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DinaParticipant
Good Morning Susan,
I wanted to start by saying this: you’re not crazy. Your feelings are warranted and very real to you. These are not feelings of a crazy person! These are feelings of someone who is hurt and wants answers.
I read the whole chain, the comments between you and Anita, and I also found myself wondering if there must be something else going on his life. Some other type of crisis he needs to figure out on his own. It doesnt sound like he has only shut down from you, but has also shut down from family and friends. Clearly the breakup is painful for him, but I think there is something else there. Something else he is trying to understand about himself. I would bet anything that he is not entirely sure why he broke up either. He fought for a long time, and I think something must have made him crash. Something in his own life back home. Something you had control over.
I know this next piece of advice is significantly easier said than done, but here are my two cents. I think you need to decide for yourself that this is over. Stop holding out hope that it may work out because he’s not communicating and you will simply be left miserable with a mind swimming of unanswered questions. It may be easier to move forward in life if you make the choice for yourself. It’s possible he will come back later in life with answers, as so many in difficult situations do, but the only way that can happen is with a complete break. In my experience, the tighter you try to hold on to someone who is suffering, the more they push away. I want to give you an example of my own life.
I once dated someone who I was madly in love with. We were so compatible and everything seemed wonderful, but all of a sudden one day he changed. He became distant and accusatory. I had no idea what had changed in his life, and he was too proud to admit it to me. All I knew is that he was treating me differently, out of the blue, for reasons I could not understand. One day, seemingly out of nowhere, he accused me of cheating on him, and shortly after broke up with me. He then told me he was too depressed about circumstances in his own life to bring pleasure to another person. I was heart-broken, upset, and could not understand why he wouldnt let me work through this with him. So, I left him alone. After some time he came back and asked for a second chance.
My point here is not that he came back, but that the break happened over something that was not in my control. The point is, sometimes you just have to let people figure it out. Yes, he told you a piece of it was your controlling nature, but this had been happening since the beginning, and he decided it bothered him at a very strange time: right as things were about to finally move forward. My hypothesis is that there is some kind of commitment issue there. Some fear of the relationship becoming a huge scary reality.
I hope this helps. I know how hard these things can be and I’m rooting for you 🙂
DinaParticipantHello J,
Im so sorry you are going through this. I know hard difficult a lost friendship can be. However I do feel the need to ask: why was this person ever your friend? I dont hear you say once in this article good things that came from this friendship. The point of friendship is to add quality and companionship to your life. Friendships should never be forced or exhausting. Of course people occasionally fight or disagree, but if someone is constantly irritating you, making you feel bad about yourself, what is the purpose of having them in your life at all?
Clearly there are a lot of hurt feelings here. It sounds to me you were both incompatible as friends for each other, and that is an okay thing to recognize. Much like one would advise you in a relationship, I would suggest you cut ties. When you continue to call your ex, all you do is continue to hurt yourself. It’s easier to let them go and move on with your life. Think about it. Is there really any explanation he could give you that would make you feel less angry? All youre doing by being angry is hurting yourself. While you sit there reeling in anger, he is out living his life. I suggest you do the same. Move on. Make better friends. Enjoy your life. It’s just too short to spend on someone who makes you this unhappy.
I hope this has helped at least a little bit. I do understand how it feels. I have lost good friends in the past as well, and sometimes it still bothers me. But at the end of the day, I know having them in my life was significantly worse than living a life without them.
January 27, 2016 at 4:22 pm in reply to: Anxiety/Overthinking ruining my relationship.. On verge of break-up #93991DinaParticipantHi Again Adam,
How do I get over what he’s done in the past? Honestly I think the only reason I tend to hold onto things is when I’m unsatisfied with the answers I’ve been given. So generally, I tend to ask questions and discuss something until I am comoletely satisfied with my understanding. Past that, you just have to recognize that holding grudges hurts noone as much as it hurts you. Being angry at someone takes a lot of energy that can be spent elsewhere. I know, easier said than done, but by looking at things through that perspective, I’ve been able to let things go much easier because I think to myself “noone should have this big of an impact on me but myself!” 🙂
I think you are calmer without her because you able to put the discomfort out of your mind and not face it. When she is with you, you remember how much you love her, but then you again faced with the past. I really, truly believe you need to learn to let go. It’s very difficult to do, but it will help you in all your relationships (friends, family, etc). If someone does something despicable that you simply cannot forgive (like cheating or intentionally hurting you), then I can understand not wanting them in your life. However if they have apologized already and you care for them, best to let it go and move forward. If you cant move forward, there is no way the relationship will be able to grow. So ask yourself, can you let this go? Is she worth that to you?
DinaParticipantThanks for the advice Anita 🙂 This is actually also advice I received my therapist and am still working towards today!
DinaParticipantHey dfh,
I understand your plight and sympathize. It sounds like a very difficult situation. I know what it can be like to not have friends (I moved to a city recently). However, I think thats why its even more important for you not to date this person. Not only has she told you she is not ready to date, but dating her would leave you without friends. Perhaps she has called you less because she is concerned you are not willing to be just friends, and are not giving up on the relationship aspect. She may very well like you, but being a 25 year old working single mother is hard, and I actually applaud her for recognizing it is not the time in her life to date. She is not in the same place as you are. You want stability and a wife and kids and a family. She is trying to support her child and become a stable mother on her own. Bringing someone else in is too difficult right now and you should respect that.
If you truly want her friendship, I would suggest calling her and telling her that you are 100% happy with the friendship and would like things to go back to the way they were. Then, you need to join meetups, sports, pretty much any kind of social activity you enjoy. Age group doesnt matter. Just get yourself active and social. I think you need some social stability in your life before you can even consider a relationship. And who knows, the more people you become friends with who do activities you enjoy, the more likely it will be to find like-minded potential women to date 🙂
January 27, 2016 at 11:30 am in reply to: Anxiety/Overthinking ruining my relationship.. On verge of break-up #93960DinaParticipantHi Adam 🙂
Your first reply to me made me smile this morning. It’s so nice to know that my advice has helped, even if in just a small way. I’m happy to help in any way I can.
So let me try to address all your questions. I believe in the first post you asked me how I was able to overcome my insecurities.
Let me start by saying that letting go of someone because it would be the easiest option is not a great idea. I have gone that rout in the past, and unfortunately all this does is allow you to start over and get yourself in a cycle of giving up over and over again. You need to find a way to work with people unless they display a deal breaker (such as purposely hurting you, being violent, committing crimes, etc). Relationships will have bumps every time you are in them. The key is communication.
But to answer your more specific question, I wouldnt say I’ve gotten over my securities. I would say I’ve recognized them, and learned to let them effect me just a little bit less. For example, lets say that my boyfriend talks to me about another friend of his. Instantly, my insecurities of him leaving me pop in and I get angry/upset/irrational. Before I speak I think to myself, is this someone who is trying to hurt me? Why am I feeling these things? If the answer is that I am feeling them because he has done something to make me feel insecure, I talk to him about it (because more often than not, it is unintentional). If I find that I am feeling them unwarranted because of something in my past, I also talk to him (explaining why I feel the way I do, and being sure he knows I do not place any blame on him). So basically, the only way I know how to get past insecurities, is to think about them rationally, and speak about them clearly. It’s a work in progress for me, so dont be hard on yourself. These things take time!
In terms of her wanting to keep the item, these are my thoughts: Someone left something for her. If someone had done that for me, I would feel a bit guilty throwing it out. They left it for me. It’s a gift. Someone gives you a gift, you keep it. Again, I dont think you are being fair to her when it came to the action. She specifically asked you if she should throw it out, you said no. How can you expect her to read your mind and know you are trying not to be controlling and she should throw it out even though you told her not to? If you wanted her to throw it out, be honest about it. Yes, it may feel petty to you, but if it’s what you want, voice it. You can never expect someone to do things without telling them what it is you want them to do. It’s not like she said “get over yourself I’m keeping this”. She heard you, she took you seriously, and she tried to find an action that would make you more comfortable. This girl obviously really cares about you and wants to make things work. She’s making a huge life choice in dating you against her cultural beliefs. That should be reason enough for you to give her the benefit of the doubt here. She wouldnt be doing this if she didnt take you and the relationship very seriously.
What happened was difficult for you and maybe the wound needs a bit of time to heal, which is understandable. Perhaps just give it that time, and it will be less difficult. Just my two cents 🙂
DinaParticipant@Icy
I can completely relate to you, and while my heart breaks for what you’re going through, it’s nice to know I’m not alone. The beauty of your post is this: you have an incredibly supportive and loving partner. These are the people we need in our lives.
I cant tell you I have it figured out, but with a partner like the one you have found, I feel hopeful. I feel hopeful that people like me and you can find others to love us and be there and not leave, for that is a big fear of mine too.
I think you’ve made huge steps in recognizing your thought patterns. It’s HUGE that you are realizing the things that you are prone to, and the things that make you nervous. It’s HUGE that you’re starting to see where some of this began in your part.
All I can tell you is this: Stop being so hard on yourself. You’re making massive progress every day. Love yourself. You are a wonderful person, as proof by the wonderful man who made the very intelligent decision to be your life partner 🙂
Your post has helped me as well. Thank you for sharing.
DinaParticipant@Ryan thank you again for your response. I can relate to a lot of the things you think and feel. I also have intimacy issues, but I think I went in the other direction. Instead of chaining myself to work, I would chain myself to the people around me. Making the issues of my loved ones my own. I would do everything I could to be there and help them to my own detriment. At some point, I lost myself because all I was doing was taking care of everyone else. I kept hoping that if I was always there for them, they would never leave. This, of course, was not the case. People come and go, and it’s just something one has to accept in life. It doesnt make you worthless or bad or any less of a person. More often than not, the person who left is dealing with their own demons.
What do I do to stop the voices? Thats a great question, and by the nature of my post, I cant admit to having figured it out. However, there a few things I’ve found that help on occasion. Brace yourself – this will be long:
– This one is probably more specific to me, but it’s dance. For me, dance is the one thing I can do that doesnt allow me to think. All I can do is enjoy the music and the movements and my partner, and the voices are silent for those few hours. I would suggest finding something in your life that does that for you. Maybe its the gym, maybe its martial arts. In my experience, it’s rooted in physical activity. The more physical, the more present you are forced to be.
-Talking and writing. This is also a double edged sword. For me, I often have a better understanding of my thoughts when I write them down and reread them to myself. Once I write them, I can objectively sit back and see if the things I’ve written are based in logic or simply made up in my mind from anxiety. With talking, you have to choose wisely. I often make the mistake of talking to everyone who will listen. When I’m concerned about something, it consumes me and it’s all I can talk about. But, getting too many opinions can be just as bad. I would suggest here that you always talk to the person that is the root of the anxiety. More often than not, they can reassure you that your thoughts are not base don reality, and help you to see what they are thinking and feeling which will hopefully help calm you. I also talk to a wonderful therapist who has helped me massively. It’s all about finding the right therapist with the right therapy for you. Mine is also talk therapy.
-Being present is also helpful, but hard to do. What has helped me in the past is keeping a gratitude journal. Write 3 things every single day that you are grateful for, and at some point, you will start seeing so many things around you that are worth being happy about. People, places, nature, etc. The more specific the better. And they must be different every day.
DinaParticipantThank you to all of the supportive people who replied to this post. I wanted to update you.
I ended up speaking with my boyfriend, and as you can predict, he helped massively. He calmed my nerves, explaining that the things I think and feel are natural, and then asked me what I thought could break us up. When I told him, he clarified things. How proud he is of me, how he knows his anxiety can be difficult and irrational, but its not about me, and how we can work through things together.
For anyone else who’s ever felt what I feel, talking to the source is always the best way. I feel significantly more relaxed 🙂
DinaParticipant@Melissa: You are a wonderful human being. Thank you so much for making me feel less alone. And you’re right. I dont want to throw in the towel. This man is a wonderful person. He does “see” me. He cares about me. He loves me without judgement and he holds all the same morals as I do. I want this to work out, which is why I’m here. I want to know the next steps. I want to know if wanting this to work is the right answer. I’ll try your recommendation. Thank you.
@Ryan: I can so relate to your post. The words you used are very similar to the things my psychiatrist discussed with me. I would love to pick your brain a bit more. How else do you deal with the wiring so it doesnt drive you completely insane?Thank you to everyone who has posted here. The support and love is really helpful and even though I’m struggling, makes me feel a bit more sane, a bit more normal, and finally not alone. Thank you.
DinaParticipantI always felt safe in my home, however I never felt safe when it came to discussing my relationships. My father hated my first boyfriend and ultimately forced us to break up. I was angry for a long time and didnt talk to him for about a year (other than casual hello and how are yous). Ultimately the guy ended up cheating on me and my father was right…so that brought on a slew of confusing emotions.
My dad was never satisfied with the people I dated and him questioning them always made me question them…because he was right every single time. I was always afraid to talk to him about relationship problems because I was scared he would advise me to end them and then I wouldnt be able to get it out of my head. I wasnt able to make my own choices anymore. More my fault than his, I know. I spoke to him about it earlier this year and he has become significantly more supportive, only offering advise when I ask for it.
In terms of my mother – shes lovely and supportive, however she taught me that love means consumption. If I didnt cancel all of my plans to do something she wanted, I didnt love my family. So in my relationships..I acted this way. I let the guys consume me and did whatever they wanted.
Its not that way with my current boyfriend. I changed the way I acted, and he is a very open, accepting individual. We are happy doing things together and separately. We have our own hobbies and friends, but we also have mutual hobbies and friends.
DinaParticipantOut of curiosity, did she just not tell you these things, or did she lie to you? Did you ask if she was seeing someone and she said no, or did she just not volunteer the information?
DinaParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for reposting 🙂 Let me see if I can answer this.
The outside perspective here I suppose would mostly be from my peers and my family. My peers (my coworkers) look at my life as wonderful, however, they dont know too much about it in depth. My family is a double edged sword. I always look to them for advice and often come out feeling just a bit more anxious. My father’s advice to me was first “it looks like youre over the relationship and trying to find out” and then “just chill. experience is never wasted time if he doesnt end up being the one you marry. every guy you have been with is an improvement of the last. you are special..etc..”. My sister told me “It sounds to me like he is depressed. You need to be more supportive of him. Relationships are give and take and you need to support one another. Right now, he is the one who needs the support. Then, after, you can bring up your needs”. This was her advice after I had told her that I havent been happy in a long time and this is the first time in years I have been this happy..making it difficult for me to be around someone who is struggling. Then I spoke to my nanny (from childhood) who told me it’s likely a cause of living with him too soon and that these fears could subside when I move into my new place.
Internally is the constant fear that I am making the wrong choice. I am not the most decisive person, and it’s especially bad in my relationships. I tend to be 110% or nothing in my relationships. Im either way too in, losing myself in the process, or completely uninterested in which case I break up immediately. I consulted a psychiatrist for some time who has put me on zoloft to help ease my anxiety (I used to get daily frequent panick attacks). He told me that I have an overactive fight-or-flight response and that I need to work through relationship problems before I give up on them. Is this person kind, supportive, attractive to me, a friend, etc? If the answer is yes, he told me I should not prematurely end it. That often times I create problems that are not there, which is entirely true. A great example is that my boyfriend asked me yesterday about wanting to travel, and I told him I cant go anywhere for a year or two while I try to secure a full-time job. He was understanding but disappointed, and I instantly started wondering if we were are different points in our lives and the relationship would fail.
Does this help to clarify? I know I can be a bit neurotic and at times I lose focus in my stream-of-consciousness replies 🙂
DinaParticipantHi Adam,
Thank you for your kind words. I really appreciate them and will definitely keep them with me!
You’re right about communicating with my boyfriend. I also have anxiety and definitely can be more negative when I’m struggling with something. The truth is, he is a very loving person who is always willing to sit down and talk. I’ve expressed to him my feelings and he was very understanding of them. We made a decision to spend time every day working on goals we would like to achieve. It was a very productive conversation, and you would think it would alleviate my stressful thoughts.
However, for some reason I’m still nervous. I think perhaps I am prematurely ending the relationship in my mind and assuming things wont change without giving them time. I’m not the most patient person 🙂
January 26, 2016 at 11:40 am in reply to: Anxiety/Overthinking ruining my relationship.. On verge of break-up #93816DinaParticipantHm. I dont believe she is trying to hurt you, but I come from an interesting background so I’ll explain why I feel this way.
I was brought up in a family where omitting any detail of my life was considered “lying”, so in my relationships, I am very honest about all of my interactions. It’s never to hurt someone, it’s more because I want them to know what I’m doing and that they can trust I will always tell them what’s going on. In my mind, this would give them absolutely no reason to doubt me or the relationship.
I think work friendships are pretty common. Work days can be long and boring. You said yourself that this guy was a good friend of yours, so you can understand why she might enjoy his company. This doesnt mean she has any romantic feelings for him. She just happens to spend a lot of time with him because he makes the work day go by faster and because he works with her.
The game, to me, just sounds like something she was doing to pass time. She instigated it because it was fun and work can be boring. Nothing more to it than that. The fact that she told you about it in my eyes is not that shes trying to make you jealous, but that she is trying to tell you about her day and the little things that made it fun for her. I dont believe you ever mentioned that you asked her to stop telling you about her interactions with him. If they bothered you so much, that could have been an option. But I dont think it’s fair to hold it against her. She didnt cheat on you. A lot of this is internal anxieties (which i can relate to as I have them often in my relationships too, even when my partner is undeserving).
As for the beginning when she used to use a guy against you…I think she was trying to make you jealous likely because she was insecure in the relationship. In my experience, other people tend to talk about someone else when they want their partner to fight for them. They want their partner to reassure them that there is no one else.
This is just one perspective though. I’m sure there are many! Best way to find out is just to talk to her bluntly. Tell her when she brings other guys into the relationship as a threat, it hurts you.
I hope this works for you. Relationship troubles can be very consuming and hard. You will get through this!
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