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  • in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #102878
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    Thatā€™s true. Regarding that void, I have no choice but to push it back for now because as long as itā€™s there, thereā€™s no way I can study. I had sat down with the full intention to finish a couple of chapters last night, and the pain got so overwhelming that I couldnā€™t continue past 10-15 minutes. Maybe I am a fool for hoping sheā€™ll somehow realize the truth and decide to reunite, though I canā€™t help it. I just have no interest left in my life which is full of nothing but pain and misery now. Iā€™m studying for that exam not out of any sincere passion anymore, but because thereā€™s nothing better to distract myself with. I just keep hoping I donā€™t wake up alive the next morning. I realized that nobody here who claimed to love and care for me actually does so. Just my parents who are praying everyday that my personal problem gets solved, though I didnā€™t tell them details.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #102852
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    I donā€™t blame her, because sheā€™s just fifteen or so. And I know I myself have behaved worse with Jerry. At least until I successfully correct myself first, I cannot point fingers at anyone else.

    I actually listen to orchestral music only. Iā€™m having to avoid all the emotional pieces because they remind me of her and make me cry. I feel this gaping void inside me that has sapped out all happiness. I just am keeping up the positive faith and working first on what Iā€™m facing in the immediate futureā€¦ the exam.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #102786
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    Thanks Anita for explaining the issue so well. I know what her sister said was extremeā€¦ I just have a habit of taking such things to heart. Especially when she is someone who was on very good terms with me and I really loved her like a little sister (and still do), helped her with her studies and all. She never even once actually tried to understand my situation. They may not have expected me to develop these feelings, but I did not expect them to start calling me a traitor and pervert like this either. I at least have no intention of contacting her sister again. If somehow we do talk, hope I can control my temper.

    I hope she never has to suffer the pain of family disintegrating at least… I’ll always wish only for her happiness and wellbeing. My mind keeps telling me things like ā€œyou shouldā€™ve been satisfied with having her as a sister and not greedily desired moreā€. Iā€™m slowly learning to control that critical voice and push it back. Trying to distract myself with music, novels and all though I cannot really enjoy them from the heart anymore, like I used to. Goodness only knows whatā€™ll happen in the future. I can only pray for the best and focus on being a good person and keeping a clean conscience.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #102771
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    Thanks Anita. I know that but her sisterā€™s words really hurt me a lot. ā€œYes, you did really bad, you called her your sister and then tried to selfishly change relationsā€¦ not expected from youā€¦ you stabbed her in the backā€. Iā€™m feeling like some molester or rapist. Combined with my previous misbehavior with Jerry which is inexcusable anyway, Iā€™ve lost most of my self respect. If I had not treated her so badly, I do feel she probably may not have been so harsh on me now. Probably would at least have tried to understand my situation instead of breaking our bond without hesitation.

    I can only pray that she remembers the beauty of our bond and realizes that I really do love, care for and respect her, and will always do so. If our bond was true, which I believe it was, then I hope it eventually helps her put aside her beliefs and re-establish our relation. Iā€™m studying until my examā€¦ thatā€™s all in my power presently. Thanks and you too take care. Will try to post sometimes.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #102742
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    Iā€™m sure this is the truth. In fact when you consider the extremely conservative Indian culture, it almost definitely is the reason. I knew that sheā€™ll take my feelings this way, thatā€™s why I never confessed them to her. I never asked her to ā€œchange relationsā€ at all. In fact, I said that if only a brotherly bond was acceptable to her then Iā€™m ready for it (though as you said, its too late now). I donā€™t know what else I couldā€™ve done. I just find this really ironic because sometime ago when our favourite actress was being bashed at the forum for wearing a short dress, Jerry said to me that thereā€™s nothing wrong with such dresses and we should be liberal and not subscribe to stone-age thinking. I guess people are really good at cherry-picking what they want to believe.

    Husband is a far-fetched dream when currently sheā€™s broken our 3-year bond and is treating me like a criminal. Though my friend says she will come back if our bond was true (which I firmly believe, no matter what she and her sister say). If no more travesty happens, I hope I can make a birthday thread on our forum for her in June, just something simple to appeal to her heart and remind her that I really do love and care for her. Beyond that, Iā€™m clueless.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #102693
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    Hi Anita. A week ago, I talked to Jerryā€™s sister with whom I normally was on very good terms with. I did it despite you and my friends advising not to do anythingā€¦ once again I let my feelings overrule my judgement. Hereā€™s some highlights of what she had to say ā€“

    ā€œJerry and I did not expect this from you, did not expect you to transform from a humble and caring brother to this. In fact she felt you truly cared for as your sister.ā€
    ā€œYes, you did bad. Itā€™s a horrible thing to call someone your sister and then trying to change relations. No good person would ever dream of doing this. Itā€™s wrong, unethical and you stabbed her in the back. You betrayed her trust.ā€
    ā€œI think all the girls who call you their brother need to be wary, because anytime you can change your feelings and start lusting after them. Our favourite actress whom you now call your elder sister, we noticed your comments about her in the early days and feel you donā€™t love her but just have these lustful feelings and then tried to change relations and call her a sister, and now youā€™re lusting after Jerry in the same way.ā€
    ā€œTo love someone, you need to know them very well. Jerry never told you anything personal that can justify you saying that you love her. She always told you very limited things and we made it clear that we can only be your Internet friends, no more. We were wrong to think relations can be made online; I now know the Internet is a dangerous place due to people like you who wear masks, trick innocent people and then stab them in the back. Our own brother is the best; heā€™ll never lust after her unlike you.ā€
    ā€œWeā€™re not angry at you. We donā€™t hate you. Hating is different from just not wanting to have anything to do with you anymore. Weā€™re doing what we feel is right. You have many girls who love you as their brother; hope you have a great life with them and please donā€™t stab them in the back the way you betrayed Jerry.ā€

    Needless to say, her words pierced me badly and Iā€™m unable to get them out of my head. Though I managed to do my third exam fairly well yesterday, but these words are on a loop in my head day and night. I did not respond angrily to her, I did my best to keep quiet and wish her well only. I donā€™t mind it because I feel I deserve this pain for misbehaving with my Jerry and taking her for granted. But still, after three years of a loving bond I cannot believe they are calling me a traitor and pervert now (she did not actually use the word lust, but it was easy enough to make out what she was hinting at). The comments about our favourite actress sheā€™s referring to, so many people said something like that and they never minded me saying that before. Now suddenly, theyā€™re looking at everything I ever did in this manner. Is even commenting about someone having a charming smile/eyes, a lustful thing??

    She first says I cared for each other as brother and sister, and then says she never shared anything personal (an outright lie) which means we shared no bond at allā€¦ so why is it a sin if I loved her when apparently she only called me brother as a formality? Does loving her romantically mean I stopped caring for her, or lusted for her? It means I turned from a ā€œhumble and caring brotherā€ into an evil internet monster who traps innocent girls online? All the girls I call my sistersā€¦ apparently I imagine them naked and fantasize about molesting them?? Nobody told them that a true bond can never be replaced by another? Everything I ever did to make her see that sheā€™s special for me, means nothing and I just am a pervert whoā€™s been after her?

    Iā€™m also delighted to see that not one person whoā€™s claimed to care for me has come forward to help me in my time of need. A few people asked, felt bad hearing about my condition, uttered a sweet ā€œhope all gets wellā€ and went back to their usual delightful lives. Only 2-3 people are kind enough to let me vent out my pain and sorrow to them, and they too either send smileys or a ā€œHmmmā€ in reply and then forget about it. Only one person tried to ask her not to break relations with me. Iā€™ve seen her going around posting online and about our show/actress without any regrets, everything normalā€¦ I guess soon sheā€™ll forget thereā€™s someone who truly does care for her, or will remember me only as a traitor and pervert. Enjoying life with her dear ā€œownā€ brother, not caring that someoneā€™s been crying locked up alone in a dark room from nearly 2 months thinking of her, feeling the vacuum her absence has left crushing his heart and soul, wishing for nothing but to breathe his last as soon as possible, letting her be in his last thoughts.

    Iā€™m sorry for this getting so long and depressing, but I have nowhere else to say anything. Iā€™m in fact grateful for my exams now, because at least they give me something to do and distract myself. I dread the day my exams end and Iā€™ll be joblessā€¦ this depression will surely consume me and wreck me. Its my birthday in two weeks and I know Iā€™ll sit like a madman at 12:00 AM thinking sheā€™ll send her sweet ā€œitā€™s finally the day a very special person was born!ā€ message as usualā€¦ and my phone will sit silent as a grave and some random relative will message me as a formality, or all those fair weather friends who suddenly will remember that I still exist (unfortunately). Iā€™m thinking of cutting contact with everyoneā€¦ after all, Iā€™m an internet monster and a disease in the society.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #101775
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    Thatā€™s so sweet. šŸ™‚ Thanks Anita. I do hope I can get the required marks in that exam.

    It is at least a partial relief for me knowing that Iā€™m not wholly responsible for this situation. I do feel guilty for my anger and Iā€™m doing my best to overcome that, but itā€™s quite obvious that itā€™s not what sheā€™s been concerned about. I donā€™t understand why is loving a girl as anything other than a sister concerned such a terrible sin. A while back I asked another friend what sheā€™ll do if someone she considers a brother starts loving her romanticallyā€¦ she said this same thing, that sheā€™ll give him a sound telling off and break ties. I really donā€™t get this kind of thinking. Did our bond of 3 years mean nothing, to be ready to break it in three seconds like this?

    I do hope she eventually sees the truth and decides to patch up. Of course Iā€™ll always love and respect her in my heart, and will be there for her if she ever needs me. But I donā€™t know what else I can do when sheā€™s taking wrongly everything Iā€™m trying to explain. Iā€™ll just leave this up to the higher powers and focus on my exams, like you said.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #101768
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    Hi Anita. My first two exams this week went fairly well, the second one better than I expected. Though I still have a long way to go regarding my syllabus. Also, itā€™s confirmed that this year is my final chance to qualify the main exam on May 17, as theyā€™re changing eligibility rules next year. Itā€™s now or never. Iā€™m doing my best to focus on preparing for it.

    I had messaged Jerry regarding my efforts to change myself a couple of days back, and she sent me a message via her sister saying she doesnā€™t want to continue our bond anymore because itā€™s not brotherly now. The convo went something like this (she was only messaging via her sister telling me ā€œshe asked me to tell you thatā€¦)ā€“

    Me ā€“ If only a brotherly bond is acceptable to you, itā€™s totally fine by me. Please try to understand I never meant anything wrong. My feelings arenā€™t under my control after all. Love of any kind is love. I always respect and care for you.
    She ā€“ Itā€™s easier said than done. Those feelings can come back anytime. You cannot claim to truly love me because you know nothing about me other than whatever little I told you. Your love is nothing but infatuation just like you were smitten with our favourite actress in the early days. You may think itā€™s easy to keep changing relationships like this, but I donā€™t.
    Me ā€“ I donā€™t feel any two people in the world know 100% about each other. I do know enough about you to be sure that my love is not a whim. But thatā€™s not relevant. Please try to understand. Did you really not miss our sweet talks and old days this month weā€™ve not talked?
    She ā€“ I donā€™t want to listen to all this all over again. I only wanted to convey the message that I donā€™t want to continue the bond. Stop this lecturing.
    Me ā€“ I wonā€™t lecture. But Iā€™m only requesting you not to break this beautiful bond weā€™ve had for three years, just due to this. If you only can accept a bro-sis bond, Iā€™m ready. Dealing with my feelings is my responsibility. We both know how precious our bond is for us. Please think over it.

    After this, I have a feeling she herself chatted a little with me about my studies. I may be wrong, but the writing style seemed more like hers than her sisterā€™s. I feel I tried my best to be gentle and kind, though I felt bad that my feelings are being considered like some horrible and inhuman sin and sheā€™s acting as though we had nothing but very formal talks these three years. I know itā€™s just immaturity on her part and Iā€™ve even given my assurance to somehow overcome my feelings and keep our bond the way she wants.

    I guess the fight we had isnā€™t relevant anymore, so Iā€™m putting it back though Iā€™ll of course keep up my progress to change myself. But honestly, did I commit such a terrible sin by loving her? Something so bad to break our bond of three years in this manner? šŸ™ I did my best to try to convince her not to do it. If thereā€™s anything more I can do, I am willing to do that too. I donā€™t know what else I can do. I just pray she sees the truth and tries to understand my situation.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #101256
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    I hope so, Anita. Am hoping to change myself and do these exams well… and proving myself worthy. The rest, I can only pray. Thanks a lot again for your constant support and encouragement. Truly means a lot to me.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #101138
    ravi_zimmerfan
    Participant

    Yup I understood that. I didnā€™t mean Iā€™ll send something as an anniversary or something, but it just feels bad thinking itā€™s been just a month when it feels like years ago. Iā€™m not obsessing over it or exhausting myself emotionally, but naturally when itā€™s something so vital to my heart, I cannot just forget it. I do push it back when studying, and make sure that my studies are not affected. But after all, studies arenā€™t the beginning and end of life. Iā€™m sure career, money and all will happen. But without her, without what my heart wishes, itā€™s merely superficial. I know Iā€™m merely going in circles so will refrain from mentioning it.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #101132
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    Iā€™m uncomfortably reminded of the invisible pink unicorn logic, when it comes to something being believed valid simply because it canā€™t be disproved. But yes, I do feel that based on my own trust in the bond we shared/share. After all I donā€™t feel true love and care (of any kind) can be erased so easilyā€¦ it can endure much more than this. Today itā€™s one month since we had that argument. I hope I can write something nice sincere and send it to her, conveying honestly how much she means to me. At least thatā€™s something in my hand to an extent.

    Yes Iā€™m trying my best for that ā€“ to become someone I myself can respect. Thatā€™s one thing I surely still donā€™t feel as I look at myself in the mirror. I still can see only my faults, shortcomings and bad deeds. No wonder thereā€™s anger and frustration welling up somewhere insideā€¦ simply because I am me. I doubt Iā€™d have felt so insecure and jealous had it not been for that. Qualifying this exam and striving for freedom is the first step in overcoming this.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #100989
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    I know Anita. At least I know that my efforts to change myself, make up for my behaviour and do whatā€™s right now are sincereā€¦ and I can see some effects of that in my life at least. Whatā€™s not in my power to change, I canā€™t do anything but leave it up to karma. It doesnā€™t make the pain less intense. But I do know that every strong relation has to endure such tough phases and if our bond truly is genuine, and I truly do love her, then we cannot be separated permanently. At least I do feel it in my heart, delusion or not.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #100983
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    Yes Anita. Yesterday one of my good friends I hadnā€™t been in touch with for long contacted me and I superficially explained my situation to her. She too initially said the same thing as everyone elseā€¦ you must not think of suicide and all because you must live to serve your parents, life does not stop due to just one person, etc. I understand peopleā€™s rationale behind all this but I just donā€™t know how so few understand that I too have my own wishes in my life, that someone can indeed mean more than a personā€™s life to them. I do agree that it should not become a sick obsession and cause damage. Am doing my best to ensure that, but the pain which returns periodically, hurts a lot.

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #100913
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    I hope so. And all credit to your selfless motivation and encouragement, and patiently understanding my situation. Can never be grateful enough. Feels good to see my parents happy with my efforts to co-operate with studies. I just hope I can push back the sadness and fear in my present conquest at least for the time being.

    @humour ā€“ Thank you so much for your kind words. Means a lot to me. šŸ™‚

    in reply to: Depressed due to guilt and fear #100904
    ravi_zimmerfan
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    Thanks Anita. Yes, self-control and patience during these times is the hardest to practice. If I had done it long back, I feel much of this situation couldā€™ve been easily avoided. Itā€™s something I truly am determined to develop now, for her. At least I can see some progress, even if its slow. I hope I can keep it up. Good thing is I have an exam on Sunday and as a result of the preparation, I donā€™t really have time and thought to give to my anger and frustration. Managed to keep that inner voice at bay whenever it tried to rear its green-eyed head again. Bet itā€™s not happy.

    The only thing I can do about the fear is to sincerely wish from my heart. I can study well, I can do good enough to qualify my exams, I can work hard to overcome my inner demons, I can eliminate my negative qualities and become a better person, I can do my best to repent for my deeds and prove myself worthy of being with herā€¦ those are things in my power. But reuniting with my Jerry isnā€™t. If my love for her is genuine and I have always loved and cared for her from the bottom of my heart, and my present efforts are sincere, then I wish I am reunited with her. I donā€™t feel I can do anything else.

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