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That really is very true. Perfect controlā¦ is simply impossible. Nobody has perfect control over a situation or someone else. Not even the worldās most powerful men and dictators. Only for so long can they make something happen or someone do what they want, by force or convincing. We cannot make anyone feel within what we hope for them to feel (forgiveness or willingness to talk)ā¦ can only do our best with honesty and sincerity. At least thatās what I am hoping to do, for thatās what I have power over. Iām trying my best to turn my love into a strength rather than obsession. Trying to study harder keeping in mind what we had discussed earlier. But the uncertainty and doubt of what will happen in the future, is certainly a strong fear factor hard to overcome.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantAgreed Anita. Quoting Dumbledore from Harry Potterā¦ āitās the unknown we fear when we look upon death and darkness, nothing else.ā That uncertainty and doubt certainly inspires fear like nothing else does. Presently thereās only one thing that produces such fear in me. You know what it is. The rest I can manage and at least taking your advice and my own resolution, am doing my best not to let it affect my studies. By trying to be positive, I am managing to control this fear so far. I do run to extra food in these times. Canāt help it. š
As an aside, am also trying to get rid of my lifelong voracious habit of biting nails to stubs. Perhaps gaining a little more confidence that way can help in some manner.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantVery true Anita. It takes a lot of strength and perseverance to go against this voice knowing that itāll keep torturing you if you donāt go with what it says. But am trying just that from the last few days. Reminding myself of reasons why I know what it says isnāt right, and trying to distract myself with other things when it gets active. Studied until 4:30 AM today without much pause. When I tried to sleep, memories of her came back and after two days, I could not hold back my emotion. It was soon morning and I went out for a test without even feeling sleepy until the noon. I guess my newfound resolution to change myself and try to be positive, is giving me the strength to keep going for now. Dunno how long itāll last.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantPretty imperfectly. The “inner critic” won’t leave me alone. It’s surprising how despite knowing that this voice is wrong and only causes trouble, I find myself going with its advice in heated moments. It caused me to do all those horrible things and now accuses me for doing all those.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantHehe. I hope that boy is far luckier in these matters than I have been. š My aunt and cousins live in the US, and both of them have done world tours to Japan and Europe all alone, when they were barely 12-13 years old. The kind of feat I canāt ever dream of myself doing.
The getting-stronger-by-the-day, sensible, to-be-free and independent Ravi again had a short burst of temper today. Realized Iāve not updated my progress diary for long. Need to do it today.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI donāt even know if I would call it bullying, or if there really are any prisoners or jailors or whatever. My personal observation is that the majority of it, from both sides, is merely creating problems where there are none. She complains about them, they complain about her. Both sides have some valid complaints and also have done things I feel they shouldnāt have. At the end, I am not interested in these family politics but I get sandwiched in between, and the result is here to see. Both sides claim I have my freedom as far as theyāre concerned, and itās only the other side not letting me be free. And of course nobody likes at all to be blamed (except dad who does accept his faults). Especially my momā¦ itās a sin against nature to blame her of anything at all. Now that the time for freedom is hopefully near, Iām not mulling over this as much.
The home I will have somedayā¦ I donāt really wish to think of it. I knew whom I wanted to make that home with. And I donāt wish to have lost her directly or indirectly as a result of all this. Only when sheās with me, I can consider my home complete. Right now, as we discussed, trying to be optimistic and focus on the only step I have power over ā the exams.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantItās true Anita, what you said. At least thatās what they keep telling me. Honestly though, I feel a lot of times they overreact. They say that they cannot go out since sheāll shout at them, they cannot let me go anywhere without them as she wonāt allow and we cannot stay out after a particular amount of time as again the fights will start. I said that they could just do anything they wish, come home and ignore the shouting, and stay away from her until she becomes calm and normal (which almost always happens within 1-2 hours or so). That way the problem can be easily managed without any trouble. But they donāt do that, instead they engage with her and escalate it. Either way I really donāt like the way these things go here. I want to qualify this exam and then strive for freedom as discussed.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYou are very right about that, Anita. I had never really thought of it that way. I cannot really comment on its veracity since Iāve not practically tested it myself, but my parents often say ā āif it werenāt for fear of your grandmaās anger, weād have given you freedom long backā. But there was this incident back in school days when I was cycling to school and met with a small accident. When I came home, my grandma didnāt say anything but my mom shouted at me and after that, I had to reduce going out on cycle and completely stopped after leaving school.
Now sadly, itās not just due to family but as a result of the inertia developed from years of this situation, I myself donāt feel like going out anywhere. I donāt feel like attending parties or even visiting friends, and merely sit at home on the PC or reading books. I donāt feel like I have confidence to even to go to a shop and buy something since I was never given money to use and to this day, if I ever needed anything, it was always my parents paying next to me with the wallet, never me. I guess the neighbour was right in a way saying Iāve become a dummy. Will take a good deal of time to change myself, and then become independent in true sense of the word.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantIām sure itāll be time for a heart-to-heart with my family once I qualify the exam (hopefully). They have been promising me from long that once I do that, theyāll give me anything I wish. I hope asking for the long-overdue independence wonāt be too much then. I donāt feel my grandmother will understand (sheāll just say āyou already do have independenceā) but my parents will do, hopefully.
Iām trying my best to change my attitude. At least I didnāt go cry today when she didnāt reply to my message, though I did feel bad. But reminded myself that things donāt happen overnight and the path of love is not easy. At least will do my best to do keep doing what is right. Am not compromising the exam preparation.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYes, Iāve read about this inner critic thing. Itās so strange that despite knowing this voice is not your friend and only causes damage and chaos, you canāt help but listen to it. As a matter of fact, the very first time I read about this was back in 2008ā¦ the very next day after that neighbour abused me. I was searching online for something else and just happened to come across a website explaining about this issue. It helped a lot because at the time, understandably, the inner critic was tormenting me for not standing up to the neighbour. Looks like nearly 8 years from them, Iām facing the same situation again.
I agree that honest communication between two people almost always achieves the best results. One of my teachers always tells me, that people who tell you the bitter truth despite knowing you would feel hurt, are your greatest well-wishers. I donāt think any person in the world would want to be in a relationship with a pathologically obsessed person who only talks of depressing/suicidal things. Most definitely sheāll feel so bad if she knows I spoiled my exams due to this issue. Might even feel itās best to never come back, for my own good. For sake of the good that I firmly believe is still in there, I will definitely change my attitude. Your post helped a lot in me making this decision, Anita. Genuine thanks from me. š
Regarding my family, I feel their intentions have always been good but they feel that itās only they who know best for me, and I donāt. So in order to make me do what they felt is right for me (like the college issue), they did get manipulative in some instances. And alsoā¦ my mom ignoring the very real issues with my attitude and pushing me to study, I do feel even thatās a kind of obsession.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI agree, Anita. Thatās just what I felt, what you wrote in the first paragraph. I could not be a stronger Ravi or independent Ravi, however, because at the end of the day we both faced the limitation of communicating online only. Via phone or computer. Itās the people I am living with who have had the power to decide what I act like and truthfully speaking, even if I had been in an offline relationship physically, I donāt feel I could maintain it because of how I am restricted at my place. In fact, did not even realize that my anger stems from my upbringing until I discussed with you. In a way, this present painful situation has exposed to me the roots of these flaws that had always been within me, and given me a chance to eliminate them.
I believe that anything in the world, when approached and treated in the wrong manner, can become an obsession/sickness. Doesnāt make it objectively bad. I do not want my loving, understanding and unique relation to become an obsession or sickness. At the very least, I owe it to her to ensure it does not become that. Therefore I am now trying to push away the obsession and focus on assertiveness, positivity and everything we discussed thus far. Iām controlling myself and focusing on studies to ensure that my love doesnāt degrade anymore into an obsession/sickness, and after my exams, once again becomes what it once was.
I just wish I had some way of giving my inner voice a big, hot, strong cup of āSTFUā so it did not goad me into doing wrong things in life.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI understand what it comes across as, Anita. I would be lying if I didnāt admit I myself hadnāt felt this way at some point. āI wish I had never started watching that show at all, never participated in that forum, never became a fan of that actorā¦ none of this wouldāve happenedā. That sort of feeling. But analyzing it deeply, I can see that Iām only deluding myself. Everything did happen for a reason. I know that I suffered, but I also learned more than I can express. She learned from me, I learned from her. Be it patience, understanding, working together, not giving up hope, knowing whoāre your allies and enemies, sacrifice, the joy of togethernessā¦ everything, I practically experienced with her. It surely did make me a better person in many ways, more than I can express here. It did make me confident when we worked together and I was able to do things I never imagined I otherwise could, all thanks to her encouragement. I may not have been able to be independent in my real life here with my family, but whatever I did online was my independent work, thanks to her and others too. The inner flaws in my personality due to my upbringing were always there, even if I had never met her, and they wouldāve turned up at some point or the other in my life. Iām glad they turned up sooner rather than later.
There is nothing wrong with āfantasyā. Everything we discussed did have some practical thought. I guess itās just my flaw of being overly pessimistic in thought and word, something Iāve always done from childhood. I know the cat is out of the box and her reaction was more out of fear than anything. But like you said, and my friends remind, sheās still very young and in terms of the long run of life, our relation has barely started. Doesnāt mean sheāll always be upset with me or keep thinking like this. I donāt want to do any haste and cause more damage. Gave it a lot of thought today and at least managed to calm myself to an extent reminding myself of this. Managed to study well too, as a result.
I wonāt post about her, if you say. But I surely wonāt call it an obsession or sickness now. It had become that, during the past few months when I got overly possessive, caused the fight and now when I started posting here. Iām trying to move ahead of that and be calm in my approach. At least I wonāt ever regret our relation, no matter what happens.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI know. Even I was thinking the sameā¦ or rather my inner voice was saying, why are you persisting when she must be happily enjoying her life, sheās not bothering to talk to you. Give her time and sheāll contact you if she wants, otherwise itās her choice. But I know that this thinking is wrong because for 3 years she quietly put up with all my misbehavior and only now, after I crossed limits, has she stopped talking. I cannot do the āsour grapesā thing, pretending itās her choice when in fact I caused it, that too the most prized relation in my life after my parents. Also, the male in any relation is expected to be confident, understanding and assertive; Iāve been none of those. It truly is a really tough situation with both action and inaction being painfulā¦ the latter most definitely.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI donāt feel itās of any use keeping that imaginary sight in mind, which will just cause more pain. š Truthfully, Iām not imagining anything of that sort right now. I just wish we were back on talking terms at least first. Enough to send a good morning/night to each other or something. The rest I can worry about later. I was considering sending her the message via a friend, so she may or may not be quiet. But I donāt feel her reply will be positive either. It hurts whether I try to contact her or stay away. I donāt know what to do.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI know. I guess she knows that in some way too, but now that she knows I have feelings, she is no longer comfortable talking to me. This plus that fight we hadā¦ a double issue now. My friends say I should give her time to recover from this and wait patiently for her to be ready to talk again. If I send her something, she may not reply at all, reply with just a curt āthanksā or even my worst fear, tell me directly or indirectly to stay away from her life and never contact her again (her usual way of telling me to be away is “your studies are more important, go and study and forget me”. She kept saying that last month… one reason I’ve started to hate studies). I am afraid my inner demon might again interpret her words forcefully as offensive and the hell breaks loose again. Even now it tells me, āwhy are you so worried? She mustāve forgotten you and must be happy with her brother and others. Youāre a loser and not good enough for her.ā Iām tired of this internal dialogue.
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