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The RuminantParticipant
That is a good point, Chad! As always ๐
Do you have insight on why a person would be plagued by some kind of depressive or hindering thoughts in consciousness, when they lack those without the conscious thoughts?
I actually started to feel a bit down last night and I have no idea why. These days I usually exist in a rather effortless way…like the theme is “everything is OK and I’m OK”. And now all of a sudden that switched to something else. I partly blame too much involvement with social media and access to information that is depressive, yet there’s nothing you can do about it. I have been avoiding those things, but have recently been pulled back in. I might need to step back again to see if that’s something that has a negative effect.
The RuminantParticipantTo answer the question “what is love?” I like to refer to the Greek definition of love, and it’s not the same word for all kinds of love: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love
I think it helps in distinguishing the different things that we call love and not confuse them with each other. I think that the more mundane forms of love like romantic love and the love of your family and friends are somewhat selfish. Unconditional love is selfless. You can feel all of them, and all of them have their place, but they are different. I think that love can also become more mature as the person matures. This doesn’t have to do anything with actual age, but just being an emotionally mature person.
Which reminds me of a funny thing I saw in Pinterest: “Dear people who think Romeo and Juliet is a romantic love story: It was a relationship that lasted three days between a 13 yr old and a 17 yr old, and resulted in 6 deaths.” To be fair, for some people that would be the definition of love: something that is explosive and dramatic. It’s not really love unless someone gets hurt. Nothing wrong with that, I guess, except if they think that it’s the only possible way to love someone and end up equating love with hurt. But I think I’m digressing again… I tend to do that ๐
The RuminantParticipantI know this may not be a welcome thought, but as someone with an ample chest: it’s not going to magically make everything better, guarantee a happy sex life or give lots of nice attention from fellow humans. We are so consumed with the thoughts of something (anything) in us being too big or too little that we completely forget the positive aspects of having exactly that sized body part. There is someone out there thinking the exact opposite, how they would do anything to have what you have. Yet we keep staring at the grass on the other side of the fence.
As an example, fashion is basically designed for women with smaller chests. Something that looks really beautiful and delicate on a model will look absolutely ridiculous on a more voluptuous person. Also, large boobs can be seen as an invitation to treat you as merely an object, not a fellow human being with thoughts and feelings. Certain things just trigger emotions in others and it’s usually not very pretty. Even those who lust after you can treat you like garbage and think that it’s OK because you possess something they desire.
There is always a dark side to something that from far seems like something shiny and great.
The RuminantParticipantThat’s nice. I hope you can have a serious and calm discussion about it and you get to express what is important to you and what kind of things make you feel inadequate and influences your sex drive. Men have insecurities as well, so he should be able to understand what it feels like if someone takes that very insecurity and pokes at it.
I hope you can both take something from this experience that will help you grow and love more!
The RuminantParticipantSandy,
Perhaps you could see the different shades in between total despair and completely moving on? You accumulate new experiences all the time and you can’t “unexperience” them. A painful event in your life will probably still feel painful in the future as well. The trick is to learn how to deal with the pain, not to make it go away completely.
What also came to mind when reading your post was that since we do accumulate the experiences and the feelings and thoughts along with them, what happens to them? What if something happens that we’re simply not able to cope with at the time and we kind of push it aside, somewhere at the back of our minds. We know we need to deal with it at some point, but just can’t at that moment. Then more stuff comes in… It would be like filling a room with things and instead of dealing with them, you’ll toss them at the back of the room and soon you have a room filled with clutter and you still have to live in that room. You can’t wish all the stuff away, so you have to patiently deal with it all, and organize it. Taking one piece at a time and looking at it and acknowledging it and then placing it neatly where it belongs.
A painful breakup was what caused me to start dealing with all of my past issues. This was 2…or is it already 3 years ago. It is a bittersweet thing for me, because I am so grateful for the events and the shattering, because it forced me to start a healing process for all the other stuff as well, which I had not dealt with before. Yet, it still makes me cry to think about the breakup. In my mind’s room, that particular thing is both cherished and a source of sadness, but it is still part of me. Sometimes I also think of it as a scar. A scar that proves what I’ve been through. I can never have a body without the scars again, but there is much beauty in the scars as well.
The RuminantParticipantDear Hanachi,
You can’t end painful emotions once and for all, but you can learn how to cope with them. It is even painful to read of your suffering, but to deny the pain and look the other way would not help.
I have seen it many times that parents have put unreasonable expectations on their children, all the while making sure that the children wouldn’t have a chance to reach the success they’re expecting. I know this family. They’re very wealthy and the father has always been rather tyrannical. He has had his own issues, so he tries to control everything. The irony is that while being controlling and telling everyone how they are stupid, he has now created a situation where his children don’t have a lot of confidence in doing anything and they are the ones who will inherit his businesses. You can’t keep telling someone that they aren’t able to do something properly and then expect them to do it properly. It makes no sense at all.
You have a choice to believe what they are saying or to choose to believe something else. Try to look at the situation objectively for a moment and with compassion towards yourself and your parents. Mentally step back and observe. Observe the pain and the fear that has been caused. It is a tragedy and very sad that such things would happen. Feel compassion towards yourself and acknowledge that you are, in fact, loved. Allow yourself to heal from the wounds. That will not happen overnight, but is a slow process. In the meanwhile, try to protect yourself from further attacks. You could imagine yourself in a protective cocoon that other people’s thoughts and feelings aren’t allowed to enter. It’s your space where you are safe to be who you are. Take care of yourself in that space.
In another thread I just recommended the book The Four Agreements by Miguel รngel Ruiz to a person who felt resentment towards her parents. I don’t know why it keeps popping into my mind, but it feels like a good recommendation in this case as well. What your parents are saying to you have more to do with them than with you. Try to detach from their words and see them as a reflection of their own problems. You don’t have to take on their problems.
Additionally, you do need to sleep and eat. Otherwise, you’ll not have a very good grasp over yourself and your thoughts. Treat yourself with kindness so that you can heal and deal with the situation.
The RuminantParticipant@Chad, I think I understand what you’re saying, except for the “guard what is said”. What does that mean? Sorry, English isn’t my first language, so I may be missing some incredibly simple point ๐
I’ve been thinking about this, because it kind of hits close to home because of the type of person I am. I also have an ex to whom I’m close to and he’s pretty much the only one who knows me inside and out. I could very well imagine this being an issue to someone in a future relationship. I’m thinking that the way it was presented to me was most important. To outright tell me that I’m not allowed will not work. To tell me that he’ll leave me if I don’t will not work, nor does any other type of manipulation. But if my partner told me that he was scared and felt really uncomfortable every time I talked to my ex, I would be much more sympathetic. I don’t wish to see my loved one in pain, so I would probably want to do something to alleviate that pain.
The RuminantParticipantI understand irrational fears and how they can be too difficult to overcome. I don’t like the idea of saying “if you care for me, you will change”. That’s emotional blackmail. However, obviously they will have to come to a compromise and there’s the possibility of resentment building up on both sides.
Communicating in a calm manner is definitely a good idea. If you explained why you feel the way you do, it would be easier for the other party to understand. But please be honest. To say that you trust and then behave in the exact opposite manner doesn’t help. It’s OK to feel insecure, but you have to be honest about it.
The RuminantParticipantI’ll give you an example ๐
Public speaking is something the majority of the people dreads. It would be a scary situation to stand in front of a lot of people and give a speech. Even someone who’s very seasoned at public speaking can still acknowledge that it is a scary situation initially. Yet, some people deal with that fear and go ahead and do it anyway. Some become debilitated by the fear and aren’t able to do anything. The fear is stronger than the trust in one’s own abilities. In both cases, the fear doesn’t just go away. You still get nervous, even if you have confidence in your own abilities to handle the situation, but you deal with it and face the challenge.
Another case could be intimacy. It’s a very scary situation to open yourself up to another person. Yet if you have enough confidence in yourself that you will be able to bounce back if something bad happens, then you can do it anyway. It is still scary and thrilling. Some people aren’t able to get past that fear and they decide that it’s better to not open up, or even if they tried, they end up getting triggered and do or say something to push the other person away. They don’t think they’ll be strong enough to survive a possible rejection.
Those are just something I came up with on the spot, so they’re not terribly well thought out ๐
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The RuminantParticipantIsabella,
Since it makes you uncomfortable, then don’t you think that it would be uncomfortable for all of you if you went walking with them? If they are used to talking about things that are private, then it wouldn’t be that possible to do that if there was another person present who would have a problem with the friendship. They have a history and a connection, which enables them to share thoughts that they might not be able to share with other people. I can understand being jealous over such a connection, but would you really want to deny such a thing for other people?
I personally don’t understand what the problem would be, since I’m the kind of person who tends to stay friends with exes and have several male friends. I know that it’s not natural for some other people and they assume that something has to be going on. It’s just a difference in personalities. I’m also a person who’s social, but it doesn’t mean that I wish to spend time with people who clearly do not like me or think that I’m up to something. It’s not going to create a very nice atmosphere.
The RuminantParticipantHello!
I think it’s an error in perception to think that even the majority of men would prefer large breasts so much that they would prefer their girlfriend’s to be bigger than they actually are. I hate to say it, but if he claims that, then he’s projecting his own desires. Also, it was ugly behavior to take something that you are sensitive about and say something like that. I’m not sure what to say about forgetting your first times, as I’m not sure how important those things to are to people in general. Or how important it is to remember the surroundings of an event.
It would be easy to say that he’s being a jerk and you should dump him, but I’d rather ask a bit of self-awareness from you. You say that you are very aware of having small breasts. So having 34B breasts is an issue for you. That it’s not an issue for everyone, but is in an issue for you. Nothing wrong with that, we all have certain issues, but I think it’s important that you acknowledge that it is something that you think might lead to rejection. You have then chosen a man who has now taken a stab at exactly that issue.
I have noticed it in my own life and in the life of others that we all have some issue that we seem to gravitate towards and then play out. People who expect to be rejected act in ways and make choices that will eventually always lead to rejection. If you really expected a man to accept you as you are and treat you with respect, then you wouldn’t even be here asking others what you should do. You would’ve chosen a man who adored you as you are and you would know exactly how to react to someone who deliberately hurt you.
Now having said that, we only have your word and of course there’s no way of knowing if he simply is completely oblivious to his words being hurtful to you. So you definitely should express, without attacking him, that what he said was painful for you to hear. If he doesn’t care, then if I were you, I would really think long and hard why did you choose to be with him. Be honest about what are the reasons that you are falling for him. What does he give you that you want? Do you feel good and peaceful in his company in general? Do you feel like you can be yourself?
It’s not about passing judgement. We all choose differently for different reasons and we get different things out of relationships, and it’s not always love.
The RuminantParticipantYes, that’s a good point. I have actually gone through a period where it felt like I was fearless. The problem was that I also kind of lost the appetite for life. I didn’t know what the point was anymore.
So how about this:
to have confidence in one’s abilities and in self + fear = a challenge that is necessary for growth.
vs.
lack of trust in one’s abilities and self + fear = debilitation or paralysis and stunted growth
So if it’s not about the fear, but about the belief that one would not be good enough to overcome a situation? Though I don’t think life can be summed up that easily and there’s a danger in simplifying things, I still like to do such things ๐
The RuminantParticipantExactly! I understand that I procrastinate out of fear in some cases, but I’m not sure what I would be afraid of in this one. A clean space? ๐ I’m making fun of it, but it is just so interesting that even this very mundane problem that I have spawns out of something that’s not really the truth.
I do a lot of things all the time out of habit and “just because”, without really thinking about it or knowing why. When I watch certain TV shows, I like to eat in the same time, even if I’m not hungry. It makes no sense, but I am drawn to doing it. I am drawn to certain thinking patterns. Is it because I’ve done it so much that it’s become a habit? I still haven’t read Buddha’s Brain completely, but I know that one of the issues is “the more you think about something, the more you’ll strengthen that thinking pattern”.
It’s kind of frustrating to realize that underneath it all is this life of happiness with no fears and a healthy confidence in your abilities. Then in a split second that’s gone and I fully believe in the reality of this other kind of life. I feel like the answers are right there, but how do I access it? ๐ How do I bring forth the actual reality without fear and lessen the part that is responsible for survival?
The RuminantParticipantHello Archie!
Could it be that you’re intellectually mature enough and aware of yourself and your surroundings, but since real confidence comes with experience, it leads to a situation where you’re not quite that confident yet in your assessment of other people (and how to handle the situations), but you are still aware of the potential threats? You have to trust yourself to be able to really trust other people, and you’re still growing into being you. Trust takes time to develop. The more you are true to yourself, the more you trust yourself and the more confident you become. But it also requires exposure to other people and different kinds of events. So give it time and be patient.
I disagree a bit with your theory. You can have high expectations, but they should also be based on reality and you shouldn’t be terribly invested in the outcome. What is reasonable to expect also comes with experience. That said, I know that some people are naturally cynical. I’m not one of them and I’ve never really understood why anyone would be, but that doesn’t mean that it’s “wrong”. Then again, aren’t cynical people always expecting the worst to happen, so if you expect the worst and you end up getting hurt, then there might be a connection there as well ๐
Regardless, even if you do end up getting hurt, it’s not the end of the world. Our inbuilt defense mechanism might tell us that we’ll die if we are rejected by other people, but that’s not going to happen. It is painful, but there are also ways to deal with pain and move on.
The RuminantParticipantYou and I have a very different ideas about what tough love is ๐ Tough love, in my opinion, is holding up the mirror without passing judgement. Was the original post triggering to you? She’s aware of handling the situation in a bad way, so guilt tripping isn’t really needed here. Or ever, really.
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