Forum Replies Created
-
AuthorPosts
-
ravi_zimmerfanParticipant
Youāre right Anita. Growing up in an incubated environment means that I have no skills to handle discomfort. Truthfully speaking, physical pain I can handle, at least I had some experience in that regard (not that I invite it). But emotional pain overwhelms me. Obviously being brought up as though Iām a delicate flower that will wither upon the slightest touch of a dewdrop doesnāt do much to boost my self-confidence. But more than that, itās also true that I have never loved someone to the extent that I love Jerry. Not to mention my guilt for being the monster I was/am. Iām someone who still canāt hold back tears during that infamous scene in Lion King. You can imagine how badly this present situation is affecting me.
I did try my best to complete two or three topics today. Just tried to focus on the text while studying and eventually found I was just staring at the same line for an hour without thinking, my mind elsewhere. When the depression and memories struck, closed the door and relieved myself two or three times. Could not do anything about the crushing sensationā¦ just sat passively and tried to tell myself, āItās a test of your patience and love for her. As long as you work sincerely to change yourself and study, she will come back. Itās not the end.ā I dunno what more I can do. Itās really painful.
I know itās an opportunity to make myself emotionally stronger. But itās taking a toll on m, physically and mentally. I know I deserve this pain for my misdeeds. I donāt know how to measure my progress, if Iāve become any better than I was when I did all that.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI had said that as a kind of hypothetical example. There were some instances of punishment, some of them involving flogging and others being milder stuff like being made to stand until the bell rang, detention, writing lines etc. In every case, my family rarely emphasized enough on the reason behind my punishment, rather they were concerned about the discomfort I had to endure. Naturally that made me feel vulnerable and delicate.
Iām a weak person, honestly. At least emotionally very much so. Firstly, I really donāt feel an emotionally and mentally strong and confident person would ever hurt their loved ones with such bad words, get offended on imaginary insults or lose their temper on small incidents. Secondly, despite being a 26 year old male I am not able to hold back my tears in these moments. Iām not saying crying is for the weak, but even by that standards I just get emotional too quickly. Right now on hearing any emotional song or piece of music, it is only Jerry I can think about. Her smile comes up in front of my eyes, I can hear her laugh in my head, I see her sweet āHiii broā messages in my mindās eye and I get this terrible crushing sensation in my chest and am not able to hold back my sob. I need to immediately put on some aggressive music on headphones to mask the emotional tune, otherwise I cannot survive. I donāt know how to focus on studies in such a condition.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI know. Last night, her health suddenly deteriorated and I was so worried. I’m trying to focus on studies, but both these issues bog down my mind and it’s proving to be so hard. It’s almost like everything bad is happening at once this year and I’m finding it unbearable to handle all together. š
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI cannot think that much about myself, but thanks a lot Anita. I do hope I will be able to live up to that, at least. I know Jerry believes so tooā¦ otherwise she would not have put up with my deeds for so long. Even now, she did say sheās not ending our relation. I wish that along with our studies, Iāll be able to continue my effort to eliminate my negative qualities and change myself for the better. Only after I am able to earn the right to be with her again, and hopefully do these exams well, can I consider myself a hero in my own life.
Speaking of my grandmother, I was just thinking how my anger stems from being overprotected in childhood and I began feeling angry just seeing her eating something. Thoughts like, āyeah keep eating while here my life is getting ruined due to what I was taughtā kept popping up. I really donāt like being like this either.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThereās a door, yes. But they come in to check sometimes if Iām studying or wasting time (the computer and all are in the same room). I donāt like keeping it locked as I go out once in a while to get fresh air. I guess if I really have to pursue my goal to qualify the exams, then itās not so much of an issue. Iāve already wasted two months due to my possessiveness issue, which was far less critical then what Iām facing now. I dunno how to make up all the pending work in just about a month. On top of it I have no motivation to study, I just keep brooding over the same issue and hating myself. I hope working hard until exams and working on improving myself can at least be some penace for my evil behaviour.
Thanks a lot for the support, Anita. Really means more to me than I can express.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThanks again Anita. Addressing these issues separatelyā¦
1. I definitely am interested, yes. I chose this career of my own accord but everything I had to endure for the past years, has soured my motivation to pursue it. But then, the biology field in India doesnāt offer any more strong careers as of now. Theyāre not really worth it considering my age and lack of time. I do need to study hard to solve this once and for all.
2. I know. I can accept it being a temporary break. But the fear of losing her keeps haunting me day and night. Her memories torture me all the time. My guilt at hurting her kills me. I am only surviving by keeping my faith in our bond alive in my heart like a Patronus (in Harry Potter terms). I know that even if she contacts me right now, Iāve not yet changed myself and it just isnāt right for me to be with her until I do.
3. I can deal with that at least at the present. As long as Iām seen sitting with a mountain of books, and offer a long grocery list of all the topics I prepared that day, my parents are satisfied. I can keep that up until exams and then work out the issues we are concerned about. Problem is, my depression wonāt let me study and me sitting like a zombie in my room is attracting concern.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYes. This was barely a week back and very much is still continuing. Iām sitting in my room like a living corpse, refusing meals and crying over memories of her, and all my parents are worried about is how much āvaluable timeā I am wasting, time in which I couldāve solved another two hundred precious MCQs on atomic structure or oxidative phosphorylation. When I get angry saying that Iām expected to be working like a robot with no emotions, Iām told ā āDonāt say that! What about your friends who are scoring 99% in all practice tests? Are they not humans with emotions too? But see, they give priorities to studies and put everything back. Theyāll qualify the exams and unless you work equally hard and push back this issue for now, you wonāt.ā Then when I persist, mom says ā āOK fine, weāll put aside your studies for now. Tell me, whoās this person you love so much and are so worried about? Weāll make friends with them, convince them to forgive you and talk to you again.ā I was so flabbergasted at this that I didnāt even know what to say.
OK I do understand how crucial this exam is, why my parents are so concerned as Iāve nearly ruined my career already, and they’re working very hard to make sure I get the best facilities. I do agree that a good job is vital to earn respect in society and life. I just did not expect mom to brush aside a clearly serious issue regarding my personality flaws so lightly, and ignore the fact that Iām suicidal and half dead due to depression and grief, all they care is that I couldāve studied more in that time and not the fact that Iām being crushed with anguish. This just hurt me a lot.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI understand that, Anita. I can see where youāre coming from. But clearly, being gentle and patient did not work for me in this past year. Right from December 2014 when I had been acting like a vicious monster, Jerry messaged me sweetly and patiently on my birthday in May and asked me so gently, āBro, itās your birthday today. I only ask you to promise me a few things. I ask you not to use abuses for yourself. I ask you to be patient and understand what Iām trying to say, before getting angry. I ask you not to repeatedly quote the hatersā bad words for our actor we love. Can you please do this much for me?ā I promised her. It wasnāt like my promise wasnāt sincere, that I didnāt feel bad each time I failed to live up to it. But you can see where it led to. Clearly being just gentle and patient wasnāt sufficient, or my resolve wasnāt strong enough. Do I not love Jerry enough to wish to sincerely change for her? Then why did I fail every time? She has every reason to believe I wasnāt sincere, and thatās what made me feel I shouldāve been harder with myself. But I agree with your statements that self-hatred will only make this worse. Iāll do my best to control it.
I can live with accepting that I did something terribly wrong, and I cannot change it. That damage is done. I however, cannot live with losing her. I want to sincerely make up to her for what I did. And most importantly, fulfill right now the promise I made to her nearly a year ago; sincerely change myself completely.
Regarding my mom, Iād probably have been offended had I not been so angry and hurt with my family myself (I wish I was like this during that talk with Jerry). And yesā¦ in fact I was just talking to my friend about it, even her mom giving her the same āstudies are everythingā lecture. I didnāt want to post this in publicā¦ but I guess you really should see what else my mom said:
Me: Mom, please stop trying to defend me. I did something really horrible to someone I love and respect a lot. I cannot be excused.
Mom: None of it matters. Can we please just put this aside until your exams are over? Then, I promise weāll work on this together.
Me: My guilt and depression wonāt let me study. Iāve become a horrible person. Of what use is money and fame if I have no values left?
Mom: Yes, career is everything to live in society today! Do you deny it?
Me: No, butā¦
Mom: Just see your uncle. He uses the most foul language I ever heard, even beats his wife, but heās a top ranking doctor in town and all respect him. So what if heās not behaving well? He has all things money can buy in life. Even my own (family member) used to abuse me badly, but I am saying nothing.
Me: Mom, are you serious?? No matter who does such behaviour, it is WRONG. Should I not be a better person than those people? Are you saying such behaviour is acceptable as long as you become a big doctor or whatever?
Mom: No, but you just go and study now and stop thinking all this. Just qualify your exam first. I promise weāll take you to a psychiatrist, do whatever you want then.
Me: Because of me, out there someone is hurt and crying and so depressed. Donāt you think the society will blame you too for giving me wrong values?
Mom: Look, you are wasting valuable time. How many topics are left to be covered in physics, chemistry? Are all your assignments complete? Did you studyā¦
Me: *Storms out in frustration*I have no more to sayā¦ the above convo speaks for itself.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThis is indeed very true. Right now I have been trying to recall even a single instance when my family ever blamed me for something wrong I did at school or elsewhere. The only incidents I can recall areā¦ not studying well enough, not following their wishes, that painful āI wish I have a son for a doctor in my next lifeā drama I mentioned earlier. I donāt think they ever told me to correct my behaviour towards others. Even if any teacher or student ever said a word against me in school, they immediately went there to fight with them without even waiting to fully know the situation. I myself got so tired of this that I stopped telling them about school incidents soon after. Like if I failed to do my homework and the teacher made me stand outside the class, I can never imagine my family even reprimanding me for not doing my work and ensuring I did it, rather theyād lament over the extreme torture my delicate legs had to endure for those 30 minutes.
I have always accepted that this kind of behaviour ā being angry, not having a filter over my mouth and saying awful and abusive things is wrong. I hated myself for it, I felt seriously bad for Jerry and more than once resolved to never do it again and make her as happy as I could. I did succeed in making her happy too but such incidents occurred again periodically too. I just donāt know why Iām not able to stop myself when something āticksā me off (in this case, a perceived insult towards family). That āinner voiceā kept saying ā āyes, it is an insult! If you try to ignore that itās an insult, and be quiet, I will hail you as a coward forever for failing to defend them!ā It was forcing me to say even worse things, but my rational side stopped me saying ā āif you say that to her, then whatever chance you stand of reuniting with her will be gone too. ENOUGH.ā The only thing Iām glad for.
I cannot be gentle with myself so easily. I only visualize poor Jerry crying quietly alone after reading this vile poison I sent her and I am reminded that nobody but me is directly responsible for this situation. If I had been harsh with myself from the beginning and severely punished myself for abusing her, forced myself to improve day and night, none of this wouldāve ever happened.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantYou said it rightly, Anita. Fact remains that it werenāt for Jerry, I would not even be here. The only reason I want to change is for her. Otherwise, life simply went on for me without caring what anyone thought of me. After all, even now when I confessed to my parents that I hurt a loved one very badly, my mom says ā āA darling little boy like you canāt hurt a fly. That person must be taking advantage of your innocence.ā Even one of my friends, after knowing this, kept insisting Iām a good person and was ājust angryā, until I pressed her to be honest and she admitted I was disgusting. When people around me work hard to lay all blame off me, why would I have noticed anything until such a monstrosity happened? The fact that it happened many times and despite wanting to change, I didnāt, shows that I did not care enough. Thatās just the harsh truth. (Though not trying to lessen my blame, but this was the only time I said something directly against her. Other times were all like āI know Iām bad, you donāt like me, I hope I die.ā Not that itās any less bad.)
I know the truth. I just know that if she truly leaves me, I donāt have any motivation to continue my pursuit either. I know people will keep saying, āthere are things more important in life, sheās not everythingā, but I cannot let go of her. Especially because you know how wonderful she is and itās all my fault for this situation. I know I most definitely do not deserve to be even back with her as a friend without making significant progress in changing myself. I do have enough faith in our bond to feel that we still can be back, at least one last time. I pray it happens and nothing bad ever happens between us again. Itās my only wish and the only reason I am here hoping to change myself and be back with her when the time is right.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantIāll keep that in mind, yes. Sorry again.
Vile is really an understatement to what my message is. Itās not human. This is just what I was saying/thinkingā¦ if her family ever saw these messages I sent to her, what would he think of me? Would they not feel I am just another of the cyber monsters who pollute Internet boards? Would her father ever even think of letting us be in contact again, let alone what we discussed? Even my friends were so disgusted after this and one of them did not talk to me for long. I kept saying to her, I hurt you and donāt deserve to be with you. She always replied ā “you do deserve to be with me, because I know the good in you and otherwise I wouldnāt still be here. I just want you to promise me to change and never say such things again.” Is there even a word for how beautiful her heart is? How innocent, kind, loving and faithful her soul is?
I was reading the āghostingā topic on our forum here and I know I did that as well. I ask myself for one good reason why I still deserve to be with a girl like herā¦ and I hear nothing but a ringing silence. My heart doesnāt even feel that she must forgive me now. I feel within that itās best for her to go away from a vicious monster like me and be with people whoāll love and care for her, never hurt her the way I did. She kept saying, āplease donāt be like this, it depresses me, everyone in my family knows Iām sensitive and nobody ever treated me like thisā, and yet she stayed with me and bore all my viciousness without comment until finally I crossed the limits. I know I cannot live without herā¦ and yet, can anybody who sees this ugliness ever feel that I love her? Is it not utter selfishness on my part to still pray for her to come back to me, despite all that I did to her? Thinking all this I just wish I had a cyanide pill or something in handy, these three weeks. I truly am sick of what I am, you can see why.
My grandma actually had a grudge against that boy because in one of the previous classes, his mom used to be the class teacher and for some reason (jealousy or sadism, whatever) kept beating me up for minor reasons and a few times, he unnecessarily told on me to her. Still, I agree it was an extreme reaction from my grandma to talk of him dying and all. Could it be genetic? It truly does make me sick in every way.
- This reply was modified 8 years, 8 months ago by ravi_zimmerfan.
- This reply was modified 8 years, 8 months ago by ravi_zimmerfan.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantI’m sorry Anita; I didn’t notice the post wasn’t by you (was indeed wondering as I knew you know about her family. My bad habit of haste). I agree; the blame-throwing part is something possibly bred into me from family. But I do not understand why it keeps happening though here, in this case I am accepting my fault of ill treating Jerry and wishing to make up for it. I don’t know then why the voice tries to push me as blameless. I always thought I did not have an ego… but isn’t this the classical sign of a huge one?
Do read that above part where I posted the bad things I said to Jerry. All the more reason why I no longer consider myself a good or respectable person.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantElle, this was actually the first time she stopped talking to me. Previously, no matter how much she was hurt, she never cut contact or said even a word against me (even now, she didnāt other than āyouāre playing with my emotionsāā¦ the only thing she ever said to this day). Let me tell exactly what was the last fight we had (not even a fight; it was one-sided with me being the foul-mouthed aggressor).
Jerry ā Admit it, you have romantic feelings for me.
Me ā No, I donāt. I consider you my sister.
Jerry ā The kind of things youāve been saying to me, does one say to family? Do you keep saying āyouāre always in my heart, youāre my dearest parentsā to your parents, for example?
Me ā Letās leave my parents out of this, please.
Jerry ā Then why do you keep dragging my cousin brother into this topic?
Me ā Did I ever insult your dear cousin? If you want to abuse my parents, donāt worry; my mother is already suffering from a disease that might cause her death in a few years. You’ll get your wish sooner than you expect. Kindly shut your filthy mouth now; if you want my loved ones to die of c@nc3r, go wish for it alone and not in front of me. Whatever ill you are wishing, may you bear the fruits of it. May your tongue rot for wishing them ill. My fault to love a *censored* like you. Goodbye!And after this, she sent me this message via someone ā āPlease tell him if possible that I never wished ill for his parents or family. I thought my message was clear, but still sorry if he felt bad. Though he hurt me with the bad words he used, Iāll forever pray for him and wish him well.ā
It hurt me a lot to rewrite that message. But I cut nothing out. I just want to show, how extreme and uncalled for my reaction was when she said nothing at all to warrant such a response. And this happened for almost the 1000th time by now. I treat even other people in this manner at times. Itās a psychological problem of mine, and I hurt innocent people and loved ones due to it. Iām not exaggerating when I say there isnāt a girl like her in this universe, to put up with my vicious behaviour and still love and respect me so much.
Thanks for your advice and good wishes. Means a lot to me. š
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantNo no Anita, that isnāt correct. Iām sorry, I guess I expressed myself poorly. I did not mean to say that she told her family everything or that her father threatened to call the police. All that is merely guesswork from my side, what might happen if they find out. Her family is decent, sweet and wonderful and so is she. I mean anyoneās family will feel that Iām a bad and hurtful person if they see my bad words without knowing the entire context, thatās what I mean. She has nothing to do with this. Of course she did not tell anyone, not even our closest friends about how much I hurt her. In fact when asked, she always speaks highest praise for me, thatās what everyone said. Theyāre genuinely in admiration of the bond both of us share, they had very little idea of the fights we had until I confessed to a few of them. In fact even after this recent fight, she told nobody about the bad words I said to her, she only said that sheās upset due to the fact that she considered me a brother and I developed these feelings for her.
And most definitely she does not have any ill or resentful feelings towards me. In fact she has every right to, but she doesnāt. She always speaks well of me, still prays for my good health and studies, I know that. She never once brought up the issue of our past fights despite having every opportunity, always insisting that she knows Iām a good person and we should forget the past and focus on maintaining our bond. I know that cutting off contact after knowing my feelings is kind of an overreaction, but we should look from her perspective too. Sheās always been a very shy and introverted girl who never liked interacting with boys, I was an exception as we slowly developed a very close bond and she felt Iāll always love her as an elder brother. Naturally she felt betrayed that the one boy she loved so much platonically, developed the very kind of feelings she dreads as she dislikes romantic relations and all in general. I empathize with her and I wish I had revealed my feelings more tactfully, instead of this disastrous manner.
I donāt want to sound dramatic, I know Iām inexperienced but I know Iāll never feel the way I do for her, for anyone else. She has my loyalty and my love forever, sheās the one I wish to be with from my heart. That still comes much later; first, I want to make up for hurting her and reunite with her at least as friends first.
Yes, I know these wrong teachings at my home of avoiding self-blame and criticism are what could be causing this problem. I dunno how to root it out now, though I am accepting my fault wherever I must.
ravi_zimmerfanParticipantThanks Anita. I know that thinking out of the box is the only way for any hope in this situation. Thereās so much more before that, though. I donāt think anybody who sees those horrible messages I sent to Jerry can ever think I am a loving or lovable person, most definitely her family wonāt think so. Neither do any virtues excuse me of what I did. I know itās of no use living in the pastā¦ but unless Jerry returns to me and I give her ten times the happiness to make up for my behavior, my conscience will not stop stabbing me within. I keep thinking of how normally at this time, she used to send me those sweet āHiii broā¦ did you have lunch? How are you? Come letās talk on Facebook, see what I foundā¦ā messages and now my phone is lying silent as a grave, I was enough of a *censored* to unfriend her on Facebook without thinking and have deactivated my account as I canāt bear going thereā¦ I cannot hold back the tears thinking of my sweetie. I just wish to have her back and make up for my behaviour, be on talking terms at least. If I ever underestimate her love and her vitality in my heart again, may I be reminded of these cursed and infernal days before I allow my vile lips/fingers to utter/type a single harsh word.
Iām just trying to convince my heart somehow that itās not over, that sheāll be back and in order to move forward, I need a good career and right now I need to study hard for my exams in May. But itās proving too hard due to the depression and fear.
-
AuthorPosts