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If a Buddhist guru isn’t able to forgive you, then either he is not living according to his own beliefs or you have misunderstood him. It makes no sense that he would be so harsh. Emotional blackmail should not be part of any spiritual teachings.
Reality is probably not as complex as it seems to you. You are stuck in your mind in a situation that seems impossible, but if you knew all the sides of the story, you’d realise that the reality is not what it seems. Unfortunately, you are trying to solve a riddle that you’ve created for yourself and you’ve constructed it so that it’s insolvable as it is right now. You are trying to choose between A and B and both options seem impossible, but what you don’t see is that A and B are probably not what you think that they are.
The RuminantParticipantHello David,
I’m sorry you’re going through such pain. I do know how horrible it can feel.
You say that you’ve done some self improvement after the first heartbreak, but what about some actual self nurturing? Instead of approaching the situation from an intellectual point of view, trying to comprehend the pain and the anxiety, why not just full on love yourself? Give yourself care and nurture yourself like someone who really needs to feel loved.
What struck me from your writing was that with the first girl, you saw her as someone who you loved, but denied it from yourself and ended it all in a dramatic fashion. With the second girl, she was the one who filled you with love and care, and you started to love that, even though there wasn’t romantic chemistry there at first. Now she’s not there to care for you, so you’re empty again.
You don’t have to outsource love and care, and as a result be addicted and dependent on those people. You can love yourself, care for yourself, nurture yourself and allow yourself to feel a range of emotions. There also doesn’t have to be some kind of on/off switch with allowing people to get close to you or allowing yourself to feel something for others. It is not reasonable to expect another person to provide for your emotional needs for the rest of your life 24/7. Right now it looks as if you’ve decided that it’s all or nothing. It is understandable in the case that you don’t do any self care. We all need to feel loved and accepted, and it has to come from somewhere. It just doesn’t have to all come from other people. They can love you in addition to the love that you give yourself, and then it’s going to feel like an abundance of love!
There are different meditation techniques that you can use to allow yourself to feel more loved, or simply do things like walk in nature and open up your senses and take it all in, soothing your soul.
You don’t have to fight the pain that you are feeling now. It’ll go away naturally when you start receiving again what you need…from yourself. Right now it is like you are denying yourself nourishment and trying to get rid of the hunger pangs by denying yourself food and torturing yourself over the fact that you allowed yourself to eat a while ago. Does that make sense?
The RuminantParticipantHello Alyce,
It sounds as if you didn’t really have a chance to grow up, before you already started taking on a lot of responsibility over other people. I remember reading this one psychology book with all the phases of growing up and that there is kind of a requirement to go through all of the phases sooner or later. If you postpone them for some reason, they will still be there, waiting for you when you’re older.
I’ve seen it in myself and in other people how difficult it gets over time, when more responsibilities start to pile up, but the capacity to handle them hasn’t grown. All the while the inner child is asking “What about me? What about my needs?” Then you feel bad about thinking like that and feel like you need to give more, but you can’t.
Do take your own time, but instead of trying to escape the reality or ruminating over the thoughts that you’d be bad (you’re not), take time to nurture that inner child. Meditate, get in touch with nature, draw or paint, give yourself the nurturing, attention and love that you need. When you get your needs met, you’ll find that you have so much more energy to be there for others as well. What now feels like a chore can start to feel like a blessing.
You also really have to stop telling yourself that you are bad, because that just takes up even more energy and causes even more emotional outbursts. If you can’t say anything nice to yourself, don’t say anything. Just nurture yourself and love yourself unconditionally.
The RuminantParticipantHello Baby Beans,
I did have a reaction to the plane crash, but mine was a bit different from yours. It felt so random that I just thought “what’s the point of being afraid?” We can never be perfectly safe and there is a catharsis in understanding that.
Why would you go to YouTube to watch something that is put there to create terror and despair in people? I personally stay clear of anything that I know would be too much for me to take or would have a debilitating effect on me. It sounds like you feel a bit debilitated at the moment. Like Jasmine said, that sort of state isn’t helpful, so don’t seek it by deliberately digesting things that make you feel like that.
The world isn’t just about suffering. You’re having a disproportionate outlook on what is happening around you. Certain events, like mistreatment of children and animals, cause global outrage. You can look at it from the perspective that the world is a horrible place because such things happen, or you can see that most people are just as upset as you are over such events. People around the world want peace and serenity, just like you.
There is another aspect to it. The people who commit horrible acts are still only human. I never forget watching a Louis Theroux documentary about the crime and violence in South Africa, where he interviewed a man who had murdered a lot of people and had little regard for human life. It became clear to me that he had little regard for himself as well. He lived in the belief that he was worth nothing and how could we expect a person like that to value human life? He felt no value in himself, so how could he see value in others? The opposite of that, to feel valued, loved, appreciated and respected, makes a person to behave in courteous ways also towards others. They value others, because they feel valued. We project how we feel onto the world around us and onto other people.
So what might be the solution to a situation where someone does bad things? Do we isolate them and continue to treat them as scum, or do we offer compassion, forgiveness and the possibility for life to win?
I sometimes see our interaction with the world as how we influence and tend to our world. If we send out anger, then the world is yet again more angry place to be. If we send out love, the world is yet again a little more lovely place to be. If a bad thing happens, are you going to add to the misery or do you try to counter it by reacting in a more compassionate way? I’m not saying that you’re not allowed to feel anger or hurt or pain or sorrow. But we need to be skilful about how we treat that situation and how much do we let our actions be guided by those feelings. Responding to anger with anger isn’t going to make the anger go away.
You can’t change the whole world by yourself, and you shouldn’t be able to do that. We all have our individual journeys that we have to go through, and sometimes there has to be some misery as well so that we can learn how to love. To take away those experiences would be to deny the learning experience.
Just, don’t feed yourself with too much misery. It becomes too difficult to deal with it all and you have to be reasonable and understand your own limits. Take baby steps with compassion towards yourself and towards other people and animals and life in general. Learn how to heal yourself first, and when you feel strong and capable, then take on the challenges of others. It will all be OK in the end.
The RuminantParticipantOh, I understood that you weren’t teaching children (as they wouldn’t have a choice to not attend your class), but wasn’t sure what sort of students these were. And to be fair, even adults can behave in incredibly childish ways. There’s also the ego thing that comes up with adult students.
I’ve been a technical trainer and in general am constantly faced with situations where I need to explain something complex and technical to another person. There is indeed a tricky balance to be found. If you oversimplify, they will be hurt that you’d think that they weren’t clever enough to understand the topic. If you get too technical, you might inadvertently make them feel stupid. Different people react in different ways when they feel stupid. What we want, of course, is for them to say that they don’t understand and would like you to lower your level a bit so that they can catch up. Unfortunately that’s not really how it usually goes. Some will be quiet and pretend that they understand, even though they don’t. Some will get upset and defensive, even a bit aggressive. I don’t take it personally anymore though it’s never fun when someone gets upset instead of explaining to me that they are confused.
When I was still a technical trainer in the telecom field, my training sessions weren’t cheap. I didn’t personally get all the money, but in any case, the companies paid a lot of money for my services. I didn’t always perform in a way I wish I had, but what can you do? You can’t take it back, you can’t change history, and sometimes there really were some very difficult students. One man tried to have sex with me and when I refused, he made sure that my course for the next day was as difficult as possible. It was stupid.
In general, it would be so good for your anxiety to acknowledge that how people treat you often does not have that much to do with you. Sometimes you just trigger something in another person and they start to act out their own fears and anxieties. It’s normal.
You don’t have to take drugs to cure it. Compassion helps. Now that you are abroad, seek some kind souls to spend time with, who can alleviate your anxiety. Don’t just think about it and isolate yourself. It’ll blow out of proportion and you stop seeing the situation from a neutral and realistic perspective.
- This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by The Ruminant.
The RuminantParticipantOh, I can’t edit my post anymore, but I wanted to add that we all feel fear and anxiety and we all are unique. The trick is not to allow that fear to take over you and allow you to make your decisions and actions for you, and we shouldn’t try to be something that we are not in order to win the approval of others. Being genuine is always more appealing than being fake, and pushing forward regardless of a bit of fear has always won the hearts of others 🙂 That is appealing and influential.
The RuminantParticipantHello Steve-O!
I see Jasmine already asked what I was going to 🙂 Are you seeking validation from the students? If so, then you’d set yourself up for a world of pain and suffering. They have a life of their own, and how they behave and what they decide to do is a reflection of their life and who they are, not who you are.
Do not make assumptions. Ask! Get feedback on the material, but in a way that you’re not asking for validation for yourself as a teacher. Who you are as a person, who you are as a teacher, what one particular training material is like and what the students are like are all separate things. What happens in the classroom is not personal.
When you are in front of a classroom, you are a leader, and you need some confidence to be an effective leader. All of that can be learned. Leaders make mistakes, and then they communicate and evaluate what needs to be done. Notice that I did not say that they directly apply the feedback to their work. Sometimes people complain for a reason and sometimes they complain for no good reason. We are inherently lazy, pleasure seeking creatures, and being challenged, whilst good for us, can make us grumpy. Of course being expected to do something that is completely out of our league will make us lethargic. Still, people will always gravitate towards a leader to show them the way, but they will test to see who’s tough enough to follow.
And believe me, all teachers have been tested. I went to a school where all the teacher students trained and so we had multiple different young teachers to teach us over a period of few weeks at a time. Some of them we cracked and they started to cry. Some of them we liked a lot. We were just kids and kids can sense fear and weakness and a genuine spirit. We weren’t there to validate their sense of worthiness. We were there because we had to be there. Whilst that was about teaching children, it’s not that different up until you are giving a course to people who have purposefully sought to be there.
You are still learning to be a teacher and you are still learning to be a leader. Take in what you learn and look at it from a neutral point of view and don’t take it personally. Teaching and leadership are skills that require learning and refinement and skilful flexibility. You need to be a bit tough, but caring. Kind of like a parent.
So, suck it up, forget the Peru and get back in the classroom. Also, consider reading Miguel Ruiz’s The Four Agreements for some understanding on making assumptions and seeking validation.
The RuminantParticipantThank you, Matt! That actually sounds really interesting. Sorry, Lurker, for possibly slightly derailing your thread 🙂 I’m just honestly so very interested in the topic.
Like I said, I don’t see any problems combining Buddhism and entrepreneurship (though I’m admittedly not a Buddhist, so I’m probably not the right person to make a comment like that), and I would like to see more of those practices put into use in the business world. Nothing wrong with making a profit, but maximising profits at the cost of the well-being of the workers, as an example, is so very shortsighted and quite horrible. Especially larger businesses have a huge impact on people’s lives and the society in general, so there is so much potential there to make a positive change.
As for your point about the intention, Lurker, I agree. Anything can be done with good intentions or not so good intentions.
The RuminantParticipant“Honestly, the corporate world is very cut throat because there are many people in it who have lost a sense of direction and humanity.
They lose balance and are overly focused on ego rather than positive products or services that impact society in positive life changing ways.”
This is something I’ve often wondered about. There are people in this world who have billions in their bank accounts, just lying there. I can’t quite grasp what would make someone want to hoard money like that. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be allowed to. I’m saying that I don’t understand the reasoning behind it. All I can think of is some kind of twist in the basic security, and a subsequent obsession with having more money. If I had that much money, there are so many things I would want to invest in and see what comes out of it.
The business practices mentioned seem to be mostly spawning from fear, which is why one should ask, are they actually that good? I am sure that there are a lot of practices that are like that for an actual reason, which might not be apparent right away, but I’m also sure that there are a lot of things that people do just because it has always been done that way.
So I guess another advice that could be given is that if you want to be different from others, don’t be guided by fear 🙂
There are already so many new kind of possibilities to make a living or start a business, that I’m not sure if the practices mentioned are that modern day anymore, or are already going out of style. You don’t even have to go to a bank to get a loan to start a business. You could get crowdsourcing for your idea. You don’t have to rely on traditional media to get people to notice you and invest a ton of money in marketing. I’m not saying that it’s super easy to get noticed using new media with no budget, but it is possible to be noticed if you make an effort. Point is, you don’t have to go along with the establishment if you want to achieve something in the business world.
Also, being genuine seems to catch people’s attention. We are so used to the marketing jargon, that if anyone comes across as genuine, we pay attention. People want real experiences, which is why it’s ironic that we drown ourselves in plastic crap and meaningless entertainment. It can’t last forever like this.
But I’m starting to digress from the topic 🙂 Except, I’ll still want to share an article I have been reading now. I had to check if Steve Jobs really was a Buddhist, and came across this piece of writing. I thought it was quite interesting, not from the perspective of what kind of person Steve Jobs really was, but from the perspective of approaching work and product design with certain simplicity and honesty. To pay attention to even the parts of your work that can’t be seen by others. I’m not terribly impressed by the quality of Apple products, but that’s unimportant. The idea is what really stuck with me and it’s something I would love to practice myself: to approach your work (paid or unpaid) as a craft, and make it something beautiful, even if it’s not all perceived by the eye or there is no direct gain in doing so. There is something about work that has been done with love and care that is hard to describe, but you know it’s valuable.
Anyway, here’s the article: http://blogs.plos.org/neurotribes/2011/10/28/what-kind-of-buddhist-was-steve-jobs-really/
The RuminantParticipantI would actually think that someone with a Buddhist streak would be better as an entrepreneur than someone who thought that you’d have to be harder, better, faster, stronger 24/7. Buddhism respects reality and letting go. A lot of the so called business minded people of today have detached themselves from reality and go for the image instead of actual content. They also stress themselves out by trying to be something that they’re not. There are limits to growth and capabilities.
Why would you have to force yourself to be something different, when you could just naturally do what you’re good at and allow people to enjoy your knowledge and labor? You don’t have to be the absolute best and biggest in your own niche to be comfortable and bring in enough money to support a family. Regardless of whether you work directly with consumers or do B2B, you are still doing business with people, and I think that Buddhism would give you some wonderful people skills. As well as stress management skills! People will come to you and praise about you, if you leave them feeling good. A great product will succeed if people like it. If they don’t like it, then you’ll need to find out why and improve on it. That’s just respecting the reality and not going against it.
We all have to make a living one way or another. That’s not the same as obsessing over making more money than someone else.
Steve Jobs was a practicing Zen Buddhist and he did alright in the business world 🙂 Apparently Russell Simmons isn’t a Buddhist, but a yoga practitioner, but I think he has also this interesting vibe to him, and he’s a pretty successful entrepreneur.
I’m not an expert, but I would think that the sweet spot is in accepting reality and not trying to create a false image of one’s own abilities, as well as not obsess over being better (or worse). You don’t have to be the best to be a success in business, and you don’t have to be the richest person to support your family. Going with the flow might bring you something that the modern business practices you speak of might never be able to do. In fact I have this feeling that things are going to change in the future, because we can’t continue the way we are at the moment. But time will tell 🙂
The RuminantParticipantWhy be ashamed of something that is unconscious? We all do the best that we can with what we’ve got. Sometimes we are lacking tools, sometimes just too afraid or sometimes really just lack the understanding that something is happening.
Accepting past mistakes does require humility, but there is no reason to take on shame.
The RuminantParticipantRewa, somehow I don’t think that sharing with you would make any difference. You don’t actually listen when spoken to, but constantly reach out for someone to talk to you. It’s a pretty difficult situation.
You have been stuck in a thought pattern for months, and do not react to any suggestions that your thought pattern might be wrong or any suggestions of how to get out of it.
I don’t know what would need to happen that you would accept that you need to seek help locally and learn how to let go of the past and accept that you are loved, regardless of what you do.
Jasmine, that was a bit harsh and uncalled for.
The RuminantParticipantCould this be a case of psychosis? Any doctors here?
- This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by The Ruminant.
The RuminantParticipantInky is spot on! Find local people who have gone through similar things! People here can only guess and do their best at trying to understand, but if none of that resonates with you, then there is not much that can be done in this type of medium.
Besides, having local people who can understand you would help with your feelings of loneliness in ways that people in the Internet never can.
The RuminantParticipantOK, I read it. I also read the responses from others. As well as the responses given to you after that throughout different threads.
What is it that you want? You ask for help, people try to offer advice, but you deflect it all and remain in your stance that you are bad no matter what you do. You welcome help, but don’t actually do anything about it. Why?
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