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TimParticipant
Hi,
Reading this as a male made me feel incredibly ashamed, I apologise that this was your first experience.
You have taken the first step, in recognising this relationship is toxic and I’m sorry but the harsh reality is he is using you for his own needs only. You deserve someone who keeps you safe and wants to wine and dine you. Puts effort into creating a bond or building a connection for a relationship.
It saddens me someone has taken advantage of you being vulnerable. Love can make you blind to the reality of the situation, I see you are young and thought by giving him sexual favours would make him love you. Many despicable men will take advantage of you in that way which is why it is important to guard and protect yourself in future from engaging in sex so soon.
You obviously regret it thus continued trying to make it work. However, we all make mistakes, do no make further mistake of subjecting yourself to being disrespected and further used. Do not try to justify it. Walk away and cut off all contact. You will hurt but heal in time. In future, if you do not want casual sex and more meaningful sex do not give in until you have commitment and know the guy is serious about you.
You were naive but do not let this define your future relationships. Take it as a harsh lesson and seek better for yourself as you deserve so much better.
Tim
July 4, 2020 at 9:20 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #360516TimParticipantHi Sammy,
I empathise with your situation. Previously I posted how much reading this thread took me back to my very own experience. That’s what it was an experience, I no longer dwell on it, it was a road I had to take to get me to where I am today. I’m a much better person and stronger as a result. You too will make it out. It just takes time and willpower.
1)Do men miss women/do dates carry significance for them?
Do not be fooled by the misconception of men being devoid of emotions. In general, at first most men go into denial, compartmentalise and carry on but shortly after it hits them incredibly hard, some like myself lose themselves. So let me reassure you even a brief encounter as long as there was any genuine connection formed then he too will be thinking about you especially on anniversaries/with any associated memories and I’m sure he will be missing you but this doesn’t mean he wants to be with you. For that to happen a person has to make the effort to change and convey this through action. This applies to both genders.2) How to move on?
I will not dictate to you what you should and shouldn’t do. That is your choice and decision to make, if you want to go back into that relationship you will make that choice and if your self worth is low you most likely will despite knowing the relationship was unfulfilling and unhealthy. The outcome will be the same.
I hit rock bottom unfortunately to see the light. There will come a point when you grow weary, you’ll catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror and question what you have become, why you let someome who doesn’t even value and love you in the same way because if they did then all this pain would not exist. You gave so much control over your mind to this person, that you lost yourself and spiralled. And finally surrender for your own good. If you have good self esteem and love for your sanity. It will come much quicker. In the end I walked away for good . If you are determined to walk away then here are some tips:
Firstly you need to learn to separate the emotions. Think logically. Sex is a drug, it deceives and fools people, both men and women, so I would advise against using that as a reason to return, I say this as a man with strong desires, the short term thrill of the physical connection will be great but when your partner has not changed and still unable to fulfill those same needs which caused the issues to begin with then you’ll find yourself in that toxic cycle once again as your needs seep out remaining unfulfilled. It is not worth putting yourself in that situation for the short buzz of the physical connection you once shared.
One chance and walk away for good. This is my number one rule now, if your partner has been given this and doesn’t grow then that should be a warning sign informing you this person is actually selfish and can not handle the responsibilities of a relationship. If you chose to have a relationship, then you must take the needs of your partner into consideration. So your choices consequently need to change and adapt, an example would be when deciding on a significant purchase, you look at how this decision will impact your significant other, your future together etc. If your partner isn’t doing this and flaky, then this behaviour is engrained and very hard to change.
I have learned if a relationship doesn’t progress after the initial honeymoon phase ofĀ 6-12 months, it is probably because someone isn’t willing or able to be vulnerable emotionally to take the big leap and risk to opening up and moving into deeper territory. They don’t see you as the one because if they did trust me they would fight for it.
When I read your questions I knew right away you were asking the wrong questions. To really move on, the focus shifts onto yourself. What do I deserve? You should no longer be focusing on him, what he may be doing, thinking etc. You need to love yourself. If you don’t you will be your own downfall.
I suffered a mental breakdown, an alcoholic and gambling addiction and without a strong support network and therapy would have most likely not be around to tell this story.
So don’t spend your day drinking yourself into oblivion for a man who wouldn’t do the same for you š Your body and mind are precious, one day the right man will appreciate and love you entirety. That is someone worth dedicating to.
Have a glass of wine or chug a beer today. But do not use it as a crutch. Celebrate the years you have chosen to not waste and ahead of you that you have to find someone who loves you completely.
One of the truest signs of self-love is when you love yourself enough to walk away for good from things that are not healthy for you. If their energy is not aligned with yours, if they are not giving you the love that you need, then it’s time to walk away. You will find yourself again. I assure you whether you remain single or enter a new relationship, you’ll be a much better and stronger person for having overcome this rather than trying to retrieve it.
Tim
TimParticipant@Lazysnorlax, I will not lie, a few years down the line she did come back. However, I had grown, done the work on myself to realise it was not a healthy relationship. I chose then to walk away.Ā Ā I’m in a much healthier relationship now. So do not give up, take time, and realise what you deserve. Reading you didn’t want to conjure hate for her is a testament to how much you love her. She lost out, not you. Go live and find someone who will love you in the same way.
Tim
TimParticipantHi Melissa,
You seem fairly young? How old are you? Forgive me for being presumptuous as you haven’t given much detail so I will fill in some blanks for now.
It reads as if your friend realised through your actions/words you were going to/did reject him? So he has cut contact or withdrawn? Do not take this personally, it requires a lot of courage to put your feelings out there and then further strength to withdraw from the person you want, I’m sure he would have wanted to remain friends, but remaining friends with unreciprocated feelings is not easy nor healthy. So your friend is being mature, he is not investing in a low-quality friendship because when feelings become involved in friendships, the dynamic changes.
Life experience you asked for, but without knowing your age I will not overburden you with my background. What I shall say is, relationships will always require both people to be vulnerable to move forward. Vulnerable in a way that you would normally avoid after being hurt in the past. This means willing to take a leap and accepting rejection as an outcome.
Putting up walls is normal, the great thing is you seem to recognise you were acting out of FEAR. Being with someone new is unknown and uncertain can quite honestly raise anxious feelings for anyone, more so for people who have been hurt before. You can’t live life in fear if you want to experience love, so if you see something special in him, I’d say it is your turn to be brave.
How? Reach out and have a simple conversation, communicate. That is all it takes, don’t overcomplicate things by getting inside your head. If he has had his feelings rejected by you, be willing to see how things are playing out from his perspective, and be willing to adjust and empathise with them when you can. One conversation can lead to a new journey, do not let the fear of rejection stop you from looking back with regret at not having given it a chance. If he doesn’t want to continue and cuts you off then that is ok, chalk it up to another experience and you will have learned he was not the one for you,Ā but you’ll never have lost the opportunity as you tried.
Right now you can sit and contemplate but nothing will ever get off the ground in that manner, so be open and willing to communicate.
Any other help, welcome to ask.
Tim
TimParticipantThank you Anita, I shall try to continue.
TimParticipantThank you Anita. I appreciate your insight and help. I hope I can return the favour to others on this forum too.
TimParticipantHi Lazysnorlax,
I’ve been in a very similar situation where my ex wanted to focus on her own goals and thought the relationship restricted her. We separated but I eventually got her back. However the same reasons and patterns repeated themselves. I treated this woman with the utmost respect, catered to all her needs and was flexible. Yet she never once said I love you or stopped to think, how she could meet my needs. A very selfish way to be in a relationship if all you do is take and not have any responsibility or regard for your partners needs. This meant despite my love for her, her and I were never the right fit. I made some foolish mistakes by leaving my job, putting a deposit down etc. So please so not lose yourself or sink yourself because it is so easy to spiral out of control when you have a person on a pedestal. As Victor suggested move on, work on yourself and don’t hold out hope for someone who couldn’t provide you with what you needed when the time came and instead chose to walk away. It comes from loving yourself first.
Tim
June 27, 2020 at 10:36 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #359756TimParticipantHi Sammy,
You are welcome to pick my brain. I would be happy to help someone avoid my mistakes or even just offer a Male perspective to overcome the fallout. What can I help you with?
Tim
TimParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for the confidence boost. Anxiety always makes you see the negative perspective of any situation. As you pointed out, I have a woman who is definitely more invested than my ex ever was. She is eager to meet my friends too and is making effort and compromises thus I shouldn’t self sabotage because I’m used to a certain pattern of behaviour. Slow and steady wins the race.
TimParticipantHi @Harli,
Being a man, I agree with Tony. It appears he is not as invested as you are. You most definitely deserve better, if he loved you then there would be an equal investment and you’d be met in the middle, this is true of any relationship. The thing about LDR is a lot of men require the physical presence of their significant other. If they are not seeing you regularly then the relationship can head downhill pretty rapidly. Both individuals need to be 100% in and work a tad harder with LDR. Do not waste your time and energy if after such a long time your needs are still not being met, chances are you’ve both just become accustomed to the status quo. To move relationships forward it requires energy, effort, and growth from both.
Even if you love him, believe me when I say the unfulfillment will keep rising and eventually cause a toxic dynamic or resentment. You deserve to be loved in the way you want, go find that instead of settling. By setting a significant other free if they actually love you, they will not be able to be without you and within few months will fight to meet you in the middle. I wouldn’t hold out hope. Instead go focus on yourself, like Tony said find someone closer and enjoy having a person who meets your needs too.
Tim
TimParticipantHi @Brandy,
Yes, we had a good discussion, again communication in a relationship is key and it turns out she decided to introduce her friends, so I could eventually do the same in return because she is excited as me to progress forward. I pointed out I was very anxious and would appreciate an open gathering where I could bring a few chums and we can do a joint garden party and she agreed. So all is well, however, still anxious as I do want to impress – this is normal and hopefully with my friends alongside me. I’ll leave a good first impression!
@Anita – I am cautious now as I do not want to repeat the same mistakes as my first serious relationship. My ex used to proclaim I was pressurising her when I used to question why she was not willing to move forward, this “pressure” I do not want to unknowingly apply to my new girlfriend. However, the discussion with my current girlfriend highlighted the importance of communication for a healthy relationship, we discussed it maturely and came to a fair compromise, which is not something I would ever have been able to achieve with my ex. I always ended up sacrificing to meet her needs. We all also have the propensity to overthink events, which can make us anxious, so enjoying the moment and regularly reminding ourselves that our minds can trick you is key.TimParticipantHi Anita,
I perhaps ought to reframe it, I should feel the excitement of meeting her new friends, after all this is a move in a positive direction. It is the pesky self-doubt creeping back in because I haven’t been in a serious relationship since my last heartbreak and I really would like this to go well. I just needed a little reassurance from a neutral. Talk it out, I shall. I’ll keep you posted. Thank you.
June 23, 2020 at 5:43 pm in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #359373TimParticipantHi there all,
WOW, I read this and felt a flashback of my own life. I always thought women got over things much more quickly, told each other they can do better, and just moved on so I’m glad it is not just men who seem to suffer this extremely too. Not that I want anyone to suffer as I did.
I read the first and last page so don’t know the ins and outs but @shelbyville but I had a very similar scenario, my very first girlfriend I too believed was the one, the best, and had an aura about her. However, after the initial honeymoon period wore off she split up with me even though I had fallen in love she said at the time she wanted to focus on her career, she didn’t want to worry about the responsibility and didn’t realise a relationship would be so much work. I treated her like a queen, I was crushed. I tried to offer her support and understanding to help achieve her goals but clearly it was not enough.
I hit rock bottom because it was the first time I had ever fallen in love. I didn’t know what I was feeling because I had never experienced pain like it, my emotions were overwhelming. I went off the rails after our initial split.
I didn’t understand what was happening to me. The emotions overwhelmed me to the point I had a mental breakdown. My family was devastated, nothing was helping, they then out of desperation I guess dangled the carrot, convinced me to see a therapist and said I would then be able to woo her back. I was determined and I did. We got back together but after another year we had not moved forward in our relationship in any significant way, my I love you was not returned, she was not putting forth the same effort and reluctant to set concrete plans with me but she enjoyed my company and the way I spoiled her. I left my job which I loved to support her career just so we could be closer, I started saving for our forever home and put down a deposit on a home for us. I did everything I could but it still was not enough, she ended it again. I was depleted and destroyed.
I again spiralled out of control all because I had loved a woman who clearly didn’t love me but when you are in it you are so blind, I almost ruined my entire life for someone else. My good network pulled me out with some further therapy. I pulled myself together and began to focus on myself and my own goals. In that space, she never once wanted to get back together but I had still not learned my lesson, I pined after her and even got spurned another 2 times. Finally, some common sense and dignity kicked in.
About 2 years post final break up, lo and behold my ex started reaching out, she had done everything in her career and was feeling directionless, she realised the grass isn’t greener on the other side. She now probably because the clock was ticking, her friends had all settled, she thought I would make a good enough partner and “consistent Mr. nice guy” was going to be there waiting to pick it back up.
But guess what? I had gone away and grown up, I was no longer a fool. Four rejections later I was not going to set myself up for the inevitable fifth which may happen midway into married life when she finds me not to be enough again. She never gave me 100% back then, then why would a piece of paper change that? I no longer wanted to settle for a relationship where I would have the constant thought, she could leave when bored or things got tough as she always walked away from the responsibilities of being in a relationship. Relationships where there is solid commitment i.e. marriage/civil ceremony/ serious cohabitation/children and problems arise should be worked on . However, if there is a relationship where a partner is not committing beforehand then after giving it one chance, walk away, run even for your own sanity. I have one word: TOXIC! Continue at your own peril because it will leave you as a shell of your former self.
With hindsight I realised she cared deeply but never loved me to begin with as she was too selfish, she never said it and that was the first red flag. I had her on such a pedestal because of my own fears and issues that I made excuses for her not telling me she loved me, I made allowances when she let me down when I sacrificed a lot. We just were not suitable partners because we couldn’t meet each other’s needs. I loved hard as it was my first ever love, I will always love her but that pain of not being enough when I gave her my everything, planned our future and had it ripped away, taught me I don’t want that type of love. The subsequent consequences it had on my life whilst she just carried on really helped to take her off that pedestal and tend to myself. I nearly destroyed me.
I, unfortunately, was so wounded by this relationship I did start to despise myself for being “nice, soft, etc” I wondered what went wrong when I gave my heart and love. I despised myself thus turned into a manipulative piece of shit who was just chasing an emotional bandaid, that stereotypical bad boy that most women long for but after I went too far and hurt others I realised I had become part of a vicious cycle of perpetuating toxic relationships. I found from therapy and introspection, I didnāt like that person at all. I have returned to being the nice guy I always was at heart, my authentic self, and of course I suffered for it, I won’t lie. I still have been dumped, I endured, however, because I knew if I lost the ability to open up/let a woman in, I would never have that level of closeness that I very much wanted beyond the sex, the real companionship I desired.
Now I’m in a very stable relationship. It isn’t the extreme highs and lows and thrill or rush you get in an on/off-again relationship from the never-ending drama. It is a feeling of stability, maturity, I am being me and I feel serenity for being accepted as me. It may work out, it may not but I now accept that.
So @shelbyville or anyone else reading in similar circumstances despite gender, it all boils down to the same question, your biggest barrier is; can you love yourself? All those things you are hating within yourself is actually who you are. If you have flaws change them, but do not diminish your good traits if one person rejected you. Or else you will continue to chase relationships with people who do not accept you wholly for whatever reason, you like I, took the rejection so much harder and couldn’t recover/let go because subconsciously you are trying to validate yourself still through that person . Pursuing emotional validation is pretty much the life choice equivalent of opting for a life of torture, you will remain as you are unless you accept the outcome and learn to be ok with yourself, The deeper reasons why you need validation lays with your parents often you sought approval but never received it, have discussions with them too.
THE CURE: Time heals you, but to stop the same mistake you need to do the work and do the opposite of chasing emotional validation allowing yourself to be vulnerable in a way that you would normally avoid after a failure. It is as simple as that. This means accepting rejection. Not being afraid to be authentic expressing your interests, values, boundaries, opinions, and so on. Not hide or alter to avoid being rejected and the āconfirmationā that comes alongside it. It is when someone accepts you like that you should consider giving your heart to that person.
I became a better man. I hope this helps you or anyone finding themselves in such a spiral of hell. Took a lot to get here but it was needed to make me stronger. It can also be avoided by not being blinded by our love and seeing things objectively. If you can not see it ask your closest ones for their true opinion and they will tell you the hard truths. Embrace these truths and change your attitude. Do not set yourself up for a life of loneliness, misery chasing the approval of the person who clearly did not choose you. You are more than that until you accept you and love thyself you will remain unhappy.
Tim
TimParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for your feedback, I will speak to her. I’m just nervous about applying undue pressure on her too. I want to get this right as it is a big step and as I said previously I have been out the game for a while. Just wanted some opinions, but as you said communication is key.
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