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April 22, 2021 at 12:00 pm in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378487SammyParticipant
Evening @Jay2023
That’s okay, you’re human and it’s okay to miss her. What is it that you regret? Do you feel you could have done something differently?
Go and have a haircut and post a pic you could do with a pick me up today. I’m sure a few likes will remind you how great you are and doing! If people are commenting its because they are noticing an improvement in you so give yourself some credit!
I was back at work today. Kind of want to book time off and get the house finished but kind of want to procrastinate too lol. The weather has been good, not quite tanning yet though!
April 22, 2021 at 4:18 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378304SammyParticipantIt’s okay, I don’t mind you talking about yourself right now, I have nothing major I need advice on and I’m just one of those people who enjoy helping others. From the snippets of information, I’ve learned you are self aware to not just take from others, so you’re not being selfish.
I’m in a good frame of mind and grateful for how things turned out in my life. But I will be sure to ask you boys if I do require anything and I’m sure you’ll return. If you don’t, again I have learned to have no expectations and it says more about you boys than me lol!
I agree that having a romantic relationship is not what you or the other person would deserve right now. You need to really build on who you are, your worth, discover yourself and what you want. Learn to be happy alone. Solitude is where we discover ourselves and learn to listen to our soul, sort through the chaos and reach inner peace. So being alone is not the same as loneliness.
You wanting to repel any effort is understandable and the right thing to do to for yourself and your boundaries.
However I think you missed my point; it is the manner in which most people do things! They burn bridges by being obstinate and lack emotional intelligence. They want to be better versions of themselves but still lack the tools to deal with emotions in an effective way.
A lot of the advice out there on dating or even sustaining any type of relationship is really damaging to people. Instead of teaching ways to be empathetic, effectively communicate and work through emotions, it teaches power plays, passive aggressiveness and that’s why so many relationships are failing. Almost as if toxicity has been normalised!
Psychological warfare is an ineffective, immature coping mechanism used to hide feelings and avoid being vulnerable. If you can’t be vulnerable you are not being true to yourself.
If you have ever come across a well adjusted person with emotional intelligence, you’ll realise they do not care to use tactics or games like that. They are authentic to themselves, do not care how they may be perceived because they know their own intent and validate themselves. Ignoring is a tool in their box but you’ll find they will only use it when being abused or harassed. Otherwise they are direct and expressive with their feelings.
For example, if contacted by an ex they directly deal with it and respond. If they are not feeling strong enough or feel communication will affect them adversely they will not be afraid to express that they require no communication. If they want communication they will not wait x amount of days etc.
However the script out there is to play mind games to have control.
[ ] If you reply you’re perceived as desperate.
[ ] If you respond immediately you look like you have no life.
[ ] Open and ignore to look like you don’t need them.Yet the ironic thing is if you’re engaging with tips like this in any form, you are actually giving control to the other person, you’re relying on how they perceive you. Therefore at the root of all this is lack of self esteem and emotional regulation.
So yes stick to your own blueprint that inspires better emotional regulation, intelligence, and authenticity.
I’m a woman Jay, and gender differences do play a role also in the way we deal with emotions.
A woman in a relationship who cares will always give her all, she will try when a man resists her, but once she reaches the point of deciding to leave or let go then 95% of the time she will never look back. That’s why it is easier to move on and be strong.
Whereas men are complacent, they do not realise the relationship is crumbling, they will burn bridges and then once it is too late they realise what they lost and then only a very small percentage are able to rectify it i.e. Danny. Certain variables need to exist for that.So yes. When a woman’s done in most cases she’s done. If she’s reaching out its most likely because she still cares and wants to be friends.
Whilst a guy will only ever want to be friends if he thinks he has a chance at banging her or reconciliation. That’s what hurts women the most, they thought the friendship was worth more. Correct me if I’m wrong about your gender lol!Don’t just wait for your feelings to pass, try and label them and source where they are coming from. That allows you to create tools to cope in future.
Definitely looking forward to you posting your selfie and reporting on how you feel! The new haircut, trim figure, venturing out. Sounds like an excellent care plan!
April 21, 2021 at 2:51 pm in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378281SammyParticipant@Jay2023
I think you would have learned nothing if you did go back again to what you had. It was not healthy. At least not the parts described to us.For this to ever work you both would need to do a lot of work individually and then reconcile to begin with a completely clean slate. Do you honestly think she wants that? I don’t.
I think if she was going to message after your earlier interaction today then by now she would have. It was a perfect window.
In the future, if she genuinely cared about you too, when enough time has passed and she knows you’re likely to have healed she may try and establish a friendship. However because you mentioned she used you as an emotional crutch, it will be obvious if there is a hidden agenda.
I reached out to my ex, at first as the dumpee. I needed an explanation or closure, then he realised he wanted me. I didn’t anymore. When he finally got in touch again after i had changed numbers i could tell he wasn’t looking to interfere or reconcile, he was making peace so I was happy to be reacquainted because he was an important part of my life and I’d hate to just discard each other forever reducing what we had to nothing.
I care about my ex, but I’m no longer in love with him. In the past what have you done with your exes? What are you likely to do if contacted – blank or reply?
I personally can’t be rude to anyone. I would never ghost, air or ignore messages. I just think imagine the shoe was on the other foot. It never hurts to be polite. I’m all about positive energy and firm believer in what goes around comes around. It pays to never burn bridges.
If you really value her as a person and do really miss her and not the idea of her, then you’ll overcome your feelings for her and just want her to be happy. It might take time but it will definitely happen. So maybe think about that.
Also you mentioned to @Rhaenys you’re awake with knots, there’s something else probably troubling you there. Time to try labelling and finding the origin of that! Also hints of depression in your patterns too but j know you’re doing what you can.
But yes tomorrow is a new day and I hope you feel rejuvenated with your haircut!
April 21, 2021 at 1:14 pm in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378261SammyParticipant@Rhaenys thank you, drawing is a fantastic idea. I wish I could draw, I’m jealous of those with those skills. My friend he is amazing, he once drew me a picture and I loved it, utterly priceless and unique. I’m good at origami though, something I got quite skilled at when I used it as therapy for calming and focusing my attention. Maybe I could put origami messages in the bottles @Jay2023 suggested and lead it to a naughty treasure (me) at the end as suggested by @Dannydan. Wow guys you really are bringing it all to life! Thanks.
I’m glad you’re sleeping better now but when you use it to escape reality it can be sign of depression so although you’ve made a lot of strides don’t be scared to reach out for professional help if required. I hope you start to experience more and more positive days x
April 21, 2021 at 1:02 pm in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378260SammyParticipant@Jay2023 you might not be over her quite yet but its obvious your over it (the situationship you had) otherwise mentally your reaction would not be so calm. Especially given you suffer anxiety.
Jay I’m not convinced you actually miss her, it comes across as you miss what you had; company, warm body, all the feels of being in a romantic companionship. Because you just revealed something very telling, you want the fantasy, not the reality – think about that.
Meaning, you fell for your idea of who she was rather than for who she was truly being.
When you find yourself slipping into those fantasy reminds yourself that nothing was followed up by real congruent action. This will help you further let go of these fantasies and instead learn to cultivate a real authentic deep intimate bond with someone in reality in the future.
Again I think right now the focus should be on how you’ve overcome a significant hurdle. The first dreaded meeting with an ex. The ones from this day forward only get easier!
I think your haircut is perfectly timed too, it will give you a new sense of being. Onwards and upwards!
April 21, 2021 at 11:56 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378249SammyParticipant@Jay2023 I think well done you your flight mode was perfect. If you had ignored her then that would just be childish. You handled it with maturity by responding and class!
When you genuinely care about a person that will never go away. That just means you’re a good hearted soul, I feel that for my ex still, always will.
The fact you’re so calm really shows how far you’ve come. If you had an anxious reaction then I’d say you’re really not getting over her or moving on. But I really think your indifference says it all. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference.
I’m really proud of you Jay! I don’t know if you recognise it but this is a big milestone. Are you ready for your next adventure because with some self care and loving its headed your way , you’re making room for it!
April 21, 2021 at 11:32 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378242SammyParticipantOmg awks @Jay2023, first time is the worst!
I’m at B&Q sat on a toilet waiting for a stock check, typing this lol!
Does she live close by to you then? It was good you were able to say Hi back and well done you, dealt with it perfectly.
But million dollar question is – how did it really make you feel?
April 21, 2021 at 9:04 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378227SammyParticipantThe weather has been decent where I’m situated. Do you feel you may have SDD too?
Don’t worry about your dip, you should realise by now you have it within you to rise above whatever is bringing you down. You’ve have survived your dark days and found the sun still rose, so you hold onto that hope that you will come out winning. There will be more happy days then sad to look forward to ahead.Why do you fall asleep so early, is to escape reality or because you’re just tired?
You really don’t want anything to do with her so I think you’ve started to let go of that attachment which was having a grip hold on you. So another baby step towards progress.
Jay, I hope those you know who do that to women are not part of the company you keep! Also of course she had started to develop feelings lol (the woman dates to marry!) She wouldn’t be hurt otherwise would she? But agreed glad his creepiness was revealed earlier than later. If she had known his true colours, she wouldn’t have gone anywhere near him. He manipulated, led her on and thought he could selfishly do it until he got what he wanted. She’s a really beautiful lady inside out, intelligent and it is her soft heart which blinkered her. But like Danny said she’s strong and showed him the exit as soon as his mask slipped and she stuck to her values. She doesn’t need to change anything, she’s an amazing woman it’s the jerks who have a lot of work to do. Quite often you will find the kindest people have higher tolerances for crap and more likely to be taken advantage of. Just like you were.
Anyway it is better to change your picture after your fresh cut tomorrow rather than today. You’ll feel even more self confidence. Another pat on the back for the new trim figure too, it’s all coming together slowly but surely. Have a lovely dinner i need to head to B&Q for a new toiletseat and bits for the bathroom might check in later. If not tomorrow!
April 21, 2021 at 5:32 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378216SammyParticipantApril 21, 2021 at 4:12 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378212SammyParticipantWow @Dannydan, to begin I really didn’t mean to cause any upset for you. When I was typing a reply to @Jay2023 the topic of sacredness of sex reminded me of my friends situation. I really hope you are not being hard on yourself or self shaming.
First of all like you said you didn’t use any of those terms, you made it clear there was no verbal volley or physical abuse in your relationship and you took full accountability for any immaturity and mistake by meeting her to make amends. You didn’t rely on her soft heart to automatically forgive you, your conscience went deeper than that. ‘B’ forgave you and chose you. She knows you better than any of us! So please don’t be upset. I’m glad your expressing your gratitude and I’m pretty certain she is grateful for the work you did do on yourself because you proved your own potential.
Thank you for the comprehensive reply. I’m actually going to copy and paste what you wrote and send it to her. So she knows good men like you exist. Also no he didn’t make any amends or any apcknowledgement in person. Was just after sex and conquering the challenge, she is well rid. She is hurt but moving on.
@Jay2023 Everything okay with you? Are you just riding the wave of change and happier or has there been a dip? Here for you and concerned so do drop in.April 20, 2021 at 4:31 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378140SammyParticipantYou know what @Jay2023 your attitude reminds me of a turning point. I really think something has triggered that and if you run with it long enough there will be no looking back. You’re ready to leave the anxiety, the crappiness and hurt behind and really focus on YOU.
I’m very much like you, I find sex sacred, I would never have sex as a means to an end. That definitely was another red flag amongst the rest lol 🚩🚩🚩
A woman willing to give it away that easily isn’t one who has much self respect or care for her partners values.Sex for me can only be with someone I feel an emotional connection to. I think as you get older you realise that. Danny although he jokes, realised it perhaps in the most challenging way by having to practice patience given his history but he is about to marry a wonderful woman and feels no doubts in their physical intimacy. So he won in the end!
Valuing the sacredness of sex, might help you weed out those who are not serious in future. Then working on your self worth and willpower will allow you to walk away if that value is not aligned.
Another anecdote for you one of my friends who has chosen to abstain from sex until in a commitment was recently dating what seemed like a wonderful man, they were making out but she made it clear no sex. Then one day he called her a cocktease. How rapey as hell is that? Only went and revealed his inherent disrespect for women! Why do idiots do this? If you know a woman is not easy and is looking for something serious and you clearly want something different then don’t get involved. Why do they need to be personally challenged by it and work covertly? Can you explain boys? This still incenses me, because my friend is stunning but was made to feel ashamed and admonished. It really knocked her confidence.
Off tangent there but discussing sacredness of sex reminded me of her situation, and I tried discussing this with my bf but it’s one of those things that gets him enraged.
Anyway Jay, stopping drinking takes enormous willpower. I should know after my insobriety! If you have the willpower to kick one addiction to the curb you can kick another. You ex is an addiction.
I’m glad your doctor has reiterated what Danny and I feel. You are making waves! Your friends appear to be a good bunch. That’s great that even if you do detach they still care and check in. It’s a sign of true friends.
Make sure you keep a balance though. Establishing boundaries is great but you have to also be careful you don’t go off on the extreme end. Tim taught me this. It can sometimes cause you to be stubborn or obstinate in situations where graciousness and flexibility is required.Thanks for the help with gifting. Was a wonderful idea, I’ll let you know how it goes. I like being able to ask you boys things I can’t figure out about the male species!I’m totally for posting a Selfie on SM if it’s done for yourself and not an indirect message to an ex lol. It’s like a time stamp and shows the confidence within, it reminds you that life is heading the right direction. So go for it! I’m sure the new haircut will make you look extra good too! You’ll have to let us know how it makes you feel when you do it. I’m excited for your milestones! Lol
April 20, 2021 at 2:03 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378134SammyParticipantBoys will be boys 🤦🏼♀️ @Dannydan don’t you be giving @Jay2023 any more bright ideas! GOODBYE SEX oh dear! Lol
Check you out with your amazing insight for me. I agree with @Jay2023 you do have a heart, a much bigger one than you give yourself credit for at times. Thanks so much for that, going against his wishes was what I was worried about and you’re spot on, continuous dialogue is paramount! So I will check if his feelings have changed about the matter or if he still definitely doesn’t want anything and then respect that.
I don’t think he is a game player in any way so i know he wouldn’t be testing me. His reasoning was pretty straightforward after the pandemic and what he has seen, he felt he had everything he needed already and was grateful to make it out unscathed. His work life balance is very difficult because of his job, sometimes he is on nights or on call , so I think you’re right quality time will be more special to him.
The thing I value the most about him is that he expresses and communicates his feelings. You and Rhaenys correctly picked up and mentioned him feeling excluded. Rather than just ignore my texts like the ex would have when it came to confronting or dealing with difficult emotions… He was responsive and shared his thoughts upfront so we came up with the bbq we had. In fact he is very very giving that’s why I wanted to spoil him. He deserves the best but I want to give him what HE will be happy with. So I might just incorporate @Jay2023 and your idea with messages in a bottle stating things i value about him with clues leading onto some sort of naughty trail. Thanks boys!
@Jay2023, wow this new found attitude I’m loving, she’s not your problem anymore for sure! You don’t need to concern yourself with figuring out what went wrong because you know it was definitely not right!There’s definitely been a huge shift in your attitude this past week. You’re working really hard on big changes, and letting go of bad habits like drinking. What’s been your driving force? You’ve really caught the bug to change. I have a feeling you have enough strength to really put this chapter behind you. By the time free therapy rolls around who knows – you might not even need it!
Sorry to hear about your friends difficulties. If you need any tips on alcohol addiction let me know. It is hard because you naturally love your friends, they have always been that constant. However your inner circle can tell a lot about yourself and affect your life outcomes too. So it’s very important you have positive energy and force around you, you will make better choices and vice versa. Sometimes when you begin to change for the better it does mean creating boundaries from those no longer good for us or likely to draw us back to bad habits. It’s all part of the process. It doesn’t mean you do what I stupidly did and cut them all off entirely. That’s just the coward’s way of dealing with stuff. You communicate you need time to heal, you then create a different space for them in your life but be firm in your boundaries and express in a kind way why things have changed. A good friend no matter how much time you’ve been away will still accept you and be happy with change, they meet you halfway. A bad friend will just ignore your feelings, not really care and do what they know.
April 19, 2021 at 9:53 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378055SammyParticipantAfternoon @Jay2023 ! You sound so positive, ride the wave for sure!!!!
Jay I know exactly how you feel, it’s so painful when you care and love someone with all your being , show them it but it just doesn’t register and it’s not reciprocated! But looking back I’m so glad I endured that pain. I will never let anyone treat me like that again and I love myself more than ever.
I can already see your self esteem improving so whatever you’re doing , continue to do so. So you’re ready for when that beautiful, kind, caring girl when she comes along, who can understand your fears and anxiety. Who will encourage you to be better and will show you love and affection in gifts and words and plenty of emotional and physical intimacy. When she comes don’t ever get complacent, don’t ever let her slip away because you’ll have learned gratitude and you will have learned self love to accept what you deserve. I’m hopeful for you Jay because you seem mature and not selfish in your actions. I don’t forsee you going down the wrong tracks. I think you really want to unprove.
Thank you for the help with gifting, I’ve never used that website but sounds like a great idea. Message in a bottle how cute! He’s obsessed with plants and space so might look for a gift related to that.
Get those rays , top up on your happiness and if you need anything tag me!
April 19, 2021 at 6:09 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378040SammyParticipant@Rhaenys thanks for your post! I’m glad my posts to Jay equally help you. I hope you have a good day and I’ll definitely consider those recommendations.
April 19, 2021 at 6:06 am in reply to: Trying to deal with anxiety and loss after relationship break up #378039SammyParticipantI’m glad you’re receptive. I’m even more glad that you seem like you wouldn’t change your natural kind nature to be a “bad boy” to attract the opposite gender like Tim and Danny thought. The hot and cold, the leaving texts on read, stonewalling etc. have the desired effect but it leads to toxicity and is immaturity. In the end if the values and intentions are not aligned people get hurt.
Keep being authentic. Emotional vulnerability can never be a passion killer, if anything it brings you closer knowing each others fears etc, to be a best friend and lover and find that in your partner is amazing. So do keep looking for that. Your partner that fits, would appreciate your exact needs and wants. There’s no point looking for someone who doesn’t support you, doesn’t understand your anxiety or dislikes attentiveness if that’s who you are.
I think given you had an emotional bond as you said and were physical, the fact as a woman she still didn’t fall for you (because you offered what any great stable woman would want) indicates a major element was missing for her or she had no intention of ever pursuing it as a long term and just used you.
Thank you for the advice on the presents. Its so difficult as I haven’t known him intimately for long but known of him as my besties bro. So I know his general likes and dislikes but not quite figured out any hidden things that would be special to him, i’m struggling, what kind of personalised things? Any suggestions that have been a winner for you.
Like you I love to give. It makes me so happy but I equally would like to be spoilt too lol not out of obligation but its just nice. It is always rare for someone to go above and beyond but my new bf is very giving unlike my ex who would be terrible!
Have you considered going privately for therapy. If you want to speed up the healing. I can imagine the waiting list will be very long.
So lucky you have a beach to hand! Enjoy the weather and outdoors it’s been great!
How are you feeling? Its a new week. Do the mental burdens of last week feel further away?
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