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    SereneWolf
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    I’d like add to feeling my emotions, I’ve been rationalizing a lot, Like Ā a tendency to disassociate myself a lot, whether through daydreaming or activities. So, I rationalize so much that I reach a point where I don’t know if my own rationalization is a way for me to disassociate too. And also, I have to try to understand much more how I have to feel, than what I’m feeling, because I don’t know what I’m feeling, so any conclusion of “which feelings makes more sense at this moment” would be my feeling right now.

    And like when I was in therapy she told me something similar like you said she mentioned that this kind of existential crisis that happens is a form of rationalizing ā€” of having to make sense and rationalize my emotions by relating it to others– as opposed to when you cry because you’re sad or you’re laughing even when things are scary. she told me to feel my emotions when they come, and to not repress myself when I’m feeling upset because “it is better to feel yourself now than build unhealthy mechanisms and hurt yourself and others in the future” and I repressed myself for many many years as you know

    #434467
    SereneWolf
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    Salute Tee,

    I hope your health is getting better?

    Does it mean youā€™re planning your trips and explorations outside of India as well? Or the bucket list includes India only, and then you plan to settle somewhere abroad?

    Obviously bucket list includes the Worldwide places. Mainly Europe and Southeast Asia though. Some South America and few places in USA.

    Ā 

    What you are describing is a very beautiful idea: to find your true self on your travels, and be one with mother nature and the universe. And if in that state of Being, you find someone who clicks with you and can Be (herself) alongside of you, thatā€™s what youā€™re actually hoping for, right?

    I just want to juxtapose this idealistic, romantic view with the idea of casual sex and ā€œsee ya senoritaā€, which you mentioned as a preferred approach during your travels. You cannot meet ā€œthe oneā€ ā€“ who might be written for you in the stars ā€“ if you engage in casual sex with random girls you meet on your travels. You also cannot meet ā€œthe oneā€ while in deadly fear of intimacy.

    So you would have to choose which path to take. The path of trust (in the universe, to bring you closer to ā€œthe oneā€), or the path of fear, where you opt for casual sex and no strings attached.

    Yes like I said intentions matters. And Iā€™m not travelling just for casual sex. But let me give you an example what I mean, Like if I met some girl during my journey we hit it off at first, We kinda start dating and explore places together might even physically involved. But after sometime Iā€™d find out that Iā€™m still not feeling that connection & warmth with her as Iā€™d like in a relationship even If I donā€™t let my fear of intimacy come in between. In that case what Iā€™d do? Force the connection? Or just appreciate moments with her and move on?
    and In that case physical involvement would described as casual sex? Again, Itā€™s not a need but I noticed that these things happens in the moment. Because it happened with me in the past.

     

    In fact, when you meet ā€œthe oneā€, youā€™ll want to be attached to her with as many strings as possible, and for as long as possibleā€¦ so actually, to be attached and bonded to the right person is a good and beneficial state of Being. It is called true love. But it cannot happen if you are afraid of those ā€œstringsā€, i.e. of attachment to someone who deserves your love.

    Yes thatā€™s what Iā€™m thinking! Like I believe she will make attached to her yet it would feel so natural. It wouldnā€™t feel like Iā€™m giving her the control to hurt. But more like hereā€™s my lil heart I trust you to take care of it and there would be no fear. Just thinking about making me go full of joy haha

    Ā 

    In this case, your being on guard was justified because you saw the behaviors you donā€™t like (some of what you mentioned is: childish, angry, drinking, smoking, sending confusing vibes). So there was a reason to be on guard and not follow your emotions, even if she seemed exciting and mysterious at first.

    So thatā€™s cool that you didnā€™t throw away your rational mind but included it in the decision making. Because we need both the heart and the mind when deciding about important matters, including matters of the heart.

     

    Thanks, and Iā€™m not regretting it. Because I want to be around the woman who make me feel like yeah good woman do exist.
    Although itā€™s same for woman though, I keep hearing from my female friends that there hardly good man left on earth lol

    What I was warning you about is not to stuff down your emotions in general, even if you meet a girl that you like and whose behavior doesnā€™t raise red flags. When things are fine, and she seems fine, but then the fear in you awakens, and you start pretending like you donā€™t care.

    I remember that with the doctor, you failed to write to her during your entire stay at your parentsā€™ place, which was for more than a week, if I remember well? She was upset about it, and Iā€™d say rightfully ā€“ because you were officially in a relationship.

    I donā€™t know what you felt about her, but if you failed to write because you didnā€™t want to seem needy and like you cared too much ā€“ thatā€™s a defense mechanism. Thatā€™s when your avoidance stems not from proper discernment, but from fear.

    So I just wanted to make that difference.

    Yeah youā€™re right about that that was my mistake and I guess at that time I unconsciously just played around relationship game listening to one of my female friend. But I wonā€™t make that mistake again. Clear communication is very important in every relationship. Romantic or Friendship. But to update you on that one nowadays I reduced my communication with friends a lot. And I only talk to one of my female friends who is quite younger than me so it kind of also helps because she make me remember my teenage days and what silly and fun things we used to do.

    Ā 

    Yes, you can allow yourself to feel, but you also donā€™t need to switch off your rational mind. Like, you are not completely swept off your feet that you throw away all common sense through the window. But I guess there is a little probability for the latter, since being careful, rational and on guard is your default ā€œsettingā€ šŸ™‚

    Haha thatā€™s what you think for my current ā€œsettingā€? But yeah something similar I guess

    So I am encouraging you to keep using your common sense, also when it comes to romantic relationships. But also not to give in to fear if there is no real objection to the girl, but you suddenly start feeling trapped and you want out. Because thatā€™s the fear speaking, not common sense.

    Also, I think it would be important to express if something is bothering you about the girl. For example, if she is always late, you can say ā€œI donā€™t like that you are always late. Iā€™d appreciate if you arrived on time.ā€

    Yes exactly instead just being angry or using the silent treatment. Like I need to express whatā€™s really bothering me.

    Because if I understood you correctly, you have difficulty with expressing when something bothers you. You rather take it a danger signal and start withdrawing immediately, and shutting down vulnerability (as a part of your fearful avoidant attachment), rather than talking to the girl and expressing what is bothering you.

    Because she might not be doing it on purpose, but because she isnā€™t aware that it bothers you. And she would be willing to change that behavior if she knew it bothers you.

    But if you donā€™t say anything but start feeling resentful, you sort of circumvent vulnerability, because admitting that something bothers us is vulnerable. Because we might be rejected or ridiculed or told that we are too sensitive. We might be accused to being weak if we admit that something bothers us.

    Something very important! So does that mean even though I feel like I donā€™t need that person, Unconsciously just the fear of rejection or want for the acceptance makes me stop being vulnerable?

    I actually stumbled upon a book because of the YT called Courage to be disliked itā€™s already on my reading list.

    So I guess expressing our boundaries makes us vulnerable in a way. But itā€™s a must for communicating clearly and remaining emotionally intimate ā€“ remaining both true to ourselves (authentic)Ā andĀ open towards the other person.

    So we donā€™t betray ourselves (and our needs), but we also donā€™t withdraw from the person. We express what we need. Thatā€™s how emotional intimacy is maintained.

    Definitely and that balance is something Iā€™m struggling with

     

    So I guess a part of the exercise of allowing yourself to feel your emotions, is not only allowing yourself to feel excitement about a girl, but also to feel angry and hurt about something that she is doing, that you donā€™t like.

    Agree and those bad emotions what I was trying to reject but it was there

    You donā€™t suppress your anger and pretend itā€™s not there (because thatā€™s what you were doing in your first LDR), but you express what is bothering you. And then if you see they keep doing it again and again, with no regard for your feelings, and itā€™s something that is important to you, you may want to consider whether you want to be with that girl or not.

    Understood.

    So in general, allowing yourself to feelĀ allĀ emotions, not stuffing them down, is the way to go (of course, you donā€™t need to show your raw emotions to everyone. But feel them and acknowledge them ā€“ for yourself).

    BTW feeling all emotions is the way to decide what we want. Without being in touch with our emotions we cannot make good decisions.

    That was even scientifically proven by a neuroscientist Antonio Damasio. He discovered that in patients who had a specific brain injury, due to which their neocortex wasnā€™t receiving signals from their limbic and reptilian brains (our emotional brain), the person lost interpersonal skills, the ability to read social cues, as well as the ability to make decisions. Which means that we need emotions to know what is good and bad for us ā€“ we cannot rely only on our rational mind.

     

    That’s very interesting and I think thatā€™s also has to do something with naming our emotions? Because lot of times I would be feeling lot of different things at the same time so journaling and naming and then acknowledging those emotions?

     

    If you go to youtube and search for ā€œCrappy Childhood Fairy Daily Practiceā€, youā€™ll get several useful videos, including the one titled ā€œFREE Course: The ā€œDaily Practiceā€ for Healing Childhood PTSD and CPTSDā€œ. In the description of that video is the link to the free ā€œDaily Practiceā€ course. Which is basically the way to journal about your emotions. You write about things that you are afraid of and things that you are resentful about. So basically you journal about your fear and anger. And lots of good stuff comes out of it šŸ™‚

     

    Thanks for sharing! I checked it out and I think I did try that before as well but I didnā€™t sticked to this habit. Now Iā€™ll try to. And it does work very well I remember that. I also took an online CPTSD test again and the score is 38/80
    0-32 = None-low
    33-80 = Likelihood of CPTSD
    also checked again for ADHD test. It says Mild ADHD but I feel some of ADHD symptoms are quite bothersome

    And because of that Iā€™m thinking about starting Bullet Journaling

    BTW I hope I am not burdening you with these ā€œtractatesā€ (because I see this ended up being a looong post again). I sometimes tend to go overboard in trying to explain my point šŸ™‚ Anyway, let me know if I should cut down a little šŸ™‚

    Itā€™s fine as long as youā€™re okay with it. Just take care of your eyes and back too haha

    #434174
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    Oh wow, congratulations! Iā€™ve checked the Statue of Unity (didnā€™t even know about it), and oh my, itā€™s 182 m high, which is almost double the height of Statue of Liberty! Must admit, itā€™s not that beautiful :), but it is impressive, for sure. How did you cope with the high temperatures that were measured in India recently?

    Yup itā€™s not that awesomely beautiful statue. But that man helped the India how it is now otherwise it would like Europe now. So many countries. Sardar Patel made all the small and medium size to big states sign the treaty to join India. Thatā€™s why itā€™s called statue of Unity.

    It’s starting of the Monsoon season here, and actually because of the heat I decided to move to a city with a better weather. (Iā€™m already in train as Iā€™m writing this)

     

    Thanks, my back is now behaving a little better fortunately, so itā€™s the knee that is giving me the most trouble. I hope itā€™s temporary and not some big setback.

    Ah I hope so too. Try to have more calcium rich food it may work.

    Ā 

    Does it mean youā€™ll be living like a digital nomad, working remotely from various places, not having a fixed address? And for how long are you planning that?

    Yes. Iā€™m planning to live as a Digital nomad as least for 2-3 years. Until I finish my travel bucket list. After that Iā€™ll decide where I want to stay. Like good and peaceful place for a family to grow. As of now India doesnā€™t seem like it for long term.

    So is that what you have in mind for your next phase? Or how exactly do you envision your love life in the next phase?

    Thatā€™s a hard question to answer. And you may still think that Iā€™m being too much hopeful. But I think love of my life will just come. If itā€™s written in my destiny she isnā€™t going anywhere. Weā€™ll meet when the time is right. So, I donā€™t have like a foolproof plan for how to find love during my travel journey. But just a hope that itā€™ll happen.
    During the journey my work wouldnā€™t be finding love, but try to find my own self. Enjoy the mother nature. Be in the present and know that Iā€™m part of this big ever-changing universe.

    I also know that during my journey Iā€™ll also meet lot of people and Iā€™ll create lot of connections. So who knows it could be one of them? Only time will tell.

     

    Well, if you didnā€™t miss her, why were you angry that she is playing games with you and sending you confusing vibes?

    Because she said stuff like that and then acted like nothing happened.

    Ā 

    This doesnā€™t sound like you didnā€™t really care about her. It sounds like you care, and you are hurt and angry that she is playing hot and cold. But you pretended not to care, by replying sarcastically: ā€œwell, whoā€™s stopping you to contact me?ā€ You didnā€™t express your vulnerability (e.g. you didnā€™t say ā€œI miss you tooā€), or your upset, by you pretended not to care whether she writes or not.

    Yes because like I said Iā€™m being logical and seeing the end result here? Why should I put energy into those things If I donā€™t want go deeper into that relationship? I donā€™t even like her that much.

     

    Thatā€™s why I asked you to be honest with yourself. To acknowledge your feelings ā€“ not necessarily to her, but to yourself. To acknowledge that she did stir interest in you, that she does seem mysterious and exciting in a way, and that it doesnā€™t feel good when she is playing games with you and playing with your feelings. But also, that you donā€™t like her drinking and smoking and I donā€™t know what else you object to.

    Okay youā€™re right about this. I kept shutting up myself like shut up sheā€™s not your type so donā€™t hype up about her, donā€™t think about her. Donā€™t get excited. But yeah, reality is she did stir interest in me a lot At first. Now that interest is faded. After knowing she keeps repeating her mistakes. Sheā€™s quite childish and angry and no improvement in her even after years of therapy. And itā€™s not just about her in this. But Iā€™m being selfish here. Why should I put time and energy for this? Sheā€™s older than me. She knows whatā€™s right and wrong. Iā€™ll just let her be. Because if Iā€™m in her or not it wouldnā€™t make much difference.

     

     

    Perhaps write it all down: everything you feel about her. Like in that exercise by Anna Runkle (youtube channel ā€œCrappy Childhood Fairyā€, her ā€œDaily practiceā€ exercise).

    So what I am suggesting is to be more honest with yourself about how youā€™re feeling. Donā€™t share those emotions with her ā€“ donā€™t show your vulnerability to her ā€“ because she might not deserve it. But be honest withĀ yourself, allow yourself to feel those emotions, donā€™t stuff them down immediately.

    Youā€™ve been stuffing down your emotions for so long, and now itā€™s time to let them flow ā€“ to feel them. I think you now have the capacity to let them flow through you and not be overwhelmed. Youā€™ve grown a lot in the recent years and developed that capacity.

    Remember, you are allowed to feel those feelings, and you donā€™t need to hide them, because neither your mother or your father are watching you. You can feel whatever you feel, and thatā€™s okay.

    And as I said, you can start writing down your feelings, to make them more contained and less all over the place. Itā€™s something you do only for yourself, for your own healing.

     

    Thanks, youā€™re right this is something also I really need to work on. When something like this happens, I just deny my feelings, Like what? This canā€™t be me. So I should be more honest with myself and accept that itā€™s okay to simply allow those human emotions. Itā€™s normal.

    I think there should be some good journaling course. Because there are times when Iā€™m able to write down what Iā€™m feeling but sometimes if Iā€™m overwhelmed with lot of emotions at once itā€™s not easy to put it on paper.

    And no I wonā€™t be vulnerable with her. Like you said because I feel like she doesnā€™t deserve it.

    #434144
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    I am not doing that well, since some old health issues (knee problems) resurrected again, which have magically disappeared in the last 1.5 years, since Iā€™ve been suffering from back pain. Well now they are back, so now I need to start dealing with that tooā€¦aarrghā€¦ I hope itā€™s temporary though and will get betterā€¦

    Ohh I’m sorry to hear that. Knee and back pain, both. That’s hard to deal with. I hope you find the strength to deal with that pain. Try to rest as much as you can and don’t push yourself too much. I hope your pain eases up soon.

    To get to the essence, I understand your point of view. But are you suggesting me to find someone and have a committed relationship just when I started my travelling journey? Like I mentioned I don’t want LDR again.

    I mean I know as a good mentor you’re trying to point out the things and without facing that fear maybe there wouldn’t be true healing. Because all this time I just tried to tip my toes in the river instead of actually diving in and start swimming.

    Before I wasn’t very clear , But now I know that my real fear is being vulnerable with someone I try to be intimate with. That’s something I need to work on.

    But question is should my priority right now should be only working on relationships? or my self esteem? Or the sense of feeling good enough?

    I also wanted to mention that I started reading the book from the Vex King, Good Vibes, Good Life: How Self-Love Is the Key to Unlocking Your Greatness. Only read few pages (Because my focus span is still ain’t good) and I’m enjoying it.

    So would you like to be FWB with this new girl? Have you told her that? Because as far as I know, you refused a regular relationship, but you didnā€™t tell her youā€™d like FWB, right? You werenā€™t really ā€œclear and straight forwardā€.

    Like I said I don’t want to continueĀ  with this girl. We’re not enemies so we can talk sometime and that’s about it. Because even for FWB I have some ground rules that I follow and she doesn’t meet that area. FWB for me is more than casual sex. and I talked to my friend who warned me about her and she said she have many options so maybe that’s why she be playing games like who wins and I don’t want to be a part of that game. and I don’t understand what’s wrong in telling “well if you miss me, why donā€™t you write more?” Because I didn’t missed talking to her that much.

    I’ll write second part later on.

    #433933
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    I don’t know why quoting isn’t’ working as it should be. But I’ll try to come up with a fix next time.

    #433932
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    Hi Tee,
    How you doing?

    Sorry for little late reply.
    I finally started my travel journey! Yaaaaay!
    I started with worldā€™s tallest statue, Statue of Unity. It was so much fun.

    It could be that if they donā€™t pick up immediately that something is bothering you, you feel unseen by them, and you conclude that your needs donā€™t matter to them, and that they might hurt you (maybe itā€™s not even conscious but unconscious reasoning). And from that moment on, you are on guard and you start distancing yourself.
    If so, it means that a minor slip on their part leads to a major danger alert going off in your subconscious mind. And so you switch to defense mode, where you are on alert for being hurt. And in order to prevent being hurt, you preemptively withdraw and stop being open and vulnerable. This is what might be happening.
    The reason for that is the old trauma, which causes you to make a big deal out of a minor issue. And to put up your shields.

    Okay I think this is moderately accurate. I do think thatā€™s what might be happening

    What happened in your childhood is that your mother didnā€™t really care about your emotional needs: she didnā€™t care if your fatherā€™s anger outbursts hurt you. Moreover, she told you to accept it without any resistance. She basically told you your emotions donā€™t matter (in this case fear and anger), and that you should be able to control your anger and pretend that itā€™s not there. She told you that you should silently take the verbal ā€œbeatingsā€ and be a good, obedient boy.
    In other words, your mother didnā€™t have much regard for your emotional needs. She didnā€™t let you have boundaries. Or to be rightfully upset for being mistreated. And it felt horrible. It felt like a prison. It felt so horrible that you left home at the age of 17.
    She didnā€™t let you set boundaries, and so you didnā€™t get the chance to learn how to set boundaries. The only way to protect yourself from being invaded was to leave. To remove yourself from the situation/relationship completely.

    Again accurate. Because boundaries felt like Iā€™m being disobedient. Not a ā€œgoodā€ in their perspective. So it was nearly impossible for me to put my needs first than that others.
    Like okay I started travelling yet somewhere Iā€™m feeling guilty Iā€™m not spending time with my siblings and family, specially my sister since she gave birth to a baby boy. even though I spent 3 months at my hometown. They told me to stay and like take care of my sister but still just listening to my grandpa nowadays boils my blood heā€™s old and sick so I donā€™t like to disrespect so I just wanted to leave. I did whatā€™s good for myself. I raised my voice. Yet still I feel guilty for that.
    I had to told them even though Iā€™m doing a remote job. I need lil more peaceful environment to focus on work and at home I canā€™t do that.

    So this is I think whatā€™s happening: in a romantic relationship, when you feel that the person doesnā€™t care about your needs ā€“ and it could be that even a minor thing can trigger such a feeling ā€“ your knee-jerk reaction is to want to leave the relationship. Even if you donā€™t leave physically, you start withdrawing emotionally, and the intimacy is lost for you. Intimacy is not an option any more.
    So instead of working to repair the relationship ā€“ and maintain emotional connection and intimacy ā€“ you put a stop on intimacy. You block it. Even if you stay in the relationship, you stay in a self-defense mode, with your shields up (weā€™ve talked about the shield/armor around your heart).

    Hmm I see. Good analysis. I think itā€™s like the sergeant you mentioned before. Once heā€™s aware that thereā€™d be an attack. All he thinks about is war. Not peace.

    And I think one aspect of this self-defense mode is the superiority/inferiority dynamic, where you feel less vulnerable if you can feel superior than your partner.
    In the relationship with your father, you felt inferior and never good enough. It seems that with a romantic partner, you never want to feel that way: worthless, unlovable, not good enough. And so you either avoid relationships altogether, or if you opt for a relationship, you want to feel better than your partner. Because thatā€™s how you feel safe(r) from her criticism.

    Yes and also because of that my self esteem went lower so like even if I get women out of my ā€œleagueā€ (It happened most of the time, Physically or career wise) Iā€™d just question my worth like how did I get this kind of women? She way better than me thereā€™s no way this is gonna be long term. Sooner or later sheā€™d know that sheā€™s somehow ā€œbetterā€ than me and sheā€™d obviously choose something better and leave. And I think thatā€™s where superiority/inferiority dynamic is happening. and because of that I mostly tried keep on edge and improving myself like lil better than her.

    I think thatā€™s why you also want to perfect yourself as much as possible before getting married:
    [I said] Maybe loving hard also means that you need to work hard to be lovable? That you need to be successful, so she would love you (ā€œshe can always find a rich husband but a for a guy, he got to be something goodā€)?
    [you replied] Kind of yes I guess like trying to perfecting the relationship and my partner too.
    I imagine itā€™s because the idea of being stuck with someone who criticizes you all the time (such as a criticizing, judgmental wife) is unbearable.
    But I think also the idea of being stuck with a woman who is full of faults, who is unaware of her issues and refuses to work on herself ā€“ is equally unbearable to you:

    Yes Exactly
    I just donā€™t want to deal with the women who arenā€™t even self aware about their traumas and not actively working on it. Because effort is something that really attractive to me. Kind of a priority.
    In your last post you said the girl should be similar to you:
    I donā€™t think that some damaged people but hmm more like someone I can resonate with a little, Not too much different from me so it would be easier to open up for me.
    Putting all this information together, it seems to me that your perfect partner is someone who has similar issues, i.e. someone who similarly like you doesnā€™t feel good enough and wants to ā€œperfectā€ herself.

    Ah right Eureka moment haha! You right she kind of ā€œFulfilā€ those criteria and thatā€™s why I felt good with her

    Now this latest girl has issues as well, possibly some similar to yours (anger), but overall, she has bigger issues than you in terms of mental health. She also seems interested in working on herself (she has been in therapy for 4 years), which is a must for you.
    So right there youā€™ve got 2 potential attraction points: she has similar but greater issues than you, and she is (at least in theory) interested in self-improvement.
    You also said she is mysterious:
    I think I was curious because she seemed little bit mysterious at first. ā€¦ She smokes, sheā€™s dramatic and her anger is always on the edge. I tried to understood why sheā€™s the way she is and I noticed that itā€™s just her coping mechanisms, At heart sheā€™s kind and loving woman.
    It could be that you were intrigued by her anger (because it reminded you of your father), and started hoping that underneath her anger you might find a ā€œkind and loving womanā€. So she would be someone similar to your father, and yet different: someone who appears rough and angry on the outside, but is actually kind and loving underneath. This might have been a hope and the excitement that your inner child felt in the presence of this ā€œmysteriousā€ woman.
    Maybe I got carried away too much here. But in any case, I can see why you were intrigued by her, even if she appears the ā€œopposite of what you likeā€ (another friend told me how she is opposite of what I like).

    Yes that could be also the thing. But nowadays who wants to show their true self? She mentioned few times how hard it is for her to open up and being vulnerable. But she makes me angry too. Like on Weekend she texted like She missed talking to me. I replied whoā€™s stopping you? and then she replies me for that 2 days after with a funny IG reel. And I have much better things to do than focusing on someone like her who isnā€™t sure of anything and changes colour like a chamaeleon. Like Iā€™m exhausted with dating games. Like if itā€™s a Yes or no. and confusing vibes. With Casual I can at least be straight forward and clear like hey Iā€™m working on myself and I canā€™t commit with you for a full fledge relationship but I wouldnā€™t mind spending a good time with you if youā€™re okay with it. I want clear and straight forward things. NO BS. That way thereā€™s also good possibility of gaining a friendship first which is must having a good time or like you know not feel alone since weā€™re all social creatures. And from friendship thereā€™s also good possibility of deepen the relationship if things go well. Because I know my intentions are good and Iā€™d prefer the same from her. and another pattern that I noticed is that if I’m good friends with a person I’d try be vulnerable with them more easily

    But just because this recent woman which I barely talked to her for like 2 weeks. We canā€™t say that Iā€™m attracted to troubled people. Can we? But yeah sheā€™s more troubled thatā€™s for sure.
    Well, you were attracted to a troubled person in the past (your first LDR), with whom you stayed for more than 3 years. And you said she was your best LDR.
    Maybe I am looking too much into this, and I apologize if I am talking nonsense. But still, hereā€™s what I am thinking: perhaps the reason why you considered her your best relationship is because she fulfilled the 3 criteria that I listed above: 1) similar but greater issues than you, 2) openness (at least declarative) to self-improvement and change, and 3) openness to being coached/helped by you, as someone who is ā€œfurther alongā€ on the self-development journey? Perhaps these are the ā€œattraction pointsā€ that make you fall in love with a girl?
    Please note: this is just an assumption. Think about it, and see if it resonates at all. If yes, then itā€™s kind of a formula of how you fall in love, a formula which is more or less based on self-defense. It doesnā€™t really allow for intimacy and vulnerability.
    Let me know what you think. And I apologize if I went overboard with my assumptions and analysis.

     

    I like the word ā€œFormula of How I Loveā€ and no you didnā€™t go overboard and I request that you do. Iā€™d prefer a brutal honestly.
    I mean it may have been somewhat true in past but I think now my formula of love has been changed. Or I at least have to meet someone so I can experiment/explore about this further.

    But I thought about it a lil and let me tell you things what kind of women attracts me the most or like kind of feeling of melting for her (Is that similar to love?)

    Similar life values & Someone who have the same priorities so we can support each other in our goals/shared goals
    Honesty & Trust ā€“ For me Love comes after those two things
    Feeling of Unconditional love ā€“ I know in past and also from my childhood I mostly felt ā€˜Conditionalā€™ love. So I want to have proper feeling like what actually feels like when a person loves you unconditionally.
    I want to mention that in my 1st LDR I did feel unconditional love but not the level of reassurance that Iā€™d like with that so it was a shaky feeling

    Kind to others (Specially animals)
    Empathic (Thanks for making me realize value for being empathic)
    Have some passion
    Creativity ā€“ I know Iā€™m not that much creative person but I absolutely admire various kind of arts. So l like Art (Woman) creating an Art? How awesome is that? Another thing Is that I donā€™t know if its true or not but I think creative woman would be better at expressing her emotions. Something I can learn from her
    And above all someone who values of words and even more the actions. Because again Efforts are sexy. Show me how you love instead of just saying things.

    I know relationships arenā€™t about transactions. But Iā€™m expecting these things because I know I can provide those things.

    #433615
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    Hope youā€™re having a good weekend.

     

    Iā€™ve watched another video by the same psychologist (Heidi Priebe), where she goes into a great detail explaining the main features of the fearful avoidant style. The video is 1 hr long, and itā€™s calledĀ 10 Signs You May Have A Fearful-Avoidant Attachment Style.Ā She herself used to be fearful avoidant, so thatā€™s her specialty and she knows a lot about it.

     

    First of all thanks a lot for putting that much time for me. Youā€™re a truly good mentor and supporter. Itā€™s good that if she herself used to be fearful avoidant she definitely has more insights.

    I also watched the video you suggest and I do think Iā€™m leaning towards more avoidant style

     

    Anyway, I watched it and recognized similar features that you shared about your own behavior in relationships. Here are two signs of the fearful avoidant style that she described, which I think youā€™ve expressed too (her bullets are expressed in the ā€œyouā€ form, so I am keeping that form):

    1. You crave intimacy but fear commitment

    2. You want other people to be vulnerable before you are

    Yes I agree I can resonate with both of the points and again leaning more on avoidant side

     

    In the following, Iā€™ll paraphrase what she said about each of these signs:

    1. You crave intimacy but fear commitment

    The false belief (based on their childhood experiences):Ā to be in a relationship means to give up my independence and my sense of selfĀ to give endlessly of myself to the other person.

    Fearful avoidants like people and intimate connections, but they are afraid of losing their sense of self in the relationship. So they make a deal with themselves: ā€œIā€™ll go into the relationship, Iā€™ll get that hit of intimacy and a sense of connectedness, but then I am going to pull back and Iā€™m not going to enter this relationship long term, because to be in a relationship long term means to lose my sense of self. So Iā€™ll sacrifice my sense of self for a while, to get the intimacy I need and crave, but then I pull back because I canā€™t bear to lose myself on the long runā€.

    They donā€™t realize that one can keep their sense of self and still be deeply emotionally connected to another person. They engage is merging with the other person, but at the expense of losing themselves, which is painful. So the fearful avoidant only feels comfortable in relationships when there is an expiry date. The idea of a long-term commitment, even to someone they really love, is terrifying.

    (end of paraphrase)

    You too expressed this same notion of losing yourself in the relationship, and completely focusing on the other person and their needs and wants:

    Sometimes I canā€™t say No to a person even though Iā€™d like to say No. ā€¦ I really fear disappointing them.

    In relationship I care too much and even if theyā€™re little careless about their health or things that affect them or make them worry it makes me worry 3x times more and I canā€™t focus on my things.

    In relationships I just loose myself in the process because over caring and overthinking about partner. And it affects my mood and even the sleepā€¦

    If I even notice even a little that what I suggested made them uncomfortable I wouldnā€™t hesitate to change my plans just to see them not disappointed.

    The above are the examples where you lost yourself in the relationship and started caring not to disappoint your partner, not to want anything for yourself. You also started overly caring about her physical and emotional well-being, to the point of getting enmeshed and not being able to focus on your own stuff, and even losing sleep over it. That was happening in both of your LDRs, if I remember well.

    So thatā€™s the ā€œhardā€ love that you want to avoid. The enmeshed, self-denying love, which is I guess the anxious part of your personality.

    No wonder you donā€™t want it. You get exhausted in such relationships. And then you go back to being alone and restoring your independence:

    I donā€™t like being even partially ā€œdependentā€ on someone or affected by them. It could be because I like to control (Itā€™s lot better than before but still) but not being controlled. Because I prefer some things should be my way. And It should be without judgements.

    Like I know Iā€™m in touch with my inner child and I still do lot of things that an adult actually doesnā€™t do like I turned into a kid when Iā€™m with kids, Different kind of bicycling, Singing and dancing for no reason (Lot of times while cooking, Watching Anime and Cartoons and lot of things like that). And I kind of fear they would judge me for that and not actually understand.

    When I asked you what you wouldnā€™t compromise, you said:

    I think my freedom and ability to do whatever I want.

    Also ability to go wherever I go. Itā€™s like a parent would be like donā€™t go to hike there itā€™s dangerous out there and then even after she said no and Iā€™d go I feel guilty.

    But the problem is when this independence turns into total self-reliance, which is the opposite extreme of enmeshment. Which again isnā€™t a healthy state. And so the goal, according to this psychologist, and I agree with her, is integration.

    Whereas now you might be prone to suppressing your emotional, overly reactive and needy part (the one that goes into enmeshment), youā€™d need to acknowledge it and give it more room for expression. For example, dare to speak up if something bothers you about the personā€™s behavior. Donā€™t suppress your frustration and pretend that you are so very tolerant and understanding (which you used to do in your LDRs, if I remember well). Set boundaries. Express your likes and dislikes. I donā€™t want to go into details in this post, but setting boundaries and expressing your dislikes would be the way to integrate your emotional, reactive part.

     

    The second feature of the fearful avoidant style, which I think also applies to you is:

    1. You want other people to be vulnerable before you are

    This is what Heidi Priebe says about it:

    People with fearful avoidant style do want emotional intimacy, but they also fear getting hurt. They are quite guarded, even if they are warm, empathic and engaging. They ask a lot of questions, but they donā€™t share too much about themselves (specially not the vulnerable parts). They are good listeners ā€“ they make other people comfortable and safe to express themselves and talk about deeper things. But they donā€™t want to share similarly deep about themselvesĀ until they are sure that the power dynamic is tipped in their favor.

    Thatā€™s because they believe that people are naturally inclined to hurt and betray each other. They donā€™t trust people. So the only way they are willing to open up and share vulnerable information about themselves is if they are sure that the other person is ā€œworse offā€ than them, i.e. has bigger weaknesses than them. Or that the other person is more in love with them than they are with the person, and so the other person has more to lose than them.

    The fearful avoidant is always evaluating: whatā€™s the likelihood that this person is safe for me to open up to. But their indicators of safety are not that the person is warm and kind and comforting, but itā€™s more likely to be something like: ā€œthis person has already shown me all of their cards, so now I can flip over mine, knowing that their issues are bigger than mineā€.

    People with fearful avoidant style usually donā€™t pursue, but wait to be pursued. Because pursuing/chasing someone requires vulnerability, which fearful avoidants donā€™t want to show.

    (end of paraphrase)

    You talked about not wanting to be too vulnerable with your partner (in your LDRs). You also mentioned feeling inferior (at least in the beginning) with the doctor. And you were attracted to troubled people, whom you perhaps unconsciously saw as weaker, or with more problems, than yourself.

    So perhaps the tendency to get attracted to problematic girls is a part of this need to not feel judged by your partner, because you kind of feel ā€œbetterā€ than them, and thus safer from their criticism and their ability to hurt you (which would be a defense against the wound your father inflicted upon you, criticizing you for your ā€œweaknessesā€ and your ā€œimperfectionsā€). I am not claiming this, but it is a possibility.

     

    Anyway, it seems to me you do fit some of the features of the fearful avoidant style. And the good news is that it can be healed ā€“ via integration. Integration of the emotionally reactive, angry and needy part (which you are perhaps ashamed of and want to keep hidden from people) into your main personality. By allowing yourself to say No and have boundaries, basically.

    Let me know how all of this sounds?

    Those are very good insights so thanks for pointing that out and the thing is that Iā€™m trying to create a healthy boundaries but most of the time what is still happening that If I get a minor inconvenience or feel like theyā€™re not respecting my boundaries even once or twice I distance myself from them and after that I kinda feel much less connected to them. Because something I really hate is repeating myself so like if I get vulnerable with them and say look this is whatā€™s bothering me so it would be better if you be aware next time. And after that they still do that the respect I have for them starts to fade. Because Iā€™m very strict when it comes to other peopleā€™s boundaries. And not in just romantic relationships but friendships as well.

    And the thing is that itā€™s draining for me.

    About the angry part I think Iā€™m getting better like the recent things I told you Iā€™m not suprassing my anger like before.

    But the needy part? Thatā€™s kinda hard I hate to kinda express people I need them. It does feel better when I know that I can be dependable (Not 100%) but to be honest in all this time life kept gave me reminders that I can only depend on myself so thatā€™s why that part is hard for me. I do have some good friends but if I think deep enough I feel like really donā€™t want to be vulnerable with them that much. Does that mean I need friends? And I donā€™t think that some damaged people but hmm more like someone I can resonate with a little, Not too much different from me so it would be easier to open up for me.

     

    Also about the troubled people part, I donā€™t actually see them weaker like I said I stopped that kinda comparing while ago. But yeah maybe subconsciously. And I also agree with her on the Power Dynamics because thatā€™s what I did in the part. I liked control. But just because this recent woman which I barely talked to her for like 2 weeks. We canā€™t say that Iā€™m attracted to troubled people. Can we? But yeah sheā€™s more troubled thatā€™s for sure. And nowadays who isnā€™t troubled more or less everyone is troubled. Everyone is trying to fight their demons and heal. I just donā€™t want to deal with the women who arenā€™t even self aware about their traumas and not actively working on it. Because effort is something that really attractive to me. Kind of a priority. Because I did noticed that when I donā€™t see efforts I also lost interest quite fast. One of the reasons why I broke up with one of the Best LDR I had. Because I felt like I was the only one putting the efforts there. and that’s why in 2nd LDR I sensed like I don’t want to deal with the same thing because I felt like she wouldn’t even put the effort more than the previous one. so I broke up with her as well. and now I’m not interested in LDR at all. and now I crave physical intimacy more than anything. Hand holding. cuddling, kissing and just playful activities together etc.

    #433352
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    Hey Tee,
    Thanks for sharing. I’ll watch the video and share my thoughts with you.

    #433319
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    I think doctor was able to get really close to my heart. But there was fear of intimacy. fearful avoidant attachment style you know.

    and I guess also part that I wanted something more again because I did enjoyed when we doing different things together. But then I got bored and after that because of the job anxiety I totally ignored her.

    #433318
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

     

    So the doctor didnā€™t touch your heart? Or she did, but she wasnā€™t able to break down the walls in your heart?

    You see ā€“ itā€™s not about the woman. Itā€™s about you. If you fear (either intimacy, or losing something good and hurting afterwards), then you will keep those walls up, even if itā€™s the best thing that ever happened to you.

    If fear prevails, no woman will be able to break down the walls of your heart. The person who needs to do it is you.

     

    Yes I know it’s about me. and when talking to one of my friend after a while I think there could be some different thing playing role in this. I thought I had just mild ADHD but it I think it increased to moderate. Because my dopamine levels would low most of the time and I would keep seek novelty. That’s why maybe I’m just getting more curious at first and then when there’s no novelty like I know enough I get bored and move on to next

    #433317
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    You nailed it! You pinpointed the main problem: his too high expectations and immediate criticism, instead of allowing you the time to learn things (and having patience and empathy with you). And he was like that since your childhood. No room for mistakes and a demand for perfection, or else he was quick to get angry.
    And I loved that you were so self-confident with him: telling him that you are obviously going to do it well. Yes! Thatā€™s the spirit! You didnā€™t feel less then, or not good enough, but you confidently told him that yes, you can do it, you are able to, you just need a little bit of time to get the hang of it. Perfect!

    Thanks! I think Iā€™m finally able to start working on my new identity shift

    So your mother behaved the same way as she did in your childhood: trying to pacify you, so you wouldnā€™t provoke him. She wanted you to walk on eggshells around him, so he wouldnā€™t explode in anger. Basically, she was appeasing the bully (and trying to control you, his victim).

    How are you feeling today? Still good or there are some doubts or feeling of guilt, or anything like that?
    So for that matter itā€™s like 10 days now. And I think thereā€™s no feeling of guilt. Although My father does started to tell my mom (Not to me or my brother directly) that weā€™re not obedient like before. We siblings talk back a lot. And My mother still just listens to that. But she did told me that if you think itā€™s hurting you then speak up I didnā€™t speak up in all these years so I donā€™t speak up or just rarely.

    It seems the inner protector ā€“ the inner Uncle Iroh ā€“ has activated himself in this latest encounter with your parents. Do you still feel the presence of this positive inner voice?
    Hmm I think Yes. But because of his patterns I knew what heā€™s going to do so I sorta decided that this time I wonā€™t be silent Iā€™ll speak up. So I guess Inner voice helped me to stand up for myself?

    Yes, you do have your own voice, which can speak for you and defend you from attacks. I think itā€™s wonderful that you experienced that you are actually able to defend yourself and stand up for yourself. And this gave you a sense of power. Because if you can stand up for yourself, you are powerful. If you can say No to abuse, you are powerful.
    Simply knowing that we have the ability to protect ourselves (from other peopleā€™s abuse, unreasonable demands, unfair expectations etc) gives us enormous inner power.
    Yes! Thanks for the reminder

    Yess! That was a great success ā€“ your dream come true, and something you have been longing for a long time. And you made it! So yes, that too proved how powerful you are: because you can achieve your goals and dreams.
    Yes actually this is a big point for my identity shift because of my past failures I was considering myself as a failure

    Okay, it could be that some ā€œrewritingā€ of your childhood experiences happened in this very encounter with your parents. Because in this encounter, youā€™ve got the experience of standing up for yourself and speaking your truth, and not allowing to be silenced and guilt-tripped into obedience. If you still feel good about it, without doubt or guilt creeping in, then some ā€œrewritingā€ has happened for sure.
    Yes I definitely think so, and there are some other ā€œrewritingsā€ are needed to remove the old beliefs

    Is there a part of you which still expects validation from your parents (and grandparents) that you are making good choices? Like, you know that you are right, but a part of you is still doubting it?
    No I donā€™t think I need validation from them.

    Do you feel that you still donā€™t believe positive things about yourself? That even though you receive praise from other people, you still have a hard time believing it?
    Perhaps now 2 voices are vying for dominance in your psyche: one is your newly found confident voice with which you just spoke to your parents. And the other is the ā€œgood oldā€ (actually bad old) inner critic, caused by years of criticism and telling you youā€™re not good enough?
    Yes I think maybe itā€™s that. How to tackle that and make the newly found voice stronger?
    Iā€™m slowly starting to believe about some positive things about myself but I do still have kind of inferiority complex even though I donā€™t compare myself to others

    You mean you are not longing for external validation? But you also feel that your inner ā€œvalidatorā€ is not strong enough?
    Yes Exactly

    What exactly do you feel you are missing right now?
    Thatā€™s the thing. Iā€™m not sure sometimes I feel like I need to befriend with myself so I donā€™t feel alone or just self-sabotage and waste time

    #433316
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    Don’t know what happened, Maybe some error so I’m posting again
    <p style=”text-indent: 12.25pt; line-height: 19.2pt; background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Hi Tee,</p>
    <p style=”text-indent: 12.25pt; line-height: 19.2pt; background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>You nailed it! You pinpointed the main problem: his too high expectations and immediate criticism, instead of allowing you the time to learn things (and having patience and empathy with you). And he was like that since your childhood. No room for mistakes and a demand for perfection, or else he was quick to get angry.</p>
    <p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>And I loved that you were so self-confident with him: telling him that you areĀ obviouslyĀ going to do it well. Yes! Thatā€™s the spirit! You didnā€™t feel less then, or not good enough, but you confidently told him that yes, you can do it, you are able to, you just need a little bit of time to get the hang of it. Perfect!</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Thanks! I think Iā€™m finally able to start working on my new identity shift </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So your mother behaved the same way as she did in your childhood: trying to pacify you, so you wouldnā€™t provoke him. She wanted you to walk on eggshells around him, so he wouldnā€™t explode in anger. Basically, she was appeasing the bully (and trying to control you, his victim).</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>How are you feeling today? Still good or there are some doubts or feeling of guilt, or anything like that?</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So for that matter itā€™s like 10 days now. And I think thereā€™s no feeling of guilt. Although My father does started to tell my mom (Not to me or my brother directly) that weā€™re not obedient like before. We siblings talk back a lot. And My mother still just listens to that. But she did told me that if you think itā€™s hurting you then speak up I didnā€™t speak up in all these years so I donā€™t speak up or just rarely. </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>It seems the inner protector ā€“ the inner Uncle Iroh ā€“ has activated himself in this latest encounter with your parents. Do you still feel the presence of this positive inner voice?</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Hmm I think Yes. But because of his patterns I knew what heā€™s going to do so I sorta decided that this time I wonā€™t be silent Iā€™ll speak up. So I guess Inner voice helped me to stand up for myself? </p>
    <p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, you do have your own voice, which can speak for you and defend you from attacks. I think itā€™s wonderful that you experienced that you are actually able to defend yourself and stand up for yourself. And this gave you a sense of power. Because if you can stand up for yourself, you are powerful. If you can say No to abuse, you are powerful.</p>
    <p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Simply knowing that we have the ability to protect ourselves (from other peopleā€™s abuse, unreasonable demands, unfair expectations etc) gives us enormous inner power.</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes! Thanks for the reminder</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yess! That was a great success ā€“ your dream come true, and something you have been longing for a long time. And you made it! So yes, that too proved how powerful you are: because you can achieve your goals and dreams.</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes actually this is a big point for my identity shift because of my past failures I was considering myself as a failure </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Okay, it could be that some ā€œrewritingā€ of your childhood experiences happened in this very encounter with your parents. Because in this encounter, youā€™ve got the experience of standing up for yourself and speaking your truth, and not allowing to be silenced and guilt-tripped into obedience. If you still feel good about it, without doubt or guilt creeping in, then some ā€œrewritingā€ has happened for sure.</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes I definitely think so, and there are some other ā€œrewritingsā€ are needed to remove the old beliefs </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Is there a part of you which still expects validation from your parents (and grandparents) that you are making good choices? Like, you know that you are right, but a part of you is still doubting it?</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>No I donā€™t think I need validation from them. </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Do you feel that you still donā€™t believe positive things about yourself? That even though you receive praise from other people, you still have a hard time believing it?</p>
    <p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Perhaps now 2 voices are vying for dominance in your psyche: one is your newly found confident voice with which you just spoke to your parents. And the other is the ā€œgood oldā€ (actually bad old) inner critic, caused by years of criticism and telling you youā€™re not good enough?</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes I think maybe itā€™s that. How to tackle that and make the newly found voice stronger?</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Iā€™m slowly starting to believe about some positive things about myself but I do still have kind of inferiority complex even though I donā€™t compare myself to others</p>
    <p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>You mean you are not longing for external validation? But you also feel that your inner ā€œvalidatorā€ is not strong enough?</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes Exactly </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>What exactly do you feel you are missing right now?</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Thatā€™s the thing. Iā€™m not sure sometimes I feel like I need to befriend with myself so I donā€™t feel alone or just self-sabotage and waste time</p>

    #433315
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    <p style=”text-indent: 12.25pt; line-height: 19.2pt; background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Hi Tee,</p>
    <p style=”text-indent: 12.25pt; line-height: 19.2pt; background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>You nailed it! You pinpointed the main problem: his too high expectations and immediate criticism, instead of allowing you the time to learn things (and having patience and empathy with you). And he was like that since your childhood. No room for mistakes and a demand for perfection, or else he was quick to get angry.</p>
    <p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>And I loved that you were so self-confident with him: telling him that you areĀ obviouslyĀ going to do it well. Yes! Thatā€™s the spirit! You didnā€™t feel less then, or not good enough, but you confidently told him that yes, you can do it, you are able to, you just need a little bit of time to get the hang of it. Perfect!</p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Thanks! I think Iā€™m finally able to start working on my new identity shift. Also grateful because of you šŸ˜€</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So your mother behaved the same way as she did in your childhood: trying to pacify you, so you wouldnā€™t provoke him. She wanted you to walk on eggshells around him, so he wouldnā€™t explode in anger. Basically, she was appeasing the bully (and trying to control you, his victim).</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>How are you feeling today? Still good or there are some doubts or feeling of guilt, or anything like that?</p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So for that matter itā€™s like 10 days now. And I think thereā€™s no feeling of guilt. Although My father does started to tell my mom (Not to me or my brother directly) that weā€™re not obedient like before. We siblings talk back a lot. And My mother still just listens to that. But she did told me that if you think itā€™s hurting you then speak up I didnā€™t speak up in all these years so I donā€™t speak up or just rarely. </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>It seems the inner protector ā€“ the inner Uncle Iroh ā€“ has activated himself in this latest encounter with your parents. Do you still feel the presence of this positive inner voice?</p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Hmm I think Yes. But because of his patterns I knew what heā€™s going to do so I sorta decided that this time I wonā€™t be silent Iā€™ll speak up. So I guess Inner voice helped me to stand up for myself? </p>
    <p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, you do have your own voice, which can speak for you and defend you from attacks. I think itā€™s wonderful that you experienced that you are actually able to defend yourself and stand up for yourself. And this gave you a sense of power. Because if you can stand up for yourself, you are powerful. If you can say No to abuse, you are powerful.</p>
    <p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Simply knowing that we have the ability to protect ourselves (from other peopleā€™s abuse, unreasonable demands, unfair expectations etc) gives us enormous inner power.</p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes! Thanks for the reminder</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yess! That was a great success ā€“ your dream come true, and something you have been longing for a long time. And you made it! So yes, that too proved how powerful you are: because you can achieve your goals and dreams.</p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes actually this is a big point for my identity shift because of my past failures I was considering myself as a failure </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Okay, it could be that some ā€œrewritingā€ of your childhood experiences happened in this very encounter with your parents. Because in this encounter, youā€™ve got the experience of standing up for yourself and speaking your truth, and not allowing to be silenced and guilt-tripped into obedience. If you still feel good about it, without doubt or guilt creeping in, then some ā€œrewritingā€ has happened for sure.</p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes I definitely think so, and there are some other ā€œrewritingsā€ are needed to remove the old beliefs </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Is there a part of you which still expects validation from your parents (and grandparents) that you are making good choices? Like, you know that you are right, but a part of you is still doubting it?</p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>No I donā€™t think I need validation from them. </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Do you feel that you still donā€™t believe positive things about yourself? That even though you receive praise from other people, you still have a hard time believing it?</p>
    <p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Perhaps now 2 voices are vying for dominance in your psyche: one is your newly found confident voice with which you just spoke to your parents. And the other is the ā€œgood oldā€ (actually bad old) inner critic, caused by years of criticism and telling you youā€™re not good enough?</p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes I think maybe itā€™s that. How to tackle that and make the newly found voice stronger?</p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Iā€™m slowly starting to believe about some positive things about myself but I do still have kind of inferiority complex even though I donā€™t compare myself to others</p>
    <p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>You mean you are not longing for external validation? But you also feel that your inner ā€œvalidatorā€ is not strong enough?</p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes Exactly </p>
    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>What exactly do you feel you are missing right now?</p>

    <p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Thatā€™s the thing. Iā€™m not sure sometimes I feel like I need to befriend with myself so I donā€™t feel alone or just self-sabotage and waste time</p>

    #433073
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    Ciao Tee,

    This week ended like blink of an eye and I didn’t even worked that much. It’s Friday again, Your heath is getting better? Have you tried any ayurvedic things?

    If you want a wake-up effect, then I guess Latte would be a poor choice, at least for me it is, because all that milk puts me to sleep rather than waking me up šŸ™‚ Thatā€™s why I said, Latte is comfort food for me šŸ˜€

    Haha I think even little caffeine should work. Too much caffeine isnā€™t good for the person who isnā€™t consuming caffeine daily. Donā€™t you think?

     

    Yeah, same with my mother. No words of encouragement, no praise ā€“ that too spoils the kid. It was a kind of a Spartan upbringingā€¦

    Spartan Upbringing I like the words you used. So that makes us warriors? I guess so lol

    Well, she didnā€™t have an affectionate mother herself, so she didnā€™t really experience love and affection. But the saddest part is that she thought highly of her mother and never allowed any criticism of her. Even though her mother was a very critical, strict and cold parent.

    My mother even blamed herself for not being a good enough daughterā€¦ so there was never even a glimmer of awareness about how bad effect her mother had on her. And unfortunately, due to that lack of awareness, she never worked on her own healing and only transferred her trauma on to me (which is how generational trauma happens).

     

    Ohh I see. Itā€™s like putting hands on your eyes and then tell others that youā€™re blind. And the another thing is that if she thought that she wasnā€™t good enough daughter, didnā€™t she thought that now I have my own daughter I should raise her right that so she would feel good enough? Generational trauma sucks and I can see it in my family and Iā€™ll be the who will break the generation trauma in our bloodline

     

    Hahahaā€¦ thatā€™s quite a unique way to express affection. I thought he was checking whether you have fever or not šŸ™‚ But if you feel he wants to be closer to you nowadays, but only knows how to do it in clumsy ways, well, that counts too šŸ™‚

    Yeah he doesnā€™t know how to show affection. I kinda had a same problem in my first ever relationship but I think now itā€™s much better. I hug my siblings often. My mother and grandma and even some relatives.

     

    Yeah, could be. I think Acts of service and Quality time is also whatā€™s important to him, actually to both of us. And Words of affirmation too. Neither of us is big on gifts though, or going out to dinners and special occasions. So we more or less speak 4 love languages, and the 5th isnā€™t important to either of us šŸ™‚

    Haha surprisingly very similar to what I had with my Long term LDR girlfriend. Mine was also Acts of service and Quality time and after that other love languages Ā and gift werenā€™t important for either of us.

    Ā 

    Oh my! Your real uncle is your Uncle Iroh then!! Thatā€™s amazing! To have such a loving and caring elder ā€“ someone who appreciates you so much and trusts you ā€“ thatā€™s such a blessing.

    You should learn from him about relationships! Because you said he married out of love, to a good, smart woman. Which means it is possible, SereneWolf. He is your proof.

     

    Thanks, we do meet less though. Although because of this I feel like his father doesnā€™t like me. But my uncle told me to ignore that.

    And Yeah heā€™s big on relationships. Business and personal both. I also admire my aunt. Their love is really awesome. They studied together and then dated for like over 7 years they already decided that they want to get married and just before 2 months of the engagement he had a bad accident and he lost his leg (now he has a artificial leg and he walks fine). So my auntā€™s parents said we donā€™t want this wedding to happen. But my aunt was firm and she said that no matter what happens Iā€™m going to marry him. And against her parentsā€™ decision she married to him which is quite a big thing for a woman here. And her own parents didnā€™t talked to her for over 3 years.

    Ā 

    Oh, so sheā€™s not only smoking, but also tends to drink a lot. She has anger issues but it seems she uses alcohol to ā€œsootheā€ her pain. And she likes to vent a lot and fume, but itā€™s only like letting out a bit of steam from a pressure cooker ā€“ she is not really working on healing her issues.

    About healing the issues. Hereā€™s the fun part. Sheā€™s on therapy for over 4 years

     

    This is similar to what you were doing in your LDR ā€“ caring about the girlā€™s health and that she is getting proper rest, is eating well etc. So this is the same kind of ā€œsaviorā€ behavior with this girl too. And this girl is trouble, similar to your first LDR.

    So beware of that ā€“ that you might get sucked into another savior kind of relationship, where you want to ā€œparentā€ a troubled girl, who doesnā€™t really want to go to therapy and work on her issues. Perhaps now you would be a more compassionate and understanding parent, because youā€™ve worked on yourself, but nevertheless still in a parental role. And thatā€™s not a good recipe for a relationship.

     

    No. I think youā€™re misunderstanding. First thing is that I donā€™t even count her as my love interest. Thatā€™s why I said it was kinda puppy love feeling for me because maybe I felt lonely and we talked a lot. Another thing is that I never even had a friend who smokes and drinks that much they lose their senses. So I get really worried like what if something happens to her?

     

    Thatā€™s good! It seems you are attracted to problematic girls, whom you want to help improve, and thatā€™s a part of the excitement you feel about her. So be aware of thatā€¦

    Hmm really? Because itā€™s been a while, I didnā€™t even had proper interaction with the woman. Including the latest one I only talked to her over the phone and texting. And Iā€™m not attached to her anymore I think I was curious because she seemed little bit mysterious at first

    Ā 

    Okay, so she was able to accept you as you are, with all your good and bad sides. You didnā€™t need to pretend with her. And you could vent to her, and she would listen. It didnā€™t overwhelm her. But you see ā€“ you didnā€™t feel that ā€œtensionā€ and excitement with her that you feel now with this latest girl. And it could be because she didnā€™t need fixing. You even felt a little inferior to her (I remember you mentioned that).

    Yes I did felt inferior at first but after a while I was quite comfortable with her. There was physical and even some romantic attraction but I didnā€™t continue with her because of my fear. Like if something good like this would end, Iā€™d feel so much hurt so I didnā€™t let her too close to my heart

    So perhaps she was intimidating because you felt not good enough for her? And this one ā€“ the problematic girl ā€“ doesnā€™t feel intimidating because you feel better than her? And so you feel safe?

    No judgment here ā€“ I am just asking those questions, so you could get to the bottom of the problem. Because I am seeing the same pattern as before, and perhaps now is the time to become aware of the pattern and try to break it (or rather, heal it).

    I mean like I said I stopped comparing a while ago and I donā€™t see her as better or worse than me. And Iā€™m not sure about pattern either because for pattern I need to actually go out and date someone donā€™t you think so? Iā€™m getting bored of phone and texting.

    Ā 

    It seems that caring, empathic girls donā€™t really attract you in the romantic sense ā€“ but you only stay friends with them. And then they find a guy and move on. And you are left alone. It seems like self-sabotage. A good girl, capable of emotional intimacy, isnā€™t attractive to you romantically. Because you are afraid of that deep vulnerability, which comes with a romantic relationship. So yeah, it all seems to be a part of the same pattern.

    Ohh no no I think Iā€™m really craving a caring and empathic woman, Even in a romantic sense, If you remember I felt like I had a feeling that I want someone to baby me. And itā€™s not like they move on, But itā€™s obvious thing that theyā€™re gonna spend more time with their partners and then talk to me about what they did. Because thatā€™s what friends do?

    I do get attracted a women capable of emotional intimacy. But that part is true that I do fear the emotional intimacy.

    Ā 

    Think about it in the light of what Iā€™ve said above. You want some closeness, but not real closeness. You want to stay on the surface.

    Hmm agree with this

     

    Because when you fall in love, you fall in love with problematic people, which drain you (like this latest girl has the potential to drain you). And of course, you donā€™t want such a relationship.

    But the biggest problem is that you are afraid to fall in love with healthy people. With whom you could experience a healthy, fulfilling relationship.

    No the thing is when I fall in love, I get obsessed and all in, thatā€™s why I always try to control myself not get attached. Like I said I need to learn slow and soft love. Not hard and fast.

     

    Yeah, you want to be like a sailor, having a different woman in each port šŸ˜‰ But you know itā€™s not the solution, SereneWolf. Itā€™s an escape. So think about it. Your own uncle managed to have a loving, committed relationship. And he knows what love is. Soā€¦ give it a thoughtā€¦.

    Lmao! Youā€™re making it sound spicy! šŸ˜‚ But yeah Iā€™m aware itā€™s an escape. But with a ray of hope. What if during my journey I meet someone who is really able to touch my heart and able to break down the walls in my heart? Or is that too much hopeful thing to think?

    Because I think if I travel and do the activities that I love there will be similar women around who values those things. You see what I mean?

     

    #433042
    SereneWolf
    Participant

    Oops I forgot to change the Name.

    Hi Tee!

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