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MichelleParticipant
Morning JHK,
I’m glad to hear our interactions have helped, your last few posts have seemed calmer for sure. Good to hear you sorted through the hiccups at work. Hope it continues to work out well for you.
What do you think about what Anita has posted – do you have similar struggles with other people? Whilst happy to help here when I can, there are also much better and easier ways to learn these kinds of social behaviours/meanings so you are better able to interpret for yourself in the future.
Anita. Yes, was aware of the patterns/difficulties, thanks for the input.
MichelleParticipantMorning JHK,
You are free to post as often and as much as you want to – it’s your choice. However, you will have noticed I’ll only answer new questions that are I believe are helpful. I do this as I think you are still misunderstanding the really important thing here – this is about you, your anxiety, not her or the relationship.
For example, say I give you a list of signs to look out for and then tomorrow you think she is doing 4 out of 10 of them. What would you actually do? Would you panic, text more, ask her what’s wrong, ask her not to leave you? How do you think that would turn out, given all we have discussed? Wouldn’t it be better to have already worked on yourself, understanding your anxiety and where it comes from – that way if the “worst” happens and she leaves you, you are still ok, you are sad to lose a friend but it is not the end of the world for you.
What do you think?
MichelleParticipantThe reality therefore is you have simply had an argument, later discussed it and cleared the air. It happens all the time in healthy relationships and is something you need to know how to deal with – without all this anxiety and overthinking on your part. It is your behaviour now that is the issue, not hers.
MichelleParticipantHi JHK,
You misunderstood the question – the conversations were sometimes a struggle before the misunderstanding – or only afterwards?
Read the article – what you need is to know how to handle it well if she does leave.
June 25, 2019 at 12:15 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #300641MichelleParticipantMorning Shelby,
Nothing like active baby-sitting to distract you!! For my 2p worth, I think it’s healthiest to get a balance of the sitting around and the actively distracting yourself. You need both I think, it’s not like you can supercharge through “getting better” just because you sit around and think about it a lot! Likewise just ignoring it all the time means you just jump into something else without being ready. So dealing with it in bite-size chunks, that seems best way to me. Enough to progress and deal with it, not too much so you sink down and can’t get out of the pit. In fact, I used to make damn sure I had something to do at least one night out of the weekend, come hell or high water or whatever!
It’s curious how the pain has got worse in your sad stage – nope, I’m defn not an orthopaedic anything but there’s some interesting research into how stress and physical pain are related, so maybe the bouts will be less severe as time does it’s thing. But I totally get if you are felling physically cr@p it’s way harder not to do the whole “why me” thing. Hang in there, I know it’s scary – it’ll pass like the other times, it will.
To be honest, I think a dating app would terrify me anytime, let alone when I’m in no shape of mind for anything like that. But ha, cereal shopping, like it – hmm, do I want healthy bran, good for me but dull or perhaps some childish but oh so tasty Frosties or should I go for a nice solid bowl of porridge….decisions, decisions…. seriously though, zero need to do anything you don’t feel ready for, both job/travel and relationship wise. Look at both of them as options you are investigating, when it gets scary – stop! Pick it back up when you are curious again. Try out some of the more inspiring style female travel blogs, they tend to be less about what you ‘should’ be doing, more about people doing something they love.
Hang in there and feel free to rant away. It’s storms down here again so I’ll be stuck inside decorating today and eating a pile of bread ( went on a workshop at the weekend – awesome great fun but have about 10 loaves of bread to get through! Happy neighbours and birds….! )
MichelleParticipantHi JHK
Have a read and let me know what you think – a lot in there matches the behaviour you describe towards her here so I think it will help you better understand to help yourself, although there is a lot there to take in.
I thought you said the conversations with her were becoming stagnant before the misunderstanding?
MichelleParticipantI think this will help;
http://www.wisemushroom.org/how-to-overcome-emotional-dependency/?site_agreement=yes
June 24, 2019 at 10:41 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #300541MichelleParticipantHey all,
How’s everyone doing? Shelby, did you get away – I think this is your week off right?? Hope you are doing ok anyway, enjoying it best you can. Kkasxo, still settling in and getting ready for the family leaving? All good here – seriously getting tempted to leave the UK again for some better weather but a decent weekend helped, found an awesome new brewery taproom just a 20 min cycle away…..oh dear….can see many sunny afternoons being spent there if we’re lucky!
V, I’ll apologies in advance in that I don’t remember much of the detail of your past relationship apart from it was very up/down, very volatile and didn’t seem to bring you a lot of joy. Sounds like you could do with some head space for yourself for a while, let alone jumping into another relationship before ready. Your thinking on love as control is going to make it pretty much impossible for you to let anyone love you until then. Is the control thing something you got from how your parents loved you, as in if you were ‘good’ and did what they wanted, they would love you. Or does it come from you wanting to control others if you love them, so you assume others will be the same to you.
Like everything, half the battle is figuring out what’s at the base of it all before you can heal it and move on with a much better chance of a great relationship.
MichelleParticipantIt is a good thing because a healthy relationship is good, it helps both people grow, it is something that brings them both happiness. An emotionally dependent one is not good, it stops people from growing.
People often lose trust when hurtful things are said to them. It takes time to trust that you have both learnt from this disagreement and will handle future disagreements better.
Why do you feel you are controlling?
MichelleParticipantHi JHK.
Good to hear you are better controlling the urge to text her, well done.
Yes, she is trying to create some distance between you – to go back to a healthy, normal relationship with you. A good thing.
You can’t force people to be close to you by trying harder. Usually has the opposite effect.
It can be difficult when your hobbies are activities that don’t involve others, how often do you see your other friends? Meet people outside of work? I ask because it is important for her to see you have other people in your life, other friends, not just her.
MichelleParticipantHey Kat,
It’s great you have a strong relationship apart from the physical side, congrats. So how long has it been this way? A drop-off from the early days is pretty normal and ‘enough’ is whatever works for both people in the relationship. When you say one-sided, I understand that as it was you always making the advances to start anything and once you stopped that, everything stopped? Why did you stop – did he stop responding? There are many ways to show affection and attraction, is he demonstrative outside the bedroom, lots of cuddles and the like but platonic? It just helps to understand more, if you are happy to share further.
It’s normal to want to feel attractive and it relates heavily to feeling wanted, so it’s not surprising you are tempted by other men if you aren’t getting that feeling from your husband. Thing is, feeling attractive is all about how you feel about yourself. So your size is irrelevant, if you feel sexy as you are, the energy you put out is one of someone who knows she is attractive, and so you are found to be attractive. Do you feel comfortable and sexy?
Since you have a strong relationship, it’s probably a good idea to have a chat with him about in a non-demanding way, see if there’s anything going on that’s stressing him out, it’s likely just that the two of you have fallen into a rut of comfortableness, he may be missing you just as much!
Hope helps.
MichelleParticipantMorning JHK,
So my view – you are still worrying too much about this and spending too much time focusing on it. Just look at how many times you have posted here in one day instead of going out, doing something else. You are often asking the same questions, repeating them, perhaps hoping for a different answer? She senses this, it is easy for her to see you are still anxious over repairing the friendship, still very emotionally dependent and focused on her.
This is why at this point any more texts or conversations about your anxieties have the opposite effect that you want – they show her you are still anxious, not trusting in the friendship to be strong enough. You need to show her instead how you can take care of yourself, how you can enjoy yourself without her, how you talk with other friends too. So when you do talk to her, it is about new, interesting things, no problem solving, no heavy emotional stuff. These actions will speak much louder than words to her, showing her you are ok. And so eventually, she will trust again that you are strong enough to have a healthy friendship, not an emotionally dependent one.
At that point and only then you will find you can begin again to talk about more in-depth, personal things as and when it makes sense. You are missing the connection with her that you had – it will take time to restore and from everything you have said about the situation, I think it can be but only if you can heal yourself first. For example, what did you do yesterday that did not involve you thinking about her? How did you work on your own self-esteem?
MichelleParticipantHey JHK,
I would agree with you that she needs her space more than you do. Good decision to stop texting her, I hope you managed it this time?
On your second point, it is hard to tell what she means without knowing the context, the wider conversation. She may well be trying to build a wall – I would suspect to create some space as so far you haven’t been that good at listening to her and giving her space when she needs it, so she is creating it for herself.
My view on what you should do you know already – work on giving her that space yourself, so she doesn’t feel the need to create it. Continue to stop the texting, the unhelpful conversations. Talk with her only about new things, things you have done that don’t involve her – these will comfort her that she is not your only support, help her know that you are ok and looking after yourself first.
Enjoy your day, back tomorrow.
MichelleParticipantHey JHK,
Sounds fine to me. She may well not reply if she doesn’t feel like getting into a longer conversation or if she doesn’t want to share her plans with you or if she’s making breakfast or if…….you get the idea, there are many many reasons why she might not reply. Your brain is just programmed to jump to the one you are worried about. As in I bet you do not worry like this if your other friends do not reply?
If she does, great. If not – it’s also ok. What you need to do now is not text her anymore today. If she wants to talk, the ball is in her court now. She will share when and if she wants to. More texts or heavy conversations from you won’t help her feel like doing so. So you need to figure out how you best enjoy your Sat without any more contact today.
I’m heading out now too – back tomorrow, hope you do manage to enjoy your day.
MichelleParticipantHey JHK,
I am assuming that your last texts to her were still light, friendly? She may text back eventually, she may not. Either way it is ok – not all texts need a reply and if it is just that you are texting too much for her, this is her way of telling you to back off, to give her space for a while. Mostly people are just busy, especially on a Friday night! I expect/hope she was out somewhere, enjoying herself, relaxing after a hard week at work. Hopefully you did so too.
What will not help is you texting more or re-opening the old emotional conversations. I know you still worry about it but this is your problem that you are trying to work on. In reality, there is no problem, you both made mistakes, you talked about it and agreed all was ok. The only reason to feel trust between you two is compromised is if you are still feeling angry at her, if you haven’t really forgiven her even though you said you have? Feeling that she hasn’t really forgiven you is just your insecurity talking, not reality.
Hope helps.
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