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May 15, 2014 at 9:37 am in reply to: How to deal with people who think the world of themselves… #56328The RuminantParticipant
Hello LaReason,
It is obviously really difficult to assess your situation just based on what youâve told, but Iâll give you my thoughts on the subject.
Regardless of how you would behave, it does say quite a lot about a person whoâd call you names. Such reactions fall under their responsibility and you should try not to take it personally. Other peopleâs behavior is not your responsibility. Your behavior is your responsibility.
âAm I just meant to be here for people to step on and feel better about themselves?â
Of course not, and you know that. I understand that you feel frustrated and angry, but it would be better if you expressed the anger in a straightforward manner instead of such passive-aggressive comments.
Thereâs the possibility that youâre not actually being very confident, but just try to look like you are, which can come across in a terrible way. Assertiveness does not mean aggression, and confidence does not mean being loud, and so on. A confident person can still be quiet and kind. A confident person knows that itâs OK to be quiet and kind, and reserves the right to be such a person. Standing up for yourself does not have to be dramatic. You donât have to stand up; you can just sit and smile đ Iâm afraid that if you are scared of someone walking all over you and you attempt to stop them with that mindset, it will come across the same way as a dog barking and showing their teeth.
I personally really love Nathaniel Brandenâs books about self-esteem. Theyâre not fluffy self-help books designed to make you feel good, but very straightforward and honest descriptions of what sort of work needs to go into improving confidence and self-esteem. The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem is a classic: http://www.amazon.com/The-Six-Pillars-Self-Esteem-Definitive/dp/0553374397 As a side note, English isnât my first language, and I use âconfidenceâ and âself-esteemâ interchangeably and see them as same. I hope Iâm not confusing things too much.
Building confidence takes time, and it’s never constant. Some days you’ll feel less confident than others, or particular situations might be more challenging. Still, it would be good to be honest with yourself and with others in your relationships. Interestingly, such honesty also builds confidence over time…
The RuminantParticipantBill,
I read both of your posts regarding your dream a while ago, but wasn’t sure what to say. I still don’t, as I don’t quite see the problem you are referring to. To me, as an outsider, it looks like you are looking at yourself and your own life and seeing something that is not pleasing to you. It also seems as if you are looking at yourself through this very narrow lens. Or a stencil. A stencil of what you think a person’s life should look like, and then you see all the places where your life does not match the stencil.
I also don’t quite understand the point of view of older people expected to be expecting less. I think it’s very common in many cultures that with age comes wisdom. A 20 year old consultant is going to have a really hard time getting his thoughts heard, as opposed to a 60 year old consultant. Perhaps it’s your own view that somehow you are less valuable as you get older? Unfortunately, people will pick up on how much you value yourself and treat you accordingly.
I’m not getting the sense of what is it that you actually want. It is as if you resent practicality and favor idealism. “Saving the environment” is really very vague and impossible to define. How do you know when you’re done? How can you achieve something that isn’t an actual tangible goal? There’s nothing wrong with not being particularly interested in preserving one specific species (as an example), but those type of goals and dreams are easier to achieve. If you just want to work on saving the environment without any specific goal, then you’ll also have to accept that it is never going to be done nor will it materialize in a way that you could say “I did that”.
Sorry if I’m completely off the mark, but like I said, I’m not quite understanding what the problem is
The RuminantParticipantHello Jasmine!
I read this thread this morning and wanted to offer another point of view in addition to what others have said.
I know I am generalizing, but women do have the tendency to have less boundaries and be less individualistic in their approach to life. Itâs more about the people around you than about you. Itâs easy to get lost in other peopleâs feelings and emotions as well as take on the huge amount of pressure from living up to their expectations. Women constantly give away their power to decide what they want, and itâs so automatic that they donât even realize that they are doing it.
Getting lost these days is even easier. I know itâs a bit of a cliche to blame the media, but it is so easy to get lost in social media and in what other people appear to be and then compare it to how you feel. I even notice it in myself: the moment I start to use more social media, my focal point changes to somewhere outside of myself, and I start to exist differently. So, just be aware that the Internet can do that to you. Itâs as if your mind leaves your body and starts to live in this imaginary world.
Another thing thatâs good to acknowledge is that being human isnât pretty. We have this expectation of what the perfect life would look like and how the perfect person would look like and act like. Yet we all have an âuglyâ side. Itâs tempting to suppress that side and only accept the lovely things about us. If you keep suppressing one side of yourself and not acknowledging it, you canât be fully your authentic self. Same goes with pain. If the pain about something is coming, then itâs tempting to try to forcefully push it away, or add to the pain by being anxious about being in pain. Yet, if you would just accept that you feel pain about a certain matter, then it wouldâve just come and gone already, instead of lingering in your mind. You said yourself âit feels so good to just be heardâ. Yes, it does. It feels very good to be heard and seen.
Iâll interrupt this message to tell you a bit from my own story. I also felt lost and confused most of my life (I am 20 years older than you). I was also very much codependent. I was always very aware of myself and how I presented myself, and also very keen to be pleasing to others. I always picked up on the mood of others, and adjusted myself accordingly. I always felt like nobody saw me or understood me. The real me. I resented other people for that. Now, looking back, I can understand couple of things. One is that people can only see what you present to them. Just because I could pick up on other peopleâs moods didnât mean that they can do the same and magically see and feel what Iâm seeing and feeling. The other thing, more important one, was that I myself didnât even acknowledge everything that I was. I was more preoccupied with other people and what I looked like and what I ought to be and feel. I compared myself to others and if the comparison was favorable to me, I accepted it, and if it wasnât favorable to me, I felt shame and neglected that part of myself. In reality, I never was lost. I was right there, all the time. I had just neglected myself in favor of something I thought I was supposed to be.
Even now, if I ask myself âwho am I?â Iâm not quite sure what I would answer. But I donât feel lost. I know that if I encounter something that makes me laugh, then I know that there are things that clearly amuse me. If something bothers me and hurts my soul, I know that itâs not for me. I donât have to have a list of attributes to know that I am real and an individual. I can accept some adjectives. For example, I know that I am stubborn. But Iâm not sure if itâs a good idea to walk around thinking that I am a stubborn person. Iâd rather allow the stubbornness to arise when it naturally arises, and just not brand myself as a stubborn individual.
So in conclusion: accept the feelings that arise, donât try to block them. Accept the all sides of your personality, even the ones you do not like. If you feel like you need to be seen and heard, then you are the one who is the gatekeeper to your true nature. You decide whether other people, or even your own self, can see and hear the real you. I donât mean that you need to constantly be completely open to everyone around you, but you should be open to yourself, if that makes sense.
Youâre not lost. You are right there, but you need to just see yourself and accept what you are seeing, without judgment. Easier said than done, but it can be done.
The RuminantParticipantI can understand that you are feeling anxious and need some guarantees that you’ll not feel pain again. I know it feels horrible to not be in control and be so aware of not being in control. That is one of the gifts to you right now: to be so aware of the loss of control of the situation. I can understand the manic feelings as well. Your mind is probably furiously trying to figure out how to survive. The good thing is that nothing bad is going to happen. You are just going to have to learn that nothing bad will happen, even if you’re not in control. Or let’s put it this way: it’s more likely that something bad will happen if you’ll furiously try to control other people and events, and more likely that things will go smoothly if you can just let go and allow things to happen.
I wasn’t able to let go of him. Never was. I tried everything, but I wasn’t successful, so that was another thing I had to accept. Though he didn’t let go of me either. If he would’ve eventually said that he really doesn’t want anything to do with me, then I think I would’ve been able to let go. He is still in my life in the background, and we are both still holding onto some hope. I am not sure if it’s a good thing or a bad thing, but time will tell. I continue not to be in control of the situation and it helps me to remember that it’s OK to not be in control.
Allow yourself to ease into the situation and accept the reality. It’s not going to happen just like that, but try it. Try to relax and allow the pain and fear to wash over you. It’s scary, but it will not kill you, and after you’ve noticed that you were strong enough to survive it, you’ve grown a little bit more. Fighting back isn’t going to help. You can try to outwit the reality, but you’ll only end up getting more hurt down the line. I read somewhere that humility is not trying to outsmart the reality, but accepting it as it is. I think it’s a helpful thought. I always feel really safe and good when I allow myself to feel more humble and remember that it’s not my job to control this world and everyone in it.
I agree with Chris about the support groups. It was extremely helpful to me. You can notice so many things when you’re in the same room with others who have similar survival tactics as you do. Whether that be manipulation, passive-aggressiveness or what ever ways we have learned along the way. It’s also good to acknowledge that you are still very capable of fooling yourself and others. It’s easy to say things without actually working on them, because the actual work is scary and hard. You have to be really honest with yourself.
It will be OK, however you’ll just have to learn how to trust yourself and the world around you. Things might not go the way you want them to go, but if you can accept that, things will go your way eventually.
The RuminantParticipantHello Nami,
I got a bit emotional reading your post, as I went through something similar and it was the catalyst for me for finally owning up to my mistakes and changing the course of my life. I know it hurts now, but you can use that hurt and willingness to heal to your benefit. I don’t think I would’ve sought help for myself and pushed myself forward without the motivation of wanting the man back I had lost due to my antics. I wanted to prove to him that I could heal. After a while it started to be about myself and now I am so thankful that everything happened. OK, I do regret hurting him, but the change that has happened in me and continues to happen has completely changed my life. I never would’ve gone through this transformation without him leaving me.
It will get better and then it will get worse. It will be painful and exhausting and terrifying. But if you continue with humility and willingness to shed the old habits and to allow love into your heart, it will all be worth it. You’ll heal and then you’ll heal some more and you will be tempted to think that you’re done with the work and will slip back to old habits. Then you continue again.
Things could’ve continued the same way for the rest of your life. You have been given a chance to change the course of your life. Grab it with both hands.
The RuminantParticipant…and what Matt said đ
I wholeheartedly agree with him. Also, reading what he said, it came to me that the motivation will start to feed itself. Once you feel alive again, you don’t want to go back to the lethargic version of yourself. Since we naturally avoid pain and go for pleasure, things will start to move forward with more ease. The lethargy and idleness is the pain part and being present and loving is the pleasure part. Right now the lethargy might still be calling your name more, but with some effort, the tables will turn and you’ll never want to go back.
The RuminantParticipantHello again!
First of all, I would like to say that Iâm sorry to hear youâre finding yourself in that situation and that I can understand the type of mental trap youâre talking about. I have been there myself, and continue to be from time to time, but am taking steps to recover from it.
Iâm not so sure if re-inventing yourself is whatâs needed, more than bringing yourself back to life. It really does sound like your work environment is unhealthy for several reasons, and it seems to be unhealthy for everyone. Though thatâs how things tend to go. There are companies which have a very unhealthy culture and everyone working there will eventually get sucked into it. It is very unfortunate and sad. Even if you canât change your work environment, it is good to be aware of how it can affect you, if youâre not careful.
You need to protect your soul and nurture it with meaningful things. I havenât read the books you listed, but I am kind of suspicious of books like the ones from Tim Ferriss. He sells this idea of an easy life, a kind of quick fix to things. How to have the perfect life with very little effort. You already know how it makes you feel when youâre forced to work on meaningless things that require very little effort. Iâm also finding myself disliking books and programs that are mainly about psyching people up and getting inspired, but then fail to deliver anything meaningful.
At this point, Iâll suggest couple of books to you that Iâve enjoyed myself. Iâm listening to both of them as audio books and havenât finished them yet, but thus far Iâve really enjoyed them. Iâll also tell you why I like them.
One of them is Buddhaâs Brain by Rick Hanson. The reason I like it, is because it offers an interesting combination of neuroscience and Buddhism; factual reality and spiritual things. Itâs not your average self-help book, in my opinion, as thereâs quite a lot of science. Itâs not about hype, but actual, practical things. It has given me hope that it is possible to change unhealthy thought patterns. Just like the rest of your body, the brain adapts to how you use it. So even if focus would be difficult to come by without proper motivation right now, it should be possible to learn how to focus, even if you didnât have to. Iâll come back to why I think focus is what you need.
Another book is Getting Things Done by David Allen. I know that it doesnât sound like you have much to do at the moment, so a stress relief program on how to handle things efficiently might not sound like something youâd need. But his book is also solid, and also gives hope: knowledge work blurs the lines of work so much that it causes stress. Acknowledging this and knowing that Iâm not alone in that helped me a lot. Knowledge work seldom has proper structure when it comes to time and effort. In your current work, they need your brain there, prepared to be used, but if itâs not needed, itâs expected to be idle. Is it any wonder that youâre in a state of lethargy, when youâre expected to be vacant. The lines blur, reality blurs, and your mind is easily exploited with idle gossip. It deteriorates your mind and hurts your soul.
I do think that you need to bring some focus back in your life, even if you donât need it at work. Time and space are slipping from you, as youâre vacantly living and slowly lulling yourself into a state of non-being. You need structure and focus, and if the company youâre working for isnât interested in providing that, then you must provide it for yourself. You need to protect your mind and your soul. If you need motivation, then thatâs one. When people approach you with gossip, make a conscious effort to divert the conversation or to not allow yourself to be sucked into it. Inject purpose and meaning into things that youâre now taking for granted, turning it into a mindfulness practice and doing it because it heals your soul and makes you stronger. If you want to improve yourself, then do something that actually matters, and donât get suckered into the fast food type of self-improvement culture thatâs all talk and no action.
Whilst walking and photography can be good for the soul, the problem with those is that you can do both without paying much attention. Of course both things will transform completely if you start to do them soulfully. Yes, you can walk soulfully đ Allow your senses to take in everything around you and pay attention to the way your body moves. Or with photography, photograph things with your whole body, not just with your mind. If that makes sense. Express your whole being, not just what is in your mind. You need to get out of your state of living in your mind, yet being vacant all the time. You can force yourself out of it by doing such physically straining things that you have no other option than to be fully present in your body, or you can just really make an effort to be mindful. Itâs hard, but what choice do you have? You canât stay in the state of mind youâre in right now and you canât afford to allow laziness to guide your way out of laziness. No quick fixes, but actual hard work.
Writing this has been therapeutic for me as well. I am partly writing for myself. So, just so you know, youâre not alone in your state of being. I think that from reading your posts, you come across as a lovely person. Youâre just stuck in a difficult situation and you need to fight against it to protect yourself.
The RuminantParticipantHello LMN!
I have some thoughts on the subject, but I wanted to ask you something first. Are you able to do your own things at the office after you’ve accomplished the required tasks for that day? Like reading a book or listening to an audio book or writing or anything like that? I’m asking, because I don’t know what the rules at your workplace are. If you are browsing some of the internal websites, does it mean that you have no Internet access?
Also, what do you do outside of work, if I may ask? Do you have any particular hobbies? The reason I’m asking is that I wonder if you get any balance for what you do?
The RuminantParticipantDear Suze,
Thereâs something in what you are saying that I can relate to. I have a strong need to help other people and the society, and I am very much interested in the big picture. I have also been through depression.
I think that a few things contributed to my own depression, which I werenât able to see back then, but itâs more clear to me now. If you think that being centered would mean that your central focus is within you, then my focus was off and blurry. My interests were always outside of myself, and I kept neglecting myself in many ways. I think that some sort of mindfulness meditation wouldâve helped with this, to be more grounded and more centered in myself, in my life.
Another contributing factor, and what makes mindfulness meditation so difficult, is the wandering monkey brain. The constant chatter and analysis of everything. With some practice, itâs possible to stop it, even for a short while. I didnât have any real tools, so I just started interrupting myself. I know from experience that when Iâm interrupted enough times, I simply forget what I was saying and canât say anything anymore. Thatâs what I did to my internal narration. I kept interrupting the constant negative stream of words and eventually, it wasnât constant anymore. I got a bit power over the narration in my mind, and that was terribly empowering.
Then thereâs the illusion of what we think life is or should be and what it actually is, as well as attaching morality to things, people and events, and expecting fairness and justice. Impossible expectations about life will lead to perpetual misery. Let us take your rich/poor example. My mother always said that if everything we have would be equally divided between all of us today, tomorrow some people would have more and others would have less. Would that be unjust? Morally wrong? We can constantly try to level the playing field, but things tend to gravitate towards a certain state. Does being poor mean being miserable? Does being rich equal happiness?
Understanding some of the realities of life does not mean being cold or uncaring. Also, imagine this: if a severely wounded person would be brought into the care of a doctor, would it be beneficial if the doctor became emotional, crying in shock over the fate of his fellow human? The ability to help in a way that creates more good than harm requires knowledge, patience, understanding of the causes of the symptoms and so forth. The causes of why we are in the situation we are right now as humanity are complex. Or perhaps very simple. I tend to think that if we all felt loved and cared for and safe, the world would look completely different. Since I can not wave a magic wand and change things just like that, I try (emphasis on the word âtryâ) to spread love and caring and the feeling of safety. In order to do so, I need to care for myself. I have to make sure that I feel safe and loved, so that all the extra love that accumulates in me can freely flow towards others without judgment or conditions. What if just like fear, love could behave like a virus and spread from one person onto the next, slowly contaminating the whole world?
In conclusion: definitely start by helping yourself. Youâll not change the world if youâre crippled from depression. Let the world be for a moment and focus on yourself. Learn how to have the power over your thoughts and emotions, instead of allowing them to control you. Ever noticed how those who arenât able to control themselves tend to have a need for controlling things around them? Interestingly, when youâre able to control yourself, the need to control others lessens. Youâll feel more in control of your life and your destiny, and it will change the way you look at the world around you. Also, perhaps youâd be able to do things that would change the world. You canât change things by just wishing them to be different, and you certainly canât move the world to the right direction before you yourself know how to move.
Also, one last advice: donât compare your inside with other peopleâs outside. You donât know how happy or content other people are, and you most certainly are not alone with your concerns and feelings.
The RuminantParticipantIâm not sure how to respond to this. If I were to respond directly to your topic with my opinion, Iâm afraid that I might inadvertently poke a sore spot. Has someone hurt you by making comparisons between yourself and another person, making you think that you wouldnât be attractive enough? That someone can also be yourself.
Attraction, and even lust, is about much more than just physical appearance. Also, what is visually appealing to one person can be appalling to someone else. On top of that there is also chemistry, and on top of that, other emotions that you feel towards the person you find attractive. Itâs a combination of our own history and our mutual history with the other person and our own ability to feel a variety of emotions.
I do not know whether social media keeps us emotionally immature, or simply makes us more aware of how immature we really are. Our society keeps changing, but our basic needs stay the same. Easy access to porn is not a replacement for intimacy, and I think that even those who are addicted to porn would know that. I think that we all desire to have an intimate connection with another human. Creating that connection is easier for some people and harder for others. Our brains develop all the time, and depending on what kind of relationships you had as a child, you may find it easy to have deep emotional connections with other people, or you might find it exceptionally hard. Not everyone is willing to work hard on healing and developing what was left underdeveloped. But I digressâŚ
Healthy relationships require healthy people. What is healthy and normal for each individual, varies. I personally am sexually attracted to men who exude a certain masculinity. I also know that the masculinity comes with interest and appreciation towards females. If a man isnât interested nor attracted to women, then it causes my own attraction to drop. So if I want to be in a relationship with a man I am sexually attracted to, I need to accept the fact that he is appreciative of femininity in general. If I were to expect him to be only appreciative of my curves and nobody elseâs, then I would be neutering him and thus making him unappealing to me. ButâŚthat is just me, and that is just one part of the whole equation. To be appreciative, to be attracted to, to have sex with and to be in love with are all different things. What constitutes betrayal within a specific relationship depends on that relationship, but it should be communicated. If you think that the other person should not even look at others, and your partner thinks that itâs perfectly natural, then it will lead to a disaster. However, what your personal inclination is is also firmly tied with how honest you are with yourself and how confident you are about who you are. Even the most sexually open-minded person can feel threatened if they feel insecure within a relationship.
So, emotional maturity (your own and your partnerâs), authenticity, confidence and trust in oneself and the other are all requirements for a truly healthy relationship, regardless of what is happening in the society.
- This reply was modified 10 years, 6 months ago by The Ruminant.
April 28, 2014 at 5:14 am in reply to: Why does everyone thinks about " Me First" ? What about hurting others ? #55505The RuminantParticipantCameron,
I’m sure Al will answer your question, but since I was going to come here to respond to Zita anyway, I thought I’d respond to you as well. I agree with Al that it is through pain and suffering that we learn the most, but suffering in romantic relationships isn’t the only type of suffering there is. Nobody gets through life without pain and suffering. It just comes in different forms to different people. It’s not just pure luck that some people have married their first love and have stuck with it. I do think that they have been more wholesome when it comes to dealing with relationships, without unrealistic expectations and willingness to work on their relationship. It still doesn’t mean that their lives are perfect. They have their own worries and their own journeys to go through.
Zita,
Iâve been trying to figure out how to better explain my point of view. To me, the concept is clear, but itâs not that easy to explain.
Imagine that there is energy in you that is free for you to spend how ever you please. What ever is the focus of your attention is where you spend your energy. Iâm just talking about energy, not positive or negative energy. Just energy. Precious energy. As long as your focus is on other people, you will continue to expend your energy on others. If you never focus on your own needs, you will end up in a situation where all your energy is constantly being fed to others, whether they ask for it or not. You will end up running on empty, desperately waiting for someone else to spend their energy on you, just like you are spending it on them. When that doesnât happen, you will feel cheated. You spent all that energy on them, and now itâs wasted and nobody is tending to your needs. Yet, all you would have to do is change your focus from them onto yourself, even for a while, and you would be replenished.
My understanding of unconditional love is that when you are so filled with love and compassion yourself, it will start to overflow towards anything and everything around you. It doesnât matter who the recipient is, as you have all this extra love and itâs freely given to others. The concept canât be understood if one hasnât been filled with love. If youâre running on empty, the last thing you can do is to give unconditionally to others. You canât. Itâs impossible. The same goes for forgiveness, in my opinion. As long as youâre empty, not tending to your wounds and not using your own energy to heal yourself, and still wasting it on others, there is no possibility for forgiveness. The state of emergency continues. It could be changed at any given moment with a bit of self-awareness, but the shift is very hard to do.
This is why, Zita, it is important to focus on yourself. You are focusing on others to the extent that when the advice is to feel compassion and forgiveness towards the self in order to heal, you are more preoccupied with the selves of other people and do not acknowledge your own. You are in pain, so you must tend to your wounds. Worry about other people later, when you are healed and full of energy again. And when you are full of energy again and perhaps even full of love, letting go of the past hurts and forgiving others will come naturally.
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The RuminantParticipantI’m sorry you’re finding yourself in this situation. There is an upside to the most recent revelation, as you’re quite likely not wanting to go back to him.
I became involved with someone years ago, on an online dating site. I thought he was “the one” and all that. He said the right things and everything seemed great. We met, I felt uncomfortable in his presence, but decided to not listen to myself and got on with the relationship. I started to go a bit crazy with him, doubting myself and feeling weird. Honestly, I can’t remember everything about it. The whole thing fell apart, and I felt miserable. Then someone pointed me out to look into Narcissism, and it all hit me, as I was reading through the descriptions. This man was like a text book narcissist. He called himself god, I laughed, not taking him seriously (and thinking that he had a really weird sense of humor). Stuff like that. Then I started to realize that my previous relationship before him had eerily similar feel to it. The push and pull. Idolizing and then being treated like dirt. Emotional blackmail, never quite knowing if it was OK to be me or not. I had thought that I was the world’s worst girlfriend, and that relationship had a very big impact on me and how I viewed myself. Then I suddenly realized that it wasn’t about me. It could’ve been anyone, and it had been someone else in my shoes previously; I heard later that the man in my previous relationship had driven several women crazy.
I joined some support internet forum for victims of Narcissists. It was helpful in a way, that I could understand how many of the aspects of my relationships weren’t normal. I had accepted them as normal. In a way, it was all very scary. I started to doubt all people, as did many other victims. I saw the same lack of compassion in many of the people in my life, and I was just really scared. That did pass a bit, though I couldn’t fully start trusting again. The good thing was, that I did break up all potential relationships that started to go down a familiar road.
More things happened in my life that weren’t so great, until finally I just shattered. Everything fell apart. It was horrible and it was painful, but there was hope and I worked on healing myself. I went to therapy, that didn’t work for me at all, I disliked the therapist (go with a therapist that makes you feel safe, you can choose). I joined Al-Anon, that was filled with other codependent people, who interestingly also told stories about relationships with Narcissists.
My healing has now continued for a while, and I’m more of myself now than I’ve ever been. There are times when I feel weak and scared, but most of the times I trust myself, and that seems to be the key to a lot of things.
I am telling you all of this so that you can put into perspective what I’m telling you now. I know that you are still in an emotional turmoil and probably can’t see very clearly, but I hope that this can be of some help, when it’s the right time:
1) You dodged a bullet. Had you continued to be with him, even as a friend, it might’ve done considerably more damage to you.
2) Be kind to yourself and possibly seek help from support groups, so that you can hear other stories. It helps to understand that you’re not the only one. It helps to alleviate some of the shame that you might be feeling.
3) When it’s time, take responsibility of your own part in everything. You knew something was wrong, but decided to believe him instead of yourself. I have been there and done that myself, so please don’t take this as a victim blaming. It is trust in oneself, having healthy boundaries, having a healthy relationship with reality and loving oneself that will keep you safe. Emotional maturity is a deterrent for those who are emotionally immature. Illusions and fairy tales have their own place in life, but they’re not the basis of a healthy relationship. Any relationship, including the one you have with yourself.
4) Do not escape reality, as reality is your friend. It’s the place where you know what is real and what isn’t. Getting reacquainted with your senses and your surroundings, mindfulness, also helps you with trusting your own senses. When you trust your own senses, and you trust yourself, you’ll also start to trust your gut instincts. In my personal experience, it is always right, and I so often have not listened to it and went ahead with things anyway, and I have ended getting hurt. I am still glad that I have this inborn ability to detect danger. It’s just easy to dismiss when someone is being more convincing, so you need the self-esteem and the courage to be you and trust yourself.Like I said, I am sorry that you find yourself in your situation. I do wish that you can get through it and learn new things that help you to become a stronger, healthier and happier individual. It requires a lot of work, but it is all worth it.
You are loved.
The RuminantParticipantDear Stephen,
I was thinking this morning how our problems so often seem to stem from our inability to cope with painful things and the subsequent avoidance of those situations, to a point where we create all kinds of coping mechanisms that end up making our own lives very difficult. What is painful for you is a bit different from what I find painful, but the end results seem to be similar.
Feeling as if you are left with nothing can be a blessing in disguise. That is when you are left with no other choice than to start working on the original problem. Having to face the reality is really scary and painful, but once you get through it, everything changes. I agree with you, that the solution is found from amongst actual people and not online. If you are living in a city, thereâs a very good chance that there can be support groups for those who suffer from social anxiety. When I felt like I had lost everything couple of years ago, I was kind of forced to join a support group (I really didnât want to) and it ended up being a really healing experience. To be forced to open up in front of other people in a safe setting was really life changing. Nothing bad happened. I survived, and so should you đ
The road is winding and there will be breakthroughs and setbacks. Looking back, I think that the setbacks, for me, came after the breakthroughs as I felt too sure that I had changed overnight and then slipped back to my old habits. Things do not change overnight, but it is a bit of a rush to break down some old walls and let the sunshine in. It does require a lot of courage, but the rewards are tremendous.
I would advice you to be smart about it. Support groups usually have rules, which makes them safe places. When I got a bit too excited about opening up, I ended up opening up to people who didnât react to it in a good way. It didnât end up doing too much damage, and I did learn to be a bit more discerning with what kind of people to socialize with. Or rather, having kind of âtiersâ with different kinds of people: some would see more of me than others. In you, just like in everyone else, is this unique, extremely beautiful soul, that everyone wants to see. To have a connection with another vulnerable being is what intimacy is all about, and we all want it, we all crave it, but not everyone are able to handle it. So be wise and take baby steps, but do take those steps. It is scary and can be painful, but it is all very, very rewarding.
April 27, 2014 at 12:59 am in reply to: Why does everyone thinks about " Me First" ? What about hurting others ? #55426The RuminantParticipantDear Zita,
Do you realize that you are taking the concept of self-forgiveness and applying it to other people instead of yourself? Is it any wonder that you feel so neglected when you are neglecting yourself so harshly?
The RuminantParticipantHello!
I just read your post (you don’t need to apologize for it’s length; you write what you want to write and those who want to read it, will). I could relate to a lot of things in your post. In the same time it’s interesting to see someone else go through things that I have went through: there’s more clarity and compassion, but also it’s hard to give any concrete advice, as I think I’m still struggling with some of the same things you are.
One thing that I noticed, which I know I do myself as well, is that you readily have understanding for his lack of respect for you. I have done that same thing, but it’s interesting to see the same in someone else. My big sister isn’t anything like that and she will call out anyone on their BS and places the responsibility where it should be. Her way of handling things sometimes makes me feel really safe, because I know that I am way too forgiving in an unhealthy way. So I feel a bit like a big sister to you, when I read how you are so understanding towards this person who really did not treat you very nicely. Sure, he is free to do what ever he wants with his life, and sure, he might have self-esteem issues. He is still responsible for his own actions and how he treats other people. I do think that lack of respect and the blurred lines of online relationships are rather common these days, but it might do us good to set some proper boundaries and not accept the kind of behavior that hurts us. I sometimes imagine my own inner child, desperate to be understood and cared for, and then I, the adult, keep placing her in situations where she hurts and I do nothing. I have the power to keep those who hurt her at an arms length. But I digress…
Are you able to block him in your game, so that you wouldn’t see him when he’s online? Taking some time off from the game might do you good as well. Think of it as a healing holiday. It doesn’t have to be permanent, and you can always go back, but just stay away for couple of weeks from this place that keeps pouring salt to your wounds.
Also, perhaps acknowledge that you need care as well. You’re worried about him, but it is his job to worry about himself and your job to worry about you.
I know that you know all this and I also know how hard it is to let go. It’s only been couple of weeks. I can understand the shattering and how it feels like when all of a sudden your reality isn’t want you thought it was. It takes time to heal from that. I’m sure that you are on some level desperately trying to put the genie back in the bottle (not sure if that’s the correct idiom to use), and make everything “normal” again. It’s just not going to happen, and talking with him isn’t going to fix things. He doesn’t have the answer to you that would take the pain away. I am sorry you are going through this and I know that it is painful.
Please remember that compassion and forgiveness isn’t the same thing as allowing those who hurt us to continue doing so. I have been in your situation many times with many different people, and after gaining a bit more confidence and love towards myself, I have decided to let go of certain people who are repeat offenders of making me feel really bad and humiliated. Sure, they don’t do it on purpose, but why uphold relationships like that? It is easier to let go of them, when you’re not in the middle of an emotional turmoil. Letting go comes naturally when the storm has passed and you feel better and more at peace.
I am very much looking forward to what other people have to say, as I would like to learn more as well.
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