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Feathering my nestParticipant
Hey Anita,
I’m considering moving away for postgraduate study – to study something that feels important and I truly believe in. (Sustainable textiles engineering, I possibly mentioned that I am a textile artist already.)
It would break my heart to leave this city: its my adopted home after so many years of moving around. I really feel like I belong here; its an interesting city and I’ve got a really solid network of friends here. Some of whom are among my oldest friends, having known them for a decade now. I moved here 5 years ago and my parents 2 years ago.
I juggle two jobs – for an arts charity part-time, and I work as a professional artist the rest of the time. This has come off the back of years of networking. My work life is rewarding and happy. While I don’t earn huge amounts of money but I have enough to get by without existing hand-to-mouth. The hand-to-mouth thing was extremely stressful! More stressful than the problems of living with my parents. Moving out would push me back into the hand-to-mouth existence.
That is why I am considering this MSc, it is something that is important and will improve my career prospects in the long term. If I leave now, I will be back in a cycle of hand-to-mouth.
It would take a long long time to build an equivalent network of friends elsewhere, equally a long time to establish myself as a working artist. I’m excited to do this postgraduate course but would probably return to this city after. I expect I will be lonely once I leave.
So yeah, I am only prepared to leave for something much bigger and better for my long-term happiness and security. Simply getting away from my parents isn’t enough of a reason for me.
-Feathering
Feathering my nestParticipantWow. Sending you love in a difficult time. xx
Feathering my nestParticipantHeya Anita,
Yes- I see your point.
Where then, should I direct my energy?
I live with my parents – there is a massive crisis in my city with housing, rent has gone up more than anywhere else in the UK. I was evicted from my rented home when the rent became unaffordable. Living with my parents is uncomfortable as I have to confront the problematic behaviors on a regular basis.
When I was a kid my dad was the scary and imposing one. But my mum did nothing to defend us, even though she disagreed with his actions. We talked a little on Friday (in relation to some problems she was having with my sister) and my mother was totally unaware of the impact that her silence had on us. I said we felt undefended, and that her silence was seen as supporting the actions of our father – we had nobody else left to turn to.
She said: “But that wasn’t what was going on behind closed doors.” (As if we were somehow to know!)
I could not believe that I needed to explain the ‘Why’ of this to a woman in her late 50’s.What is more she enables my sister’s abusive behavior by welcoming her back each time sister returns and tries to press the ‘reset’ button after a bout of abuse. She said “I would rather be on good terms with her than when she is being abusive.” But she cannot understand how she enables the abuse. I find this attitude very frustrating.
Indeed: frustrating is the way I feel about my relationship with my mother overall. We have very different temperaments: I have a zest for life and new experiences. She is insular, afraid of challenges, lacking in confidence, very negative about everything. My sister switches between ardently defending her and bullying her.
I used to wish I could turn to my mum for advice and support in relationships but now I can see that this is not a wise thing to do.
-Feathering
Feathering my nestParticipantHello,
Yes I was a bit shy to tell him I would like to date him again – it was a peacemaking mission – so not sure how best to introduce the idea again.
However it is true that I need to spend a little more time addressing the issue of my anger .
Owning up to it will help, but its important to work at that a little further before I risk getting involved with him again.
(Indeed he’s been burnt once so while he’s forgiven me no doubt he will be more cautious a second time around.)Do you have any suggestions as to how I can continue to deal with this anger issue?
I noticed yesterday a gentleness and calmness that I haven’t felt in quite that way before. Something within me has relaxed somewhere. Of course I have felt calm and happy before but this was qualitatively different. I figure this is a good sign and its motivated me to continue on this path. I have made an effort to slow down, pay attention to others a lot more and look them in the eye when we are talking. Want to book a holiday – really really want to travel around a bit more. East Asia appeals.My relationship with my parents has its difficulties and I am reacting to them differently. They still do things that frustrate me – my mum is terrible at listening and quite passive-aggressive. I’m trying to gently bring out the problematic behaviors into discussion.
I have decided to cut ties with my sister again – keeping her at arms length. I keep giving her the benefit of a doubt and then she proves to me she cannot be trusted. In short she’s abusive and very aggressive. She’s unwilling to take responsibility for her behaviors so change is impossible. My relationships with mum and dad were strained growing up- but my relationship with my sister was the worst, going far beyond ‘sibling rivalry’. She held me up at knife point on more than one occasion.
Suppose it follows the next thing to do is to examine my own toxic behaviors in response to my sister: something I’ve never looked at.
That and I need to let go of my vitrol towards my last boyfriend, who I suspect was cheating on me. (But was generally lazy and neglectful anyway: I don’t know why I stayed with him so long.)
-Feathering
November 18, 2018 at 3:11 am in reply to: Is my GF blowing me off, or is she genuinely too busy to meet? #238225Feathering my nestParticipantHave you called her (not texting!!) and asked her about it?
She sounds pretty busy. I expect nursing is intensive.
Feathering my nestParticipantHello Anita,
Yes the meeting did go well, I’m happy.
Mr seemed genuinely pleased to see me from the very start, he was smiling as he sat down in front of me, a genuine smile with warmth. We connected well over the course of the evening. He was glad of my apology and admitted that this angry and bitter side to me was an issue for him. I suspect this earned his respect.
Can’t help but feel a bit chuffed that he asked if I was dating anybody – it was a bit out of the blue as we had stopped talking relationship hours before. After this he opened up about the recent ending of his long-term relationship – its definitely over for good this time. Sounds like she did not make him feel very welcome.
Previously one of my errors was to and not allow space for him to come forward in his own time and allow that space in the relationship. So I will wait for now- although I’ll make a point of wishing him well on his birthday.
-Feathering
Feathering my nestParticipantAnita has some good advice there. This woman clearly inspires you. (She’s good at her job!)
Feathering my nestParticipantWhat specifically attracts you to her?
Feathering my nestParticipantHeya Anita,
How are you? Thanks for your concern about my health. The source of the pain is possibly gluten intolerance! :*(
I love bread… beer….. pasta…. loads of my favorite foods contain wheat.Meeting with Mr yesterday went great. We agreed to move on from the argument, as we were both very upset by it. He also lost his voice for two weeks! He took my apology with good grace and liked his gift of lavender balm. I kept the ‘serious relationship discussion’ aspect short and to the point, otherwise we just spent time together as we used to… talking talking talking. Neither of us are ones for small talk. He did ask if I was seeing anybody. I said no -because I wanted to spend some time dealing with the anger issue and also I’m not into dating for the sake of it. I like my friends and my life as it is too much to spend time dating people I’m only half-arsed about. Didn’t want to ask the same question or push the boat out just yet. It is his birthday next week.
The cat pub was a great place to go. The landlord shot me in the face with a glitter gun, which was a great opportunity to introduce an otherwise difficult topic: “Right – well we came here to talk about something serious.” (covered in glitter.) We played with a kitten and built dinosaurs out of lego and won sweets. đ
Thanks,
Feathering
Feathering my nestParticipantPossibly tomorrow – I did cancel on him yesterday in light of having to go to hospital.
If I meet him I’ll give him the gift.
His said he was worried about meeting me for it might ‘open old wounds’ for me and be ‘uncomfortable’. This was thoughtful of him, but I think I will explain to him that the wound (that of the old anger) is already open and I strongly believe in sitting with uncomfortable feelings in order to learn from them.
As Nikos Kazantzakis wrote; “The true meaning of enlightenment is to gaze with undimed eyes on all darkness.” (He loves the existentialist philosophy and literature.)
Tell him I’ve figured I’ve got anger issues and that angry people struggle to listen and struggle to empathize properly. On that basis I’d be curious to hear his side of the story, if he is willing to share it. I won’t go into details unless he asks and I’ll be hesitant to share some of those details unless we get a relationship that is more stable going.
We are going to a pub that has loads and loads and loads of cats- that come and sit on your lap, the bar, the table… wherever they feel like. And there are kittens as well. đ You can cuddle cats in the pub. I thought that would be a good location.
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Feathering my nestParticipantHello Anita,
Thanks for your concern regarding my health. My appendix is still inside me, I was advised to see a gynecologist if the pain persits. They said they had ruled out a lot of serious causes – lets hope they meant cancer as a part of that. It isn’t an ovarian cyst. If the pain persists I need to go back to the doctor but I will go back to the doctor anyway. đ It is scary.
Regarding non-monogamy.
I have a few motivations for my position. Sexual novelty is exciting, I don’t equate sex with love, it is unrealistic (and felt disingenuous) to pretend that you’re not attracted to other people. Or be afraid to voice that attraction for fear of making your partner insecure. I was with someone in an open relationship once and it was very liberating to talk openly of these things with my partner. I would like the freedom to pursue sexual novelty from time to time. It is true that this can arouse feelings of jealousy but these needed to be treated with care, discussion and honesty too.
Regarding Mr:
We didn’t have any sex while we were ‘just friends’ after we broke up.
One time, he did not respond to my message for 2-3 days. He claimed he hadn’t seen it and was frustrated that he had missed it. I took him at his word (but due to my issues it planted a seed of anxiety and doubt.) I didn’t really know how to address the issue any further at that time: It was taking his word for it or leaving, basically. I did tell him it had made me anxious, he asked me to explain that more but I dodged answering.
Other than that, he did not give me the silent treatment. He claims the one time he did was not because he was seeing someone else but because of a passive-aggressive comment I had made that made him uncomfortable.
âBy his own admission heâs a mess in relationships and has frequently ambiguous platonic/ romantic ties with womenâ-
* What were his words on the matter, what did he say?
Those were his words, pretty much. He said he has a lot of female friends and sometimes struggled in his head to distinguish what was a platonic friendship from a romantic or sexual relationship.
That oftentimes his romantic relationships just fizzled out into friendships (but an ambiguity remained and occasionally would break out into a briefly sexual phase before fizzling out again.) He was in a turbulent on/off relationship with a woman for 7 years in which they both dated other people – although I think they had a monogamous phase to begin with. He obviously thought a lot of this woman and cared for her but they argued a lot and he dumped her a number of times.
Indeed he dumped me saying “I need friendship right now.” From the outside it looked to me as if his long-term relationship was on the brink of ending- he was under a lot of pressure and seemed quite stressed. He told her also that he “just wanted to be friends.” when he ended the relationship. He told me after, “That’s what I do.”
He claims to want a committed partner and relationship and that he is lonely.
-Feathering
Feathering my nestParticipantHello Anita,
How are you?
Thanks for your message.
Phewee was yesterday full on. I was rushed to hospital for some potential emergency surgery – getting my appendix cut out! It was scary!! After tests it turns out I don’t have appendicitis- but they don’t know what is wrong with me.
I’d have preferred it to be appendicitis if I am honest, and be done with it.
Anyway my mates and my mum took good care of me and I felt very loved. (My dad is away with work but was so worried he wanted to get a flight back from China to be here!)1- I am monogamish. Meaning mostly monogamous but the occasional shag elsewhere is tolerated provided it is not with someone who may threaten the integrity of the relationship. (Eg. someone you have strong feelings for, an ex….) Honestly regarding these affairs is super important.
2. You wrote that you donât know who is a decent person and who is not, letâs think about this man: do you think he is decent at times but when he rejects you or doesnât respond to you in a timely manner, then feeling angry at him, you think he is not decent, passive aggressive and so forth? It might be the anger talking. You can trust your evaluation when not angry.
This is a fair comment. Its true I need to check in with myself and pay attention to the anger in particular. I will think about this but am unable to respond to your question directly at the moment. Lack of trust feeds the beast.
Mr Gentleman seems to have calmed down a LOT since I explained to him my reasons for meeting a bit more. He said it sounded like a positive meeting – so I think he will not bail on me this time. (Although I did pre-emptivley cancel because I believed I would be in hospital on Thursday. So we may have to re-arrange again! He was nice to me about the hospital thing.)
-Feathering
xx
PS- as we talk more and more it is getting harder and harder not to sign off with my real name.
Feathering my nestParticipantHello City Girl,
I can relate to your situation somewhat, and am sharing my story with you. Make of it what you will.
I’ve been in love with one of my best friends for almost a decade. Over that decade, I have been humbled to see him grow into a wonderful man. Generous, diplomatic, practical, loyal. Honest. He really is the person I love most in this world- possibly because we’ve never had the complications of romance to deal with.
He loves me dearly as a friend and it would hurt us both if I cut off our friendship. But yeah: being together as a couple will never happen. I finally had the courage to tell him 5 years ago, he said he did not feel the same way and nothing has happened to suggest he feels otherwise now. (Indeed I was with his brother for 3 years, so I know he would not be with me simply out of honor. Stupidly I dated his brother because I could not face telling him how I felt.) In many ways, he fills the role of a partner for me. When he has a girlfriend I experience a tangible loss as he gives his time and energies to them.
Anyway: I have met, and loved, people since. My heart is big enough for more than one person – he taught me that.
But I still want the things that come with a relationship, I accept that they will be with others and not with he. My feelings for him will probably not change and at times I do feel conflicted, it is hard to see him with another woman. It really hurts.
(But then maybe he found it hard to see me with his brother for so long too – I have this intuition that we could have been together, long ago.) I accept these difficulties as being the cost of my friendship with him.Lovers come and go but some friends are for life and I cannot imagine my life without him.
Feathering my nestParticipantI think he might bail on me a second time.
I did text him and directly address his concern of ‘returning to the same dynamic’. I said I’ve realized some things about the way I relate to men that now I know, I cannot unsee. So we can’t possibly go back to that old dynamic. :/
Anyway I’m feeling anxious (Or angry?) again now but mindful its because I feel a bit ignored after making myself vulnerable. Even though I’m like: get a grip that was about 2 hours ago.
Despite his claims to be interested in self-development, he’s actually passive-aggressive and now sure he’s got the capability for the personal growth claims to seek. Like I saw myself chasing my own tail trying to figure out my issues: that is he.
Feathering my nestParticipantHello Anita,
I would love your help. Thank you. This has been more productive than my time spent in therapy.
Reading my old diaries from the past 4 years and I was watching a dog chase its tail. Trying trying trying to figure out what was going on. Unable to see it.
My therapists of past have not been very direct with me – I can see how they were trying to help me address the problem at that time but they never explained to me what they thought was going on in direct terms. (Is that unusual?)
Projecting my own experience to yours, I would say: you will be angry at each and every man you get involved with, sooner than later. Some of the men will be jerks but you will be angry at the good ones as well, and no less. Every single man will become the enemy, sooner than later.
This made me really sad.
Because my feelings of anger are so intense, I cannot tell who is a decent guy and who is not. Because my anger creates a victim mentality and a sense of entitlement, talking to my friends has only reinforced my sense of entitlement. They only get one half of the story. I think this is why that self-help rubbish has been destructive: a lot of it is quite angry. (“Forget about him he’s an asshole, love yourself!”) This has fanned the flames.It is because your feeling âunloved and unappreciatedâ will be activated quickly in each and every beginning relationship, and then âas soon as those feelings kick in it triggers a cycle of thoughts, feelings and behaviors that are extremely difficult to stopâ, your words.
I am hopeful that now I am more aware I will be able to talk about it and mitigate the worst aspects of this.
Now seen, cannot unsee.
I am really hoping I do not have to go through multiple more heartbreaks and breakups before I have a stable relationship. I am so lonely and have been for so long already. Really suffering with it over here.
-Feathering
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