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Hi Chris,
Firstly, I want to thank you for your post. For your experience has allowed me to connect with mine and pull answers from this thread to put into action in my own life.I can’t add to what anyone has said, but something that did stand out to me was this sentence “There are no appropriate amends. Not in my opinion.” this is your old thought pattern and process. Believe there is and there will be. Changing these old thought patterns and processes will help you heal ๐
January 20, 2017 at 2:13 am in reply to: Save me please I know Im drowning myself (in my own misery) #125768PoppyxoParticipantHi Janet,
Thanks for this, it sounded like myself!
There are lots of articles on here that will help you to heal, grow and develop yourself. There’s a lot on the internet also ๐
Just remember when feelings come up, don’t ignore them, accept them and go through them, do not ignore them, what you resist will persist! ๐
PoppyxoParticipantWell done Meggosaurus.
This man needs to heal, take it from me, 6 months into healing from my ex boyfriend and after going back and forward with him, undecided f what I want I have come to the conclusion that regardless if I still want a relationship with him, I come first, and that means taking as much time as I need to heal. A marriage carries a lot more than a relationship so I would imagine it’d take a lot longer.
He was probably seeking a relationship to cover up his own pain, and you’re not the right person for this.
Work on yourself as well in this time and try & get to the bottom of your anxiety (this is usually worries about the future)PoppyxoParticipantBrilliant ok. Thank you so much for you’re help xxx
PoppyxoParticipantOk, that’s how I was before so I can do that.
And when she makes small digs at me rather than communicate what she wants to say? What do you advise I do there?
PoppyxoParticipantThanks as always.
I felt she bought the problem to me not only in regards to my Dad but also in regards to when she saw that myself & my ex boyfriend were talking & I followed it up with “do you want to talk about this situation? Do you want to ask me any questions?” (In relation too seeing me talking with my ex) to which she said no. I accepted that, almost case closed. But then she obviously felt like she did have something to say which is why she then followed it up 2 minutes later with a, through gritted teeth “you need to practise what you preach” so she really opened the conversation with anger and jibes at me when she had every opportunity to talk to me like an adult when I asked.. I felt like I couldn’t get away from that situation or ignore her because that’s almost agreeing with her assumption of me getting back with him. As her anger on this occasion was about her assumption that me talking to him means we’re getting back together, when that wasn’t the case. I didn’t mention, but not overly important, that she thought I walked her dog with him the day before “she was 99% sure” until I showed her text messages that proved it was with a friend, I also had a motorbike jacket on that I got whilst on a biking holiday with my ex to which she asked why I was suddenly wearing that ” is it for his benefit”
So – to summarise. When she is nagging to me about my Dad I pay attention but assert that the problem should be shared with my Dad? Or just comfort/listen but not say anything at all?
Not involve her in much dicussion regarding my personal life (although this circumstance was unavoidable as I didn’t expect him too turn up)
Not expect emotional support from her
Not give her advice, just listen
The one lingering thing still for me is, I was going to write, not tell her how I feel, but at what point when I don’t agree with or feel comfortable with something she’s said, do I actually say something?
I’m trying to get over my fear & recondition myself to be open & honest about how I feel.I guess feeling undervalued by her in a way makes me feel unworthy & that I need to prove my worth. This is something I’ve done in relationships so is something I’m trying to work on, so if I’m trying to work on it, it’s clashing with her lack of it. Or is it more about accepting she cannot show this, but it’s not about me, being aware of it, but knowing that I’m ok with that & don’t need that to fill a void?
I hope I am making sense & I thank you both so much for your support so far. It has been so comforting to have in a time like this. I really appreciate it
PoppyxoParticipantok get that.
However, when she cries around me, what do I do? I can’t just walk away? I accept that she doesn’t want help, so I won’t give her it. But I need t set a boundary that her problems aren’t my problems. I guess I need to accept also that she cannot support me in the emotional way I wish, so I need to stop expecting her too and seek it elsewhere (friends etc). However, also in this situation she brought the problem to me, I feel. By me asking her if she wanted to talk about the fact I was speaking to my ex boyfriend I gave her the opportunity to share with me her thoughts & feelings, but she didn’t, instead she jibed about me saying “practice what you preach” this built up anger and annoyance inside of me, what should I have done, walked away instead of engaged? Is it me doing something wrong? Am I engaging in something I shouldn’t be?
PoppyxoParticipantCan I also add, since training to become a counsellor sentences like “Sorry this problem is something I cannot deal with, I love you and I care you, however, Dad is the person you need to speak with, not me” she responds to me like “Stop talking to me like a Counsellor” and gets defensive even in my choice of language, as does my sister come to think of it. It’s like all these people around me are aware of the change in me, not only in my vocabulary, my behavior and my new boundaries and get almost offended by it – this change is a good change, I’m bettering myself, why would they not want that for me? Is it more about them and how they feel about themselves that shows up when I do this that makes them act this way? Therefore I say what I need to but ignore their response. I also get confused with ‘ignoring’ their response as I feel I’m not being authentic tackingly it so I don’t go off resentful.
PoppyxoParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks again for your time.In regards to the ex boyfriend situation, I must not have updated. Last time I told him I needed to heal and figure things out for myself. I feel I need to find my self love, & I’ve realised I hold relationships through fear of being alone, being needy etc.. Once I truly love myself and my life, that is when I feel I can let someone, whether it be him or not, in. He responded that he wasn’t ‘waiting around’ and that was kind of that, that’s when a week or so later he turned up at my house with flowers asking for me back again. I have said to him I need time to think, but will revisit this with him this week and say the same a what I’ve said above. Nothings changed and probably won’t for a few months, maybe years, I can’t put a time limit on it.
As I live with her currently and haven’t got much choice not too, what do you mean when you you say stop trying? I admit I am guilty in feeling like I want to change her, I need to accept that I can’t. I do this because I know I can help ‘fix’ the problems – but in a counselling way – but as people have said, you can’t do this with your parents. She gets offended by my advice, which I guess I shouldn’t freely give, as with my friends I ask “Can I give you my advice?” before proceeding or wait for them to ask me. But when your Mum is crying in front of you because of something she feels is wrong with my Dad, how can I deal with that? “Sorry this problem is something I cannot deal with, I love you and I care you, however, Dad is the person you need to speak with, not me” ? Would this be a good example? I just feel all her anger towards him was put on me and also in regards to my ex boyfriend, I appreciate she is scared if I got back with him, but I haven’t said I am going too, she’s made an assumption, even after giving her the option to speak to me. So I get that I need to stop trying, but when things directly effect me, how can I?
PoppyxoParticipantThank you Nina, this is very helpful.
I will read the article and I hope to gain some insight and knowledge from it.
I have read before an article called “the difficult person exercise” where you try to understand how someone else is feeling and take what they say with a pinch of salt almost and whilst they’re talking you see there difficulties.After our massive argument on Sunday we haven’t really communicated, but I haven’t ignored her either, just not spoken about the subject at hand. I do feel it needs to be spoken of again, but not sure how to come about bringing it up?
PoppyxoParticipantOk that’s makes more sense to me now.
I would be lying if I didn’t say a small part of me would like for me & my ex too work, however, when I have discussed with him in the past that I need to work on myself & he needs to prove over a long period of time that he wants us to work & be a nicer person (he has been quite negative during our break up due to his emotions & not really being able to control them, so gets annoyed & shows that) he seems to think he has changed & got that under wraps. Now I know people can change, but is it unfair for me to almost expect him to wait? Because in a nut shell that’s almost what I’m doing his interpretation is “I’m going to work on myself for a few months, wait for me, put your life on hold & we’ll reconnect in 6 months” what do these thoughts from him translate too, in your eyes? Because I do think he has a valid point, however there is no other way for me.I struggle to see the obvious parts in this as I am emotionally involved so I do apologise if sometimes you may wonder why I don’t see obvious things.
In regards to my Mum, when she says these little digs at me it makes me angry the majority or the time, sometimes I can snap at her, sometimes I can almost make a joke & sometimes I walk away. It makes me feel annoyed that she can’t just talk to me & instead digs with what she wants to say. Sometimes I don’t mind ignoring it, sometimes I can’t help but respond negatively. I also don’t understand how I can just allow it by walking away, I suppose that in itself gives her a signal of being upset? Because when I try to talk to her about how I feel she tells me not everything is about me – so I will use I messages “I feel sad because…” But even that doesn’t seem to work. I’ve had a fear instilled within me for years that I’ve struggled to tell people (romantic relationships in particular) how I feel, I guess we were never brought up to be emotionally open so I never really have been & have battled for years with that, so then when I do open up with her I get faced with the same wall I have from others this makes me want to retreat into my cave again, I have explained this to her, but she took it on as if I was blaming her for being that way & that it was her fault??…..
PoppyxoParticipantHi Anita,
Could you clarify what you mean by “Regarding your ex boyfriend, it just so happens your mother is correct, if I may say so. Hey, even a broken clock is correct twice every 24 hours, so it is.”
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“As a rescuer (your word), best you rescue yourself. So this boyfriend texting his ex, repeatedly, didnโt want a friendship with you. He wanted (a month ago) a physical relationship or nothing at all; he said he wonโt wait. So he is back with flowers. Still not wanting to be just friends; still not willing to wait?”PoppyxoParticipantHi chiaroscuro,
I have such empathy for you!I’ve been in this situation and only recently I have managed to dig deep and find the answers I have been searching for, here are my findings, some generic, some locked to me.
When I was younger I am 1 of 4 older brothers and sisters. I was a very good child and by being good I was rewarded. My brother and sister (minus one brother) were quite ‘naughty’ I remember looking around at them thinking why are they being so naughty? Strange.
These siblings had a different father to me, and although I know my Mum loves me, I always felt a gap in myself that only seemed to be filled by a man in my life, because I was loved heavily by my Dad, being his only child, my Mums love didn’t come close.
I didn’t love, care or respect myself enough. I put up with bad behaviours, because like you, I just wanted to see the good in people. But amongst doing that I put myself at the bottom of the pile.
I didn’t open up about how I felt, what I wanted or what I needed, so my needs weren’t met.
It’s only when you’ve had enough you realise what you’ve been doing. It’s taken me 10 years to realise this. The only way you can start to make changes is to realise what you want and need from people – it wasn’t clear if you were referring to a romantic relationship, or relationship with people in general. And you don’t accept anything less than what you want/need. You start saying no when you don’t actually want to do something and you start putting boundaries in place on what you will not accept.
There are lots of good books out there you can read to help you, just type stuff in google, but read the reviews first ๐PoppyxoParticipantAs hard as this is, see this as a lucky escape!
That you didn’t get him to move in with you etc, he put the ball in motion, not you.The first thing about forgiving someone is when they can agree and acknowledge too what they have done wrong, and make amends by saying sorry, explaining the situation and generally opening up etc.. if they cannot do this, they do not deserve to be a part of your life, unless this is something you don’t mind putting up with of course!
Agree with everything everyone else has said on here though, keep your head strong, there are lots of articles on here for grieving, understanding where and why you are where you are etc ๐
PoppyxoParticipantI am living with my parents yes. The possibility of moving out yet is slim, however possible once I have paid off debts. I am going on a last minute trip to Africa in April through a volunteering opportunity so I am paying that but have about a year left on a loan to pay, so realistically not for a year.
My Dad has said to my Mum that she doesn’t listen and that it would help more if she spoke to me supportively rather than shouting and getting angry. He has battled with her for years, he says she is always right and never listens to anyone else’s thoughts, feelings or opinions. He choose to ‘ignore’ her as he can’t be bothered to stick up for himself and say anything, so just lives an easy life now. She sees this as we’re ganging up on her, but sometimes shes unbearable – most of the family see her way or lack of communication and agree. She is negative a lot of the time, always seeing the bad things in people, taking on others problems and never coming up with solutions to her problems. She would rather just sit and moan and be in denial to it.
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