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March 30, 2024 at 12:37 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430351ParadoxMusicParticipant
Dear Tee,
I don’t follow my father’s wisdom. It was just used to guide me to make my own wisdom, that I chose after differentiating the right and wrong in his wisdom. I am in touch with my emotions, I just don’t let it affect my work.
You are right that my father only passed on the set of moral codes and rules for life. But I used my experiences to create the wisdom of the heart. I don’t believe that emotions should be ignored. I just choose to still ignore it cause I still have things I need to get completed. I cannot let my depression affect them.
I already know that what my father is like. And he is exactly what you described him to be. That is why I no longer engage with him unnecessarily. I just mind my own business. My father is a pro in speaking the truth in such a logical way that he is able to prove everyone wrong. It is not mere convincing, he is able to use evidence and logic in such a clear form that you cannot argue with logic. In my case he may be convinced that his stance is right, but in cases regarding other people, he is not merely convincing, he is actually PROVING that his stance is right. If it was mere persuasion, people would still be able to argue with him. But he shuts everyone up with pure logic. It’s like he can PROVE that 2+2=4 instead of 5 and nobody will go against it cause they know he is right. In the case of me choosing medicine, that was a situation of convincing, but though I knew he was wrong, I just decided to go along with his decision to avoid making things complicated and to avoid a fight. Besides, what am I going to do once I quit med? Think my parents will support me pursuing another career? They pay for my college tuition and rent etc. So how do I even oppose them? I accepted my parents wishes cause it would be a drag to go against them. Then everyday they will call me reminding me that quitting med is a bad idea and etc. I was not convinced by my parents’ ideals. I just chose med to just avoid dealing with them. My preferences are music and computers, but I do not have the time nor funds to pursue them. I had to even get pirated versions of music softwares to make my music, which I had to stop when Med started. So what do I do now?
Paradoxy
March 28, 2024 at 3:38 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430298ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
Even if I am still suffering, that still doesn’t change that their behavior only affected me in the past. I am in college now, in a whole different country far from their influence.
I don’t know how to explain this but the mediocre education that my father received is not even college level. All my father knew was basic knowledge on electricity which he built upon through experience and reading books. My mother was able to go to a nursing school but even that school is nothing compared to the nursing schools of today. I just used community college as the closest thing I could think of that I thought you would be familiar with. The lifestyle that you are familiar with is not the lifestyle my parents grew up in. They are not familiar with teenager issues and suicidal people like we are now. They are just too stubborn and narrow minded to see these issues.
Yes my father had suffered some trauma. But that trauma has made him compassionate enough to WANT to understand, but he is INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING. That is because he still follows the rules and beliefs that he grew up in. That is why he asks me to open up but his inability to understand forces me to never open up to him because all he points out is how my feelings are wrong instead of understanding why I am feeling the way I feel. He suffered a lot of trauma in his youth but he did not become suicidal. He cannot empathize with suicidal people. He literally cannot understand it. You are right about everything else you said, about his beliefs and etc. And yes a part of that logic is imprinted in me too. It’s something that a lot of men agree with. I cannot waste time sulking about my depression and etc. I believe that it is essential to be in touch with your emotions AND know where your priorities lie. It is okay to grieve, but do not let the grieving prevent you from taking care of your responsibilities and dealing with your priorities.
I have already acknowledged that there is a wounded part in me. But what do you expect me to do about his emotional needs and stuff? How am I supposed to change his loneliness when no one even wants to give me a chance at having their friendship? How am I supposed to do the things that this “inner child” wants when I have other priorities that requires more attention? I have been having exams for the last few weeks and I have been focusing on them. I tried my best not to let the break up affect my studying. The way you tell me to heal makes it sound so simple.
Paradoxy
March 28, 2024 at 4:51 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430272ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
You are right that my parents did not need to crush the person who is having the suicidal feelings. But they did what they did and I consider that the past, something that I have moved on from a long time ago. My father is not highly educated. Both of my parents only had a community college level basic education. Both of them got where they are now through sheer will power and determination. And education has nothing to do with the ability to empathize with people. He has suffered far worse than me yet he was never suicidal. He cannot empathize with me on this matter and he will see suicidal people as idiots. I am not making excuses, I understand why they did what they did. But that does not mean I will support what they did nor am I going to forget what they did. I just don’t anyone to have the misunderstanding that my parents are horrible people. They are just stubborn and ignorant. Thats it.
You keep mentioning that I heal from this. How do you expect me to heal? I am fully aware of my thoughts. I am fully aware of my feelings and the path that I am being driven into. So all I have to do is just change my mindset. But a part of me does not want to change that mindset. But I know it is wrong. It’s like the pain gives me some form of satisfaction. I find peace in this loneliness I feel. How are these negative thoughts going to affect me if I have perfect control over them?
Paradoxy
March 28, 2024 at 12:32 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430266ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
“The problem is that we cannot selectively switch off just the unpleasant emotions while keeping the pleasant ones” That’s the weird part. I am able to freely smile and “enjoy” a lot of things without facing any issues. I can even smile and laugh even right now. So is it actually affecting me?
“This is a negative bias towards women: that women do stupid things, and that it’s normal for them.” I think you misunderstood. I am not saying that women do stupid things, I am saying that women do things that men (I) view as stupid, such as spending hundreds of dollars on makeup and outfits, or when they are dramatic about lots of issues or when some women see their man interacting with another woman for 5 seconds, they are able to be upset for the entire day for literally no reason when all the man probably did is show the woman some directions or something. That is not an attitude I picked up from my father, that is something that I have seen from real life situations. And I only saw B through that lens cause of the absolute foolishness she kept doing. This woman broke up with me just cause I left my phone online on Instagram while I was sleeping. That is the foolishness I had to deal with. And what makes it even more stupid is that she had access to my Instagram account so if I were doing any suspicious activity, she would have known. This opinion of mine may seem like bias to you but it’s really not. I have seen multiple men complain about these same foolishness before I realized this is actually normal. It is normal for women to be overthinking about even the smallest things. They have proven it through their actions. I am not saying all women are like this, but the women that I have seen, the women that I’ve heard other men complain about, have all been like this. Tee, the women today even post sexy photos of themselves in revealing outfits and claim they are doing it for themself. IF THEY ARE DOING IT FOR THEMSELF<, WHY NOT JUST KEEP IT IN THEIR GALLERY???? This is not something that only B did, but other women have done it too. I have heard enough first hand experiences from men to know this kind of foolishness is normal to an extent but that doesn’t mean I will tolerate it more than I should.
“I don’t know of this new “normal”, where women leave their man if he shows tears.” This is quite normal in this world. Even women using divorce to steal half of a man’s wealth has become normalized in the current society. That is why most men live in fear of dating women. I can give you lots of real life stories that I witnessed with women behaving in similar manners. One such experience was when my father brought in a foreigner to work at his company and he found a woman here to marry. They got married and hit it off for a while but then one day, following an altercation, that woman called the immigration officers on him while he was at work. He was then arrested and taken to the detention center, where he cried to his wife and my dad pleading for help to get out of there, but the wife did nothing to help him get out. So my father got him out by sending him to Cuba and fixing his paperwork so that he can return to work at his company again. And they got divorced as soon as he landed here.
Another similar example was my dad’s other friend, who had a girlfriend and a teenage daughter. They were a lovely couple and I always visited them with my dad. One day, the woman got offered a job in the US and she wanted to move there to work but the man couldn’t move because his entire family was here and his job was here too and it would be difficult for him to get another job in the US. However, because she wanted to move to the States so badly, the man did extra work to make the money necessary to send his gf and their daughter to the US while he stayed behind to make more money so he can later join them. But a few weeks later, I found out that the woman got the job in the US (Florida to be precise), broke up with him, and married some doctor in the States, leaving him behind, broken. I can give you more real life examples that I actually witnessed regarding women like these. Therefore, I cannot really blame my parents for having their bad opinion about women when the women they have known are women like these. I don’t know where you live but the men there must be extremely lucky to not have these issues, cause these women are normal here.
“So I guess they’ve brought you up with this outdated stereotype about how a true man and a true woman should be.” If my parents brought me up in the actual outdated stereotype that you assumed them to have done, they would have taught me that men should go out and do all the work while women must stay home as housewives bearing children and etc. That is not what my parents taught me. My parents taught me that women should be treated with respect and love and that women should be allowed to study and pursue their dreams and marry the man they desire and they should be loyal to their man, and the same goes for men too and etc. My parents taught me that when a man and woman become one, they should share their burdens, not force them on one person. The wife should be the husband’s best friend and the husband should be the wife’s best friend and they should work together to make decisions and always be responsible for each other and for their family. They taught me that the man should be the head of the household but he should never shut down his wife and always let her share her opinion regarding things and let her assist in decision making. That is what my parents taught me, and I do not believe there is anything wrong with the things they taught me.
The only reason my parents shut down my feelings is because they cannot comprehend my feelings. They cannot comprehend the pain that a suicidal person is going through. They just use logic instead of emotions to deal with such issues, and they cannot relate to me in any manner or form. So their inability to understand me forced me to shut down my feelings because I would be wasting my energy trying to make them understand. The fact that men cannot show their emotions is something that society taught me, not what my parents taught me. My parents wanted me to express myself but their inability to understand forced me to shut down my feelings instead of telling them. They literally cannot comprehend it. That is why they only saw the humiliation when the church found out that I was suicidal.
Look at all these feminists and other women out there creating an environment where the man has to just endure and never complain until they are completely fed up. Not every women is as mature as you are. Especially nowadays, look at all these young women just going to clubs and drinking and sleeping with multiple men and men sleeping with multiple women and etc. That is the state of current society right now. Do you think these women will appreciate a man who is in “touch with his emotions”? Immature people like these women won’t understand complex emotions. These immature women will only treat the men with emotions as weak men. Their only focus is themself. I am not saying that all women are like this. I am saying that women like this do exist, as shown by the real life examples I told you earlier.
How do you differentiate between a good and bad partner anyway in this day and age? My uncle and aunt got married in December 2012 and when we met my aunt, she was the most amazing woman that any one of us had ever met. I was like 7 back then and even I was impressed by her, and you know that if an innocent child is able to say you are amazing, that means YOU ARE AMAZING. My aunt was so caring, so loving, so kind and understanding, always taking care of each of us family members, always helping out in the kitchen and taking responsibility and etc. Even my father told the other women in the house that they should learn from her (as a joke). She was a well respected teacher at a high school and was always looked up to by the kids there. But only recently did we find out her true nature. She had rejected Christianity and she disrespected my grandfather who is a priest. She had been emotionally cheating with another man (A TAXI DRIVER!!!!!) while my confused uncle was at home wondering why she was behaving so hostile to him. Everyone knows my uncle as the deacon and the well respected teacher. Everyone knows that my uncle is kind, gentle and innocent (to the point that they take advantage of him to borrow money which they never return). EVERYONE KNOWS THAT HE IS NOT EVEN THE TYPE TO ABUSE HIS WIFE. But this woman divorced him cause he was not masculine enough for her!!!!!! This is the type of woman that exists in society now. This woman is a perfect example of a woman who would leave their man for showing his emotions. Then she married the taxi driver and converted into his religion. She even tried to turn their two kids against their father, but the older one was mature enough to realize what a horrible person his mother really is but the younger one was easily manipulated by treats and other stuff his mother brought. She even forced her own brother out of her family and treats her mother like trash, and we didn’t know any of this until recently cause of how good she was at hiding it. So how do we even tell who is a good partner and who is not a good partner? They can easily hide it from us, make us believe that they are the most perfect person in the world, while hiding their true nature.
Paradoxy
March 27, 2024 at 2:28 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430232ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
Yes I said that the pain has been eating me up and destroying me and that I couldn’t sleep etc. But all that happened while I was in relationship with her. I was in pain and suffering during the last three months because that was the period when I decided to give her one more chance. But now that she used up all her chances and made me break up with her, I am slowly healing. The pain did ruin me when I was in the relationship. But now that I am no longer in the relationship, I feel more normal. I do not have a constant reminder next to me, even though I do remind myself anyway. But I am able to focus on my work without the reminder interfering with my studies. While in relationship with her, her very existence next to me or something, even just looking at her was a constant reminder to my pain. But I am no longer with her. I do not have her next to me reminding me of what happened. Reminding me of the things she did. Therefore I am in the process of healing, and working on clearing my doubts on whether I should take her back or not. But all the evidence indicate that I am more at peace without her in my life, but that does not mean my caring side will stop caring about her. My brain has accepted that I am safer away from her even if my heart aches for her. And due to that level of self control, I am able to lead a much more normal life, with less pain and suffering. It’s just everything is dull now. But other than that, everything is normal.
And yes I have the occasional thoughts of wanting to go back in time to erase myself, but the way I am now, even I am surprised with how well I am coping. Makes me wonder if I even loved at her at all, or if I just detached myself from those feelings completely. My thoughts contain pain but my actual emotions are normal. It’s like I literally feel nothing. No pain. No joy. No sorrow. No anger. Its like I am numb to all of it. Do you understand what I mean? It’s like the only time you feel something is when you actively think about the issue, whereas while I was in the relationship, I was constantly in pain, not being able to stop thinking those thoughts at all. But now I am numb, only being reminded of the pain instead of actively feeling the pain.
“This sounds like something your father would say.” That is the funny part. My father never said that, I actually heard other men say it, but my father said it through his actions. Besides you should know it is a common stereotype that society built of us men. Men are these strong unwavering figures that never cry and women are these weak emotional creatures etc. (I am exaggerating a bit but you get the point). That is the type of view that society has normalized, to the point that women just choose to leave their man the moment they see them cry, cause they see them as weak and etc. Men should be allowed to feel pain, but it has been normalized that men shouldn’t feel pain. Men have to hide their tears, show a strong face whenever something bad happens. And unfortunately, I am a victim to that too. Besides, I do not plan to let anyone see me in my vulnerable state of misery that I am in right now. It is just better this way.
“And the thing is that we cannot be really wise if we lack emotional intelligence.” That is very true, but sometimes, for certain decisions to be made, you need to cut out your emotions. I would not have been able to detach from B if I didn’t shut out my emotions. I would still be crawling back to her right now willing to give her another chance. Emotions such as fear and love and anger can end up causing you to make the wrong decisions, B being the prime example. Despite knowing that what she was doing was wrong, her fear and love for her aunt made her go along with her plan. Look at where it got her. So sometimes you have to put aside your emotions to make the right choices.
Paradoxy
March 27, 2024 at 8:22 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430217ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Anita,
My parents may have taken the short cut to make me an adult, but it has shaped me to be who I am now and I am quite satisfied with it to an extent. And other adults have shown approval in my maturity, even their own children who are much older than me behave worse than me. And I also advise other students at this college to make better decisions regarding women and etc. But I don’t know if it was worth it to become who I am now and I do not know if I have the right to be advising other people considering the situation I got myself in.
It is too late to be Godwin-the-child, I have a med degree to finish and I am too old to be behaving like a child. I should be focusing on my future career and etc. Med is already a pain on my behind so I do not have the time nor energy to share to Godwin-the-child. I do have a lot to grow Anita and I will. Eventually I will get past this.
Paradoxy.
March 27, 2024 at 8:07 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430213ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
Maybe you are right, even if it doesn’t feel that way. My parents have done good and bad things. They have built me into having the good and the bad. But I am happy with the good they have taught me, and I think the good outweighs the bad. And the bad is good too, cause it lets me empathize with those who have went through similar experiences.
I am not sure if seeking excuses for my parents and girlfriend could be considered child-like behavior. It would be more like naive but I have been one to not get a chance to prove myself, to show that I am not the creep, the crazy kid that other people see me as. So with that kind of experience, is it fair to put someone else in that position too? Some people just need one more chance to correct their mistake. I know the world is a cruel place, but I want to believe in the good in people. I want to believe that the mistakes that one person makes does not define who they are. That is why I continue to search for a good excuse. Just like how God tried to find at least one good person in Sodom and Gomorrah at Abraham’s request before deciding to destroy the cities full of sinners. How can B show that she has changed if I do not give her a chance? Some people do not understand their mistakes until they actually experience it. Should I not take into consideration the good in people? Even in the case of my parents. When a parent tells their daughter not to wear short skirts and etc, or tells their child to be home before 7 pm, it is not because the parent does not care about the child. It is because the parent wants to ensure the child’s safety that the parent makes these rules. However the parent may go to extreme measures to ensure the safety of the child, and that may include tying the child down in a chair or something. Isn’t that wrong? Technically it is wrong, but if the child is very rebellious or something and refuses to listen to the parent when they say that it is dangerous outside right now, wouldn’t the child have to suffer the consequences? And if the child ends up getting killed for going against the parent, it is not just a loss for the child but also for the parent. In my case, my parents had all these beliefs in their heads that were passed down from their parents. And so they forced those same beliefs on me, thinking they were molding me to become a real “man”. A parent cannot get everything right about how they treat their child, but my parents have explained the reasons behind their actions, their beliefs, so even if they did all kinds of wrong things, I know that their intentions were true. I forgive them but I do not forget them.
You said that I am in my child self, I am neglecting my own pain, just like my parents neglected my pain. But technically isn’t that most men do? Men have been viewed by society to be strong and etc, and if they are seen crying or anything, they will be perceived as weak. I think I am just one of those victims. Doesn’t most people ignore most men’s pain? We do not have time to feel pain. We have responsibilities and other issues to worry about. I think my parents were neglecting my pain to let me grow into someone that is not affected by pain like this. As a result, though I feel pain in leaving B, I am able to live a much more normal life than I would have been. Occasionally I feel sad about what has happened, but I am able to focus on my priorities more easily. I found out about what happened with B last Christmas, while I was with my parents. I broke down in my room when I learnt about what happened, but as soon as my parents needed me, I was able to wipe my tears away and change my mental state to deal with whatever issue my parents were having. So am I actually neglecting my pain or am I choosing to push it to the back of my mind cause I have other priorities like studying for my med exam and other things that should not be affected by my pain?
Paradoxy
March 26, 2024 at 12:17 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430172ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
Thank you for kind words, I appreciate it. I am not sure if I can actually have a fraction of empathy for myself cause the guilt of hurting others always overwhelms me. In some cases it may have been accidental yet I became the reasons that others had to go through a bad experience. That guilt overwhelms me. My ex-crush probably still sees me as that creepy guy that made a humiliating website for her, and the other church members probably sees me as the suicidal kid. That was not the label I wanted to be known for, and I don’t think I can change it. But I was never offered a chance to show my real personality to anyone, so they all pushed me away. The one person who didn’t push me away was B, but here I am. Makes me wonder if I should give her another chance since she gave me a chance too. But I already gave her multiple chances I guess.
“What you call the starting point (your parent’s influence) is like the foundations of a house” I made a mistake, I used the wrong term to define their influence. Their influence is actually minor. The starting point was actually a girl who lived in the same street as me who constantly bullied me. Whenever I tried to make friends with the kids in the community, she would turn them all against me, insulting me, calling me names, making me a laughing stock in front of them. This constant isolation made me constantly on my own. Not having friends and not knowing what it means to be cared for became the starting point for my miserable life.
By the time my parents’ influence on my misery became strong was closer to age 13-16, which are basically teenage years and therefore I associate my parents’ actions as their method to deal with normal teenage rebellion. However, that does not change the fact that they never thought of encouraging the things that I liked, whether it be music or coding or etc. They never let me have a childhood, always forcing me to “act like an adult” and etc. But honestly, I am not interested in stupid adult politics and etc. They make me sit with the adults but I am literally just sitting near them being awkwardly quiet while my parents do the talking. It makes me look more like a fool in front of them cause there is literally nothing I can contribute to a conversation that I am neither knows anything about nor interested in. The constant pressure of needing high scores and everything in order to get into a college to pursue a degree in something I hated drove me to where I am as well. So I do not think my parents are the foundation of my misery, but they do play a role in it.
You are right about everything else you said. But have you ever wondered, if others would even realize that you are not in the room anymore? Like you are basically invisible to them. They do not realize you exist until something relevant occurs. Have you never wondered, what difference would it make, whether u exist or not? Is ur existence actually causing trouble for others or would they appreciate never having met you?
It was my mother who said my behavior was humiliating for them. My father tried to understand but he is the type of person that constantly tells me that suicidal people are idiots and etc. And regarding the school friend, it’s okay to be worried but sometimes it’s better to do nothing than doing something especially considering how delicate suicidal people are. I told her that I am fine and not to tell anyone and that is the exact thing she did. She refused to go along with my wishes and look at where it got me. In a bigger mess than what I was already enduring. All she did was give me more reason to kill myself. But I am a Christian who believes in hell and etc. I would rather spend a 100 years suffering on Earth than an eternity suffering in hell. Yes I understand that authorities should be notified but most suicidal people wants some help, but I did not ask for help cause I knew I was not going to kill myself. The least she could have done is trust me/ respect my wishes, especially after I told her that it was just a feeling and not something I would act on.
“Children can sometimes be very cruel.” Her brother was no child. This happened in Grade 10, between ages 15-17. He is the son of the deacon at our church. He is like one of those kids who actively participate in church activities. I feel like calling him a child is an understatement. He was perfectly aware of what he said, but I do factor in normal teenage foolishness, but he was still aware. We were almost adults, he obviously knew what he was doing even if its not with a mature mindset.
Each experience shaped this “house” of mine. Like I stated before, this self hate started with the girl who bullied me, and the combined impact of my parents and other experiences influenced me to believe in this core belief of mine. But the thing is, I knew that this core belief of mine was wrong, but I still continued to believe it, cause I wondered, what if I went back in time to the day I was born and just killed myself as a baby? All these experiences would never have occurred. No one would even realize that something is different about their lives. My existence means nothing to anyone. Even my father has pointed that out to me. Whether I exist or not, the world would continue on, so what is my purpose anyway? That was when I made helping people as my purpose. To be the reason that other people are happy. I adopted other people’s happiness as my own. Watching other people be happy made me happy. I couldn’t be happy myself so might as well seek happiness in knowing others are happy. Otherwise I would just be hollow, someone without something to live for. B was my something to live for. But what do I have now? I am back to my hollow self, desperately trying to glue the broken pieces of my empty shell. Even homeless people on the streets have something to live for. But I have just accepted death. If death was an actual figure like the grim reaper or something, I would gladly come and hug him like I just found my long lost friend.
I am well aware that all my thoughts are wrong, but it is just how I feel, the thoughts I have, the things I wonder. I hope you understand.
Paradoxy.
March 25, 2024 at 10:48 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #430171ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Anita,
You misunderstood what I said. I did not say that she would sleep with her manager to keep her job. I am saying that if she were the person that you think she is, she WOULD have slept with the manager. But the fact that she lost her job indicates that she did not sleep with him, and therefore I am saying she might not be as a bad as you think.
Thank you for your concern, your advice is important to me. I only radiated the negative energy to him, probably because I am not that good friends with him, especially cause he has habits that I dislike, such as sexualizing woman and “checking her out”, etc. And he is the only person who have said to me that I radiate the negative energy so I think I am doing a pretty good job hiding my pain. Maybe one day I will overcome it.
Paradoxy
March 24, 2024 at 7:12 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428989ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Anita,
I will try to get individual therapy. But I doubt I have time as it is exam period currently and med is a pain right now.
“Your months-long torment is like rottenness in your bones, is it, Paradoxy?” And yes the months long torment is like rottenness in my bones. It is deteriorating my mental health and emotional health. I have noticed that I am becoming colder, but only towards B.
“You want to teach her in her 3rd decade, post her formative years, do you?” Yes I wanted to teach her to be a good wife in her 3rd decade. I thought that I could fix her by pouring out all my love to heal the scars that she had but my love was not enough.
“So, mathematically, statistically, you wouldn’t be motivated to consider another woman.” Yeah you are right, I would not be motivated to find another woman. And I said that B is a 100000x better than most woman because I observed other people’s relationships, conversations, etc and generally, the women were all annoying, but some were dating multiple men while others were using the men for their money and etc. And in other cases, the men were the problem, as they wanted sex and the lack of being sexually satisfied triggered breaks up too. I only found few proper couples that I am actually quite jealous of to be honest. The guy living next to me started dating around the same time as me and he seems to barely have conflicts with his partner (she is a med student while he studies econ).
The key phrase that you missed is that I said that she is still the best compared to MOST of the other women that I HAVE MET. So technically it is not a fact, it is just an opinion based on my observations.
Regarding my parents, the emotional abuse was just based on the fact that I have always felt alone and abandoned. I felt like a burden to my own parents, a waste of time and money. They have never listened to me and they always forced their way on me, always claiming that the path they have laid out for me is the best option for me. They force their family tradition on me, not even letting me date who I want to date (but I guess they have a point considering what just happened). But overall, dating is out of option for me which is why I had to secretly date B.
My father raised me the way old fashioned people brought up a man. So that means I have no room for emotions and etc. He always wanted me to think like older people despite being still a child, and that made me never get any chance to enjoy my childhood (I had no friends anyway so them preventing me from enjoying my childhood barely changed anything). We were poor too so I never got to enjoy things other kids got to enjoy, but I did not mind cause I understood the value of money and that I should not waste it on things like video games and etc. But my parents still tried to let me have some fun. My father bought me a second hand PS 2 which was the first time I got to experience gaming but that only lasted for a few months cause he eventually hid it to let me focus on studying but by the time I found it again, ants had already destroyed the hard drive. But anyway, I do not see my parents as a bad people for the pain they caused me because with the bad things, they have done some good things but I always understood the reasons for the bad treatment. However, there were moments like guilt-tripping and other similar circumstances where they would manipulate me into doing what they want without complaining (my father is a pro at psychology, and he is so rigid that everyone, whether it be his own boss, his friends, or our own relatives, knows that he should not be messed with because he always speaks the truth and can put anyone in their place by using pure logic). Everything that my father taught me was logically correct, but I was wise enough to know that there are exceptions to the wisdom he passed to me. I did not let his opinion about things completely blind me, but it guided me to make even better decisions than he did, but I still have a long way to go as shown by the current situation.
My father suffered a lot in his childhood, worse than me to be honest. He was the oldest among the three children but that means he got treated the worst too. He was abandoned and belittled and treated like trash by his own family and distant relatives too, and he was traumatized by an incident when he was 5 where he was falsely accused of stealing 10 cents and was tortured for weeks with physical beating by his teacher until he had to admit to stealing to stop the pain, even though he did not steal the money (the teacher hated his father because he was a priest so that anger was redirected to him). This event was so horrible that ever since that day, whenever something goes missing, people would instantly be suspicious of him, even to the point of accusing him of teaching his brothers to be thieves as well. The trauma from that incident was so severe that I have seen him cry about it even now and he is almost 50 years old. But these harsh situations made him grow his resolve to be better than everyone who treated him poorly, to the point that he was the only person to have a highly respected and high-earning job as a marine electrical engineer in cruise ships and cargo ships, while everyone else had average engineering jobs or teacher jobs etc. He is also a devoted Christian, always telling me to trust God as his God never abandoned him when everyone else did and he never went against his Christian principles which I respect and follow too but I do not like it when he muddles up family tradition with Christian principles.
Please do not view my parents as horrible parents, as I am their first child anyway so their poor parenting is understandable. My father was harsh in hammering in foundations in mathematics and other disciplines, but now I realize that hammering in that discipline has considerably helped me academically as well as making me wiser than others my age. I think they tried to correct their ways for my younger sister, but that caused her to become a spoilt brat who always fights them and have her tantrums to get her way (She is 10 now by the way). The main difference between my sister and I is that she received too much freedom and I received too less freedom. My parents still think I do not know what freedom means. They think I view freedom as the ability to do anything, right or wrong, but in reality, I view freedom as the ability to not be limited by other people’s judgements and opinions etc, while also being aware of the line between right and wrong. And that freedom, I will never get, as even now I am controlled by my parents’ desires, and when I try to go against them, they install me with the fear of “what if I am wrong”. The career path to become a doctor gurantees that I will be successful in life especially since I can handle the work load to a degree, but will I be happy doing this? Probably not. Though I like helping people, I don’t think med is the best way for me to help people.
My parents have influenced the core belief that I am the source of pain for others, but they are not the main influencer. They have behaved in ways that made me feel like a burden to them but that is just a starting point. The real influence came from my own peers.
I made a website to confess my feelings for my first crush in grade 9, which became a publicly known thing for which I was made fun of for a while, and I felt like I humiliated my crush and that I was a burden to her. We have barely ever spoken since then.
Later I made a pressurized vessel as a bomb to kill myself (which I told u about 4 years ago), for which I also became known for after I injured my arm from the explosion to the point where my classmates made fun of me by asking me about information regarding making bombs. This suicidal behavior caught the attention of my church/school friend who I spoke to about my depression and my suicidal thoughts and I specifically told her that it was just a feeling and I do not plan to act on it anymore and she should keep it between us but she told her parents about it, who told the church about it, who called my parents regarding the issue. My parents felt humiliated by that experience and was very angry with me, making me feel more of a burden. I could not forget that betrayal from her and I cut ties with her then.
Then several months later, her brother pointed out to me what a loser I was and how nobody cared about me. And I realized he was right. I spend my recess times walking around class looking for a friend to hang out with but there was never any who wanted me. This further drived me down the depressive spiral as I felt abandoned by everyone. Not to mention the constant insults I kept getting from my peers. There was no actual bullying, just some hurtful things that I felt were true and I did not have a smart mouth to talk back to the things they said.
Later on, I had a geography project to do with 3 other people with one of them being a well known girl for being a role model student for others. The assignment was quite simple but I tried to convince my group to make the project different from everyone else, but we ran out of time, and 2 of the members had to leave for another class and the girl started crying as we had run out of time but the teacher gave us some extra time to finish the work but her friends started to berate me for causing her to cry and I felt responsible for it because it was my plan that caused the issue. I stayed behind and completed the project with the girl but the pain of being criticized by everyone there was too much for me and I had to get out of the class before anyone saw my tears cause I knew it would just be more humiliation for me and no one cared anyway but unfortunately, one guy and some family friend students saw me crying and asked what happened but I kept everything to myself, crying in silence for being a burden to others.
In grade 10 I started talking to a girl who I started developing feelings for as she showed me compassion and friendship when no one else did. I came by so often and my drastic change in mood and behavior was so noticeable that her friends knew that I had a crush on her. Eventually I confessed my feelings for her, which she rejected but a few days later she said she had feelings for me too but then next day she changed her mind cause she knew her parents would disapprove. So I felt sick cause I felt like I humiliated her in front of her friends cause that’s how obvious it was that she was my crush. But then she told me that she told her parents about me crushing on her. That added to my depression cause her parents were friends with my parents and they just stopped coming to our house from then on (the mother comes by nowadays though but they stopped back then) and it made me feel humiliated in front of her parents for feeling the way I felt, combined with the fear that my parents would find out that I had feelings for her.
Weeks after that, I started searching for online friends and I met with a Muslim girl who I talked to for a bit and we sort of connected and we instantly fell in love with each other. We talked for several weeks before my parents found out and made me break up with her. I grieved for a while cause of the pain but in that time, she moved on to another guy and I took pretended to be someone else to ensure she was happy, which she was. The new guy treated her way better than I could and it made me realize how worthless I am. How worthless my love was. And I had caused her unintentional pain by breaking up with her cause of my parents.
Then later, I fell in love with another online girl but this one was a rebound, where I felt feelings for her as a coping mechanism to the breakup but that relationship became a toxic one as I was the one constantly pouring out my love while she just took the love and never returned any. She even broke up with me one day, went on a date with another guy, then got back with me the next day. Sounds similar to you? Lol. I eventually realized the toxicity in that relationship and I left her as I felt like trash being with her and I felt unlovable and that my love was worthless to her.
Then I met another Muslim girl who I talked to daily and eventually fell in love with. But my parents caught me again but I lied that I was not in love with her. But a few days later she ghosted me. So now I was back to square one again. Abandoned and forgotten.
I got in touch with my first online gf again and found out she broke up with the guy and she was no longer in touch with her other friends. So we talked for a while and eventually reconciled. But then she broke up with me, despite how much love I poured out to her, and she said that she just did not want to date anyone right now. Then later I look at her status to find her dating another man, who treated her poorly anyway and then she ghosted me too. Leaving me there, alone.
Few months later, closer to my birthday, I used my computer skills to track down the other online gf who ghosted me. I found her and she told me that her parents forced her to cut ties with me, which I understood. I asked her if she wanted us to continue our relationship and she agreed. But that did not even last a week. She ghosted me again. So now I was right back to where I was. Abandoned, alone and forgotten.
I am grateful that those online relationships did not last cause I doubt I would have been able to maintain it, and it did teach me things about relationships to an extent. But the pain it caused me drove me believe that maybe I am not cut out for anyone. And the other experiences prior to that added to the depression and the belief that I am a burden to others. And combined with my Dark Energy influence, being the source of pain to others became the core belief of my existence. God’s failed experiment, I call myself. Ironically my real name is Godwin but in reality I am a loser.
Paradoxy
March 24, 2024 at 5:25 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428986ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
Thank you for understanding my pain. Even now she keeps asking me to take her back, but it is very difficult for me to forget what happened. When I initially found out about what happened, one of my friends told me that he could feel the negative energy radiating off me, and I ranted to him about what she did and he said that he wouldn’t mind, that he would forgive. So am I the problem? She sounds like she really regret her actions, but she has repeated the same foolishness so many times that it is hard to just forgive.
I asked her, what if one day we were walking and a female classmate came to give me a hug and I hugged her back? Obviously she wouldn’t like it. And she would tell me that she does not like it when I get too close to women. Then imagine I apologize and say I won’t do it again, then few days later, she finds me hugging another woman. Then imagine I apologize AGAIN and promise to never do it AGAIN, then a few weeks later she finds me hugging another woman AGAIN. Then imagine I plead and beg for her to take me back and she decides to give me one LAST chance, only to find me giving a friendly kiss to a woman’s cheek. How would she feel then? She would feel like I am not learning. I am not changing. That I am making false promises. That I do not respect her. She would consider breaking up with me permanently. That is how I feel. That is the conflict I am facing.
“Okay, so you asked her – not too tactfully – if she was a gold digger” Yea I was not planning to play no games with her. I am an honest man and I always speak the truth and I prefer to be straight forward. So I asked her the question. I understand how she felt in that moment. I understand that she felt offended. But at least listen to me when I correct her misunderstanding. At least give me a chance to explain myself. I just wanted to hear her say that she truly loved me. Just like how she asks me every five seconds whether I still love her, and as annoying as that question is, I still tell her how much I love her. But a break up like that is not an excuse to go sleep with another man. I understand that she was hurting but that is not a valid reason to sleep with another man, which actualy proved my parents right. She literally proved that she was the very thing that she denied being. She proved that the stereotype that my parents had about women in general was true, and made me look like a fool for trying to convince my parents that she was the exception.
“And not only that, but she invited him to live with her” You are right about everything you said except one thing. She did not invite her ex to come live as her housemate. Her ex is actually her other housemate’s brother. There are three people living in the house. It used to be 3 women, but when her bestie (who is actually a bigger cheater than B but they cut ties when B started to see her true nature) left the house, the other woman invited her brother (B’s ex) to live in the house in the vacant room, since he needed a place to stay. But she only told me it was a man. She did not specify that the man was actually her ex. And I had to find out in the most dramatic way ever, where he tried to attack me for being her bf, his jealousy. His face looked familiar to me, so I asked her if this ex was the same man she was half naked with in the picture earlier, but she denied it MULTIPLE TIMES until she finally confessed a year later while confessing the cheating. So that is two betrayals at one time that I had to deal with. B told me that the female housemate begged her to let T live in the vacant room, and that he would leave in a few months because he was going to graduate from law school soon, so she decided to let him stay. And as a very forgiving man, as stupid as I am, I decided to let it go too.
I asked her again today why she did what she did. And she told me that it was because she felt obligated to, she felt like she should obey her aunt, cause breaking up with me made her feel like only her aunt cared about her. So she just did what her aunt told her to. I understand how she felt, but that does not make it right. But every time she calls, crying and everything, I cannot bear the thought of seeing her hurt, to see her in pain. I cannot. It is painful for me. A part of me wants to believe that she has changed. But I am trying to keep a cold face, pushing aside all my emotions cause I feel that breaking up with her is the best option for me and her. Maybe she will treat her next man better.
“I am sure her aunt told her that too, and probably encouraged her to use her attributes to find a rich husband.” I feel that if this was the case, I am pretty sure B would have slept with her manager to keep her job. But she didn’t (as far as I know, and the fact that the manager caused her to get fired) so I do not think her aunt impacted her in that manner. I think the aunt just told her that she should take advantage of men, but the influence was not strong enough to actually act on what her aunt said, as she knows it is wrong. And she sure wouldn’t have chosen me, cause I don’t have a job or anything. If she was focused on getting a rich husband, she could have taken the offer made by a rich army man who wanted to marry her (long distance relationship while she was living with the aunt) but she did not take that offer, so I do not have enough evidence to actually believe she was planning to use men herself. She just seemed to be following her aunt’s orders, and that too for only one time. But one time was enough to screw up everything. Based on all of this, she does not seem to see herself as a sex object or anything. She always reads the bible and prays almost everyday. I don’t think she would go against the bible’s rules, but she knows how attractive she is. And as for the bikini post, I think she just forgot that I disliked her doing stuff like that. She is actually a private woman, who barely posts anything about herself. She literally has like one post regarding pictures she took at a modeling agency, and even in the bikini post, it was a status post that had limited viewers too. I think the thought of me disliking such behavior just went over her head cause she sometimes does not think straight. So she did not actually have a strong drive to post the picture, but she still did impulsively. But that means that if she can do something stupid once, she can do something stupid again later. But either way, we were already broken up, so idk if that technicality relieves her from the responsibility of not going against my wishes. But she should not have went against my wishes, especially if she wanted even a 1% chance of me taking her back.
I thought all she needed was to be loved properly. But I was wrong. I suppose she needs individual therapy. I will suggest that to her. Thank you for the advice.
Paradoxy.
March 23, 2024 at 4:05 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428945ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Anita,
Lol yes, I guess paradoxy is a fitting name for me at this point.
“You love her, but alas, the paradox: you also love to hate her, evident in the many upper case typing.” I do not love to hate her. The use of upper case typing is whenever I feel the rising anger in me as I am literally writing out my thoughts here. The things that I hate about her are the things that torment me. I have not slept properly in the last 3 months. I have been going through a depressed phase of just wanting the pain to end, whether it be through death or amnesia or something. But I understand your point. I never thought of the possibility that I could be projecting my hate for women in general, on B. But I still disagree with it, because if I hated women like that, I would not have even tried dating at all. All i wanted was to find a woman who can be a good friend to me, who is willing to care for me, and do everything else a wife should do, have God at the center of our life and I just wanted to serve such a deserving woman. I just wanted to find such a perfect woman, someone who despite her flaws is still the most perfect being I have ever met. I would be more than willing to serve such a woman, to give her everything she wants, to keep her on that high pedestal, to be treated like the queen that she is. It will be my honor to serve such a woman. And I believed I found that in B, and I have realized that even though she has done a lot of stupid things, she is still 100000x better than most of the other women that I have met. Its like I cannot even blame her for being stupid cause I know she is trying her best to do the right things. How do you even improve someone’s decision making skills? Like how do you teach someone to make better decisions?
Yes you are right about the things I said in 2020, but it had all changed upon meeting B. I had initially loved the pain, the ‘Dark Energy’ but meeting B completely annihilated that feeling. The feeling of being loved by someone for the first time was literally changing me for the better. Knowing that I had her in my life felt like a factory reset button. I was a thousand times happier, more energetic, no longer depressed, no longer suicidal, no longer in love with that Dark Energy. I wanted to do everything I could to make her life better. I wanted to treat her like the special woman that she is. I literally wanted to just serve her, to maintain her happiness, etc. But now that I lost her, I can feel the things of the past slowly creeping back into me, starting with self hate.
I think I agree with what I said in March 23-25, I do not wish to fall in love again. I do not wish to endure such pain again. Love is blinding, a pain in my behind. The relationship with B has ruined me for the worst. I literally do not want to be with anyone else. I do not want to even give anyone a chance, cause that is the mindset I grew up in. Love one woman and one woman only. Even if I give another woman a chance, I feel like I would constantly be subconsciously comparing her to B, and I do not think that is right nor fair for that person. I have grown to realize that everyone else is happier without me existing in their life. All I would be is a source of pain for others, which I do not wish to do. I have thought about everything in my life and I have realized that if my role in each event had been removed, the persons affected by the event would have been happier. Maybe I should blame myself for breaking up with B in January, which caused her to do what she did. Maybe the love I offered was not good enough. I don’t know. And just like I predicted, by choosing to love again, I became an idiot and a fool.
My parents are good people. Though their methods are questionable, their aim was to help me. They did not physically abuse me. But you could say that I was emotionally abused, while B was physically abused.
“In addition to their abuse, they instilled in you the core belief that women are bad, dishonest people who are not to be trusted” No they did not install in me that women are bad, dishonest people. They have taught me that women in the modernized world, can have ulterior motives for loving you so I should have my guard up and should not be vulnerable around a woman. But I am wise enough to realize that though they meant their words to apply to all modern woman, there will always be exceptions to their belief and I should become wise enough to distinguish a proper woman from gold diggers and etc. I listened to my parents but their words only guide me, not control me. So I do not believe that all women are bad, dishonest people. That is why I argued with my parents that B was different from the rest. Unfortunately, I was wrong.
I am not directing the anger for my parents on other people. Do not misunderstand, but I am wise enough to decide who deserves my anger and who does not. My parents are generally good people, they have only wanted the best for me. It is just that their methods are a bit too old fashioned. They are too narrow minded to accept change in life style. To accept a different method to handling situations. They have never listened to me. Always discouraging me from what I wanted to do. Even this med career was their fault. I never wanted this. I wanted to do music or computers. But here I am. But they are still good people. But their methods are questionable, just like Aunt 1, but they are nowhere near as morally twisted and stupid as Aunt 1, and they will never cross that moral line. I am wise enough to see the underlying meaning/purpose behind their actions and therefore, I have chosen to forgive my parents because they do not know any better and their wisdom still taught me to be a good man to the best of my ability, but I will never forget the pain, the anger, I have endured cause of them.
Yes my anger is directed at B right now. Cause she had the power to make the right decision and she still chose wrong. She had many opportunities to tell me the truth. She had opportunities to reject her aunt’s plan. But instead she went along with it. She is a 22 year old who obviously knew what was wrong and what was right. She was aware of the things I liked and the things I hated. She knew that I hated seeing her in revealing outfits in public. She knew that sleeping with another man is wrong. That is why I said that she is a full grown adult capable of making proper decisions because she knows what is right and what is wrong, yet she still intentionally chose wrong.
My anger towards my parents and the anger towards B are totally different things. Do not muddle up those two. I am not that foolish. It is part of my moral code to never redirect anger to someone else, cause I have experienced that myself. I have had my parents’ anger towards something else redirected to me, so I know how it feels so it is part of my morals to never redirect my anger for my parents towards someone else, to never let anyone suffer the way I suffered.
Paradoxy
March 23, 2024 at 3:06 pm in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428942ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
Yes she was not exposed to sexual exploitation as a child/youth. She did admit that her aunt wanted her to marry an old man to get citizenship to make it easier to pay the bill and etc but other than that there was no other manipulation that I am aware of.
“So did her aunt get married to a rich guy?” Yes, the aunt married 3 different successful men, all of whom are coincidentally dead (weird but no suspicious activity has been noticed as they all died in different ways such as old age, car accident etc).
“I wonder what were B’s responsibilities that Al didn’t want to take on himself?” The responsibilities that Al didn’t want to take on himself were things such as financial responsibilities and her education and home; to take care of her essentially.
“It also seems B was conflicted about starting a sexual relationship with Al, but he threatened to leave her, so she agreed.” Yes that is also correct. Al was her first sexual partner who introduced her to foreplay and the actual sex. (He had slept with a lot of woman too, body count probably in the 20s)
“Was she desperate to talk to her aunt because around that time, she found out that Al was cheating on her?” I think she just did not have anyone actively caring for her at the time so she just wanted someone to talk to, but Al’s cheating probably played a factor but based on my understanding, the Aunt and B only resumed their relationship when starting college, and the breakup and stuff technically occurred few months before college (within 2 months).
“And then, in that moment of fragility, her aunt told her about the married man looking for a young girl for sex?” No, the aunt told her about the married man when B and I started dating. So she was already in a healthy relationship when she learnt about the married man. And when the suggestion was made, she already told me that her aunt wanted her to do it and we had already discussed how wrong that was and it was obvious that I did not want her to do it and she had agreed. Like the situation was so bizarre that I just pushed it off labelling the aunt as just some crazy lady and nothing more. I had no idea that B would be stupid enough to go along with her aunt when it is so obvious that I did not want her to do it.
“It also shows that her aunts are not some good, caring women who instilled positive values in B” My logical explanation is that the aunt suffered in her life, cause her sister (B’s mom) was the reason she did not get to go to college and etc. So she basically used men to climb up the ladder. In a way, life was cruel to her and so she just adopted the belief that the only way to survive is to use men for an advantage, and she could not see any other way to survive and tried to install the same belief in B, but I was there to stop the foolishness but i guess my efforts were not good enough.
“(She had good influence from her family members during this time.) They are in fact immoral women who sought to prostitute their own niece for money.” No only Aunt 1 tried to do that. Everyone else, her father, aunt 2, etc all showed love to B, even her own mother did not continue to harm B. Only Aunt 1 had the twisted morals to ‘secure B’s future’ by helping her make money by giving her body to men. Aunt 1 was not even trying to take advantage of the money or anything. Her aim was to actually help B secure a future, but the method is one of the cruelest things I have ever seen. A 40 something year old woman who has 3 children, one of whom is a daughter almost the same age as B was able to do this? Clearly nobody has knocked some sense into her head.
“Since B agreed…it tells me that this wasn’t strange for her at all” THATS THE THING! SHE DID NOT AGREE UNTIL SHE WENT TO VISIT HER AUNT AND WE BROKE UP. Even when her aunt was sending her $500 per month, she believed that the money was coming from the aunt, not the man. She only found out that it was from the man when she went to visit the aunt. We both agreed that the aunt was crazy when she suggested that B get married to an old man and when she mentioned the man at the beginning but I thought B had made it clear that she did not want to do it. Maybe B did reject the offer but her aunt still continued with the plan, I don’t know.
This story is too detailed for B to have invented it, however she could be lying about certain details. B also told me that she was heart broken and in pain cause of the break up, saying she felt abandoned by me, which was why she was willing to go along with her aunt. But the stupid thing is that the very reason we broke up is because I told her about my parents’ belief that women these days will take advantage of men and cheat on them etc, which she found offensive. BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT SHE ENDED UP DOING. SHE LITERALLY PROVED MY PARENTS RIGHT. Like how does that even work? Shouldn’t she be trying to prove my parents wrong? Make me regret breaking up with her? I broke up with her because she misunderstood what I was trying to say. Based on all the stories my parents told me, I started to fear that they may be right. So I went and asked her if she had an ulterior motive to dating me, cause she once told me that she and her bestie back then were planning to look around the Med Faculty for the future husband, and it just so happened that I am studying med. So I asked her and she felt offended. But when I tried to clarify the misunderstanding, she refused to listen to me and pissed me off to the point I decided that it is better to not be in a relationship with a woman who is keen on misunderstanding everything I say and does not want to listen to the man who has been very good to her. And then she proved my parents right, and hid it from me.
The only proper reason for her impaired judgement at that time is that the break up hurt her enough to just be her aunt’s puppet without resistance. So with that said, should I put this into consideration and give her another chance?
Paradoxy
March 23, 2024 at 6:03 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428923ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Tee,
The ex is actually a housemate, as they are not sharing rooms but sharing the house. Besides, I have no choice but to forgive that they are living together because it is not their fault that they are college students who cannot afford to get their own place, but I cannot forgive the fact that she did not let me know who he actually was even though she made me aware of the existence of a male housemate. And regarding the sexual encounter, it is just a possibility as they were both half nude but I can never be certain. I can only wonder what could have happened. So should I give her the benefit of doubt?
“It appears to me that she cannot stay away from men’s advances and men’s attention. This could be a result of her being sexually abused and used for prostitution since her youth. In other words, it could be the result of trauma.” She was not sexually abused and used for prostitution since her youth. She was only put in that state once. She was physically abused by her mother, but other than that she had a normal life. Top of the class, most known romantic couple in high school, church choir girl, etc. Even in the case of her first boyfriend, she broke up with him because she could not afford to buy him a birthday present. That is the level of immaturity that I am dealing with. Her first boyfriend treated her very well: protecting her from her mother’s abuse, getting a phone for her to call him whenever necessary, etc. The neglect from her parents may have affected her, but she was already in the process of healing from those experiences. In fact, I am the only person who took on the role of helping her heal. Not her father, not her aunt, not her cousin or ex boyfriends. It was me. I showed her what it meant to be properly loved. I showed her what it feels like to be respected. Yet she rejected me and followed her stupid aunt.
Her aunt was not her primary caregiver. In fact their relationship was not even that strong. She only lived with her aunt for a year or two, and she did not even maintain contact with her for an entire year until she needed her again. So there is no evidence to show that she had no choice but to obey the aunt. She had a job, supported herself, saved money to go to college herself without asking for help from anyone etc. Even outside of that, she had support from me and her father, and we both truly cared for her. So there is no way that she could have been manipulated into obeying her aunt. She reads her bible, tries to follow the rules in the bible, knows that a wife belongs to her husband and the husband belongs to the wife yet she still managed to put herself in this situation. Like there is no logical explanation for her action and it’s driving me crazy.
“Sounds like she was taking good care of your physical needs” False, she tried her best with my emotional needs as well, I just didn’t think of listing them which is why I said etc. She tries to motivate me whenever the stress of medicine gets to me. She even supported my music development, computer engineering projects etc. She always tried to ensure that I was emotionally and mentally well generally, but it is just when it’s regarding other men and simple misunderstandings where the issue rises. I guess some people are just too stupid/blind regarding certain things. Though she tried her best, her best is not good enough. She refuses to listen to me, accept when she is wrong, shuts me down, always misunderstands things despite how many times I break down the information for her to process better. It is just amazing how such a woman can be the most wonderful wife and still be doing foolishness.
“She isn’t able to reject other men’s advances.” That is the funny part. She does reject other men’s advances. This woman is actually very beautiful and very sexually attractive to many men. I have seen first hand how so many men are attracted to her and she has rejected countless advances from men already. So she is actually capable of being faithful. She has people from modeling agencies, to popular music artists, to company ceos interested in her and she has rejected all of their advances. So I am just confused as to how this situation even happened. My only logical explanation is just plain stupidity.
“If she is blaming you for her behavior and telling you it’s not a big deal that she has secret liaisons with other men, and shutting you down when you want to talk about it… then she is far from accepting that she needs therapy” No she stopped making the excuse that it is not a big deal, but she continues to do things such as posting pictures of herself in very revealing bikini outfits (which is normal since a lot of women does it despite being told not to by their partner but I am not going to tolerate it). And she shuts me down when she is busy accusing me based on her misunderstanding of various situations and she just overthinks so much that she is not able to accept the correct understanding of certain things despite me trying to break down the facts to make it easier for her to understand. Eventually she understands but the amount of pressure I have to put to force her to listen is really high. I have to figuratively shut her mouth with tape to make her listen, that is the level the situation has become.
I am trying to step away from the relationship right now, but I still have lingering feelings for her. Besides that, I know that if I do not protect her, her stupid behind is going to get herself in trouble again and I do not wish to wake up tomorrow to learn that she was raped and murdered. And I also have to think about what she may have felt when she was doing all of these things. Technically, we were broken up when she decided to sleep with other man. So does that technicality give grounds for forgiving her? Should I put into consideration the fact that maybe the break up was so painful for her that she needed some form of sexual release to cope with the pain? We have agreed to try some couple’s counseling but I do not think that will work. I appreciate your advice though.
Paradoxy
March 23, 2024 at 5:13 am in reply to: Should a “Cheating” Girlfriend be forgiven over a technicality? #428922ParadoxMusicParticipantDear Anita,
I believe you may have misunderstood certain things about the matter.
I said “Knowing how humans are” because I have been studying psychology especially regarding relationships for the past three years as part of my medical degree, and all evidences and shared experiences from others indicate that most of them who valued Christian morals only gave in to the idea of sex due to their innocent belief that their current partner would be their last. But you are right, I believed that too, and now here I am.
You have misunderstood B’s history. Most of her life was under her own parents, mainly her mother and she only spent one or two years with her aunt, and that too at the age where she is past the point of childish innocence. Her mother abused her due to being the only one who looked like her father, who had left the toxic relationship cause of how horrible the mother was. Despite coming back for her multiple times, the father was unable to get her to come live with him. Despite this, B did not grow up in a lifestyle where taking advantage of men is looked up on. Her father is a chemistry professor and has made sure to install good values in her during the times that she stayed with him. As she became a teenager(like around 15-17), she had to decide to stay with her aunt or her father, for which she chose her aunt. In the time that she spent with her aunt, she was not groomed to be used as a sex worker. The only behavior that her aunt revealed is her own decision to marry men to gain citizenship, wealth etc. Other than that, she was treated very well in the family, after which she came back to living with her father in 2020, studied law for a year or two, and she was an excellent chemistry student at her college. After an altercation with her father, she started working in a company and she maintained her relationship with her aunt. That is when she started dating Al who introduced her to all the sexual things. She had good influence from her family members during this time. Even to the point where one of her aunts (Aunt 2) wanted her to become a nun. So clearly the only problem then was her immaturity. She was already out of her abusive home, continued her education and everything was normal except for the relationship. Al told her that he was leaving her cause of her restrictions, to which she decided to let go of the restrictions and started having sex with him, staying at his home during week days and living at her Aunt 2’s place on the weekends. Then Aunt 1 (the problematic one) found out about her relationship and took it upon herself to be a good mother and talked to the man and realized that Al is a irresponsible man who did not want to take on B’s responsibilities. She told B to leave Al because she knew Al was not a good man but B, on her own accord, rejected her aunt and decided to stay with him. After which, she stopped talking to aunt 1 for a year.
She had saved up money to start studying at the college where we met, and saved up enough money to rent her own place too, and he was planning to move closer too. But then Al confessed to cheating on her. Then they broke up, after which, she met T. T was a nice guy at first but she believes that he only liked her because he thought she had money. But to her, T was just a rebound for her ex, because “it felt good to have someone to talk to after having your heart broken” (literally quoting her). She confessed that she still had feelings for her ex, and obviously T was hurt. Then T had to leave for some training, at which time, Al returned for a second chance. And still having feelings for him, B decided to give him a second chance. Obviously T was hurt, but Al left her anyway because she was emotionally fighting between wanting both men. So T and B got back together, but that was short lived because T was hiding another woman who he was sleeping with. Then she met me.
Her aunt and she started talking when she started college again. That was almost the same time that we met. She was desperate to talk to her and she missed her. She told her that there was a man who was looking for a young girl for sex. But the aunt told her that she gave her sister’s number to the man instead. But she already had a child so the man wanted B instead. B did not question anything. Aunt 2 started sending the money, which B told me and I warned her that this was not normal. Her job was becoming more of a pain because her manager wanted to sleep with her too. But due to the new source of income, she did not give in. And in December she went to the aunt, slept with the man, returned and got fired from her job.
“But she has had this aunt/ family in her life who instilled some other assumptions, such as using sex as a tool, disrespecting one own’s body, that it’s okay for an aunt to prostitute her niece.” Basically, I told you her history to show that her aunt did not get enough time to install the assumption that sex should be used as a tool, and about disrespecting her own body nor that its okay for her aunt to prostitute her niece. In fact her own aunt had been the one protecting her from being taken advantage of by men, but that effect was still not strong enough for her to grow an attachment to her aunt in that manner.
“Statistically, young people are more impulsive” Yes you are right. That is exactly what happened here. Her own immaturity caused her to be in this position.
“There is no reason for me to believe it was the only incident of prostitution that took place” Based on the history she has told me, there was no room for more actual prostitution to have occurred, so we have to assume that this was the first time she was put in that state, other than being used for sex by Al.
“She needs psychological- emotional help” Yes, I already considered this and it is obvious that she was suffering from the trauma. But now that trauma is also mine. How can I help to heal her when her own actions created my own trauma? How can I help remove the splinter in her eye when I have a log in my own, which she technically put? But despite that, I put aside my own suffering, and tried to help her as much as I could. For the last 3 months, I shut down my own pain and loved her as much as I could, but the severity of the issue was eating me from the inside. I have already seen both sides of the situation. I have seen the bigger picture, but that is not going to change the fact that this all happened cause of her own poor decision making. If she had just trusted me, her aunt would not have had the opportunity to take advantage of her.
B is not the type of person to let her own suffering lead her away from the right path. She was abused by her mother, so she knows pain and for that exact reason, she vowed to become a better woman than her mother. Her mental health issues are actually the lack of maturity, and not having people to guide her properly.
“A man who paid money to her aunt so to have sex with her niece… where is the respect there? Did the aunt respect B when she arranged for that transaction? Did the sexual predator… did he respect B? How about love, where was the love? You expect respect and love from a woman who was shown the opposite of love and respect” Do not misunderstand, I have already considered her situation in this matter. It is true that her aunt nor the man respected her. But what did I do to deserve this? I had been the only one guiding her, helping her with her decision making, loving her properly, supporting her in building a good future, always remaining by her side despite the issues she faced, respecting her, teaching her the value of her own body. I had been the one doing all of this. So why did I deserve to be betrayed in this manner when all I have been doing was to help her heal from all her past relationships and abuse? You think I did not recognize her pain? Do you really think that I am so narrow minded that I would only think of my pain and not hers?
“How about love, where was the love? You expect respect and love from a young woman who was shown the opposite of love and respect” Yes she did not receive respect and love from her family, but I gave that to her. I gave her real love. I gave her real respect. Was my love and respect not good enough for her to give love and respect to me? I offered to continue to be her friend, but now she is asking for couples counseling to deal with the matter, which I have decided to go along with, and she has made it clear that she wants to continue having sex, which I have already rejected. I have already sworn that I would not continue until after marriage.
“Her future life partner is not yet known, and there may not be one. She doesn’t yet have a life partner, but she’s had a aunt in her life for two decades.” False. Though we are a young ‘immature’ couple, we had already started making plans to ensure that we would get married and we would be the life partner for each other. Unfortunately this happened before the plan could be finalized. And she only had a connection with her aunt for 3-4 years, and even then, the influence was far too weak because she did not live with her aunt for long nor maintained communication long enough for the aunt to influence her drastically.
“Your anger is directed at the women.. not at the men?” Again False, my anger is directed to the persons who caused this entire situation: B, Aunt 2, and the man. My first instinctive response was to go after the man, which B discouraged, but then I redirected my anger to the aunt, who should be held accountable for being the main cause of the situation. I even went as far as tracking down her aunt, her job, her children (especially her daughter) before I changed my mind cause of how pointless it is. The aunt’s children does not need to suffer for the things the aunt did. But even then it would be pointless as no amount of pain or suffering would knock sense into a woman like that. But despite that, I cannot ignore B’s part in all of this. She chose to hide and lie about the matter. She chose to make all the wrong decisions. She had all the opportunities to get herself out of the situation, which she told me she was well aware of, yet she still chose to go along with it. That is not something I can forgive and forget.
You are right about some men being sexual predators, but I was specifically referring to the matter at hand in my example.
Please tell me why you disagree with B being the bad one and I being the good one? Because you think I do not see the bigger picture? Because you think I do not see her suffering? Was I not understanding enough? I am not trying to paint B as a bad woman, as I keep reminding you that she is actually a good wife over all but that does not change how foolish she was in putting herself in that situation INTENTIONALLY, when I was constantly trying to pull her back from falling into these traps? Am I not in the right when she was the one who rejected my advice? I may have flaws but am I not in the right regarding this specific matter? I am the one who removed sex from the equation after understanding the severity of the issue. I am the one who had been trying to help her heal while my own scars were fresh and open to infection. I only got to this state because that wound has become severely inflamed.
“You want her to change.. but can you change yourself: to endure your pain and anger, and commit to be part of the solution, not part of the problem, that is, to commit yourself to love, not to hate?” DO YOU NOT GET IT? I AM THE ONE WHO IS STILL IN LOVE WITH HER DESPITE EVERYTHING THAT SHE HAS DONE. I AM HERE RANTING ALL THIS BECAUSE I AM SEARCHING FOR AN EXCUSE, A LOGICAL REASON MY MIND CAN ACCEPT, TO FORGIVE HER AND TAKE HER BACK. I AM THE ONE WHO TRIED CHANGING FOR HER. I AM THE ONE WHO ENDURED THE PAIN AND ANGER UNTIL IT BECAME UNBEARABLE. I AM THE ONE WHO WAS COMMITTED TO HELPING HER HEAL BEFORE MY OWN PAIN AND SUFFERING BECAME TOO MUCH TO HANDLE EVEN FOR ME. I ONLY LEFT HER AFTER SHE REPEATED THE SAME STUPID BEHAVIOR AGAIN. SHE ENTERTAINED ANOTHER MAN, FULLY AWARE THAT I HATED IT. A RELATIONSHIP WOULD NOT LAST IF ONLY ONE PERSON IS WILLING TO CHANGE. I WAS WILLING TO CHANGE FROM THE VERY START. I WAS WILLING TO TOLERATE THIS BEHAVIOR FROM THE VERY START BEFORE I REALIZED THAT TOLERATING IT IS NOT GOOD AT ALL.
Its stupid because she slept with the man after we broke up cause of my parents’ belief that she would sleep with another man. We literally broke up cause of the fear of her cheating and that is exactly what she did after we broke up.
“You see yourself as a very loyal, caring man to her, but you are also a very angry man, angry at her. You shouldn’t try and be in a loving, romantic and sexual relationship with a woman you hate.” Yes I am angry. I can be a very loyal, caring man while also being angry, because my anger is justified. I do not hate her. I hate the things she did. I hate her stupidity. I hate being taken advantage of. I hate that my loyalty and care is rewarded with pain. I hate the feeling of helplessness. I hate knowing that all of this could have been prevented if she had just told me the truth. I hate knowing that this could have been avoided if she had taken the many opportunities she had to not sleep with that man. What I feel is disgust. Disgust knowing that the person in front of me willingly put herself in the situation to be used by that man. She was already aware of what was going to happen DAYS BEFORE it happened. She had time to prepare. Time to think. Time to decide. Yet she still chose wrong.
Like I said, talking to you has organized my thoughts and I am trying to ensure this break up is permanent and I am still offering to be her friend, but she wants me to go to counseling with her and give her another chance.
Paradoxy
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