the cliche). My child will govern their own destiny. I quietly hope they may approach this home in a new way on their own time.
Thank you for sharing your experience in your small touristy community. (Sounds familiar to me!). Your ability to forge connections and acknowledgement of its value is inspiring.
Warmly,
Omyk
omykParticipantDear Anita –
Thank you. Yes, my child has communicated emotional withdrawal. I sense my own role shifting gradually and clearly, into someone who provides space as they manage more and more of their own affairs. There were complications before their mother’s death, and the impact it had on my relationship with them was inevitable (in terms of an impact).
One of the issues that has come into play for me is place. My current city of residence is based on employment, but I have no anchor here outside of my religious community. My late spouse and I had chosen and slowly renovated a retirement home in a small, but lovely community in our native region (we were both from the same general area). We spent a few summers there before the pandemic and I have owned the property since 2016. It was very hard to visit the place at first and I put it up for sale twice. There were no buyers on the first round, and I took it off the market after a few hours on the second round. It has become a haven for me – I visit it as often as I can. I have been strategizing ways to make the place my home base once my child begins their university studies – not easy because jobs in my primary field are scarce.
If I could make a choice on the basis of location, it would be this homey haven on the water, even though it’s by no means splashy or posh.
What are your thoughts on the significance of place? A friend of mine says that it would be better to have a small salary and live in the place that feels like home to you than to make more money and live in a community that doesn’t feel like home. One advantage to making the retirement home my main hub is that my brother lives nearby, and he is really the only person I feel close to besides my child. (Sad as that may sound, but i suspect true for many people).
With gratitude for you –
Omyk
omykParticipantDear Alessa –
Thank you for your kind words and insights. Depending on how one defines closeness in relationships, I would say I feel close to less than two people. I’m learning that parent-child relations are complex and my child’s current development into young adulthood (not there yet, but close) leads to separation. I am conscious of my own need to allow them to find their way, solve their own problems, manage their own affairs. I am close to one family member, a sibling, but they live far away. We communicate about once a week.
I do see a counselor and he has been enormously helpful. There is only so much he can do. I have to do the heavy lifting and feel like I’m at an important juncture in this journey. I will take you up on your suggestion of a wider net. That sounds very wise!
With gratitude –
Omyk
omykParticipantDear Anita –
I am deeply humbled by your response. Your response is filled with wisdom.
You mentioned emotional intensity twice. I think this is spot-on. I am clearly in a liminal space. It is a strange experience and I find it exhausting. I want to leave it and enter a new stage, but feel like I don’t know how to get out. And the exhaustion seems to be caused by my inability to learn how to move from one phase to the next.
It may be hard for me to accept that there aren’t many people who want to engage with someone as intense as me. That was really intuitive. I will reflect on that for a while.
The parenting issue is a constant struggle. I can only say I feel, which may or may not be true. But I feel as if my child rejects me more often than not. I have read a lot about parenting and have learned that it is a struggle for most. I am trying to learn how to refrain from asking too much from my child. The frequent expressions of indifference and outright rejection hurt. Counselors tell me to buck up and grow thick skin. Haven’t learned how to do that yet, either.
I don’t have answers and I don’t expect anyone else to, either.
But I am grateful for your thoughtful and empathetic comments. Thank you.
Omyk
omykParticipantDear Roberta –
My goodness! Who am I to complain and vent about the deaths I have endured? You didn’t ask for empathy, but I offer it here. You have my admiration, too – for finding a way to make the best of each day.
On the theme of making the best of life, I find it to be a strange experience. Most days are ok – I have an agenda, do part or most of what needs to be done, and sometimes enjoy an activity. My problem surfaces when I get anxious about missing out and wonder about my future when I look into the crystal ball. Most days, I am not only okay being single, but somewhat relieved, because I feel like I have more than enough to keep me occupied. Then I will have these spells where I feel a strong desire to share life with someone, to really be close to another person from day to day. I am trying to let life come to me and be open to such possibilities without forcing them. I realize it’s possible I will never fill this deficit – sometimes I’m not okay with that.
Today, though, was a good day – I felt at peace and reasonably content with life, with all of the challenges it poses.
Sorry for rambling on here –
Sincerely,
Omyk
omykParticipantHi Alessa –
Thank you. You asked about a “fear of being alone” and a “fear of missing out on being with a partner?” The honest answer to both questions is yes. (Denial is not helpful :)). My child will be on their way out to college in two years, so I feel a change coming. I became quite introspective over the last few weeks. I remember that I cannot control the events of the past, but I do have some say on the present – I really am the only governor of my life. I have struggled to find a space, or maybe a way of life that feels right. I hope it is just a matter of time and trial and error.
About the 25 years….losing multiple people to sudden unexpected death reminds me that I have no idea if I have 25 years. π I feel an internal clock clicking, and that seems to be the source of my sense of missing out.
Thanks again for reaching out and engaging me on this topic.
Omyk
omykParticipantDear Roberta –
I am grateful for your compassion and your comments. I am trying to make my current single adult life work. I think I will know how it’s going to go only over a period of time. And your comments about choosing it and having it imposed on you are spot-on. Wishing you all the best
Omyk
omykParticipantI just wanted to say thanks for sending me this. I wept when I read it. Thank you, from my heart.
omykParticipantThanks for these helpful responses. I kept things going after my wife’s death and often feel like I’m just going day by day, with no real goal in mind. I think I have found a fairly happy space with my religious community – I accomplished a multi-decade goal of advancing within the ranks, and have found motivation in meeting the new challenge.
I notice that I start to unravel emotionally – mostly anxiety and the fear of being alone – if I try to look into the future. Can I really make it on my own for another 25 years or so and be happy?
When I tell myself to just try to make tomorrow a good and happy day, then everything goes well, usually very much so. And if it doesn’t, well, I can’t say that I was happy every day I was married. In fact, I was often unhappy.
My goal has been to try to be open to all possibilities and people. The only major goal I have is to downsize my life. I want to live meaningfully, but more quietly. (I spent a lot of the last two years traveling for work – exciting, but tiring, and ultimately fleeting). I’m tired of feeling like I’m always behind the eight ball, never caught up on everything that needs to be done.
omykParticipantDear Roberta-
I’m sorry about the passing of your childrens’ fathers. Your messages are inspiring.
I am finding that if I take some time to allow myself to endure episodes of loneliness – they usually last one day – I remain content with my life as it is, the single parent of a teen. This seems to be working out well for me, and has contributed to the reduction of stress and anxiety. I hope to be able to report that all is well at some point down the road, after a little more time has elapsed.
Wishing you and everyone else here well –
omyk
omykParticipantDear Roberta –
Thank you for sharing your experience. I am encouraged by your words and am genuinely happy for you.
As it happens, I did have the “discussion” with my wife before she died, because of the uncertainty of COVID. I had told her that she could have a new partner, but she did not indicate her feelings to me one way or another.
Your description of longing sounds very wise. I would say that I am fine most of the time, and that bouts of longing for another still come, but I am learning how to endure the moment until it passes. I, too, am trying to track my feelings over time. I haven’t been on a date for over four months now, and I feel like I am finally allowing myself to grow into a single life – one that has powerful episodes of fulfillment, despite the cold fact that I do miss my wife.
Wishing you all the best, with gratitude –
omyk
omykParticipantDear Anita,
Yes, there is much to unpack here. Thank you for compiling this information. I have a few thoughts.
First, one cannot deny human nature. Sexual desire and connection is normal, it can be good, and (I would say) it can even be sacred.
For the few who seem to embrace celibacy without difficulty, hopefully they find healthy ways to give and receive love.
I am looking at later life celibacy as a potential choice, and certainly not an easy one. I agree with O’Brien, who says it is difficult. Difficult is not impossible. I’m not sure if I will ultimately choose celibacy, but if I do, I will try to adopt the mindset that I had a good marriage, it is a worthwhile sacrifice to do something else good, and I can find healthy ways to give and receive love. And maybe it is just as much a “soulset” as it is a mindset. I’m meditating and praying on it now, and it’s definitely difficult. But I think it might be possible. Or at least I hope it is.
I think the important thing is to avoid denying that one has urges. I don’t want to deny my humanity. I also don’t want to lie to myself. Dostoevksy says that lying to yourself eventually leads one to cease loving.
With gratitude –
omyk
omykParticipantDear Helcat –
You raise a valid point and I received it happily and with a clear mind. My situation is a little complicated. I am a lower ranking minister in my religious community, which is somewhat conservative. When I was widowed, the rules state that I will be removed from ministry if I remarry. I have been doing ministry for more than twenty-five years and was considering taking the next step up when she died. Remarrying or cohabitating means giving up the ministry. A lot of people in our community don’t like this rule, but it’s not the kind of battle you can win. I’m trying to take it all as it comes. I do realize I might feel differently later, and if I do, I think I will have the courage to say that I ministered for several decades and can move on with dignity. I have another source of primary income, so I’m not financially dependent on it. Right now, there is so much on my plate in between single parenting and managing the job I have (there are serious issues at my workplace) that being still sounds very good to me.
What you say definitely makes sense and I am going to try to remain open to all good things, in as much as that is possible.
Gratefully,
omyk
omykParticipantDear Anita and Helcat,
Thank you for responding. I appreciate it. I appreciate your words, too.
Acknowledging that no two of us are the same, I have learned that sex signifies something much deeper to me. Regardless of how it sounds to someone else, for me, at this point in my life, I want to reserve it for deep love shared in a committed relationship. I understand that it’s something else for others, and I respect everyone else’s freedom to view and practice it how they wish.
A huge part of my upbringing was constantly obtaining approval of elders. I try to be conscious about avoiding acting in an overbearing way with my own child. But I sense that I have been shape to act in ways that others approve of – even if they’re not hear to signal their approval! So, I’m working on that right now. It is really hard work to unlearn and then learn a new way of thinking!
Thanks again, and all the best –
omyk
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