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Hey Crystal,
First of all, you’re doing an amazing job!! You’re here & your safe 🙂 so well done.I’ve recently been through a similar situation with my ex, we split in June last year. I was similar to you, in terms of wanting something/someone outside of myself to “fill the empty gap within me”, my relationship with my mother isn’t great either & can relate to 90% of your story.
I’m not going to sit here & say that it’s easy, because it has quite easily been one of my biggest challenges in life, I feel quite annoyed at myself, because I lost my Nan & Grandad a few years ago & I’m sure this feeling has been worse! Anyway, you’ve acknowledged this situation & the triggers you have, which is so amazing! Being aware means you’re half way there! I think one of the main things that has helped me through funnily enough is therapy but mainly meditation. Have you tried it? There’s an app called Headspace which is a good place to start. If you haven’t heard of meditation in the unstigmatised way, it’s basically realising & acknowledgibg your emotions/feelings, sitting with them & not making a story out of them. So realising you feel sad. Even saying it… I feel sad, I am sad, you might cry.. but you don’t need to think “I fell sad because of my ex boyfriend & what happened & how I feel about myself &…” – make a story out of it. You’re sad, just accept it. Meditation really helps with this – it doesn’t happen overnight, they say it takes 21 days to form a habit but I’d say after 2 months I was witnessing a different side to me whereby I stopped making these stories in my mind & I stopped ruminating about ‘what ifs’ & what I should’ve or could’ve done.
As for my self love I realised I had none & I beat myself up a bit, played the victim, but I realised that got me absolutely nowhere as I still felt the same if not worse than before. I owned the fact that yes I left him get away with far more than he should’ve & I put myself second but at the moment I came to that realisation was so powerful because I knew I would find & use the tools & techniques to heal myself.
Before I would seek a new relationship in the hope that someone could fix the parts that, quite frankly, I couldn’t be bothered to fix myself & I got myself back into a circle with another man who hurt me just as much as the one before. So I cut off all expectations of potential lovers & started, & still am, concertrating solely on myself.
The books I have read have been very powerful & on many occasions I find myself crying in the pages, but I just let it flow.. Usually after 5 minutes I tend to feel released & continue reading (what that fly on the wall must say about me!) I will paste an acceptance quote on her after (don’t want to lose this that I’ve wrote).
Please know that there are no overnight cures (at least I’m yet to find them) & that this is all a working progress (it’s been 8 months for me) & that you get out of it what you put in. So if this is a real problem for you, which sounds like it is, perseverance is key.. just keep going. Those patterns through meditation & work will subside & you’ll come out the other side more awakened. I hope I’ve covered your question, let me know yours thoughts?The books that have helped me are:
Barbara de angelis – how did I get here?
Brené brown – the gifts of imperfection
Harriet Lerner – the dance of anger
Kristin Neff – self compassionWell done on where you’re at, you’re doing an amazing job!
PoppyxoParticipantHi pollypeeps17,
What am I hearing is “stay out as it costs £30 for a taxi” – was the plan for him to get a train to you a definite and in place? Or was it a suggestion, with no agreement to it?How come you cancel your plans? You should have time with your friends as well. You should have two lives technically, one with your husband, one with your friends. I guess in a way you probably resent doing that, but you do it to please him and in a way, maybe expect the same back from him?
You can’t worry about the future – him fighting. You’re not sure it would happen, and if it does, he needs to deal with the consequences, you can’t do the ‘feeling’ for him, he needs to feel the consequences etc of his actions, don’t take that on, that’s his not yours. I’m not saying you’re a bad person for doing that, I get that you care, but that’s not your stuff – those mountains you’re carrying you were only meant to climb 🙂You said “At the start of Jan he promised we would talk more and he wouldn’t use the silent treatment because it upsets me so much and we would spend more time together.” from what you have said, he hasn’t spoken more and has used the silent treatment on you – so you need to start showing that respect that you have for yourself and telling me he isn’t doing what he promised. How many times has he done this? Because the more he does this and ‘gets away with it’ the longer it will continue.
PoppyxoParticipantHi Niyata,
Yes, he has issues with himself. Anger comes from unexpressed emotions. Critical people have the most criticism reserved for themselves, they don’t like themselves they’re expressing outwards their own dissatisfaction, and when they do this they show themselves and you, that they are there own worst critic.Another technique you can use is, when someone says something negative or horrible is to say:
1 – Thank you for sharing that – this will devalue what they’ve said – after all, it’s only their opinion, it’s not fact.
Sometimes that may work, if not step 2…
2 – Sorry, could you repeat that slowly, I didn’t quite hear that – this will give them some thinking time, and 9/10 they will retract what they said.
Sometimes that may work, if not step 3…
3 – Sorry, are you trying to hurt my feelings? – This will illiterate that they may not actually be trying to hurt your feelings, so they may say “no of course not, what I meant was….” (you just understand it differently). Alternatively, if they say Yes, Yes I was trying to hurt your feelings you can go to step 4…
4 – well that’s not going to work because I’m not going to let that in.and it’s all about letting it in, if you don’t let it inside of you, it can’t hurt.
Those steps came from Marissa Peer – check out her videos on YouTube!
Poppy
PoppyxoParticipantHi pollypeeps17,
It seems to me like this situation has been completely thrown out of proportion and I’m sorry to hear this.
I agree he should’ve contacted you whilst he was out, the non response isn’t very nice – however, what was the length of non-response?
You say your marriage has nothing to do with his cousin.. but is it ok for you to involve his Mum by texting her asking if he was home? I sense some insecurity here, would that be right?
I think he felt smoothered by the fact that he had text you back saying he wanted a cuddle too and would get a taxi soon, but we all know when we’re having a laugh and a drink an hour feels like 10 minutes. A song he may have liked may have come on, he may have met up with an old friend or was just having a good time and didn’t realise the time.. at 10:45 you text and said you wanted a cuddle, I presume he text back around 11pm, no sign at 12pm.. that’s only an hour, which isn’t a long time really when you think about it especially if the taxi trip would’ve been 20ish minutes.
I’m trying not to go to deep into the facts of what has happened but it seems like some insecurity going on – why does it matter that he didn’t come home in a certain time frame? If he never came home at all I think that would be the concern. What if you were out and you said to him I’ll be home soon (no specifics) then your girl friends brought more drinks, your favorite song came on and you got chatting? Would he ask where you are?Silent treatment from him isn’t good for anyone, particularly with the history you have. I’m sorry to hear that. I’m not sure you’re fully healed from a lot of things, self love, self appreciation and your own approval is very important.
Are you seeking help in a form of a counsellor?
I think sitting down with him, and only him, and explaining how you interpreted or felt from the situation would help.
Try to use I messages… “I felt worried because I thought ‘soon’ meant within the next hour, then when I couldn’t get hold of you I felt upset” Don’t say “I felt sad that YOU didn’t call me, therefore YOUR selfish” all he will hear is what he HAS or HASN’T done wrong and not how YOU feel.Can I ask, why were you so worried when he didn’t come home when he said? Honestly…
Poppy
PoppyxoParticipantHi dreaming715,
I haven’t read others comments as I don’t want them to impact my response to you – so I apologise if I repeat anything already said.
I’ve felt in this position on occasion, but realise it’s all about me and how I feel about myself.
Do you fully love yourself? Do you fully accept yourself? Do you see yourself as a good person? Can you live without someone? (at the moment I’m not sure you can) what makes you need/want someone now? Have you done everything you want to do, alone?
I’m not wanting a relationship at the moment, so I may be in a different head space than you – however, I have been continuously working on my self because I’ve noticed I answered ‘no’ to most of the above questions and until I can answer yes to most of those questions I cannot find true, pure love.
You cannot compare yourself to people around you.
Friend number 1 has this, friend number 2 has this etc etc… you just shouldn’t compare yourself to others, everyone has and wants different things in different stages of their life. How do you also know that behind closer doors Friend 1 isn’t unhappy in her relationship, Friend 2 didn’t want kids at this age etc – because these are generally things people may not share.
There is no age or limit as and when to complete something by, and you certainly don’t need a relationship to feel whole, regardless of what other people say. I’m not sure I want children, does that make me any less of a woman?If I have missed the point somewhere, it all seems down to self love, self appreciation, self confidence and self worth. When you are what I like to call ‘full/whole’ it will come and it will be wonderful – believe in this. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and playing the victim with an attitude that you’re never going to find it. Do you think people that have achieved great accomplishments just so happened to land these things in their lap? No, they worked for them and failed in the process, before succeeding. ( https://www.wanderlustworker.com/12-famous-people-who-failed-before-succeeding/ – (I haven’t referred to ‘famous’ people for any reason – just putting showing achievemensts some can make but becoming famous isn’t something you need to be to obtain true happiness etc)
Once you take this area of your life away and focus on other things, yourself, your career, what YOU want to do, where YOU want to go, you will meet someone unexpectedly, but you will be whole and full in yourself because you’ve spent the time on yourself to become your best self and you won’t accept any bad or negative behaviours from people.
I have been in 3 different relationships for the past 10 years with the same type of man, it’s taken me 10 years to realise this, so please know I’m not just spilling you some crap. I am not in a relationship at the moment, nor do I want to be, but I know that when I want it and when I am whole it will come to me when I’m not expecting it. Try not to put to much on your shoulders. I haven’t read it yet, but I’ve just brought a book called Self Compassion by Kristin Neff – check it out!
While you struggle day-in and day-out towards the fulfillment of your hopes and your dreams, know this: “If there is no struggle there is no progress.”
PoppyxoParticipantthe last bit didn’t read right…
Your friend invited you out and you declined on the fact that you couldn’t go where you wanted, so rather than discuss other options etc with her you decline and resent her and the situation and you feel like you don’t have good friendships from it – but actually it’s not about saying “you don’t treat me as a good friend” actually.. I don’t treat myself as I would like to be treated, so I don’t assert what I want, I just hear what you(the other person) wants, then go in on myself and never discuss it with the other person and then I go back onto the resentment circle – just as an example.
Let me hear what you think of this look on it?
PoppyPoppyxoParticipantI have a slight different angle on this, so here it is..
Friend J – I’m not sure of your age but yes generally if you would like to do something for your birthday I would take it that you plan/arrange or put something past someone – depending on how good friends you are – and how old you are – some people, as they get older, don’t like to celebrate their birthdays, for various reasons. I do think it would’ve been a nice gesture for her to have paid for your tea and cake though – however, she may be struggling money wise and didn’t want to say – so came to be a kind friend, but could only afford to pay for herself? In regards to the social media, I’m not sure I agree with that, however, did she take any photos of you, or both of you? Or your joint tea and cake? I must admit, I would’ve thought she would’ve include your name at least to say “Birthday Tea & Cake with Bakedbean” – however, what is her social posting like? Does she normally include people, does she normally post?
I’m just wondering if you’ve taken a negative look on this?Friend L – she came two hours away to see her daughter, she invited you to join her – she didn’t have too? Maybe she hadn’t seen her daughter in a while either and if it was planned last minute then understandable why nothing else was put in place. If it was planned in advance maybe you could’ve taken the opportunity to put forward a plan of what YOU wanted to do. Her daughter then text (which yes your friend should have text, not her daughter) to treat you for your birthday – maybe they felt bad that you declined, realising that actually it was your birthday. You said “what she meant was pay for cake at a place they had chosen to suit themselves” did they actually say they would take you for cake at ‘so and so place’? At which point you could’ve said – lovely and gone .. they are paying for you to have cake and tea after all?! Unless you have had a bad experience and this particular place, then why would you not want to go? Or at this point assert yourself and say “oh what a lovely idea, but would you mind if we went to …….. instead? It’s just I (either don’t like that place/ can’t eat anything there/ have an allergy – insert as appropriate)
Friend D – she was ill over your birthday. Ok, I guess it depends over what period because you could say she could have handed it to you first, before your birthday, but if she was planning on being in work (not ill) on your birthday, then she wouldn’t give it to you beforehand anyway? You got a present out of it at the end of it, so, actually, is she ok? Was it just a cold, she could be ill from something serious?
In my opinion, it seems to me that your expectations from your friends may be a little high. You need to remember as human beings we all work in different ways and you wanting to be taken to a certain place, on a certain day and paid for, may not be someone else’s idea of a nice birthday – they might just like a card and no fuss. So, if you want something, ask for it – or plan a get together and invite them all. It seems that you look at the negative on things instead of the positive and that you need to assert yourself more.
Your friend invited you out and declined on the fact you couldn’t go where you wanted, so rather than discuss other options etc with her you decline, say no, resent her and what’s just happened and feel like you don’t have good friendships – just as an example.Let me hear what you think of this look on it?
Poppy- This reply was modified 7 years, 9 months ago by Poppyxo.
PoppyxoParticipantOk, that’s cool. I will do that.
What a sad way to be eh!!PoppyxoParticipantThank you Natalie, your kind words mean a lot as sometimes I’m unsure if I’m moving forward as this process isn’t a checklist tick box you can follow. I have enrolled into a Mindfulness & Life Coaching Diploma, which I’m looking forward too. Thanks again
Thanks Anita – this gives me less than I already have to think about & I think your right, she is a ‘dead end’ as such & I will continue to ‘ignore’ her negativity.
I had a situation in which I become immensely aware last night by which I was cooking spaghetti last night at 830pm for my lunch today & she came out & said “you can’t possibly be cooking at this time of night??” I very lightly & quietly laughed, she went into another room. Then when I had finished she called me by the name of a famous cook (?? Can’t remember who) so I said “who’s that?” She said “a good cook”, I said “oh not sure on the good though”.. she laughed & we went into separate rooms. So I think my non-involvement into her earlier enquiry, made her maybe rethink her thoughts to humour after?PoppyxoParticipantHi Wohochi,
4 years has past since you last knew each other – how do you know you are compatible at this time in life? You’ve had a few conversations with her, but she may have changed and so may have you, are you compatible?
Also, do you like the fact that she has a boyfriend and is talking or thinking about you in any way? What if you get together and another man comes along who she takes a liking too (I know the circumstance is different because you were together once)?
Just my opinion, but something to think aboutPoppyxoParticipantTo add to this – I have just read an article on here and here is a bit from it
“Do you think it’s any surprise the family you were born into? Think about it. Considering the amount of time we spend with our families growing up, it comes as no surprise that certain family members seriously push our buttons.
Why do they push our buttons? To help us discover what we’re meant to work through in this lifetime. Simply put, to help us grow. They are our teachers to help us wake up to parts of ourselves that need attention, understanding, and in some cases healing.
When rubbed the wrong way, the idea is to be able to take a closer look at ourselves and grow. What are these button pushers trying to teach us? Why do we react the way we do? What pain point are they touching? Are we willing to admit this and address it? Are we willing to not take it all so personally?”
As previously discussed about my Mum, I realise I can snap at her, I know I do this because if someone else said it to me I would respond ‘normally’. How can I better understand that I think (and sometimes with her tone she is) speaking negatively towards me, which triggers this response in me? Being aware of it I guess is the first step, but what is this trying to teach me, do you think?
PoppyxoParticipantHi Anita,
That seems like a good idea – however, I struggle too assert myself in a ‘good tone’. I’m usually too abrupt, so I go the opposite way.. then I end up saying sorry and doing whatever is required anyway.
Any tips on that area?
I think I should start paying you for your help 🙂PoppyxoParticipantThanks Anita.
And thanks VJ – I have actually read the power of now.. may go over it again as when I read it I was in a different place of healing.
As my healing journey goes on I do feel like questions I would’ve asked months ago are now answered, so that makes total sense. If anyone came to me worrying about the future, in so many words, I’d tell them to stop being so silly as you can create the future but you can’t predict it. I think it all comes back to self love & learning to trust myself that I will make the best decisions for me & if I don’t I accept them & learn from them. I do feel going forward I will be more aware, I just need to heal the people pleaser/fixer in me so I put myself first instead of others.Thanks again
PoppyxoParticipantHi again Anita 🙂
So basically, I’m halfway there by knowing I’m worrying, I just need to stop/lessen the worrying. I will up my meditation 🙂
PoppyxoParticipantI’m not obsessively or unhealthily reading books dong courses etc, I am doing it in a healthy way as I always find something new and it is something I enjoy hence why my career is taking me in that direction, but I think what you said about “I’m already powerful and complete, and this is just an occasional flux.” is something I need to remember – would just hate to waste another 10 years in relationships that get me nowhere – however I wouldn’t change those relationships or those experiences, but I guess I am being silly worrying about the future.
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