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I canāt say I ever felt that way regarding the death scene. I didnāt have any problems with my family back then and I never felt that I lost my innocence or the false image of a loving parent. I always felt the death scene was touching because it featured raw human emotions and emotion is contagious. My greatest inner fear is losing my loved ones, itās always been that and I guess thatās why it affected me so much. In fact I always feared losing Jerry tooā¦ I always feared doing something that would lead to her abandoning me. I even confessed it to her and she just laughed and told me weāll always be together. But my fear turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I do admit the reason for lashing out at Jerry is grounded in my past experiences which we discussed much in previous postsā¦ especially that foul encounter with the neighbour.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYep, I mean the bond itself was special and thatās what he cherished. He did not actively seek a more special position in his fatherās life than anyone else (and he already had it).
I did have a special bond with him, yes. Though I donāt remember that much since I was very young back then. But he used to teach me maths, watch cartoons with me and read out stories for me
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantOkayā¦ yes, agreed about patience. š
Having seen the film, I donāt feel Simba ever cherished being treated special in particular. He and Mufasa just shared a wonderful father-son bond and he loved his father more than anyone and anything else. In fact just before the stampede scene, after Mufasa saves Simba from another dangerous situation and scolds him for putting himself in danger, thereās a really sweet scene of them playing under the stars which affects me as badly as the death scene itself. Simbaās pain touched me because around the time I first watched the movie, my grandfather passed away. I guess those memories come back when I remember it.
I had known Jerry for two and a half years prior to this incident and I never felt the greed to be extra special to her. I knew how much I meant to her and I cherished itā¦ but the feelings of jealousy did not come until much later. I guess as we grew closer, I developed feelings unconsciously and never realized how much she had grown in my heart.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThat is quite right, Anita. This is what makes me feel so bad and ashamed of myself. Even my friends reminded me… she already had given me a special place in her life that nobody else could take. If I had just been satisfied with it, she would still be with me. Hell, she even told me she rarely messages a good morning/night to her cousin brother while we talked nearly the whole day. I don’t know what the hell is my problem then. Then I think, even if I remained satisfied for now… what when in the future, I got news of her getting married. Whatever is happening now, most likely would have happened then.
I’ve finished my message draft. Shall I post it here or elsewhere?
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThatās so touching, Anita. Even I canāt hold back tears to this day while watching that sceneā¦ thatās why I generally skip it. I agree that the kind of love Tintin had for Chang and Mufasa for Simba, I have for Jerry. Not boasting but its just a simple fact that my heart agrees with. I know I too would be willing to put myself in line for her if she ever needs. Whether that is the kind of love I need her to have for meā¦ truthfully, while I could not ask for anything more divine in my life, I donāt demand and expect that of her. I know I was too blinded by possessiveness earlier this year. But I know that even if she continues to hate me and consider me a pervert and monster, Iāll still love her as much until the end.
Tintin and Mufasa did have other people they loved and cared for as well, though of course Chang and Simba had a special place in their lives. I cannot deny the truth of the rest of the paragraph, though. It makes me feel guilty as it feels like such a selfish thought. I know itās not right either as everybody has a special place in someoneās life, and I know I myself had a most special place in Jerryās life. She called it a āunique bond nobody will ever be able to replace or breakā. I wish I had just been satisfied with it instead of being greedy. But thenā¦ as soon as she found out about my feelings, she began saying we donāt know each other that well, she always had doubts about my purity of character, etc. Her beliefs caused this disasterā¦ I know the real Jerry who loves me is still in there, somewhere. And yesā¦ after accepting my feelings, I did not mind the thought of her loving anyone else (platonically) but if she called me ābrotherā, I knew I am nothing in front of her blood brother for her and someday when I got to know sheās going to be marriedā¦ how would I deal with my feelings then? All this makes my head spin.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI donāt know if my effort actually helped that release somehow, or it wouldāve happened anyway. I just like to think that it may have catalyzed things about 0.1% and motivates me to never give up. Still thanks a lot. š
There are two things in the movie that influenced me a lot (spoilers)ā¦ firstly the infamous death scene which felt really raw and harsh to me as a child, quite unlike anything else I had seen. Somehow opened up to me how ugly the world can be. Secondly, I like how the exiled Simba whoās guilt-ridden having been tricked into thinking he is responsible for his fatherās death, after being reminded of his responsibility as future king by his fatherās ghost, goes back to save his kingdom even though it means facing his family and accepting his ācrimeā. Again, the concept of learning from the past and doing the right thing and not the easy thing, however painful.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI guess it was several years back when I had been supporting an online petition to get the complete orchestral film score of The Lion King released by Disney Music. That music means a lot to me on a personal level, and it was always my dream to own a wholesome version of it instead of the 15 minutes released on the commercial CD. Everybody I met told me that the release is impossible as the general public does not listen to orchestral music, online petitions seldom work and told me to remain satisfied with a cheap sounding bootleg version that was floating around online. I still used to post the petition link everywhere possible, emailed a lot of people and worked on it for almost 6 years. Eventually, the composer Hans Zimmer himself seems to have noticed our efforts (if his interviews are to be read) and slowly things got into motion. Finally the complete score was released two years backā¦ coincidentally the release was announced on my birthday. š
Perusing a seemingly fruitless venture may be a fantasy but like Tintin who persevered in what his heart believed, despite all his friends and all circumstantial evidence pointing otherwise, I believe that the path of true love is the hardest and most painful, but the right one.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantWhen it comes to fruitless ventures, I take “Tintin In Tibet” as an inspiration to follow what my heart believes in. Even if it’s a solo journey. š
Is there a way to delete updates later? Or maybe you can use a secondary/temporary email if possible. Just an idea.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantHonestly speaking, Iām not expecting anything positive from her. I know sheās been blinded so deeply by her beliefs that she wonāt see the truthfulness in my messageā¦ rather her sister will sit with her and point out all the hidden perverted meanings that the rapist swine Ravi has cleverly inserted in the message. If she ignores or rejects the messageā¦ doesnāt mean Iāll give up. Will just mean Iāll have to send some different kind of message later. Or if worst comes to worst, Iāll try to meet up with her in person someday. Iāll win her back or go to the grave trying. I just need my well wishers to stand by me even if its a seemingly fruitless venture.
Iām drafting the message. Itās not coming out as truthful and honest but more self-depricating. Iām still trying and will surely show you when Iām done. Is there any private messaging system available on this forum?
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI meant like, when her sister was directing all those accusations at me I didnāt respond back strongly or anything. I tried to keep all my replies mild other than the one where I asked her not to message me until she put aside her notionsā¦ after that I still sent her an unconditional apology if she felt bad (and got no reply). I guess it wasnāt totally submissive but I did try my best not to lose my temper or say anything violent.
Softening her stance is the hardest thing imaginable to me. She was never like this before; I donāt understand how sheās become so heartless and stubborn all of a sudden. I admit I committed faults too but Iām doing my best to make up for them now, genuinely. Can she not give me just one more chance in that regard. š I wish she could understand that itās not like I keep attempting to make up with everyone who leaves meā¦ if it were anyone else in her place, Iād have backed away by now. There are thousands of girls out there in the world (in her sisterās own words ā āyou have so many girls calling you brother, so enjoy life with them and leave my sis alone, goodbyeā), and if I am still not having anybody but her in that place in my heart, it is out of genuine love. Lust or obsession can never provide the motivation to keep up at what appears to be a losing battle. I wish she understood.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantNot sure what else would she consider as āpureā as a bro-sis relationship. I had suggested to her that we can be just normal friends and clearly even that is unacceptable to her. Need to think this one over, what to say to her and how to put it in words.
I wonāt refer to her sister, but some things I do feel like asking her. Like she says me developing feelings for her after 2 years shows her that I understood neither her nor her nature. So, did she and her sister succeed in understanding me? After those same two years, they call me a traitor and pervertā¦ is that all they understood about me? Of course I donāt want to act in an aggressive manner, but being mostly meek and submissive from March doesnāt seem to affect her anymore. I probably need to be carefully assertiveā¦ somewhere between aggressive and submissive.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThat indeed is the biggest problem. In fact if it hadnāt been for that, we possibly might have been reconciled by now. She had called me āRavi broā back in April and I had taken the point to call her sister, but it doesnāt seem to have any effect on her. Itās such a paradoxical/catch-22 situation that Iāve grown bitter and resentful of this whole brother-sister concept. Maybe her stance on this issue can be softened a bit somehow to realize that not every loving inter-gender relation is brotherlyā¦ that I genuinely love her and care for her, never intended anything bad for her and our bond was true, no matter what her sister says. That a true bond transcends labeling and itās not right to break relations like this. I wish she realized even a fraction of it somehow.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThatās right. And truthfully speaking, I have a feeling that her sisterās counseling (for lack of a better word) has turned her against me even more. Not that the latter is malicious, but both of them share this delusion that the Indian cultureās dogmas are the ultimate truth, a boy no longer has the right to even quietly develop feelings for a girl once they call each other brother and sister, etc. Iām not saying that developing the aforementioned feelings is fully right, but breaking relations and treating me like a pervert and traitor is just extreme. I know that sheās being cold even towards a couple of mutual friends who had given her messages from me (neutrally, in one case). She and her sister totally believe that whatever they do/think is The Right Thing ™ and everybody else is wrong. I donāt know how to make her see sense.
I agree with your views regarding what would be right to send her. But some points really need to be considered in this regard before sending her anything.
1) She presently thinks the absolute worst of me. No matter how much she says āI have no anger towards youā, sheās fooling only herself. 90% chance is, she will delete my message without reading, and in the remaining 10%, sheāll read the first couple of lines at most and then ditch it. The opening lines have to be such that hold her attention somehow, long enough to persuade her to read on.
2) She has a tendency to take wrongly everything I say, look for hidden bad meanings in there, twist them to fit as a target for her beliefs. Even if she doesnāt, her sister is omnipresent to do the honours for her. The message needs to be clear-cut so they cannot easily make straw man arguments out of it. At the same time, I wish she somehow realizes that she must use her own mind and not let her sister keep influencing her.
3) She is extremely stubborn (now), refuses to consider any views contradicting hers and believes firmly that any relationship between a boy and girl other than brother/sister is unholy/filthy/sinful/whatever. Yep, even simple friendship. Itās bro-sis or nothing. Now that it doesnāt seem to be an option anymore (me calling her sis no longer seems to have any effect), I donāt understand what to say to her.
I was waiting for another friend to come up so she can advise me regarding this tooā¦ maybe then Iāll try to draft a message. Thank you so much, Anita. Truly.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI feel I can handle the jealousy. The anger, I pray I can. Though Iāve had a couple of temper incidents in the past month but itās significantly lesser than before. I donāt know if what was can even be back now. The March incident is a point of no return. I just wish she understands that her present views about me are wrong, and so is her decision to sever ties. I wish weāre back on talking terms at least, however feeble. The rest we can deal with as things proceed.
Regarding her sister, the question isnāt how I will deal with her wordsā¦ the question is how Jerry will. I imagine the moment she sees my message, she goes and shows it to her sister and the two of them do a deep analysis of it, making out evil meanings that were never there, and then either decide not to reply or send something cold and hostile. I donāt know how to make her understand that sheās fooling only herself by confirming her views with a young child.
I had drafted an overlong message addressing her sometime back, more to vent out my pain than anything else. I donāt know if sheāll even read it or delete it without reading, if I send it to her. Another possibility is sending a āif I ever meant anything at all to you, then reply and try to understand what Iām sayingā message. If she does reply, which itself would be a miracle, I donāt feel itāll be anything friendly or understanding. This is all making me feel unsure and hesitant.
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ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThanks Anita. I’m not optimistic, rather I’m scared and unsure. But I’m not one who gives up on what my heart genuinely believes in. I know I’ll persevere and succeed or die trying… no matter how long it takes. I need guidance on how to make her see through her delusional views which have blinded her.
Will do those, yeah. But truthfully speaking I’m feeling no happiness or enthusiasm within.
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