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I wanted to reply something to the above, but i’ll leave it between the 2 of you.
I haven’t read everything here yet, because of my own tiredness, but i was wondering about something.
Did you just observe all of them and list them, or do you also create some new ones, that you thought might be helpful or could help maintain the balance?SannParticipantI’m also looking forward to see the rest of your meeting.
Hope you’re not doing extra time in the night, cause it looks tiring with all these types.SannParticipantWow, you seem to be doing good Anita.
I like it how some of them are trying to help each other.Jack and Anita, you guys are inspiring. You convinced to also sit down and start writing mine down – had thought about that a few times. I’m surprised at how fast it goes, once you start looking at them, i’m seeing more and more of them and am not fast enough to write them all down. So interesting.
SannParticipantI’m following.
I think you are brilliant Jack, that is an interesting thread.
I am learning a lot from you.SannParticipantHi all,
Thanks a lot for your replies.
I realise it’s about self-sabotaging, not doing things that are good for me and that way keep myself being stressed and not in control.
It will be work to change that, but i will do it. And give it the time that I need.
Thank you for the input.Jack, you remind me of a few things, that might be good for me as well.
Caroline, i’m not sure about the shoulds. I think instead it’s more ‘need’. If i say ‘could’, i make it still very optional, while it’s actually a necessity. Perhaps it’s more like eating, or getting proper sleep, or getting up in the morning. We don’t say, i could eat, but we need to eat, if we want to stay healthy. And equally, it’s not a good idea to voluntarily creating lack of sleep, if we want to function well. I think this is similar, just to take some time each day to do something nourishing, like reading (something important for me, but i barely do it, am so frustrated about it), i don’t want to make it optional, it’s something i need in order to be relaxed and happy, so i will work towards making it integrated in my days. Something that is normal, instead of something that i have to fight hard for, and do a lot of effort because i believe i don’t have the right to do these things.
What do you mean with the charm offensive?
Anita,
Wow, a lot of recognition to what you say.
Thank you.
1) The authority figure is yourself. Yes, and how many of us are giving our own power away to others the whole time. Yesterday my therapist said something like, as long as you don’t believe that you are able to do this or that, there will be something in yourself blocking you from doing it. I think it’s the same, we need confidence to give ourselves the power. As long as i tell myself that other people know it better than me, know more than me, i won’t have the confidence that i am in charge of my life and to know it. I don’t know how to find that confidence, but i actually think, i will get there.2) Wow, thank you for the recognition. Not that i’m happy that you recognise that, because it’s not a very healthy habit.
I relate to what you are saying, always expecting an attack, while the attack is usually in our mind, that it is going to happen. And it is so funny, the best way to be able to defend us IF there would come an attack, is by relaxing and being happy. Then everything will just come by itself and we don’t need to be ready.Thank you.
I realise now, this is a very strong pattern, built up over many years within me, always being occupied with how i come across to other people. This will take time to change it. I don’t know exactly how, but i will get there π
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SannParticipantHi, thanks for your replies and empathy.
Jack, it is not my boss, but my colleague actually. I don’t want to quit my job because of it (although i’ve thought and wished quite a few times), because i think that would be running away from difficulties, which i will encounter elsewhere. But also not because i find the place where i work so lovely, all the coworkers and the bosses, they are really nice and i’ve never worked for such laid-back and easy-going bosses. I am so grateful for it. The woman is actually my colleague, and she started to work there later then me, so it would be wise of her to be a bit nicer than me, because i know more things than her and she needs me to organise certain things for her. (but then i am so stupid to help her anyway, regardless of how she treats me) But yes, indeed, these unskilled jobs often get people who are not very intelligent or haven’t studied much, so are much more prone to rude and unco-operative behavior.
Thank you Anita, you are so kind! I’m not going to do this exercise right now, because i’m extremely tired (so many sleepless nights and stress due to this situation) – i’m just trying to get some rest and get my mind off the whole situation. But i’ll remember it for the next time i need something to try to get my mind clearer.
Hi Mike, thank you as well for your kind and understanding words. You say a lot of things in these few sentences π
I am now trying to be “nice” to her – better said: correct. I’m not talking to her except for the necessary things about work. I always say thank you if she does something. I never comment if she doesn’t do things but i just do them myself. And if she is bossing me around, or unkind to her, i don’t say anything, i let her do it and am obedient. That is definately not the right way but i do it out of my fear, and in order to have the least chance to have her shouting at me. Stupid of me, but it seems my fears have the power.Thank you for sharing story about the snake. The thing is, i dont see myself like a snake. I don’t bite nor hiss. I am more like a frightened little mouse that hides in the corner and barely dares to come out. Or a dog that you can snap at a few times, and can treat badly if you want, and will keep coming to you and trying to please you. If i’d start to hiss, it goes so much against my nature that it would exhaust me. I don’t know if that works for me, to be honest.
I do remember an episode of, i think it was Kung Fu, where someone said that if there is fear in you, they will be able to put their dagger in you. If their is no fear, they will not find a place in you to put their dagger. Perhaps i should focus more on being happy and confident in myself, so that in future times, i will be above this, and people will not feel that it is a fight, or that there is space to treat me like that.
SannParticipantDear Bluelagoon,
I recognise that, also struggle with it. I’m 33, so i think you have quite a lot of advantage over me, for being so strongly aware of that, at a lot younger age.
I don’t know the answers because i’m still struggling with it myself, but i’d like to share some thoughts, also out of my own experience.
Do you hang out a lot with people who do those kinds of things? Or do you also have friends, who have other ways, perhaps more similar like yours?
Because i read that you compare yourself a lot with others, and i wonder if it helps, to have people around you that you appreciate, who don’t do those things.I remember when i was around that age, i felt a lot of peer pressure, i always felt inferior to others, because i didn’t go out much or do drugs or didn’t hook up. That was like that standard.
And i admire it that you do your own thing.I wonder, the fact that you doubt yourself so much. Is it mainly that you feel you are not good the way you are, because you are doing other things than your peers. Or is it because you want to be accepted, and are afraid of what other people think of you, for not doing the same as them?
I really need to be a more confident person, but i donβt know how to do that.
I recognise that thought very well.
I also often say that to myself. But now i’m starting to think: i can’t force myself to suddenly become a more confident person, that is something that will have to grow. I can learn, more and more, to do different things that will help me to become more confident, to let it grow. And that will be a gradual process with many ups and downs, so we’ll need to be patient with ourselves.
I don’t know if it makes sense what i’m writing, that is the way i see it right now.Keep doing your own thing, regardless of if you think it is good enough for others.
SannParticipantI also struggle to find a balance in it.
Either go way too much out of it or stay in it and get too comfortable.I know that it is good for me to get out of my comfort zone, to challenge myself and learn new things. It can be very scary, but that way i also make things more comfortable.
That’s how more things become comfortable.
But i also need to get back to my comfort zone, to recharge, to rest, because getting out of it too much puts me under too much strain and makes me sick in the long run.Some people spoke to me about the 3 zones:
comfort zone
stretch zone
panic zoneStretch zone is uncomfortable and challenges you but panic zone is far out of it, and we might need to be careful with it. Or look after ourselves extra after we’ve been in it.
SannParticipantDon’t know. I’m not an expert on meditation.
I don’t know if there is a general guideline, or if it all depends on the person.
I know, for me sometimes it would work like this, and sometimes it might be better to go for a walk or a run before studying.Have you tried, different times to meditate, to see what works best for you?
SannParticipantHi Pomplemous,
Ha, that’s interesting!
So you have your own way of asking questions to objects and then you know if something happens it is a yes! That seems a bit more advanced to me then dowsing, where i buy a pendulum and try to follow the ‘guidelines’. You develop your own way of communicating with things, well done!
How did you come to this?
And, are they random objects, or things you have a special connection with…?Haha feel free to answer my questions or not, i find it interesting. No need to bow out as far as i’m concerned, but that’s up to you of course π
Thanks for sharing your creative way π
SannParticipantDear Moongal,
I love this post, thank you so much for it!
I have a big problem with structure, sometimes overdoing it, and most of the time not doing it at all. Very frustrating cause i miss out on a lot of things and get in stressy situations so often, due to my lack of it.
I was actually just starting to wonder these past days, what i can do in order to bring more structure in my daily life, and here you write such a clear, easy post about it, how brilliant!When i get into this ‘get more structure in my life’ – moments, i always want to change the whole thing immediately, result that it lasts for a few days. So i love how you write ‘slowly incorporate small routines in my day’ – take it easy, one little change and get used to that and then add an other one.
It might sound very evident, but it’s a good example for me to get my own ways of tacking it. Thanks and keep it up!
SannParticipantI have many things i would like to say that i would do. Read more, learning about nature, travel and work abroad, interact more with people and like you say – be more streetwise, learn more about the real life. Smoke a joint now and then, not be living so overprotected and isolated from everything. I might want to study something like biology, herbalism, anthropology. Have friends and have some fun with guys now and then. Go to the movies and to the theatre. Go to the bars until early morning and talk about life with whoever i meet. Learn to sail and to surf and perhaps work on a boat for a while.
And a lot more things.But in general, if i could do it over, i would just respect myself a bit more. Do the things that i want to do and not worry about what others think of me, if i’m good enough for others. Just do it and have fun and learn, and do it for myself.
SannParticipantDear Ella,
Thank you so much for your reply!
And sorry that i didn’t reply for so long..
When i wrote this post, i just bought the new pendulum.
But i was just in the time of having to find an other house, and having to pack up all my stuff, and being there was very stressful, due to the situation with the housemates. So i didn’t feel relaxed at all in that house, so i thought that it wouldn’t be good to start dowsing there. Because i assume it’s better to be relaxed and at peace when you do it, and i couldn’t relax in there. Now in the new house, i also still don’t really manage to relax, and am constantly superstressed because of problems at work. So i don’t know if this is the good time to start with it.
Because of all the stress, i just forgot that i did this post here, and i didn’t see you post for a long time..In case you read this and if you still feel like answering, i’m wondering about one thing you wrote. The way that you wrote, gives me the impression that you tell the pendulum what to do: which way to move for which answer.. Is that right?
I’m a bit surprised because i always thought that the pendulum decides this. The way i was shown it by a few people is they hold it still and say ‘give me yes’ ‘give me no’ and then see hoe the pendulum moves.SannParticipantDear Pomplemous,
Wow, interesting that you can feel it that much.
I reread my post and i realise: i wrote it a bit wrong.
I am just starting to realise, that i sometimes feel that. I’ve never been much in tune with my feelings, always much with my thoughts and they were mostly incredibly negative. Now, recently, at work i’m slowly starting to become aware of that, only in some moments and only with a few people. Actually mainly with the people: one with a lovely energy and the one that i’d like to stay away from as far as possible. I’m not so good with being aware of my feelings when i’m around other people. So, often i can feel it, after (even short) interaction with that person, and when i’m working alone again, that i suddenly feel a lot calmer and stronger, and i think that is the reflection of that person’s energy. I might be totally wrong of course.
I’m also learning that some people are very overwhelming for me, and that makes suddenly my negative thoughts go crazy, which also seems to be an indicator about their energy.
It’s interesting to start to be aware of this, but i also find it very tiring – do you find that as well?SannParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for your reply.
I don’t know if i should have written that, about my first reaction.
But it’s quite positive towards you, because these thoughts in me are so strong, but i didn’t doubt about your intention because i am confident that you wouldn’t think like that. It’s not often that somebody can make me lose this kind of doubt, because they are so obvious kind people.
Pffff, i don’t know if i’m making it clear what i’m writing.
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