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silvery blue
ParticipantHello James,
I think I understand you. Maybe not exactly in the right sense of Buddhist teachings, but I relate…
I had difficulties and the way I thought about them really helped me heal…
In short, I appeared in the world, at some time, in some place… and everyone did what they could, what their understanding at the time allowed them to do… and maybe it wasn’t always entirely good or right… but by not perceiving my experience as “me” or something that defined me, I believed I healed faster…
It is just a human experience… nothing else… it doesn’t define “me”…
It is a form of detachment. I think. But the good detachment… because I don’t cling to the suffering that was done to me…
I think it is a bit different from what you were describing, but I think I understand what you are trying to say here. π
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silvery blue
ParticipantHello!
Yes, I like the conversation and different points of view, too. π
There are two truths in Buddhism: relative and universal. Buddha used the Five Remembrance to show the relative truth:
1) I am of the nature to grow old. I cannot escape growing old.
2) I am of the nature to have ill health. I cannot escape having ill health.
3) I am of the nature to die. I cannot escape death.
4) All that is dear to me, and everyone I love, are of the nature to change. There is no way to escape being separated from them.
5) I inherit the results of my acts of body, speech, and mind. My actions are my continuation.It wouldn’t be wise to deny relative truth, because we are huma beings. We have bodies and a body grows old and gets ill and dies in the end… the same truth applies to our beloved… and what we do with our bodies (how we think, speak, treat ourselves and others, …) affects us and others, as well. It wouldn’t be wise to say that this truth doesn’t exist.
Buddha used the tools of relative truth to help us to practice … The relative truth, the Five Remebrances, is taught in order to cultivate gratitude and appreciation for the life we have been given here and now. But of course, his deepest teachings are about no birth, no death, the universal truth… In my opinion without understanding and mainly practicing and living the relative truth, it isn’t possible to reach universal truth…
BUT, please bear in mind that I am only a lay buddhist… I am still learning… This is how I understand this now. I might be completely wrong. π
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ParticipantHello Tee, thank you for your post. I will read it again when I am back at PC. Sending βοΈ
silvery blue
ParticipantIt’s a nice question. I’ll think about it. π
I know there’s something behind it that might not be entirely healthy… I don’t know how to describe it. But because I was through a lot of suffering, I just didn’t (and don’t) want anyone else to go through it.
You know… when you know what it feels like… you don’t want others to feel that pain. You just want to protect them against it… and in the process you can completely lose yourself.
If it makes sense.
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silvery blue
ParticipantI like the four elements of true love (Four Immesurable Minds) in Buddhism.
Maitri
“When you love someone, you offer your friendship… And friendship does not deprive him or her of his or her freedom… When you love, you maintain your whole freedom and you help maintain the freedom of the person you love… ‘By loving you I retain my freedom, and by loving you I respect your freedom’… You spend your time with him or her with mindfulness and you discover everyday his (or her) needs, difficulties, obstacles and deep aspirations…”Karuna
“Karuna means the capacity to understand the suffering, and help remove it, transform it. The person you love has suffering in him or in her. You should be able to identify that suffering, that difficulty, and try to help to remove it. … In true love, you don’t have to suffer (with your beloved). You have to understand only. And your capacity of understanding helps the other person not to suffer anymore. … Your presence only helps the person to feel better. Your speech, your action, your capacity to listen deeply helps him or her transform and remove the suffering…”Mudita
“Mudita means joy. The kind of joy that is shared by both. … True love should include joy. And you are able to enjoy his/her joy and he/she is able to enjoy your joy, because you are no longer two seperate entities. You are one with the person you love. That is why, when you see that person happy, you feel very happy. You consider his/her happiness as yours. And when you see the person unhappy, you are able to do something in order to help him or her to suffer less. You don’t say ‘That’s your problem!’ In true love there is no statement like that. Your joy is his/her joy, his/her joy is your joy.”Upeksha
“Upeksha means non-discrimination. And this is a higher form of love. You love him/her, not because the person belongs to the same race, having the same kind of skin color, or sharing the same kinds of spiritual paths. … You love the person, because the person suffers and needs your love. … When you love, your love should include everyone. … When your heart is able to embrace everyone (no matter what their race, nationality or religion is), every living beings, it has no longer any frontiers. Your heart becomes immense. And when the love in your heart is like that, you don’t suffer anymore. … Enlarge your heart to make it into something unlimited… and you can accept everything.”β€οΈ
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silvery blue
ParticipantI came to a realization that in my strong need to protect others, I always lose myself in the end. But when I try to break this habit, I always hit a wall.
I am okay. I am only ruminating. I am happy that it’s getting to the surface. π
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silvery blue
ParticipantHello Alessa!
“I was worried about losing you as a friend.”
That wouldn’t happen! π€ Don’t worry. I understand. Moreover, a good friend points out a mistake. β€οΈ
“I donβt think I get things right. I end up accidentally hurting my friends in a misguided attempt to keep the peace.”
I know. I feel the same. Maybe we should stop trying to keep the peace at all cost? By the way, you haven’t hurt me. π
Hello Lucidity,
thank you! You are very kind.
You are right.
I should stop trying so hard to make this place safe… to make it what Peter wrote about… to create a culture of respect where people can speak honestly, listen deeply, and stay engaged even when itβs hard. Itβs about courage and care, not comfort at all costs.
But for this to work, the majority must believe it and become ready and open to it. Maybe, it’s not the right time yet. π
But I agree with you – it’s my responsibility to deal with my own emotions. And I’m really alone in this. And I should keep it in private, not on a public forum. Maybe I can try to go through it with someone who is willing to be open and ready on email, for example. You are right. β€οΈ
I am just used to being honest even publicly, but as you said, in the end I “make myself a pariah despite having widespread agreement.” π
Thank you. I will reconsider my approach. π
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August 31, 2025 at 10:33 pm in reply to: Whoβs HereβReally? A Gentle Roll Call for Our Tiny Community #449138silvery blue
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Participant“Its important to be clear on why I feel my message should be heard by others.” (Lucidity)
I was thinking about this.
Firstly, it’s a problem of our different cultures and I apologize if I am disrespectful or tactless. It is possible that I cannot see that, because I live in a different country and it, of course, influences my thinking. I always thought that it is actually very useful to speak openly about tough topics. There’s an emphasis on being honest and straightforward even if it isn’t “politically correct” in my country… I thought that it is beneficial… but obviously it is considered impolite in the west. (I live in the central Europe)
Secondly, isn’t it simply a human need to be heard?
And finally, isn’t it something family, friends, or people who want to connect with us, do? To hear us… But I am naive. I know. π
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silvery blue
ParticipantAlessa,
it is all right. β€οΈ I don’t want you to worry. I believe that you know by now that I don’t hold on emotions for too long. And… my heart is too good (and apparently very naive) to be upset… 5 minutes of talking to my little anger and I’m good again. π
I would always hug you when I see your need to help.
It’s only the tension… I’m just so good that I’m stupid… so stupid… I give my whole heart and then I’m surprised that it isn’t accepted or it is took for granted… in conflicts I rather submit, supress something… and then I am suprised that it hurts… So, I try to be assertive and then I’m told off or said it’s very unkind of me… I can’t find the right balance or approach yet…
I am afraid that I would lose my heart and become detached or bitter when I stop being good and peaceful… but at the same time, for this same reason (being too good) I feel I am too easy to be manipulated by others.
I agree, Lucidity, that keeping it all inside unprocessed isn’t good… and I need to find an affective way of inner processing when I am deliberately ignored by the other party.
I could try journaling… I find talking to myself useful (talking with my emotions – I’ve learned this from Thich Hanh)
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silvery blue
ParticipantSometimes something bothers me, but I choose not to bring it up because I know the other party might not understand… then I’m left alone with these feelings that I haven’t been heard… So, I try to change it, open myself, only to find myself that I did the wrong again…
It’s hard to process these feelings. But I guess that I have to accept that I am truly alone with my feelings and it’s my problem what I feel. Because bringing up my feelings to someone who isn’t open and ready is harmful…
So, what is left for me? Find a community who is open and ready, and willing to listen even to me.
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silvery blue
ParticipantThank you for your thoughts and story, Peter. Beautiful! β€οΈ
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ParticipantDafne β€οΈπ
silvery blue
ParticipantHello Tommy,
I would like to share my experience. It really helped me to read about other’s pain and suffering, because I got more insight. I stopped judging people as I used to. I know now that we are the same, but still very different… and not everyone is so lucky to be able to make it to their transformation. I respect it and I can at least help a bit by a smile irl or emoji online…
I know it is hard to witness others’ suffering. I am trying to learn and to et better at the art of observing, but not absorbing. It is a great practice, which helps me cultivate my compassion.
A healthy forum has many voices, many opinions, many styles, … We don’t have to be perfect Buddhas to join in conversation! π I need to hear more people, more views, more styles,… in order to learn and become strong and stable.
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silvery blue
ParticipantHello everyone,
I am afraid that the words “triggers”, “trauma”, “anxiety” are overused and missused these days (which is not the problem of this forum). But I’ve seen many videos where people try to avoid responsibility (during contact with the police, for example) and misuse this sensitivity to their advantage.
It’s a terrible shame that this has become a “culture” on social media (instagram, tiktok, …) and it has become a “trend” to have some psychological problems. No one realizes the harm it does to people who are really suffering, because there is a group of people who, thanks to this “trend”, cannot even stand someone saying they have trauma.
We wanted to talk openly about mental health issues, which is important! … But the media has escalated it again to the point where we are slowly but surely reaching a stage where people with real problems will be afraid to talk about it again, because mental issues have been misused so much that it is a “trigger” for a certain group of people… and only because they have been exposed to this “trend” on instagram/tiktok etc. too much…
I think this is a serious problem.
And about this forum…
I have to say that for me… the words that were said in the conflict that took place here in this forum… that people who have a different opinion are “invalidating” and continuing the work of a person who was truly cruel… are really hard.
I know that the moment of trigger can blind us and we say things we really don’t mean. I did it. I came back and apologized, because I felt I crossed the line… It makes the difference: see, understand and acknowledge my own mistake and apologize.
But… to be accused of being the same as an abuser for different opinions… on a public forum… and let it go silent… that can hurt a lot… and it can last long time…
I wish everyone would realize the impact their words have. And everyone would hold responsibility for their own emotions and triggers.
But I am accepting and forgiving. I don’t live in the past. I believe we can start right now and here again. β€οΈ I won’t be angry with people for being people – we make mistakes, it’s our nature. So, let’s learn and be more mindful and let’s try not to repeat the same mistakes again together.
Thank you for your thoughts here! It is very helpful.
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