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MichelleParticipant
Hmm – difficult one to answer. The best way I would explain it is that your questions are unjoyful for her now, but they are only unjoyful because you are not feeling joyful about your relationship right now, if that makes sense. That’s why all the advice about holding off on the questions until you are back into a positive place. When you let fear/insecurity drive you, the results are never good.
You are missing how it used to be and want that back. For that to happen, absolutely, read and practice about improving yourself emotionally and mentally. Without a doubt your grandpa dying is going to have left you shaken emotionally too, especially if he helped you through tough times.
MichelleParticipantHey JHK,
Yes, you have understood correctly, your current actions with her are no longer joyful to her. And I agree, it’s not your curiosity why you keep asking but your insecurity, a lack of confidence in yourself and your attractiveness to her, as either friend or relationship. This is why even though it’s hard you need to try as best as you can to stop communicating with her on any of these emotional topics – post them here, pretend you have asked them out loud, whatever works to stop you sharing them with her. Because you are not going to get a magical answer from her that will take the feeling away – it will go away through actions only.
Trust me, I’ve been there – you can get the reassurance you need one day and it will last for a while but then the insecure voice comes back, whispering to you, but what about this, did they really mean that….I should ask straight away….to take away this worry…etc etc. I think you get the idea.
The way to tackle insecurity is to work on yourself. It is good news that you used to be positive – means you have some experience of it. You just need to find your way into increasing your confidence again, especially when dealing with women I suspect. We can help here and there’s a lot of good advice on where to start, looking after yourself physically and emotionally, learning to hear the insecure voice and then choosing to ignore it, knowing that not all thoughts are correct thoughts.
MichelleParticipantHey JHK,
So, that wasn’t the best thing to do, asking her if she is avoiding you. That is another emotional-based conversation, isn’t it. How did you think that would help at this point? If I was her, I expect she was still patient with you externally but internally thinking “here we go again….”
I know it is hard for you, but healthy friendships/relationships do not repeatedly try and discuss or raise the same issues when you have already discussed them, agreed them, cleared the air and forgiven each other if necessary.
Good relationships are not always discussing problems. She does not feel or think that there is a problem – it is only you who still feels like you have a problem. She does not see drop in communication between you as a problem because your communications are not something that brings pleasure or value to her now. This is why you need space and to communicate differently with her – about things that are not discussing your perception of issues between you.
I understand you are not content to leave it alone, that you are still worrying and puzzling about it. This is what you need to work on – by yourself, on here, or with other friends, not with her. You need to practice on conversations and actions that are positive.
MichelleParticipantHey JHK,
End of the week, even better. Sounds good to me.
All friendships/relationships go through phrases, you guys have been on a bit of an emotional rollercoaster for a while, so it’s completely normal to both take some time out and let that settle a little.
MichelleParticipantExactly – giving space means no contact, either in person, phone, text, facebook, whatever. Just space.
I’m glad you are feeling good about not texting today – well done. It will make a difference to you both and stop those stagnant non-conversations that were not helping you.
Something simple and non-emotional, mid-week or later sounds fine – even better if you have something new you have done by then to tell her about.
MichelleParticipantHi JHK,
You can do whatever you think is best, it is always your choice, nobody else’s. I am just trying to help you see how your actions may likely be interpreted, what the consequences of your choices may be.
If I understand you correctly, you want to write to her about your crush has gone and so you are friends again? Or do you mean something else? Either way – I would write nothing. There is nothing new to say on this subject, you have talked about it, before and you have forgiven each other. There is no need to reclarify or repeat what has already been discussed many times now. There is no need to feel guilty, you had no intention to hurt her and indeed she is no longer hurt.
Yes, your overthinking is affecting the friendship because it is affecting you. I hope you have continued to not get in touch today.
MichelleParticipantHey JHK.
Why would she feel awkward about your crush? It is simply you telling her that you like her – and her replying she understands but does not feel that way about you. You are friends, you have cleared the air about it and she has moved on. End of story there for her, nothing more to think or feel about. You are not who or what she spends her time thinking about.
But it’s not the end of the story for you. And that’s what you need the space for – it’s not for her, it’s for you. You need to work on letting your crush on her go, you need to start to practice thinking about other things in your life. You can spend all day thinking about her, this situation and it isn’t going to change it. There is nothing you can do to change it. Now save your friendship by stopping your overthinking and treating her like a friend, like your other friends.
Do you think you can manage not to text her or get in touch any other way today?
June 15, 2019 at 11:53 pm in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #299339MichelleParticipantMorning Shelby,
Ok….I won’t judge…..but y’know….Love Island….really….I’m depressed just at the thought of it 😉
Yeah, first time alone is hard, you are having to create a whole bunch of new “what do I do now”, both physically and emotionally. After all, you invested what, almost 5 years of your life in this guy so it’s going to take some time for your brain to give up it’s well-rehearsed thought train.
Most people when bored end up in a bad place, imagining and extrapolating all kinds of difficulties or disappointments, especially if used to thinking that way. Hey, even I can start thinking the irritating habits of my partner are too much and I’d better do something about it. But you know what, I feel it, I recognise it – and then I move on, knowing it’ll pass and it’s not what I think when I’m not feeling like cr@p. It’s why it’s so important to never make important decisions when you’re low – negative emotions are in the driving seat..
So the thing isn’t to avoid alone time but rather to figure out how to kick yourself out of it mentally after you’ve had a good wallow when you need to. It’s ok to feel sad, disappointed that part of your life, those hopes are over, it was a big investment of your time and it’s sh*t when it doesn’t work out how you want it to. But you know what’s absolutely amazing about that post and made me smile hugely – it’s the first time you’ve acknowledged there’s a tiny part of you that is excited to be set free, to be given a real chance of finding what you what. That’s awesome, big step stuff.
But did you notice just how fast your old fears clamped down on it though – with the same story running around your head “You won’t find anybody else, this is your lot, just accept it and put up with it, why do you even want more anyway, you should be grateful for this, how can you be so selfish to want more, to want something for yourself and by the way, don’t you realise that to do that we’re going to have to do some stuff that’s outside our comfort zone and you know how we feel about that….” I know it sounds a bit odd written like that but I guarantee that’s the script running around your head, knowingly or not, trying quickly to put out that flare of hope for better, for more.
So don’t just accept your lot, it’s not all you are, we both know that and Kkasxo will say the same. There’s absolutely nothing wrong saying out loud “Actually, you know what, I’m not content with my lot, I know there’s a lot of good in it but I want more and I’m going to try my hardest and do what’s in my power to get it!!!”
So make it your new mantra, change that old story in your head and then next time you get some time off alone after you’ve had your wallow you can can move on and enjoy your day instead,Love Island or whatever – we’ll be behind you and cheering you all the way!
Take care, hope your dinner goes well – I get off lightly here, just got to make a cup of tea when visiting my Dad later!
MichelleParticipantHi JHK,
I understand you thought you were simply summing up the conversation you had with her by text, I’m just trying to help show you how it could also be interpreted differently, as in “oh, he’s texting me again already even though an hour ago he said he wouldn’t do that”.
I am sorry about your loss of your grandpa, it is very difficult, losing someone close to you. So I can understand your anger towards this woman for not being there for you the one time you asked her for help. It is good and healthy to be able to express the anger and disappointment, if done in a clear way.
Yes, a crush is one-sided. That is why you are feeling and acting one way and she is feeling and acting differently, she has no crush or romantic inclination to you. You can see this even in your last conversation where she makes it clear she is not affected by your crush on her.
What do you feel guilty about?
MichelleParticipantHi JHK.
Ok, so you spoke to her after all..
So, my honest take on the very well transcribed conversation. You do well for the first 10-11 lines, up to when you repeat about let’s take space ( J: let’s take some space from each other, maybe a few days perhaps, Y: Actually there isn’t a need to, but I am fine with it).
At this point, she has already said she is fine with it and smiled at you understanding the need for it. So there was no benefit in repeating it again, it would have been a good point to finish the conversation and move away or onto something more neutral, light.
You can see the conversation change from there, in that she is telling you she is not affected either way, with or without space. She is telling you that your actions do not really matter to her, same as it does not matter if you do or do not have a crush on her. She is unaffected by you, your actions, your feelings – she knows she is not responsible for them, you are.
Why did you feel the need to text her the same information after you had finished talking? That is immediately going against what you said about giving her space, isn’t it.
Having a crush on her is not wrong, feelings are just feelings. But she does not need to return them. Yes, other guys will be looking at her as an attractive, single woman and I’d suggest she may very likely go out with them or this other guy you have mentioned previously. That is normal too, not something to have anxiety about. You can be disappointed and upset she does not return your feelings, does not have a crush on you, but not anxious – two different things.
Sorry to hear about your grandad, were you very close?
MichelleParticipantAnd I meant to add – I know you will find it hard not to text her. If necessary, put your phone away and go for a walk outside, do something else. Don’t give in to the feelings that are probably yelling at you right now to text her, to get in touch and share this. It’s your fear talking. Be patient but firm with yourself on this one.
MichelleParticipantI wouldn’t. Actions speak louder than words here, remember. By not contacting her, you are doing that, giving her space. I would suspect another text may be interpreted as just more emotional contact right now.
It doesn’t mean avoiding her at work at all costs – just not seeking her out, either in person or by text right now.
MichelleParticipantHi JHK,
Yes, from how I read your situation from what you describe, I would say she is finding you draining. It is why you feel like she is avoiding you, because she knowingly or unknowingly is doing so and why even your colleague has noticed it.
I think what you perceive as caring for her is being interpreted by her differently, rightly or wrongly. The thing to do is not to panic about it, not to start worrying you must do more to correct this, to get things back to how they used to be. What you need to do instead is to do less. Less unhelpful contact, give her space. Be supportive of her needs – but only when she asks for support.
If you feel she didn’t say all she wanted to, I would suspect it was because she knew those things she wanted to say would hurt you. Most people will avoid hurting others unless necessary.
MichelleParticipantHi JHK,
Less interaction by itself is not a bad thing, it is a natural thing, no need to worry about that. I would definitely stop with the daily texting without purpose, very draining for both of you. My thinking is she is smiling less as the interactions with you have become draining too, often emotional. You both need some space to heal by yourselves. Wait for her to initiate the next conversation and then share that one here if you like.
I see you posting a lot on here, trying to puzzle this out and always focusing on her – so I do agree you should try to focus less on her and more on yourself. Think about what else you enjoy doing and try to spend some time doing that. Who else do you talk to apart from her?
June 15, 2019 at 1:59 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #299253MichelleParticipantHey Shelby,
Ha, not sure about the guru status but defn a travel nut, yeah. No worries – how did the exams go btw, hope you are feeling good about them – when do you find out the results? Fingers crossed for you! Had a pretty good last few days over in Wales, got one more walk in and a brewery tour on (one of the many…) rainier days, which turned into a fun afternoon in their brewery tap bar with a lot of new friends 😉
Weekend off sounds…like about time!! Yeah, I tend to agree you need to make the most of your time off when you get it so going away for a short break somewhere sounds good to me, doesn’t need to be expensive. For example, I was sent an offer for 5 nights in Marrakesh for £84 yesterday from one of the travel sites alerts I used – sadly it was for Nov when we’re away in SA else would have jumped on it! But you see what I mean, good deals are out there and you could always try out one of the house-sit gigs in the UK/Europe for a really cheap break. You can search them without signing up, only need to join when you want to apply to one. Cheap flight deals try SecretFlying and the like, TravelZoo and Fly4Free both have regular good deals too. Think about it as a good investment in practicing for your bigger trip later…!
And at the risk of starting to sound like a travel blog, when trying to narrow down your location, remember the so-called “shoulder” seasons are your best friends. Think, less crowded, less expensive but still decent weather and not closed down.
Then your basic first choice is which way you fly, as in West for North, South, Central America/Mexico/Canada etc or East for Asia/Oz/NZ. Or South for Europe/Africa. If you end up only going for three weeks, is there one place you’d really want to make sure you got to, something you’d like to see? I’ve found often it’s more about the whole slow travel experience that you can structure around one thing you’d really like to see/do. Any historic time period in particular you are more interested in?
I can go on – and probably will at some point 🙂 but see where you get to and I’ll merrily help more. In the meantime, it’s really heartening to hear how well you are handling being ghosted – it is a strange feeling indeed when you no longer hear from someone you thought you’d spend forever with. I’m really really proud of you, which I know is odd for someone I’ve not met but I think you’ll get what I mean. It’s good to hear just a little bit of excitement from you for something else, something for you. He really doesn’t deserve any more of your investment and I know you are going to be just fine and dandy.
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