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Actually, what the “friend” shared with her wasn’t offensive in general terms. I had merely expressed that my feelings for Jerry were no longer brotherly, and I perhaps should accept my changed feelings for her. However, she feels hurt and offended because she told me before that I’m the only boy apart from her cousin that she ever talks to, she always distrusted being with boys but it was only me who won her love and trust to this extent, and therefore she loved me as a brother and hopes I’ll always be this way. I did not have any ill will when I realized I loved her more than a sister. I did not lust for her, or flirt or say any cheap things (at least not intentionally). My respect and care for her remain the same, if not more. But she obviously feels betrayed that the only boy she ever loved so much as a brother, now developed romantic feelings for her (for lack of a better word – I’m not a romantic person as such). 🙁
This is exactly the problem. All those words of regret and apology, I must’ve her told her a thousand times now. And I did mean them… but the foul temper always gets the worst of me and the incidents repeat. She has no reason to believe in my sincerity. 🙁 I did tell her she means a lot to me… I avoided too much contact recently, both out of respect for her feelings, out of guilt and making sure things cool down and I improve myself and make myself worthy too. The brother-sister thing is over, I don’t feel we can ever be that way again. I cannot stop loving her either. My only wish is to push back my feelings for now and be friends with her again, when she is willing and I’ve changed myself. Everything else can be considered later.
I feel that avoiding contact completely might cause our bond to decay. Is it true? I messaged her yesterday after a gap of 5 days, am hoping to message again on Wednesday on a festival here. After that, I really dunno how to proceed. I need guidance.
I messaged her this today – “I still consider you a wonderful and unique friend. I’ve pushed back my feelings as I believe in our bond and its most important for me. Though I have no right to ask, I hope you eventually will agree to be friends again. I care for you too, always.” Hope it’s not inappropriate. My inexperience with relationships shows clearly. 🙁
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantIts true, Anita. But I currently am feeling totally drained. I truly loathe myself for how I treated her, someone I love beyond words. Right now she messaged me saying – “I once considered you my brother, so I hope you know I’ll never mean you harm. Good luck and take care.” I don’t know what it means, if she’ll ever be ready to be with me again. I’ve sent a message suggesting we can be friends again, that I’ll always care for her. But her cold and offended tone truly stabs me and I know only I’m responsible for it. 🙁 And even if we reunite by some miracle, if such an incident ever happens again, it’ll be the end definitely.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYou’re very right, Anita. That’s why I chose not to go for more professional counseling, especially in my place where corruption is predominant. Perhaps would be just a waste of money and time, making the situation worse. I indeed am trying my best to be honest as I have nothing to hide here, nobody knows I’m here. I should mention though, I’m here more for her and not just for myself. Not boasting but I honestly find that I’m much more motivated to work for something after knowing that I’m doing it for someone I love. She had said to me, “please be with me always”. Though she won’t admit it now, I know what I meant to her too in her tough times. I know how much she’s hurt, all due to me. I truly do want to make up for my sins and earn back the right to be with her. Not just for my happiness, but hers too.
Regarding fighting back, I’m not sure but it might have something to do with something I suffered at a young age. There was a guy who used to beat me up in school for fun, and when I went home crying, my parents told me not to fight back, or the teacher will consider me guilty too. Just report him to her. I didn’t do it as I was afraid of the strict teacher, and afraid that the guy will get angry that I told on him and hit me even harder when he finds me alone. So I endured this bullying for about 2-3 years until I finally got sick of it and decided to strike back. Funnily, the only time I’ve ever hit anyone physically in my life to this day. There were a few more incidents in higher classes later where some mouthy guy insulted my family and my response was apparently insufficient; a “friend” goaded me saying – “Look, he insulted your family and this is all you respond? You’re a spineless worm, a loser, a (insert demeaning noun)”. This same guy and his friends filled my head with such rubbish for 2 years… “you’re useless as your grandmother has turned you into a dummy, you can’t even drive a bicycle properly, nobody will ever like you…”.
The neighbour incident also counts, yes. I suspect this is what instilled subconsciously in me, this desire to “fight back” unreasonably, even when its overkill. Because in those days I spent myself brooding over my friends’ words calling me a coward for long, fantasizing about what I should’ve done so people didn’t think I am a wimp. I guess my brain, after perceiving an insult from Jerry though she intended none, just told me “if you let her get away with it, you’ll hail yourself as a wimp forever.” She’s just an innocent victim of the detestable person that I’ve become. 🙁
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYou put it forward wonderfully and it resonates with much of what I’ve been feeling myself. Ironically, the friend who let down my trust is a psychology student herself… that’s why I had confided in her in the first place. I looked up an online anti-depression/suicide prevention service run by psychologists, willing to help victims for free, but unfortunately the person who talked to me was not very patient or understanding. Upon my request, my parents visited a psychiatrist who demanded an insanely large fees. We can’t afford that much. That’s why I started looking to online forums for help.
I should clear that I’m not denying my parents’ role in shaping my temper to some extent. Its just that knowing how much else they did and suffered for me, and the undeniable fact that as an adult I had/have the responsibility of behaving in a mature manner and not like an uncivilized, uncouth barbarian like I did to Jerry, makes it hard for me to lay too much blame on anybody but myself. I’m not being mollycoddled or restricted today the way I used to be. If I truly love her, I should have changed myself for her the way I had been promising her every other day from a year. She had extracted from me this promise to change myself, a promise I’ve not been able to fulfill to this day. It was my New Year resolution to never hurt her again… and I ruined it in January itself.
Like you said, #2 is a root cause and will take much time and effort to work on. #1 is the immediate thing to address. I do not want to be what I am. I do not wish to hurt innocent people like this, by having a short fuse of a temper that goes off at the slightest perceived provocation. Every day I remind myself of the quote, “words you say cannot be taken back, so never say anything without thinking of its effects”… but in the heat of anger, I just forget everything and I feel this voice inside telling me, “don’t be a coward, just say it or you’ll blame yourself forever for not having had the guts to fight back.” When in reality I know that I’ve regretted every single thing I ever did due to anger, to this day.
If I’m able to truly help you out too, it would be a joy and honour for me. Sometimes these things work out better than all the professional help out there. 🙂
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYou are right regarding that, Anita. It’s true that the way I grew up, being confined and under much restrictions, developed this attitude in me without my conscious knowing. It might even be genetic as some of my family members have been known to act this way. But what’s done, is done. I can try to avoid being controlled now, but I don’t know how to eliminate my temper, intentionally misconstruing others’ words to be offended and such awful attitude. Like if Jerry said, “I don’t like you behaving like this”, I could’ve agreed and tried to change instead of taking it as a slight on my ego.
I wish to do my best to change myself for the better, at least sufficiently not to let anybody else be hurt due to me, and my relationships not be harmed. I also am at a loss for how to reunite with Jerry, to make up for hurting her and letting her know I truly do care for her, am willing to change myself for her.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThanks Anita. 🙂 Thank you so much again.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantDear Anita, thank you so much again. I agree with most of what you said. I’ve already learned to simply do what my gut feels is right, without telling them unless its absolutely necessary. I do know my parents have my best interests at heart, and they did sacrifice a whole lot for me. Unfortunately, from my personal observations they simply are not the best at being practical and therefore sometimes make questionable decisions I have no choice but to follow. I hope with better communication to them, we can work out those eventually.
But I truly dislike blaming others for my behaviour. No matter what is my past, background or upbringing, as you said, I’m an adult and if I truly respected Jerry and considered her feelings, how could I ever say such awful things to her? No matter what my upbringing was, I should have had enough self control to not let my temper dominate, not let certain words come up on my lips at all. Here’s a very watered down version of what I said to her:
“You’ve forgotten your place. Nobody abuses my parents. If you don’t shut your filthy mouth about them, may your tongue rot and may you (insert horrible fate). Do you want them to die of (insert fatal disease)? Don’t worry, my mother already has a critical condition and you might get your wish sooner than you expect. Goodbye.”
It’s not even the only time I spoke to her so rudely… it’s happened countless times in the past year, though not this violent. I loathe and despise myself for treating such a sweet, gentle, kind-hearted and loving girl in this manner. If it were anybody else in her place, they’d have left me long ago. I doubt anybody who ever saw these foul messages of mine could ever believe I truly love her. The right of whether to forgive me or not is hers… but unless I root out my anger from the core and repent for my vile deeds in every possible way, I truly don’t feel I deserve to be with her, even if she forgives me. I Googled about “abusive relationships” and everything I did matches with what I found. I truly loathe what I’ve become.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantDear Anita, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for looking into my issue with such sincerity and willingness to understand and help. You’ve done more for me in this regard than anybody in real life did… even my own blood family. It should tell you how much it means to me. Thank you, thank you so much!
I had never thought about this issue in this way, until you pointed out these particular incidents and correlated them. Your explanations make perfect sense to me and its true that my subconscious revulsion towards being mollycoddled like a baby throughout my life, being subtly or directly told that I’m delicate and vulnerable and incapable of taking care of myself, my own lack of self confidence and maturity due to all this, all of it contributes to my anger in some way I don’t realize. Adding to it, I was always shunned by the “cool” guys in school and when talking in a group and people don’t respond properly to me, I feel unwanted and ignored.
Its not like I dislike my grandmother, I love her a lot but you can see this kind of thing is very extreme. In fact, when I was preparing for college entrance exams, she didn’t let me go to any good coaching institute out of this very argument (“You’ll be out in the hot for long and might get sick, you’ll not eat well”) and insisted that I get home tutoring only. Which was very abysmal and as a result, I could not get admission in a good college. I cannot say anything because she gets offended very quickly and my parents tell me to just be quiet and accept everything. Although this issue is far less relevant these days, what happened in the past seems to have surely left some impact which induced this dreadful temper in me, I’m sure.
But I cannot excuse myself for my behaviour and for ill treating someone so dear to me, no matter what the root cause is. The end result is that I’ve become a detestable and vicious person. I just wish to become a good person again, make up for my deeds and reunite with her. Thank you so much again, Anita. Truly I’m grateful.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYou’re right to a good extent I feel. She does repeatedly say “none of you care about me” even though we try our best to be with her. However she does not know about Jerry; not even my parents do. I’ve not told anybody in real life about her, though I did hint ambiguously to my parents.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThank you so much, Anita. I cannot express how much it means to me. Of everyone I spoke to regarding this issue until now, it’s you who has been most understanding and genuinely willing to help to the fullest. I hope everything gets well for you soon. Best wishes and stay blessed. 🙂
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYup, that’s kind of true regarding my family’s general approach to things. I don’t like going out much anyway but yes, being isolated turned me into even more of a recluse and I sometimes feel I’m not even half as mature as a 26 year old would be expected. I don’t even talk to girls or like to be around them in real life. I doubt anyone close to me here would believe I’m in love with one. 😛
There indeed is a strong message in the dying part, yes. I am very protective of those I love. Like, protective to insane levels. I see insults against them everywhere, even when not intended. Another incident: in that TV show forum, we had once tried holding a birthday celebration of my favourite actor together with a veteran actor in the show (they share birthdays). When the latter’s fans began getting rude saying stuff like, “How dare you do this, is your XYZ as important as our respected veteran?” I posted there, “According to you people, is she a dirty *censored* and not even fit to be called a human being?” Same with the incident regarding my other friend. My brain interpreted her jealousy towards the girl I love (let’s just call her Jerry) as something insanely exaggerated and it got that response from me.
In the past, many of my arguments with Jerry used to go like this:
Jerry – Look, they were just defensive about their favourite actor since he’s a veteran and understandably deserves most attention. They spoke well of her in the past too. Your reaction was out of line.
Me – If they respected her, they wouldn’t have said things like (insert quotes of those people). But yeah, after all she’s just a useless piece of *censored*, what does it matter right?
Jerry – Don’t you use such words for her! Even they didn’t do it! And you’re not the only one who cares for her, even I do! I don’t like you behaving like this.
Me – Of course, you don’t like anything about me. I’m just a *censored* and I hope I don’t wake up alive tomorrow, I merely trouble you all. Goodbye!Then I would storm off and in the morning there would be a hundred apology messages from her saying, “Bro I’m sorry, I didn’t mean that! I love you.” I would feel really bad and apologize to her too. But incidents like this happened not just once, or twice… literally hundreds of times. Anyone else in her place would’ve left me long ago. I took her love for granted, clearly. Though I always felt genuinely bad for my behaviour and truly love and care for her, I don’t feel anyone who ever looks at my behaviour can feel it’s true.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThat’s partly true. Regarding my grandmother, my parents are my caretakers but since she gets very offended if she does not get her way, they relent and do what she asks. In fact my parents do it themselves as well. Like even now, when I’m depressed and after being asked finally confessed that its trouble with a friend that is the reason, they said – “Don’t worry, we’ll talk to your friend and get them back to you.” If I got bullied in school, they used to go and tell the bully to leave me alone. Many times my teachers asked them to let me learn to stand up for myself, but they didn’t.
But I don’t feel that’s the root cause for my temper. I’ve fought a lot of times due to people messing around with my things, or touching them with dirty hands… that irks me a lot. During arguments I have a dreadful habit of making straw-man accusations and though my rational side tells me that it’s ridiculous, the angry part of my brain forces me to go ahead anyway. Like the argument with my other friend I mentioned – I could’ve just said something like, “I know you love me too, so do I. You both have unique places in my life.” But I found myself saying, “You want her to die so you’ll have my sole attention?” I’m feeling my situation is just karma for failing to understand my other friend’s emotions. 🙁
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantIt may be hard to believe, but to this day my grandmother never let me drive a vehicle out of fear of accidents. She never let me go to friends’ homes saying I could be kidnapped on the way. I’m not allowed to go even to the shops right in front of my house, or even to go to the terrace to talk on phone as I apparently might fall down the stairs. If I’m late in coming home from classes, she always makes a huge fuss about not being on time for lunch/dinner, says that it’s better if I quit college as nutrition is more important (I’m truly not exaggerating). It just makes me feel dumb and like a toddler, when she does this. I can understand overprotectiveness but even then this is extreme.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantDear Anita, thank you so much for your kind words. I’m grateful and yes, your understanding is very much spot on for as much as I posted here. 🙂
Regarding my temper, the neighbour incident doesn’t fully cover my issue. I’ll give another example… if anyone messes around in my room or moves my things around without telling me, I tend to get extremely irked. My grandmother is extremely overprotective, that again is a number one issue for getting my temper up. Recently another close friend got somewhat jealous of my bond with the girl I love. And when she expressed it to me, I don’t know how but my temper flared up and I told her, “So what do you want? Do you consider her an obstacle, do you want that *censored* to die so I will be with you only?” I truly have started hating myself for such behaviour. It may happen once, twice… but now it’s truly turned me into a horrible person, and I’ve lost all self-respect and am on verge of losing someone dearer to me than my own life.
You’re right about what we meant/mean to each other. Honestly, I’ve felt that in certain cases, online/text messaging helps some people (especially introverts) communicate in ways that talks on phone and in person don’t. I’ve even experienced it with my cousin. When he’s here, we hardly talk but on FB we could chat for hours non-stop. Similar situation with her. I know how much she loves/loved me because not only she put up with all this atrocity from me without a single word until now, but she told my other friends that she loves me and never wants to lose me (as a brother). She went out of the way to create lavish gifts on my birthday and a festival celebrating the brother-sister bond of love.
I don’t know what chance I have for a relationship. My only wish at the present is to genuinely repent for my deeds, to be with her again at least as a friend. I truly don’t feel I deserve the latter until I can change myself for the better.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI’m 26 and she’s 20. No, she’s in a state much further from my place. But honestly, distance is not the problem. I had asked her if we could meet when I was visiting the place earlier, but she flat out refused and even asked me not to mail her any gifts, because her family is extremely conservative (you know about the Indian culture and all) and if they ever find out she’s gotten so close to someone from the Internet, the consequences will be dreadful. And apart from that, she herself isn’t willing to accept my feelings.
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