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I’m in awe Pevelry of how quickly you have gained so much perspective on your relationship and yourself in such a small amount of time. I agree 100% with all your points. Mine has taken quite a bit longer but I’ve also learnt:
– when you focus too much on someone else, you take the focus off yourself and that is too much pressure for anyone to bear
– each having your own space is a good thing and you need that to look after yourself, pursue your own interests if your to create your own happiness
– that it’s ok not to have all the answers or not to know. Rather than looking for the answers, I need to be more curious why I feel the way do.
– if you keep looking back or too far forward you lose sight of what you actually have
– that it’s good to be vulnerable with what you need but you can’t demand anything from anyone, they have needs too and you need to explore how your needs can be met together
– that listening is one of the most important gifts you can give someone. Show them that they have been heard.The last thing I know is that I’d rather me happy than right.
strong2015ParticipantThanks Anita, you have a way of putting everything in perspective which is so valuable.
strong2015ParticipantThis poem seem to fit. The need for my heart to grow and reconcile to it’s feasts of losses.
The Layers- Stanley Kunitz (1905-2006)
I have walked through many lives,
some of them my own,
and I am not who I was,
though some principle of being
abides, from which I struggle not to stray.
When I look behind,
as I am compelled to look
before I can gather strength
to proceed on my journey,
I see the milestones dwindling
toward the horizon
and the slow fires trailing
from the abandoned camp-sites,
over which scavenger angels
wheel on heavy wings.
Oh, I have made myself a tribe
out of my true affections,
and my tribe is scattered!
How shall the heart be reconciled
to its feast of losses?
In a rising wind
the manic dust of my friends,
those who fell along the way,
bitterly stings my face.
yet I turn, I turn,
exulting somewhat,
with my will intact to go
wherever I need to go,
and every stone on the road
precious to me.
In my darkest night,
when the moon was covered
and I roamed through wreckage,
a nimbus-clouded voice
directed me:
“Live in the layers,
not on the litter.”
Though I lack the art
to decipher it,
no doubt the next chapter
in my book of transformations
is already written,
I am not done with my changes.strong2015ParticipantThanks Anita. As hard as it is I’ve had to swallow my pride and take a hard look at the image of myself that both you and him have reflected back to me. And I see a lack of humility mixed with insecurity and fear. I was more focused on his fears, not seeing that it was my own fears messing with my head. Time has made me see I only want to believe the best in myself. The reality is, I was looking for a way to make things perfect and I had to have things done my way. That shows me I wasn’t ready for the relationship. The only thing I can be grateful for is that this has pushds me done a path where I’m going to have to make myself ready if I’m ever to have the relationship/partnership I want to have.
Any other words of wisdom are most welcome. I had thought of sharing the above with my ex but I don’t want to upset him. I have apologised for how I acted but only now am I daring myself to allow this experience to alter my view. I suppose the question is does he need to know that?
- This reply was modified 8 years, 11 months ago by strong2015.
strong2015ParticipantThanks Anita, your words did calm me. I did email him and told him many of my fears, how much I appreciated his honesty and how I wanted to keep on exploring with him what a balance could be that would offer us both security without suffocation and freedom without isolation. It’s been silence at his end so far. He is still overseas but I have to confess my heart sinks. On one hand I know I have extended the conversation in a positive way, my words were kind and not judging and were honest. I have exposed myself to him, been completely honest who I am and the journey I want to keep on exploring with him. There is nothing more I can do. The impulsive me wants an answer, feels foolish like may I just don’t want to hear what he’s saying. He isn’t sure if he can meet my needs, if he has more to give. Shouldn’t he know? If I was the right girl for him, would he beable to commit? As you can see my is doing a few loops, I’m not really sure how to stop or give myself peace from it. Patience isn’t my forte.
strong2015ParticipantThanks Anita. I was feeling overwhelmed and sad, sad because I do love him so much but it was feeling hopeless but you were right this is the most honest relationship I’ve ever had and I haven’t appreciated that. In terms of his mum I did suggest he spoke to a counselour but he was weary of this as the last person he went to see told him not to tell me about the affair, that it was his burden and he had to deal with it, to man up. Advice he now wishes he didn’t follow. I’m not sure if I can now suggest that he doesn’t talk to his mum but I do share your concerns, I’m not sure what she will say or how she’ll react but she is a person he trusts. I do want to keep the dialogue open and I really like the way you phrased exploring more about how it needs to change for it to work for both of us. He is going overseas today but I think I’ll write him an email so my words can come out straight. Thanks again
strong2015ParticipantI’m starting to feel really sad about us, it feels like because we care and love each other so much we can’t say goodbyge but for whatever reason we can’t move forward either.
strong2015ParticipantSo I took your advice and shared my fears within him, not about us both myself and hating feeling weak etc.We came back to talking about our relationship and moving in together. He had given it alot more thought and was so open with me about his fears. He says he see me as the greatest thing that’s happened to him and he feels like it’s a bigger decision he’s making. That if he says no to me he’s saying no the only chance he’ll have at being a father, being in a real relationship, that no would mean he’d live an isolated life, in the vacuum. So in his heart he wants to say yes but he doesn’t know if he can live up to it. I said it all about intention, wanting to try, we can’t predict things but he’s worried he won’t meet my expectation of being present (he feels like he’s a zombie during the week), being open – (he closes things off when he’s stressed) and making his work less of a priority. He’s very insightful these are all my worry points but also torn about him feeling like he has to change. I did ask him whether he was happy for work to be his priority because if he was he shouldn’t change but his response was that it’s the only way he knows so he’s worried he won’t beable to change that habit. He isn’t sure what to do. I told him I didn’t want to pressure him but found it helpful to talk to someone so he’s going to talk to his mum this week about it. I’m not sure what to think. I know he cares and values me and I wonder if talking about what could be a solution that works for both of us on the above ie. openess, presence, priorities. I also believe that I’m not his only chance at a relationship, maybe there is someone that is more suited to him than me. I want him to be happy even if that means it’s not with me. I welcome any thoughts, I really hated seeing him so worried and torn.
- This reply was modified 9 years, 3 months ago by strong2015.
strong2015ParticipantAnita you have given me so much, thank you. It was strange re-reading my words and seeing how I was expressing myself. You have allowed me to see that though I have never consciously thought this way I am positioning myself as the good one and him as week. He was so brave in sharing so much of himself with me and beyond saying what I want from the relationship I haven’t done the same and I need to.
In terms of language strong, I think it comes from when my previous long-term relationship broke down I was when i had completely lost my confidence, I was struggling to find work, I felt weak and helpless and in this state my partner of 10 years broke up with me. With my current boyfriend when we were living overseas together both of us had a lot of pressure from work we didn’t cope well with and again I felt like I lost myself, my happiness, I felt weak and that’s when he cheated. So I do have this association with when I feel weak, negative things happen. So I have had this focus on being strong, believing in myself and abilities. I don’t think by itself that is a negative thing as I know I can’t rely on someone else for my happiness but I also have to be willing to be vulnerable. I suppose when you asked me what I meant by my fears, my biggest fear is being weak and what will happen.
You have made me recognise everything will never be ok, but that is ok. I might have to keep reminding myself of that one. But when I talked about crumbs it was more that I do want a partner in life, a buddy to share my life with, to build a life with and I don’t feel like I have that. It feels like he compartmentalises me to the weekend, where we do spend quality time together and then have the odd phone chat during the week but it feels like smaller than I’d like and I hate how I sounds saying this but a txt or a phone call each day doesn’t seem that much to do for someone you love. So rightly or wrongly this is the imperfection I’m struggling with.
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strong2015ParticipantMy biggest fear is that I accept crumbs from him but I can’t decide if they’re crumbs or just not how I would show love to the person I love.
strong2015ParticipantI’m just not sure how long to wait?
strong2015ParticipantI didn’t hear from him yesterday after trying to call him, so no contact beyond seeing each other in the morning. It’s just a small action but I wonder if he says he wants us but can’t actually put that into action. Not sure what I can do but keep living my life. But I wonder why though? He seemed so content with us on the weekend, so open but the walls have gone back. My friends say I have to look at his actions not his words. It’s hard.
- This reply was modified 9 years, 4 months ago by strong2015.
strong2015ParticipantAn update on my situation. I really took the advice I’d been given and did alot of soul searching and realised that alot of my frustration came down to myself, not setting clear boundaries of what I wanted in a relationship. It’s funny it feels like it has taken two years for me to get myself strong enough to know what I want and ask for it and be prepared to walk away if it isn’t possible.
So I asked. I said we feel more like we’re dating than partners in life and that’s what I want. He was taken back and needed time. Strangely it didn’t worry me as much as it would of in the past. And this weekend we talked, talked about alot of things. How for him he feels he is committed. He gives all his free time to me and I’m always on his mind, whether he communicates it or not. He values my opinion more than anyone elses and the week he had to think, left a big void in his life. How his comment about me meeting the love of my life is above everything else is that he wants me to be happy and his biggest fear is that he’s going to disappoint me. That when it comes to having children he does want them but fears what type of father he’ll be. Having a secure future (job wise) is a big thing for him and he wants me to be a part of the decision he makes. He thought it was obvious but for me it hadn’t felt like he’d express it that way. He talked about how he didn’t feel like he had good role models for relationships and the thought of being responsible for someone else scared him. But he’s open for us to move in together.
The rest of the weekend we had a really lovely time together, going for walks, a movie, dinner with his family and making love.
I have mixed feelings about the above. Firstly I can’t say how much better it feels to be let into his world. And I genuinely feel like we’re listening to each other making changes because of what the other person has expressed they’re needed, talking about moving in together, making love. But while I feel good about all these things I don’t feel like everything is ok now. I wonder why I expect everything to suddenly be perfect.
I’ve told myself I can’t control his fears and if choose to stay I have to accept them. That the strength of our relationship now seems to be a strong friendship and a desire and a respect for making each other happy but I don’t feel a sense of real passion as I once did, we had a lot of physical chemistry and I don’t feel frightened if we weren’t to be together. So it feels both positive and negative, positive because I’m in a stronger place so probably more ready to be in a relationship but concerned that we may not have everything we need to have the relationship I desire.
Anita, you seemed to understand where he was coming from. Do you think my fears a fair?
strong2015ParticipantThanks Anita, I really appreciated it, we’re spending some time this weekend doing a cooking course so we should have some time in the afternoon away from the stress of work to talk. I’ll let you know how it goes.
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strong2015ParticipantThanks for your time and wise words:)
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